If they want to us to know about them, they can easily contact us in a much more obvious way - for example by landing their crafts in the middle of a large city.
In the early 40's and 50's, the cover story for UFO sightings became swamp gas, weather balloons etc, and just after the Kennedy assassination, the CIA, coined the phrase conspiracy theorist, in a effort to ridicule anyone who questioned the official story.
Weather balloons and swamp gas and a lot of other natural things like geese flying in formation lit by the glow of city lights can all be mistaken for alien space craft.
UFO is simple an object in the sky that you can't identify... if I look up without my glasses on most things are UFOs... that doesn't make them aliens from another planet.
For all we know they might be time travellers from the future and the reason they don't want to make contact is that they don't want to fuck up the time line.
Weather balloons and swamp gas and a lot of other natural things like geese flying in formation lit by the glow of city lights can all be mistaken for alien space craft.
true, but there were Ks of unexplained sightings. Outside the Anglo-Saxon world, there was no attempt to suppress UFO issue during the Cold War. In the USSR, UFO propaganda was forbidden, but the Samizdat translated & printed local & Western reports/discussions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosmopoisk
For all we know they might be time travellers from the future and the reason they don't want to make contact is that they don't want to fuck up the time line.
from 100s & Ks of light years away, they can observe the Solar system & see how it looked like back in time, just like we can look into past with our telescopes. But I doubt it's possible to physically go back in time- by the time u arrive to a distant star system, that world would be at its current state at that time, not in its past.
Walther von Oldenburg wrote:If aliens visit the earth, what do they want/
If they want to us to know about them, they can easily contact us in a much more obvious way - for example by landing their crafts in the middle of a large city.
If they don't know us to know about them, then with their tech being centuries ahead of us, they could easily stay stealth.
One highly controversial book, The Alien Plan for Earth opines that ETs deliberately show themselves, albeit only briefly, as part of a slow process of getting humanity used to them, prior to overt interactions. The work cites examples of bad psychological reactions to support its view that it's still too early now (although there's other evidence that progress is being made).
GarryB wrote: Weather balloons and swamp gas and a lot of other natural things like geese flying in formation lit by the glow of city lights can all be mistaken for alien space craft.
In some cases maybe but no way they can explain all reports.
For all we know they might be time travellers from the future and the reason they don't want to make contact is that they don't want to fuck up the time line.
It's noteworthy that the phenomenon consists largely of flying craft which descend and ascend--highly suggestive of ET whereas time travelers wouldn't need flying craft. Furthermore time travel is at best unverified whereas we ourselves are beginner space travelers.
no doubt! Some elements in governments r also declassifying, leaking or not suppressing/harrasing/ridiculing info./individual sources on past & recent incidents, in case a traumatic event occurs & causes panic. The era of the Projects Blue Book & Grudge that were intended to debunk alien origin of UFOs is over. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ufo-over-arizona-sighting-american-airlines-learjet-pilots-see-ufo/
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It could be non-confrontational but still frightening. For example, an asteroid/comet on a collision course with Earth is deflected to hit the Moon or unpopulated area instead of a big city, after our own probes/weapons sent to study/destroy it disappear. Scientists have explained why we have not met aliens
Alien sarcophagi discovered near the Great Pyramid in Giza
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It is rather obvious that Earth is not being visited by anal probing aliens. Of course, that does not imply the lack of alien life and civilizations on other planets. But:
1) None of those advanced alien civilizations are within our stellar neighbourhood. If they were there, we would have SETI picking up vast amounts of EM signals confirming their presence. That SETI is picking up background noise only means that they are too far away.
2) It is now certain that the speed of light is absolute. Trying to move faster than the speed of light is like trying to move a wave in the water faster than it can go and causing cavitation. The lack of any physical evidence of alien spacecraft anywhere (including in transit between remote points and not just on Earth) means that no alien civilization has broken the speed of light barrier. Sci-fi dreams of warp bubbles or super-string hyperspace tesseraction have not been realized in accessible parts of the universe.
