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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

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    Post  Flyingdutchman Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:58 am

    macedonian wrote:
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    America's foreign policy is not limited or unique to America alone.
    Yes, America has done some wrong and hypocritical things, but not because their government is genuinely evil, but because they can get away with it. But guess what, so does China  jocolor

    I didn't understand the first part because the second sentence contradicts the first.
    If you meant that it's not the first time that a powerful country acts the way the US acts today, I certainly agree with that.
    But history has proven it wrong each and every time. One just needs to look at things from a historical perspective and see that what the US does now and did in the past, will be sure to come back and bite. Yes, history has a strange way of repeating itself, and power combined with greed was/is certain to end the rule of the most powerful of empires.
    I disagree on the evil part, just because I believe that power corrupts, and greed turns people evil. Same with individuals or governments.

    As for the second part - China:
    Well, the same could be said here as well. China rose again to be a powerful nation, and it will rise even further to be THE most powerful nation.
    The difference between the two is that China has past grievances, as it was not dealt with much respect in the past, and the US doesn't have them, since it is quite a 'young nation' (historically).

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    Flyingdutchman wrote:A long time ago in a discussion about Russia vs nato they said they were surprised about with how much western propaganda western people were raised and i actually disagree with everything in that guys post
    , but remember that everyone in the west knows what the americans did in Iraq was for oil but what they did was the right thing they secured the worlds oil.

    Propaganda exists on both sides. It's more blatant on the western side now, but it used to be the forte of the 'other side' (USSR) before.
    The problem with propaganda is that many people see through it, no matter where it comes from. Especially today when you have virtually billions of sources to get your information from on the internet. And to a certain extent, I agree that western people have been raised with more propaganda in the past 20 years. Not because I want to believe that, but because I've lived in the West, and have seen it first hand. There are many people in the west today who see through that propaganda and censorship, and it makes them genuinely angry because of the fact that they're being fed lies.

    Now i expect you to tell me exactly what lies you mean Cause no one is being fed lies here in europe!
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    Post  Werewolf Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:16 am

    Flyingdutchman wrote:Now i expect you to tell me exactly what lies you mean Cause no one is being fed lies here in europe!

    Are you trolling or just a lying?

    So we here in Europe don't get lied constantly?

    Let us see if your claim is true.

    The Julia video "I am an ukrainian" was made by USA, like this Kony BS video was made by USA.



    BBC orchestred this interview in London about a "ukrainian family" "fleeing" from Crimea because they fear "russians can kill them".



    That actor with his city of london double citizenship tells "Russians is a nation of barbars and thiefs" seriously that is the worst made up interview with actors since month i've seen on BBC.

    The constant war and hatespeeches about russia "sended and invaded crimea" a blatant lie, some CNN have reported lies and missinformed their stupid viewrs such as "russia send 8000 troops to crimea while they are only allowed to have 6000 total on crimea".

    So spare your bullshit that we don't get lies, we ONLY get lies. Not single mention that snipers were proven to be western blackops, no were mentioning that western has indeed paid the maidan protesters daily several hundred to thousand dollars, that they have trained and supplied neo-nazi youth in estonia,poland and other countries and used them in Kiew. No where mentioned the fact that british sniper rifles were found along with ex Israeli soldiers in Kiew. They talked for several weeks that this demonstrants are all Peaceful while killing policemen with pistols,molotov cocktails,bricks and sticks. More than 2 month the western controlled Mainstream Media denied that there are facists who kill,loot and terrorize the country and make assassinations through the country against russians.


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    Post  macedonian Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:22 am

    Flyingdutchman wrote:Now i expect you to tell me exactly what lies you mean Cause no one is being fed lies here in europe!

    See what I mean: people in the west are now more susceptible to propaganda, being raised with it.
    Go on, read sources in western media, and tell me which part of it you TRULY believe. It would save us time, instead of me pointing to many web-sites of blatant propaganda...like the BBC, CNN, Guardian or the DT (to name a few).
    I'll be right here waiting.

    One thing I need to point out: while the 'rebels' in Kiev and Syria were interested in freedom (according to your un-biased western media), the very opposite is true for the 'pro-Russian terrorists' and Assad thugs...start there, and tell me where it leads...

    I'll be the first to apologize should you prove me wrong.
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    Post  Werewolf Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:27 am

    macedonian wrote:
    Flyingdutchman wrote:Now i expect you to tell me exactly what lies you mean Cause no one is being fed lies here in europe!

    See what I mean: people in the west are now more susceptible to propaganda, being raised with it.
    Go on, read sources in western media, and tell me which part of it you TRULY believe. It would save us time, instead of me pointing to many web-sites of blatant propaganda...like the BBC, CNN, Guardian or the DT (to name a few).
    I'll be right here waiting.

