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    Post  GarryB Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:05 pm

    You do bring up a good point about accuracy. Accuracy is largely subjective. We could agree that a rifle that is less accurate on the range is even less accurate in combat.

    Well lets be clear... we are talking consistency, not accuracy.

    Consistency means tight little groups, or shots with the least variation.

    The difference between firing on a range and in real combat are a range of different factors that can all increase that group size, but there is no guarantee that that these factors will effect both weapons the same, or to the same extent.

    In fact I would argue that going out to the field and being issued with standard ammo, without the use of high powered scopes and without accurate target range information that it would be the most accurate rifle that would suffer the most and a less accurate rifle would suffer less.

    The autosear DOES also serve as a device that prevents out of battery firing. Full sized AK's made today still have the hammer retarder I believe.

    My Apologies, I miss identified the auto sear as the auxiliary sear... the main and auxiliary sears are both on the trigger, while the auto sear are extra components that prevent the hammer moving till the bolt carrier has stopped in its forward position.

    The Chinese models of AK have a modified Bolt carrier design that prevents the hammer from hitting the firing pin until the bolt carrier is fully forward.

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    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:34 pm



    English version of the video posted by TheArmenian.
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    Post  SWAT Pointman Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:55 am

    I'm not aware that the Chinese AK's have a different bolt carrier design from a Russian AK-47. I only have experience with semi automatic only Chinese AK's though. The stamped receiver type 56 is quite different from the Russian AKM. The Chinese didn't get the licensing and tooling to make AKM's.

    Your arguments about accuracy are convincing, but another thing I'd like to bring up is that part of the reason why the Chinese replaced the type 56 with the type 81 was because they weren't satisfied with the accuracy of the AK in semi auto mode. http://www.redstararms.com/uploads/type81.pdf And mind you I'm only talking about the AKM and AK-47 with the ammmo they had availiable at the time. With newer 7.62x39 chambered AK's like the AK-103, and improvements in ammo technology, the accuracy argument doesn't hold as much water. Not to mention we have red dots and magnified optics that improve hit probability.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Oct 27, 2012 6:12 pm

    Your arguments about accuracy are convincing, but another thing I'd like to bring up is that part of the reason why the Chinese replaced the type 56 with the type 81 was because they weren't satisfied with the accuracy of the AK in semi auto mode. http://www.redstararms.com/uploads/type81.pdf And mind you I'm only talking about the AKM and AK-47 with the ammmo they had availiable at the time. With newer 7.62x39 chambered AK's like the AK-103, and improvements in ammo technology, the accuracy argument doesn't hold as much water. Not to mention we have red dots and magnified optics that improve hit probability.

    In the Mid 1970s the Soviets decided that a lower recoil flatter shooting calibre would make hitting targets easier for their soldiers at longer ranges and also allow more ammo to be carried by weight.

    The 7.62 x 39mm is not an inherently inaccurate round... it is the basis for the .220 Russian and the 6mm PPC... the latter cartridge is considered the most accurate round in benchrest shooting out to 300m in the world.
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    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:07 pm

    From TvZvezda

    Nova System army recruitment contract was the main topic of the meeting of the Committee for Defense and Security Council of the Federation. On the basic principles of this work senators said the State Secretary, Deputy Minister of Defense Nikolay Pankov. Leadership decided to increase the number of military personnel on contract as enlisted men. It is planned that by 2017, in the Armed Forces will be 425,000 contractors.

    (Google Translate)

    See the video here: http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201210301923-kp61.htm
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    Post  SWAT Pointman Thu Nov 01, 2012 3:06 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Your arguments about accuracy are convincing, but another thing I'd like to bring up is that part of the reason why the Chinese replaced the type 56 with the type 81 was because they weren't satisfied with the accuracy of the AK in semi auto mode. http://www.redstararms.com/uploads/type81.pdf And mind you I'm only talking about the AKM and AK-47 with the ammmo they had availiable at the time. With newer 7.62x39 chambered AK's like the AK-103, and improvements in ammo technology, the accuracy argument doesn't hold as much water. Not to mention we have red dots and magnified optics that improve hit probability.