3) Supposing (2) is wrong, it just means that advanced aliens can't be bothered to investigate some primitive backwater. We have nothing to offer them and they don't have an anal fetish.
If they were there, we would have SETI picking up vast amounts of EM signals confirming their presence.
they could use other forms of communication &/ suppress EM signals not to reveal themselves. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1952_Washington,_D.C._UFO_incident
Yet, there's many a slip, and the censors overlooked a sensational article in the newspaper "Trud" on January 30, 1985 entitled "At 4:10 Sharp". The article reported an episode when a UFO with a lighted outline the size of Pskov Lake followed a TU-134A passenger plane (Flight No 8352) till it landed in Tallinn. The object was clearly seen on the radar screen. At the same time another TU-134 plane was flying from Leningrad (St. Petersburg) to Tbilisi and the Control Tower informed its crew that there was a strange "tandem" right on their course. When First Pilot V. Gotsiridze, the Commander of the Tbilisi plane, noticed the object he decided to approach it and have a better look at it. That cost him his life. The Unidentified Object shot a scanning ray which travelled over First Pilot Gotsiridze and partially over Second Pilot Kabachnikov. Several days later Gotsiridze was taken to the hospital where he died of a disease which resembled myeloma. A similar disease made Kabachnikov an invalid for life. (These facts are documented with medical conclusions.) https://ufoexperiences.blogspot.com/2007/02/development-of-ufology-in-russia.html https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/DOC_0005516658.pdf
I knew a former Aeroflot pilot in Tbilisi- he confirmed the cancers of those 2 pilots to me back in 1986. As the Times reports, pilot sightings of UFOs have increased since “their 1980s-era radar was upgraded to a more advanced system. As one fighter jet after another got the new radar, pilots began picking up the objects, but ignoring what they thought were false radar tracks.”..Then, in November 2018, scientists from the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics proposed a long-shot hypothesis about the cigar-shaped object Oumuamua, which passed through the solar system in 2017: It was a “solar sail,” gathering energy from the sun to accelerate through our galaxial neighborhood. (The technology isn’t all that complicated; humans have already developed it.) http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/05/navy-pilots-are-seeing-ufos-on-an-almost-daily-basis-report.html
We all know about NASA probes sent to Mars. There were instruments on board. To detect life. Microbial life. World scientists have no problems postulating about the possibility of life in our own solar system. On Titan. Or Europa. They can all easily imagine a lower and less intelligent life form. Microbes. Ocean dwelling giant eels in the Oceon of Europa.
But they can not imagine an intelligent life form visiting Earth. More intelligent and advanced than humans. Why? The reason is fear. Yes fear. That is why they do not fund SETI. Oh! That is pseudoscience. Conjecture. Waste of money. Laugh out loud. Less intelligent beings is science. Let's send a probe. Let's talk about it. More advanced. Let's call it useless. This is psychology at work. We all loose our sense of self importance. Feel insecure.
I think governments should equally fund search for intelligent and non - intelligent life. No discrimination here. I think we can learn much more from intelligent ET, than Bacteria on Mars.
So Russia and China and America should jointly fund SETI. And yes I believe ET has visited Earth. On account of an experience by a stable and reliable witness, I know myself.
nomadski wrote:We all know about NASA probes sent to Mars. There were instruments on board. To detect life. Microbial life. World scientists have no problems postulating about the possibility of life in our own solar system. On Titan. Or Europa. They can all easily imagine a lower and less intelligent life form. Microbes. Ocean dwelling giant eels in the Oceon of Europa.
But they can not imagine an intelligent life form visiting Earth. More intelligent and advanced than humans. Why? The reason is fear. Yes fear. That is why they do not fund SETI. Oh! That is pseudoscience. Conjecture. Waste of money. Laugh out loud. Less intelligent beings is science. Let's send a probe. Let's talk about it. More advanced. Let's call it useless. This is psychology at work. We all loose our sense of self importance. Feel insecure.
I think governments should equally fund search for intelligent and non - intelligent life. No discrimination here. I think we can learn much more from intelligent ET, than Bacteria on Mars.
