The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

Vann7 wrote:

Interesting information..   according to Russian diplomats close to lavrov , John Brennan the CIA director was in Ukraine
to try to get information of 20 missing in action americans special forces of te company black water.  

http://www.voltairenet.org/article183269.html


Looks like the video of american captured was true.and i don't think they will be released any time soon.. LOL
RUssia can use them to negotiate and or even use them when you have enough number as a media weapon
to discredit Obama..interference in Ukraine. if i were to guess ,they will be in Siberia now.. in a secret place..  

macedonian wrote:Rumors of Ukrainian soldiers switching sides...

  

It's twitter, so...
But anyway:

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Airbornewolf wrote:

macedonian wrote:Rumors of Ukrainian soldiers switching sides...

  

It's twitter, so...
But anyway:

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good to see there is still common sense under the Ukrainian Millitary.

also shows the slipping control of Kiev on its armed forces in General.

Hannibal Barca wrote:Yes probably the people on charge of handling the situation in Ukraine where up close 25 years ago in Yugoslavia and now use the valuable experience gained there.
Sometimes age does matter. Let's see how things unfold. Already said that Putin is the greatest Russian leader after Ivan the Terrible. I am confident he will pull this off.

Firebird wrote:There's some really bizarrre aspects to it all.

Russia actually wants to foster ties with the EU. But not as the EU's bitch.
It will take time and thinking to work out how best to  do it.

The US on the other hand, just wants to cause shit, even war between the EU and the CIS/Russia.
Not all Americans, but certainly the lunatics that dictate its foreign policy.

Now the EU has good and bad. Certain politicians see Russia as an extremely valuable partner. But others see the CIS as something to destablise and colonise and abuse. The current EU monkeys chose to put Nazis in charge of the Ukraine. Not exactly a wise move when you are trying to foster friendships.

Hopefully now, the bulk of a Federal Ukraine's states will become rock solid partners of Russia, infact even part of a "Greater RUssia" either an informal or more formal way.

Still.. a lot of shit (and shits) to sort 1st!

The Russian flags on Ukrainian Armored Personnel Carriers (APCs) were a stratagem, Kiev says. According to the acting head of the Batkivshchina Party, Sergey Sobolev, the Ukrainian military raised Russian flags on their vehicles on purpose, to fool the Donetsk region’s self-defense squads and thus be able to get into areas under the control of protesters.

“Those were our military units using guerilla methods of intervention,” Sobolev said, citing the acting Defense Minister. “Very soon, in two to three hours this maneuver is going to be disclosed and you’ll understand that it was actually a breakthrough, which our units thus carried out.”

flamming_python wrote:Apparently 3 BTRs have joined the side of the Slavyansk defenders/DPR forces; they drove to the centre of Slavyansk and took down their Ukrainian flags.
This is confirmed by a RIA Novosti correspondent there.

Only strange thing is how they drove into the centre of Slavyansk first. So, someone must have allowed them in and they made their intentions clear in advance, if the story is indeed true

http://ria.ru/world/20140416/1004139444.html

flamming_python wrote:Interesting site: "Honest Voting"
http://modsite.by/

You can choose which region are you from, and if your IP checks out you can vote for whether you want to stay in the Ukraine, enter the RF, have an independent republic or be part of a federative Ukraine

Here are the results
http://modsite.by/allresult/

A majority of all regions are for entrance into Russia, and only a fairly small minority in all regions advocate staying in the Ukraine. Of course, these results are warped and not representative (even more so when all the trolls from Western Ukraine discover this site and connect by proxy over the next 48 hours, etc...), but this isn't the point - which is that you can gauge, with some accuracy - the level of support for staying part of the Ukraine relative from one eastern region to the other.

So the winners are Lugansk, closely followed by Donetsk with the highest annexation into RF sentiment by a good margin, with all the others hovering around 51-55%
Donetsk followed by Odessa have the highest support for being independent republics, albeit still single-digit figures; with the rest of the regions being even lower.
Support for federalization is highest in Nikolayev and Dnepropetrovsk, albeit still unpopular options
While Kherson & Kharkov are the regions which most want to stay in the Ukraine.

As you can see - support for annexation into Russia is much higher than for federalization or independence, although again - the thing is that typically most moderate people won't care enough to vote or follow this whole situation on the internet