    In the Mid 1970s the Soviets decided that a lower recoil flatter shooting calibre would make hitting targets easier for their soldiers at longer ranges and also allow more ammo to be carried by weight.

    The 7.62 x 39mm is not an inherently inaccurate round... it is the basis for the .220 Russian and the 6mm PPC... the latter cartridge is considered the most accurate round in benchrest shooting out to 300m in the world.
    That is a very good point about the 6mm PPC and .220 Russian. It makes you wonder why the Russians didn't just go with a 6mmPPC instead of the 5.45x39. The disadvantages of going to 6mm would been very small, and outweighed by the advantages.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:31 am

    The Soviets weren't after a bench rest shooting cartridge, they wanted an assault rifle cartridge.

    You could as easily have asked why did the US bother developing the .223 (5.56mm) when the very similar, and in some ways better 222 was already available.

    Even if the Soviets had adopted the 6mm PPC in service it would not have been some sort of short range sniper round, because mass production of the bullets and of course mass production of the rifles and indeed the amount of time for training in small arms would mean range performance would not match match performance and field performance would be even worse.
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    Post  Cyberspec Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:51 pm

    From Twowers blog...

    http://twower.livejournal.com/907110.html

    The Russian MOD is buying the AZART P1 radios of the so called 6th generation. 1950 sets with 23 000 hand sets have to be delivered by July 2013


    Here's what it looks like



    Specs:


    Radio station "Azart-P1" provides the following modes:

    - Speech transmission in analog form (FM) and in digitized (TETRA, FH) in simplex mode negotiation;
    - Speech transmission in duplex mode negotiation (with infrastructure TETRA);
    - Data transfer speeds up to 7.2 kbit / s;
    - Pseudo-random frequency agility at 20,000 jumps per second;
    - Determination of the coordinates from space navigation systems (KRNS) GLONASS / GPS positioning accuracy with no worse than 25 m in latitude and longitude and 40 meters in height (using only C / A - code);
    - A scanning technique to predefined frequency (FM);
    - Standby reception;
    - Standby Reception with economizer;
    - Relay with time-division multiplexing (TETRA);
    - Send text messages (TETRA);
    - Signal-code communications;
    - Automated radio data input on the wired and wireless channel.

    - Temperature range from minus 30 to plus 55 degrees C;
    - A range of extreme temperatures from minus 50 to plus 55 degrees C;
    - The requirements for stability when exposed to shock, ionizing radiation, and electromagnetic pulse of a nuclear explosion of light, acoustics, molds, salt (sea) fog, special media (a component of rocket fuel) are not made.

    Continuous operation of the product from one battery should be: at least 6 hours for the BA PAKD.563511.001 and at least 12 hours for the BA-12 at a ratio PAKD.563511.005 while transmitting / receiving / standby reception as 1:1:9.

    Operating frequency range products in the range of 27 MW should ... 220 MHz, DMV1 range 220 ... 520 MHz in net operating frequencies:
    - 1, 6.25, 8.33, 12.5, 25 kHz in VHF band;
    - 25, 250, 500, 1000 kHz range DMV1

    The product shall provide the following operations with radio data and settings:
    - Automated entry via wireless Bluetooth and infrared channel;
    - Automated input on the wired channel;
    - Manual input from the front panel;
    - Automated performance monitoring;
    - Enter through the communication channel;
    - Emergency erasure.

    PAKD.464113.006 transceiver products should have joints to settings (configuration) RS-485, USB2.0.

    Range of communication products when working in FF with the same type of radio stations and a maximum output power of the transceiver must be at least 4 km and provided 99% of the time of day, at any time of the year and 90% of the territory, at frequencies free from interference in the parking lot and moving on sredneperesechennoy areas.