So Russia and China and America should jointly fund SETI. And yes I believe ET has visited Earth. On account of an experience by a stable and reliable witness, I know myself.
Instead of looking for objective physical evidence, you postulate subjective claims and guesses about conspiracies and the psychology of the deciders.
If these mighty and fear-inducing aliens visited Earth, they would not need to hide in the shadows and could rub it in our noses. Then no amount of conspiracy could cover it up.
The idea of some secret alien autopsy at Area 51 is moronic and absurd. Powerful aliens would arrive to claim their fallen and not abandon them like they were afraid of humans.
If these mighty and fear-inducing aliens visited Earth, they would not need to hide in the shadows and could rub it in our noses.
they r more likely neutral & would rather gradually prepare us for their coming. Ur posts show typical biased & shallow assumptions about them. Just because they didn't personally visit some university professors, theologians, & politicians to announce their presence & call a press conference doesn't mean that they don't exist.
The idea of some secret alien autopsy at Area 51 is moronic and absurd. Powerful aliens would arrive to claim their fallen and not abandon them like they were afraid of humans.
If it did happen, they were expendable androids not worth claiming them.
"...... Instead of looking for objective physical evidence, you postulate subjective claims and guesses about conspiracies and the psychology of the deciders......".
Agree. Since I do not have the means to look for them and find conclusive proof, I can not say with certainty that I believe. I can say however , that I believe because no other explanation will fit. On the balance of probability. In court of law, this will stand up for a judge to pass sentence. And is no less than any Nasa scientist postulating about probable life on Titan or Europa. But one probability is accepted as science. Money spent on finding microbes. But other probability is voodoo.
"..... If these mighty and fear-inducing aliens visited Earth, they would not need to hide in the shadows and could rub it in our noses. Then no amount of conspiracy could cover it up........ "
I suppose a game warden in the African Kalahari game reserve, after microchiping a Lion. Would get back into Jeep and leave a trail of jucy steak for Lion to follow, back to his hut!
"....... The idea of some secret alien autopsy at Area 51 is moronic and absurd. Powerful aliens would arrive to claim their fallen and not abandon them like they were afraid of humans.......... "
The friend that explained to me his experience, said that they were woken by a sound at night and a strange light came through the open door of bedroom, where there was no light before. An orange light. My friend decided that there was a thief and a break in and decided to close his eyes and stay in bed and wait for thief to get close so he could jump and surprise them. But instead they said that they next opened eyes and found themselves on a bed in a room strangely ordinary with square fluorescent lights on ceiling and ordinary vertical blinds. They said that their arms and legs were being raised and lowered by a force and there was nobody there to do this. After this brief experience they said that they found themselves immobile with eyes shut and limbs limp, unable to move much. They struggled to move, and they could a little. But they felt some hands push down on wrists and ankles to restrain and encourage to lie still. They said they felt they could not win this and decided to play along to allow the restrainers to ease up and then they could jump and break free. As soon as they stopped resisting, they then opened eyes and found themselves back on own bed in own bedroom with strange light gone. This is a very reliable witness who has only told me. The interest shown was medical and reproductive.
kvs wrote:It is rather obvious that Earth is not being visited by anal probing aliens.
Given the vast number of UFO reports--many unsolved or unexplainable in prosaic terms after decades--I think it's obvious that we are being visited.
1) None of those advanced alien civilizations are within our stellar neighbourhood. If they were there, we would have SETI picking up vast amounts of EM signals confirming their presence.
Advanced ETs have probably gone far beyond the stage of radio communication. We are rank beginners as civilization here is just a few thousand years old. It could be hundreds of thousands or millions elsewhere. It's highly naive to assume our understanding of physics and our technology are the last word.
The lack of any physical evidence of alien spacecraft anywhere (including in transit between remote points and not just on Earth) means that no alien civilization has broken the speed of light barrier.
Physical evidence, albeit not publicly accessible, has been obtained and argues that ETs have broken or circumvented "the speed of light barrier."
Supposing (2) is wrong, it just means that advanced aliens can't be bothered to investigate some primitive backwater. We have nothing to offer them and they don't have an anal fetish.
