Russian Assault Rifles/Carbines/Machine Guns Thread: #1

Austin wrote:They simply cant add balance recoil mechanish midway to AK-12 design they will have to change the design.

Here is what Khathi told me at mp.net about AEK-971 advantage over AK-12 
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/printthread.php?t=197506&pp=40&page=201

The main one is that AEK manages to keep the high-energy action of the AK family (which is largely responsible for its legendary reliability) while doing away the infamous AK kick due to its balanced action. This alone improves the rifle's accuracy almost twofold. AK-12, which doesn't have the balanced action, was, reportedly, approaching the accuracy task by reducing the moving parts energy, which indeed improved accuracy, but greatly reduced the dirt resistance — note that it's only the rumor. Then there are scores of ergonomics and usability improvements — basically, take everything what was hyped about AK-12, and add it to ZiD's design, but it's quite obviously more systematic and thought through, compared to the AK-12's rather haphazard appearance. And their new plastic lower finally features the more or less functional magwell — which AK-12 still lacks.

I think its easy for AEK-971S to get AK-12 like feature but for AK-12 to get other way round would mean redesign

I think its easy for AEK-971S to get AK-12 like feature but for AK-12 to get other way round would mean redesign

GarryB wrote:Wouldn't changing both designs require a redesign?

Kalashnikov has already developed the balanced recoil AK-108 and AK-107... how hard would it be to simply apply the AK12 changes made to the AK-74M to the AK-107?

I would expect not very hard at all.

We have all seen footage of the AK12 being fired and recoil really does not seem excessive.

Personally I would like to see the AK12 and the ADS enter service as standard weapons in the Russian Military. The AEK could be used by MVD and police units and perhaps some special forces units.

GarryB wrote:
I totally agree, though I suspect the AK12SN might become a standard military weapon with the ADS used by VDV and naval infantry, while paramilitary forces might get different weapons like these new bullpups that have been revealed...



In terms of Army weapons the AK12SN will likely include Vintorez type weapons and PKP and RPK-74 and AK-74 and AKS-74U and Vityaz-SN type weapons.

There is report of a new Ratnik armor... a second generation one.. whats is different now?
Are there pictures of Ratnik2?

GarryB wrote:AD-1 and AD-2, they are bullpups in 5.45 and 7.62 x 39mm calibre for the MVD and FSB etc made by Kalashnikov.

Regular wrote:Those AC-1 AC-2 bullpups are quite big, they could be more modular, multipeace and with adjustable length of the barrel and etc. Still looks like finished product and probably great at the range. IMHO best bullpup in the service is Tavor 2 (X-95)


Easy conversion to shoot 9mm, Russian 5.45 and Nato 7.62 is amazing thing. I think Russian SF would love to have this (I wouldn't be surprised if they actually have them ordered in small amounts for tests or whatnot)

 I would unlock massive possibilities for infantry equipment(imagine exoskeleton equipped troops armed with 14,5 mm assault rifles

It's a fact that the less elite a soldier is, the better(ergonomic, accurate) equipment he needs.

GarryB wrote:

It's a fact that the less elite a soldier is, the better(ergonomic, accurate) equipment he needs.

Understand what you are saying, but you can give some guy that has lived in a big city all his life a sniper rifle and all the kit he needs to be a sniper and he will likely be a very dangerous person, but he certainly wont be a sniper.

regarding 14.5mm assault rifles and exoskeletons... 30mm 2A42 in a fully stabilised mount... it is called a BMP-2 and it entered service 20 years ago...