    The product shall provide the following type of service:
    - Speech transmission in duplex mode negotiation between two subscribers (an infrastructure TETRA);
    - File sharing mode TETRA;
    - Speech transmission in simplex mode negotiation between several subscribers simultaneously (circular communication);
    - Speech transmission in simplex mode negotiation between two subscribers;
    - The exchange of navigational information in the mode TETRA;
    - Send text messages in real-time mode TETRA;
    - Signal-code communication mode TETRA;

    The product shall provide for the restructuring of program given by pseudo-law of frequency channels (jumps in frequency), with a maximum speed of not less than 20,000 jumps per second.

    The product shall provide a counter work areas coinciding with the radio frequency range of R-163, R-168, R-169, and "Duet" mode FCHS.

    Radio input device via USB must provide read and write data, the maximum amount of information stored 512MB.

    Transceiver dimensions PAKD.464113.006 no more (195 × 70 × 40) mm.


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    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:15 am

    New Equipment for Russian Intelligence Troops

    http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201211021841-yxzw.htm

    After a few days in Russia will celebrate the Day of the military intelligence. It is these soldiers first extract valuable information. On their skills often determine the success of the entire operation. Plays a huge role and equipment. Scouts XXI century - the men of high technology. They use the latest cameras, mobile tablets, modern headset communication.

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    That's the camouflage they're wearing, for anybody who was wondering. It seems to be a subdued version of the standard digital pattern.

    Edit: Here's an embeddable version of the video, courtesy of Raden5 from MP.Net

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    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 Sat Nov 03, 2012 5:07 pm

    ‘Future Soldier’ to watch over Russia and France

    Russia is set to purchase French advanced "future soldier" equipment FELIN, which provides infantrymen with improved close-combat capability and includes body armor, bullet proof vest, ballistic helmet and other hi-tech devices.

    The sides have already reached an agreement on the matter, Russia’s Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov said on Thursday.

    For a start, Russia plans to buy a pilot batch of “soldier of the future” sets to test the system and “feel it,” the defense chief noted, as cited by RIA Novosti.

    Read the rest here: http://rt.com/politics/future-soldier-felin-military-754/


    Didn't Russia already purchase some FELIN systems a while back?
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    Post  GarryB Sat Nov 03, 2012 7:47 pm

    Didn't Russia already purchase some FELIN systems a while back?

    From the articles I had read I assumed they have tested them... though this suggests they didn't get to keep them.
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    Post  medo Sun Nov 04, 2012 8:09 pm

    in the last time Russia test quite a lot of western equipment.
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    Post  medo Sun Nov 04, 2012 8:14 pm

    Excellent news. Infantry and scouts will get modern communications.
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    Post  Austin Sun Nov 04, 2012 9:08 pm

    Moscow Defense Brief

    Russian Defense Procurement Contracts in August-September 2012

    Mikhail Lukin, Kommersant Publishing House

    On August 2 the government released information about the execution of a contract for the delivery of 3,827 PB-4SP tubeless pistols for the Ministry of Interior. The value of the contract is 44,700,584.64 roubles (unit cost 11,680.32 roubles), for delivery by November 2012. The sole bidder in an auction held on April 16 was OAO Federal Research and Production Center “Science and Research Institute of Applied Chemistry” (Sergiyev Posad, Moscow Region). The contract was announced on March 6, 2012. The PB-4SP pistol is a modification of Osa, a self-defense weapon approved for use by civilians. It uses more powerful non-lethal ammunition.

    On August 8 the government released information about a contract to manufacture and supply eight Gonets-M spacecraft in 2012-2015. The value of the contract is 1,726,518,800 roubles (unit cost 215.8m roubles). The contract was awarded to OAO Academician Reshetnikov Information Satellite Systems. Information about the order was initially released in July 20.