We spend vast sums investigating Mars even though any indigenous life there almost certainly never got beyond the level of microbes.
kvs wrote: If these mighty and fear-inducing aliens visited Earth, they would not need to hide in the shadows and could rub it in our noses.
They don't hide completely or there wouldn't be UFOlogy. They show themselves, plenty of times, to slowly familiarize humanity with them.
The idea of some secret alien autopsy at Area 51 is moronic and absurd. Powerful aliens would arrive to claim their fallen....
Unless, they wanted things to fall into military hands. The book mentioned previously, The Alien Plan for Earth goes into considerable length about all this.
Tsavo Lion wrote:It could be non-confrontational but still frightening. For example, an asteroid/comet on a collision course with Earth is deflected to hit the Moon or unpopulated area instead of a big city, after our own probes/weapons sent to study/destroy it disappear.
If the aliens indeed have some sort of understanding with US/Western governments I'm quite certain it's not for the betterment of humanity, especially those of us who are from Russia, Asia and Africa.
If an asteroid crashes on Earth millions will die. But then millions are dying every day, globally, for instance due to road accidents. Are aliens taking any steps to prevent that? No.
Lowlifes like Kissinger will be privy to any discussion on topics related to aliens. But note he, along with many other individuals who represent the US Government, House of Windsor have expressed a strong desire to eliminate millions in Russia, third world countries so that the US could get minerals and natural resources from those countries.
starman wrote:Physical evidence, albeit not publicly accessible, has been obtained and argues that ETs have broken or circumvented "the speed of light barrier."
Can you please share some link about this discovery ?
If an asteroid crashes on Earth millions will die. But then millions are dying every day, globally, for instance due to road accidents. Are aliens taking any steps to prevent that? No.
It'll depend on the size, speed & point of impact of an asteroid. Ms r not dying every day in road accidents, maybe dozens. The aliens r concerned with planet wide threats & already showed their concern with our nuclear testing, accidents & weapons.
Can you please share some link about this discovery?
See my prev. post with links to implants. https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29342407
Whatever this phenomenon really is, mass hysteria or the collective unconscious or CIA fancy story or excuses by post man for being late for his rounds! ( yes there was case of postman who blamed being late for rounds on being abducted by aliens!) or atmospheric phenomenon or actual visitations, I really do think that world governments should cooperate in following areas :
( 1) The building of fusion reactors.
( 2) The formation of Earth defence shield against meteor and Asteroid strikes.
( 3) The funding of SETI. As well as existing space programmes.
What we should avoid is spending money in copying " advanced" and " reverse Engineered" alien recovered tech. Like the TR3 anti - gravity! drive. This is the trap.
How have they showed their concern ? Because in the last 70 + years more than 2,000 nuclear test explosions have taken place already. Accidents and weapons too?
They r monitoring them as well as BM tests: “That, in fact, UFOs have routinely monitored our nuclear weapons dating back decades and that, on occasion, apparently have interfered with the functionality of those weapons,” Hastings said. .. The government ended atomic weapons tests years ago, but Nevada incidents continue. Former security officers at Area 2 at Nellis Air Force Base, for years a storage facility for up to 200 nuclear warheads, have reported multiple intrusions by unknown aircraft from the late 1990s through 2004. .. Similar incidents have been reported in the UK, India, Pakistan and other nuclear powers. In the 1990s, the I-Team traveled to Russia twice and obtained classified documents about frightening incidents there. https://www.8newsnow.com/news/i-team-new-film-claims-ufos-monitored-nuclear-weapons/ http://www.ufohastings.com/articles/triangular-shaped-ufo-sighted-at-the-nellis-afb-nuclear-weapons-storage-area