    One thing I need to point out: while the 'rebels' in Kiev and Syria were interested in freedom (according to your un-biased western media), the very opposite is true for the 'pro-Russian terrorists' and Assad thugs...start there, and tell me where it leads...

    I'll be the first to apologize should you prove me wrong.

    It is hard to prove someone wrong if he speaks the truth, the only way to "proof" someone wrong is making a law that makes it illegal to have any other opinion than presented, this method was already used by west in the past "nürnburger prozesse".
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:50 am

    FP,

    Any news?
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    Post  flamming_python Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:47 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:FP,

    Any news?

    Na
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    Post  Flyingdutchman Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:49 am

    Yeah you guys are actually right i am sorry and PLEASE dont misunderstand me because I AM NOT TROLLING i love this forum people i really do!
    And i dont listen to BBC, CNN and al that bullshit.
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    Post  Vann7 Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:59 am

    For me the major disappointment is with Central Kiev.. Not a single dam protest totally passive ,and yakunovych got there from 30% to 40% of the votes.. i still remember one of the Idiots of central kiev.. that was interviewed by RT.. He supported Yakunovych when asked and rejected the Right Wing neo nazis parties protest and destruction.. but when asked if he was going to protest to show support for the President he told.. "oh noo.. i have better things to do ,that to waste my time in protest..i need to go to work."  Rolling Eyes 

    This is the kind of IDIOTS.. that allows NATO the takeover of any nation without a fight.
    He saw more important to go to his minimum salary job.. perhaps to a mcdonals ,than to prevent his country from being ruined
    for his lack of participation. and later have to deal with dictatorship.IF only all Ukranians that voted for Yakunovych organized before the coup and protested this will have never happened and the coup will have never been successful. You simply show 3,000 Pro Yakunovych protesters and start throwing bricks back to the protesters.. and that will have forced them all to retreat and leave the center square.
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    Post  macedonian Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:31 pm

    Flyingdutchman wrote:Yeah you guys are actually right i am sorry and PLEASE dont misunderstand me because I AM NOT TROLLING i love this forum people i really do!
    And i dont listen to BBC, CNN and al that bullshit.
    Oh, suddenly, you don't listen to them/trust them?!
    After saying that Russia spews more propaganda than the west does???

    I can only hope that you're being honest here.
    But I trust you are...(are you really?).

    Nevermind, however you feel, the Truth is bound to come-up at the end...it always does.
    You either stand for what's right, or what's not. (And I don't think that Russia is always right, just to be clear on that!)
    Cheers.
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    Post  macedonian Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:48 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:FP,

    Any news?

    Na

    None?
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    Post  etaepsilonk Fri Apr 18, 2014 5:12 pm

    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    Now i expect you to tell me exactly what lies you mean Cause no one is being fed lies here in europe!

    There's A LOT of propaganda in the western world going on. Maybe it's just so widespread that you have trouble noticing it?  Wink 

    There are a lot of news outlets often posting fake BS (and taking a lot of taxpayers' moneyz for that), because that's how propaganda works:
    A single channel posting a favourable report (like RT) wouldn't influence that many people ("only RT is posting this, probably it's BS"). On the other hand in the west you have a ton of companies- BBC, CNN, FOX, ABC, Deutche welle/whatever, continously producing news reports, often with a common agenda ("sounds fishy, but it's all over the internet, could be true, and John Kerry confirms it too  Laughing ").

    See how the system works?  Wink 
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    Post  Stealthflanker Fri Apr 18, 2014 5:30 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Na

    Would like to confirm a thing from you..

    So there was no Ukrainian Su-27 or whatever fighter jet shot down by Manpads ?
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    Post  Flyingdutchman Fri Apr 18, 2014 5:56 pm

    macedonian wrote:
    Flyingdutchman wrote:Yeah you guys are actually right i am sorry and PLEASE dont misunderstand me because I AM NOT TROLLING i love this forum people i really do!
    And i dont listen to BBC, CNN and al that bullshit.
    Oh, suddenly, you don't listen to them/trust them?!
    After saying that Russia spews more propaganda than the west does???

    I can only hope that you're being honest here.
    But I trust you are...(are you really?).

    Nevermind, however you feel, the Truth is bound to come-up at the end...it always does.
    You either stand for what's right, or what's not. (And I don't think that Russia is always right, just to be clear on that!)
    Cheers.

    I just said it because i dont want a fight like i had before.
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    Post  Flyingdutchman Fri Apr 18, 2014 5:58 pm

    etaepsilonk wrote:
    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    Now i expect you to tell me exactly what lies you mean Cause no one is being fed lies here in europe!