    A month later, on August 23, the government announced the failure of an open competition (which was announced on June 1) for a contract to develop a multirole system of personal satellite communications and data transmission from low-orbit spacecraft (the Gonets-M R&D project). The sole bidder was OAO Academician Reshetnikov Information Satellite Systems. The contract includes the development of the Gonets-D1M system, with 12 orbiting satellites built using a modified Gonets-D1 satellite platform. The system will have the capacity to serve up to 10,000 users and have a throughput of at least 100 Mbit per 24 hours. The starting price of the contract is 2,857m roubles.

    On August 17 - September 14 the government released information about 11 contracts for the disposal of RSM-50, RSM-52, RSM-54 and 3M-91 SLBMs and missile components, worth a total of 227,612,970 roubles. The government then announced the failure of all the auctions for these contracts; orders were placed with the solder bidders, in most cases at the starting price.

    Two contracts, worth 101,548,700 roubles, were awarded to OAO Krasnoyarsk Machinery Plant:

    Transportation by railway, removal of rocket fuel components, neutralization, disassembly and disposal of RSM-50 SLBMs (three missiles). The value of the contract is 30,421,800 roubles.

    Transportation by railway, removal of rocket fuel components, neutralization, disassembly and disposal of RSM-50 SLBMs (six missiles). The value of the contract is 71,126,900 roubles.

    Five contracts, worth 53,830,400 roubles, were awarded to ZAO South Urals Specialized Disposal Center:

    Transportation and disposal of 5 sets of 3B-66 blocks of dismantled SLBMs, worth 2,153,500 roubles.

    Disassembly and disposal of elements of RSM-50, RSM-52 and RSM-54 SLBMs (28 units), worth 2.2m roubles

    Processing and burial of 10 sets of nozzle clusters of the main engines of RSM-52 SLBM, worth 11,505,700 roubles.

    Transportation, disassembly, processing and disposal of RSM-52DMV SLBM mock-ups (2 units), worth 18.5m roubles.

    Transportation, disassembly and disposal of RSM-52DMV SLBM mock-ups and TPA-1 transports (4 units), worth 19,471,200 roubles.

    Two contracts worth 58,818,200 roubles were awarded to OAO Zlatoustovskiy Machinery Plant:

    Neutralization, disassembly and disposal of special-purpose engines, core engines, control systems and other elements of 3M94 SLBMs (30 units), worth 13,710,000 roubles.

    Disassembly and disposal of components and elements of 3M-65 and 3M-91 SLBMs, worth 45,108,200 roubles

    Two contracts, worth 13,415,670 roubles, were awarded to OOO Iskra Research and Production Company:

    Neutralization, disassembly and disposal of special-purpose engines, core engines, control systems and other elements of 3M94 SLBMs (364 units), worth 3,497,180 roubles.

    Neutralization, disassembly and disposal of special-purpose engines, core engines, control systems and other elements of 3M94 SLBMs (749 units), worth 9,918,490 roubles.

    On August 22 the government released information about a contract for an R&D project entitled “Systemic analysis of Russia’s maritime activities and development of drafts of the Russian Maritime Doctrine for the period until 2030, as well as a draft piece of legislation on state regulation of Russia’s maritime activities” (Code name Mariner 2030). The contract, worth 82,8m roubles, was awarded to OAO State Science and Research Institute of Navigation and Hydrography (St Petersburg), which was the sole bidder. The delivery deadline is December 2013.

    The contract was initially announced on June 19, 2012.

    On August 28 the government announced the failure, due to the absence of any bids, of an open electronic auction for a state contract for maintenance and extension of service life of 80 sets of USET-80 and UMGT-1 torpedoes, and MG-44 and MG-74 sonar countermeasure devices currently in service with the Pacific Fleet.

    The starting (maximum) price of the contract was set at 40m roubles (500,000 roubles per unit). The contractor was expected to establish the actual state of repair of the torpedoes, identify any defects, conduct repairs (routine and medium-depth), re-certify the torpedoes and obtain all the necessary documents for the extension of their service life. The contract was announced on August 3.