http://www.ufohastings.com/documentary From 1963 to 1980, all were present at U.S. nuclear missile sites when the flashing lights of alien spacecraft – some disc-shaped, some conical, some spherical – appeared before them or their colleagues. ..the major threat that the aliens pose is to the close-minded. "I don't think humankind is in jeopardy from whoever they are or whatever they are, except that we will have our minds expanded," he said. "There will be a paradigm shift. Traditional institutions such as religions, governments, other social institutions may be threatened by what is coming. That is just the logical consequence of what is about to occur." ..Some confessed that they didn't see the ships themselves, but heard reliable accounts from trustworthy comrades. In most cases, though, when the aliens approached, the missiles stopped being responsive to technicians' controls. But the aliens didn't actually zap the missiles. They just flew over the bases, worked their advanced-technological magic and disappeared into the night. "They could have done a lot more damage," Salas told Danger Room when asked how he knew the alien counter-missile efforts didn't portend a more hostile purpose, like a forthcoming attack. https://www.wired.com/2010/09/tinfoil-tuesdays-ufos-neutered-nukes-air-force-officers-claim/
In the last 75 years, high-ranking U.S. military and intelligence personnel have also reported UAPs near sites associated with nuclear power, weaponry and technology—from the early atomic-bomb development and test sites to active nuclear naval fleets. “All of the nuclear facilities—Los Alamos, Livermore, Sandia, Savannah River—all had dramatic incidents where these unknown craft appeared over the facilities and nobody knew where they were from or what they were doing there,” says investigative journalist George Knapp, who has studied the UAP-nuclear connection for more than 30 years. Knapp has gathered documentation by filing Freedom of Information Act requests to the departments of defense and energy. “There seems to be a lot of correlation there,” says Lue Elizondo, who from 2007 to 2012 served as director of a covert team of UAP researchers operating inside the Department of Defense. The program, called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), received $22 million of the Pentagon’s $600 billion budget in 2012, The New York Times reported. Elizondo now helps lead To the Stars’ investigations. The UFO-nuclear connection began at the dawn of the atomic age. Nuclear-adjacent sightings go back decades, says Robert Hastings, a UFO researcher and author of the book UFOs and Nukes: Extraordinary Encounters at Nuclear Weapons Sites. Hastings says he’s interviewed more than 160 veterans who have witnessed strange things in the skies around nuclear sites. “You have objects being tracked on radar performing at speeds that no object on earth can perform,” Hastings says. “You have eyewitness [military] personnel. You have jet pilots.” Witnesses to these incidents are often highly trained personnel with top security clearances. In recent years, their reports are being corroborated by sophisticated technology. In late 1948, “green fireballs” were reported in the skies near atomic laboratories in Los Alamos and Sandia, New Mexico, where the atomic bomb was first developed and tested. A declassified FBI document from 1950 mentions “flying saucers” measuring almost 50 feet in diameter near the Los Alamos labs. And Knapp has interviewed more than a dozen workers from the Nevada desert atomic test site, where scores of A-bombs were detonated in the post-WWII years. He says they told him UFO activity was so commonplace there, employees were assigned to monitor the activity. In the 1960s and ’70s, repeated UFO sightings emerged at Malmstrom Air Force Base in Montana, a storage site for nuclear-tipped intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs). At one such alleged sighting in 1967, former Air Force Capt. Robert Salas says several of those missiles became inoperative at the same time base security reported seeing a glowing red object, about 30 feet in diameter, hovering over the facility. Salas, who commanded ICBMs as a launch officer and later worked in the aerospace industry and at the Federal Aviation Administration, told CNN the “missiles began going into what's called a ‘no-go condition,’ or unlaunchable.”