    On August 30 the government withdrew its previous announcement of a contract for the delivery to the MoD of a mobile versatile 150-bed hospital. The initial price of the contract was 1,303,700,000 roubles. The auction was scheduled for 24 September. The original announcement was made on July 13.

    The hospital was to include a reception and triage block, an outpatient block, a diagnostic block, a surgery and intensive care unit, a general-hospital unit, an infectious diseases unit, a medical supplies block, an administrative block and an auxiliary block, all housed in 70 tents and 106 special containers transported by 25 cars and trucks of different types.

    The auction was cancelled after the Rosoboronpostavka defense procurement agency said the terms of the auction were unfair and broke the law. More specifically, the agency said that “the party which invited bids for the contract spelled out in great detail the precise technical specifications of some of the components and equipment to be supplied; these specifications could only be met by a single supplier, which restricts the right of the other bidders to take part in the auction”.

    On August 31 and September 17 the government released information about contracts for the delivery in 2012-2014 of ground control, maintenance and testing equipment for the Yak-130 and Su-34 aircraft. Both contracts were announced by the MoD in July 2012. Both auctions failed because there was only a single bid for each of the two contracts. The government then awarded the contracts at the starting price to the sole bidders:

    A contract worth 290,557,501.44 roubles for ground maintenance equipment (116 items in total) for the Yak-130 aircraft, to be delivered to the 209th Training Air Base (Borisoglebsk, Voronezh Region), was awarded to OAO Irkut Corporation.

    A contract worth 688,658,900 roubles for ground control equipment, maintenance equipment and testing instruments (387 items in total) for the Su-34 aircraft, to be delivered to the 7000th Guard 1st Rank Air Base (Voronezh), was awarded to OAO Chkalov Novosibirsk Aircraft Production Company.

    On September 5 the government released information about a contract to dismantle and dispose of the equipment and components of the SRLS-62 Dunay-3U fixed-position radar (Chekhov, Moscow Region), to be completed in 2012-2013. The radar, which has been out of service since 1998, used to be part of the A-35 missile defense system, which protects Moscow. The auction was announced on July 9. The contract was awarded to the sole bidder, OAO Almaz-Antey Air Defense Concern. The value of the contract equals the starting price of 118,794,200 roubles.

    On September 6 the government completed the signing of the contract for the transportation, disassembly and disposal of components of ICBMs, to the number of 36, which were left unused after the completion of the Amur-P R&D project (5Zh60P complex of the A-135 missile defense system).

    The contract, announced on July 24 and worth 4,709,400 dollars, was awarded at the starting price to OAO Mashinostroitel Perm Plant. The delivery deadlines are in October-November 2012. The missiles to be disposed of are in storage at the Polet Production Company, a branch of FGUP Khrunichev GKNPTs (Omsk).

    On September 10 the government released information about a contract to disassemble and dispose of 846 special components of ground-based missile systems. The contract has been awarded at the starting price of 38,698,100 roubles to ZAO South Urals Specialized Disposal Center (town of Miass). The contract is part of the Federal Program “Industrial Disposal of Weapons and Military Hardware in 2011-2015 and in the Period Until 2020”. Information about the contract was announced on July 17.

    The missile system components to be disposed of are currently in storage at the 29th Arsenal of the Strategic Missile Troops (village of Balezino, Udmurtia). They include:

    45 communications vehicles of various types.

    33 command vehicles of various types.

    5 mobile missile battalion command stations.

    43 combat duty support vehicles of various types.

    720 ground-based mobile launchers.

    On September 10 the government announced information about a contract to dispose of ground-based missile system components to the number of 7,512, including 7,367 to be disposed of in 2012, and another 145 in 2013. Bids for the contract were invited on July 17, 2012. The contract was awarded at the starting price of 39,879,300 roubles to the sole bidder of the failed auction, ZAO South Urals Specialized Disposal Center.