Navy sightings in the Atlantic and the Pacific In recent years, sightings of unidentified aerial phenomena have emerged from America’s nuclear navy. F-18 fighter pilots from the nuclear-powered USS Theodore Roosevelt carrier strike group saw UAPs almost daily for several months between the summer of 2014 and the spring of 2015 while executing training maneuvers along the Eastern seaboard between Virginia and Florida, witnesses told Elizondo. “Wherever we were, they were there,” says Ryan Graves, an active-duty F-18 fighter pilot from the USS Roosevelt, who holds a degree in aerospace engineering. The objects appeared in three shapes, Graves says—some were discs, others looked like a cube inside a sphere, while smaller round objects flew together in formation. All lacked visible engines or exhaust systems. Some tilted, mid-flight, like spinning tops, as seen on an infrared video released by the U.S. Department of Defense in 2017. Graves and another F-18 pilot, Danny Accoin, confirm that video, along with one other released by the government, had been shot by their fellow Roosevelt pilots while in the air. One UAP, Grave says, almost caused a terrifying collision by zipping dangerously between two planes. An aviation flight-safety report was filed, he says, but never investigated. Graves says the unidentified objects reappeared once the Roosevelt had deployed to its mission in the Persian Gulf. “It’s hard to find a prosaic explanation for a carrier battle group being shadowed by unidentified aircraft all the way across the Atlantic, to an area of operations overseas in the Middle East,” says Chris Mellon, former U.S. Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence during the Clinton and George W. Bush administrations, who now serves as an integral part of the To The Stars team. “It makes an extremely compelling case for the existence of technologies we didn’t think were possible.” Leon Golub, a senior astrophysicist at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, told The New York Times there may indeed be several “low-probability” prosaic explanations for the Roosevelt sightings. They include “bugs in the [radar’s] code for the imaging and display systems, atmospheric effects and reflections [and] neurological overload from multiple inputs during high-speed flight.” Still, the Roosevelt reports echo those made by Navy pilots undergoing training exercises on the other side of the country. In November 2004 pilots and radar operators from the USS Nimitz carrier fleet saw a 40-foot long tic-tac shaped object flying just above the ocean while flying 100 miles off the coast of California near San Diego. When F-18 fighter jets were scrambled to approach the object, it accelerated, easily outrunning the supersonic Navy craft. Increasing attention to the topic Whereas earlier reports were career-killers for military personnel, there is an increasing openness in the Pentagon and on Capitol Hill to taking these sightings seriously as potential threats. In April 2019, the U.S. Navy announced that it was updating its guidelines for how pilots and personnel should report unexplained aerial phenomena—making it easier for military members to report sightings to superiors without facing professional stigma and backlash. And Congress, beginning with former Senate majority leader Harry Reid, has taken more interest in being briefed. George Knapp says that’s more activity than he has seen in three decades. He, and many others, think it’s overdue. “At the facilities where we were first designing and building nuclear weapons…at the places where we were processing the fuel…at the facilities where we were testing the weapons…at the bases where we deployed those weapons, on the ships…the nuclear submarines… All those places, all the people working there have seen these things,” Knapp says. https://www.history.com/news/ufos-near-nuclear-facilities-uss-roosevelt-rendlesham
..at Vandenberg Air Force Base in 1964, ..a test missile was destroyed shortly after launch. Lieutenant Robert Jacobs came forward in 1982 to describe a film he took of a space object approach the missile and shoot a plasma-type beam at the dummy warhead from four different angles. The warhead then fell off into the ocean. https://www.independent.com/2019/08/20/ufos-in-santa-barbara-%E2%80%95-do-you-believe/
Tsavo Lion wrote:They r monitoring them as well as BM tests:
Ok. But then aliens could simply stop research and development undertakings like Manhattan Project even before they took off, if aliens were so concerned about the dangers posed by nuclear weapons. They did not. Instead they allowed the design and development of thousands of nuclear warheads around the world.
I read somewhere that Hindu scriptures that are more than 5000 years old talk about spaceships that are capable of inter galactic travel. Question is why haven't Hindus been able to figure out how to design such spaceships ?
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They don't want to disrupt & upset out civilization & progress by imposing their will on us like European colonizers did in Africa, Asia & the Americas. We need to learn from our own experience & mistakes.
Tsavo Lion wrote:They don't want to disrupt & upset out civilization & progress by imposing their will on us like European colonizers did in Africa, Asia & the Americas. We need to learn from our own experience & mistakes.
Are all these aliens who have so far visited Earth coming from just one planet ? It's quite possible that different aliens are coming from different planets. And their agenda vis a vis Earth differs.
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Physical evidence, albeit not publicly accessible, has been obtained and argues that ETs have broken or circumvented "the speed of light barrier."