    The disposal works are to be conducted at the 2565th Central Hardware Storage Base of the Strategic Missile Troops (village of Novodugino, Smolensk Region), at OAO PO Barrikady company (Volgograd), and at the 28th Guard Red Banner Missile Division (Kozelsk, Kaluga Region).

    On September 11 the government declared the failure, owing to the absence of any bids, of an auction for a state contract to train technicians and instructors in the operation and maintenance of the IVECO 65E19WM (LMW) armored vehicles. The contract, worth 1,646,034 roubles, required the training of four MoD officers for a total of 160 academic hours (including 40 hours of theory and 16 hours of driving practice). Training was to be conducted at the IVECO plant in Bolzano (Italy). The contract was announced on August 28.

    On September 11 the government released information about the execution of a contract for the delivery of S-8KOM (9-A-4421) unguided airborne HEDP rockets to the Interior Ministry.

    The contract, worth 105,730,200 roubles, has been awarded to OAO Plastics Plant (city of Kopeysk, Chelyabinsk Region). Under the terms of the contract, which was announced on March 28, the company will supply 2,484 rockets at the unit price of 42,300 roubles.

    On September 13 the government released information about changes to the terms of four contracts for the delivery of sniper rifles to the Interior Ministry. The auctions were initially announced on June 5-7, 2012. The Interior Ministry has agreed to buy 313 rifles from OAO NPO Izhmash for a total of 29,851,562.13 roubles, including:

    13 SV-99 rifles worth 1,938,623.83 roubles (unit price 149,124.91 roubles).

    23 SV-98 rifles worth 10,378.589 roubles (unit price 451,243 roubles).

    277 SVD rifles (including 30 folding-stock units) worth 17,534,349.3 roubles (unit price 63,300.9 roubles).

    On September 13 the government announced an open auction for a contract to deliver to the MoD some 4,946,058 flasks of individual prophylactic hygiene products in 2012. The purpose of the product is “to ensure personal hygiene of hands by servicemen before handling food or after visiting toilet, as well as individual prevention of pyodermatosis”.

    The starting (maximum) price of the contract has been set at 329,890,448.8 roubles (83.6 roubles per flask). The auction has been scheduled for October 22.

    On September 14 the government released information about a contract for the delivery to the Russian FSB security service of Gorizont Air S-100 ship-based helicopter-type unmanned aerial vehicles (a Russian-assembled version of the Camcopter S-100, made by Austria’s Schiebel).

    The contract was announced on August 6. Following an auction held on August 31, it was awarded to the sole bidder, OAO Gorizont (Rostov-on-Don), at the starting price of 156,503,750.57 roubles.

    According to the terms of the auction, the UAV system is designed for daytime and night-time reconnaissance in good and adverse weather conditions; video monitoring; territory and water surface monitoring; detection and identification of objects in a pre-determined area or along the flight path; fixing the coordinates of these objects; determining the direction and movement parameters of targets; and transmission of video and thermal imaging information in real time to a ground control station and/or to a central automated control system. The UAVs must also be capable of carrying additional “Russian-made payload”.

    The hardware to be delivered to the customer includes two UAVs, a sealed storage container, control, power supply and communication blocks, various consumables, and tanks for fuel storage and sedimentation. The whole UAV complex requires a crew of six to operate and maintain.

    On September 14 the government released information about open bidding for a contract to deliver PD-441-01 special data transmission systems to the MoD. The starting price of the contract has been set at 91,143,768.76 roubles. It includes the delivery of 262 PD-441-01 units, which support data transmission at the rate of up to 9,600 bit/sec. The unit price has been set at 347,877 roubles.

    The outcome of the bidding is to be announced on October 12, 2012.

    On September 19 the government released information about open bidding for a contract to conduct flight tests and provide ground control services for the Resurs-P No 1 spacecraft using MoD facilities (Resurs-P (LI) project). The contract is part of an R&D project to develop an optical-electronic geo-surveying spacecraft and a space system based on that spacecraft.

    Under the terms of the contract, ground control services for the Resurs-P satellite during its flight tests are to be provided for a 90-day period. The starting (maximum) price of the contract was set at 56,250,000 roubles. The outcome of the bidding is to be announced on November 1, 2012.

    On September 24 the government released minutes from a meeting to determine the outcome of open bidding for a contract to improve the database which contains information about the soldiers who died or went missing during World War II and during the post-war period (OBD Memorial project). The contractor will be asked to process archive documents (including their scanning and optical character recognition), and enter the resulting information into the Memorial database, including personal data and electronic copies of reports documenting the losses during World War II and the post-war period. There are a total of 1,379,909 paper records to be processed. All the new information will need to be merged with the data that was entered into the Memorial database in 2007-2011 (which includes record of 29,018,843 people and 13.7m digitized documents; the overall size of the archive is 28TB). The new information is to be hosted on the customer’s hardware and software systems.

    The starting (maximum) price of the contract has been set at 40,845,306.4 roubles. The contract was announced on July 27. Two bids have been submitted so far, by ZAO NPT Opyt and ZAO Electronic Archive, both from Moscow. Both bids have passed the initial vetting. The winner was to be announced on October 4.

    On September 28 the government released minutes from the meeting to open sealed bids for an MoD contract to dispose of small arms and close combat weapons in 2012. The contract, which was announced on August 10, is worth a total of 97,631,848.78 roubles; it includes two lots:

    Dispose of 205,483 automatic assault rifles, 3,975 grenade launchers, 338,855 pistols, and 344 mounted grenade launchers. The lot is worth 76,794,333.23 roubles.

    Dispose of 98,588 automatic assault rifles and submachine guns, 21,356 pistols and revolvers, 49 rifles and carbines and 2,323 machine-guns. The lot of worth 20,837,515.55 roubles.

    There were two bids for each lot, submitted by OAO Molot Vyatka-Polyanka Machinery Plant and OOO Transport Technologies (Petrozavodsk). Both companies offered the starting price.
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    And one more

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    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 Mon Nov 05, 2012 5:55 pm

    Great find Austin, thanks.

    Russian Army celebrates day of military intelligence

    Today, the Russian Federation Armed Forces Day is celebrated military intelligence. In 1918, on this day in the field headquarters of the Revolutionary Military Council was established Registration Department to coordinate all the intelligence agencies of the Red Army.

    It became the prototype currently in force the Main Intelligence Directorate (GRU) of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, an organ of the Foreign Intelligence Defense of Russia.

    Before and during the World War II military intelligence provided Supreme High Command of the General Staff of the Red Army information on the designs and plans of the political leadership and command of the German armed forces, the enemy's fighting capabilities.

    Military intelligence destroyed military targets of the enemy, tearing redeployment of troops and military equipment to the Soviet-German front. Victory Banner over the ruined Reichstag hoisted as military scouts - Sergeant M. Yegorov and Sergeant M. Kantaria.

    For courage and heroism in the performance of special tasks to ensure the national security of the country, more than 700 military intelligence officers were awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union and Hero of the Russian Federation.

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    Read the rest here: http://www.spec-naz.org/news/246/v_vooruzhennykh_silakh_rossii_otmechaetsya_den_voennogo_razvedchika/
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    Post  medo Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:02 am

    Mr.Kalishnikov47 wrote:

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    Interesting videos. Thanks.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:00 am

    http://en.rian.ru/video/20121107/177267334.html

    This shows that Ratnik will be deployed by standard troops, not just elite forces... which is the way it should be.

    Obviously you want special gear for your special forces, but net centric stuff works best with everything part of the network.

    It seems to me that while artillery was popular in Russia before, that with this new gear it will become even more useful and effective once the command and control capability to call in artillery becomes so much quicker and easier.
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    Post  ricky123 Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:39 am

    medo wrote:
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    i dint understand anything they were saying ... only at 1:26 he was mentioning Ipad i hope indians gets kits like this .
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    Post  Cyberspec Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:37 am

    GarryB wrote:http://en.rian.ru/video/20121107/177267334.html

    This shows that Ratnik will be deployed by standard troops, not just elite forces... which is the way it should be.

    In regular units yes but it seems mainly for recon/scout units within regular brigades. The infantry will probably get some of the stuff since I can't see every infantryman needing all the gadgets. The ones in the video are scouts.


    ricky123 wrote:i dint understand anything they were saying ... only at 1:26 he was mentioning Ipad i hope indians gets kits like this .

    My Russian is pretty crappy but they're talking about the features. Basically there's a camera (also connected to the rifle sight), sat-receiver and digital display. Whatever the scouts see goes directly to the unit HQ. There's no need for paper maps as coordinates are marked on the display. In the video artillery fire is called on a target via the new system...obviously more efficient and quicker than via the old method
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    Post  SWAT Pointman Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:54 am

    I thought the camera connected to the rifle sight was the most interesting feature. Definitely could save a soldiers life now that they can fire from concealment. The body armor being able to withstand 7.62x54R AP from 10 metres is also quite impressive. The question now is, what is a cheap way for the Russian soldier to have a weapon that can pierce the enemies body armor?
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    Post  GarryB Thu Nov 08, 2012 5:47 pm


    In regular units yes but it seems mainly for recon/scout units within regular brigades. The infantry will probably get some of the stuff since I can't see every infantryman needing all the gadgets. The ones in the video are scouts.

    Recon units will have extra features, but to be useful a net centric battle system is only as effective as its C4IR, and for the command and communications and control to work you need to be able to reach all your assets.

    All units need to be able to detect and mark targets and pass the info up the command chain and also receive orders etc.


    In computer terms it makes no sense to network some of your computers and not others. With all computers on the network then things like network storage and network printers and of course internet servers and email servers become rather more effective and efficient.

    Having commanders of recon units being able to call in artillery support is good, but having brigade commanders being able to do that too is useful as well.

    The body armor being able to withstand 7.62x54R AP from 10 metres is also quite impressive. The question now is, what is a cheap way for the Russian soldier to have a weapon that can pierce the enemies body armor?

    Note the standard body armour that weighs 7.5kgs will stop standard 7.62 x 54mm rounds from an SVD from 10m. You need the add on plates which will weigh extra to stop the AP rounds.
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    Post  Cyberspec Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:49 pm

    Garry,

    I agree in principle but you have to take cost in consideration. They would need 100's of thousands of sets to equip everyone.
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    Post  SWAT Pointman Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:21 am

    GarryB wrote:

    In regular units yes but it seems mainly for recon/scout units within regular brigades. The infantry will probably get some of the stuff since I can't see every infantryman needing all the gadgets. The ones in the video are scouts.

    Recon units will have extra features, but to be useful a net centric battle system is only as effective as its C4IR, and for the command and communications and control to work you need to be able to reach all your assets.

    All units need to be able to detect and mark targets and pass the info up the command chain and also receive orders etc.


    In computer terms it makes no sense to network some of your computers and not others. With all computers on the network then things like network storage and network printers and of course internet servers and email servers become rather more effective and efficient.

    Having commanders of recon units being able to call in artillery support is good, but having brigade commanders being able to do that too is useful as well.

    The body armor being able to withstand 7.62x54R AP from 10 metres is also quite impressive. The question now is, what is a cheap way for the Russian soldier to have a weapon that can pierce the enemies body armor?

    Note the standard body armour that weighs 7.5kgs will stop standard 7.62 x 54mm rounds from an SVD from 10m. You need the add on plates which will weigh extra to stop the AP rounds.
    Yeah, that's even more weight for the soldier to be carrying around. Too much weight can get you killed on the battlefield.

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