    There's A LOT of propaganda in the western world going on. Maybe it's just so widespread that you have trouble noticing it?  Wink 

    There are a lot of news outlets often posting fake BS (and taking a lot of taxpayers' moneyz for that), because that's how propaganda works:
    A single channel posting a favourable report (like RT) wouldn't influence that many people ("only RT is posting this, probably it's BS"). On the other hand in the west you have a ton of companies- BBC, CNN, FOX, ABC, Deutche welle/whatever, continously producing news reports, often with a common agenda ("sounds fishy, but it's all over the internet, could be true, and John Kerry confirms it too  Laughing ").

    See how the system works?  Wink 

    Youre probably right Wink 
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    Post  George1 Fri Apr 18, 2014 6:46 pm

    No Russian peacekeepers to Ukraine without UN resolution, says Moscow

    Russian peacekeepers cannot be brought into the Donetsk region of Ukraine without the consent of the UN Security Council, said Viktor Ozerov, head of the committee on defense and security of the Federation Council (the upper chamber of the Russian Parliament). Meanwhile, the Russian Foreign Ministry has warned Kyiv against using force to crack down on protests in the eastern regions of Ukraine.

    Commenting on the possible response to a request by the self-proclaimed Donetsk National Council for the dispatch of a Russian peacekeeping contingent to the Donetsk region, Ozerov said that Russia was not entitled unilaterally to bring troops into the territory of another state unless there was a corresponding decision made by the UN Security Council.

    In this case, said Ozerov, Russia, as a permanent member of the Security Council and a member of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, can join the peacekeeping force to ensure security.

    He noted that "we have had examples of sending peacekeeping forces to the territory of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, but it was within the framework of the CIS."

    Ozerov admitted that in March the Federation Council, at an extraordinary meeting called by Russian President Vladimir Putin, had agreed to the president’s request to use the armed forces of the Russian Federation in Ukraine if necessary.

    "This was due to the situation in Crimea, but we acted on the basis of agreements on the Black Sea Fleet, and only strengthened the protection of our bases," said Ozerov.

    Commenting on the situation in the eastern regions of Ukraine, where pro-Russian activists are in favor of a referendum on secession and unification with Russia, Ozerov said that “applying pressure to the situation from the outside would be counterproductive."

    He stressed that Russia is interested in stabilizing the situation in Ukraine, however, public opinion must be recorded, and according to Ozerov, a referendum is the most democratic way.

    Later, in an interview with RIA Novosti, the senator added that in the case of bloodshed and a possible outbreak of ethnic hostilities in eastern Ukraine, Moscow might reconsider its position.

    "If genocide of the Russian people starts in the east of Ukraine, mass extermination on ethnic and political grounds, mass casualties, Russia is not just going to stand by and look at that," he underlined.

    However, as the Kommersant daily newspaper reports, its sources in the Russian Defense Ministry have given assurance that no mention of a peacekeeping operation has been made in the military department.

    Ministry alleges presence of “American” mercenaries in Ukraine

    In a statement posted on its website, the Russian Foreign Ministry has called on the authorities in Kyiv to immediately cease any military preparations, fearing that such action may unleash a civil war in the country.

    "According to the information available, there is a tightening of internal forces and the National Guard of Ukraine in the south-eastern regions of Ukraine, including in Donetsk, with the participation of the Right Sector illegal armed militant group,” the statement reads.

    The ministry also alleged that 150 of what it described as “American experts from the Greystone private military organization” had been involved in the operation, claiming that they had disguised themselves as a Ukrainian special forces unit.

    "The organizers and participants of this provocation assume responsibility for creating a huge threat to the rights, freedoms and the lives of innocent citizens of Ukraine and to the stability of the Ukrainian state" the ministry’s statement continued.

    The transfer of special police to the east and south of Ukraine from other parts of the country was later confirmed by Ukrainian Interior Minister Arsen Avakov.

    "These special forces are ready to solve operational problems without regard to local nuances," said Avakov, urging "all hotheads to defer their criticism and panic for now, and help the police keep the situation under control."

    Earlier, in a conversation with the Acting Minister of Foreign Affairs Andriy Deshchytsa, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov urged the Kyiv authorities to refrain from the use of violent methods of resolving the conflict in the country.

    Source: Russia Beyond the Headlines - http://rbth.co.uk/international/2014/04/08/no_russian_peacekeepers_to_ukraine_without_un_resolution_says_m_35767.html)
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Apr 18, 2014 6:51 pm

    ...Now we got the biggest newspaper in Israel calling the "Donetsk Jew registry" a complete erroneous fabrication, even the ADL is skeptical of the authenticity:

    Flier calling on Donetsk Jews to register now widely seen as fake

    Ukrainian city's separatist leader, whose alleged signature is on document, says he never signed it; ADL 'skeptical of fliers' authenticity.'

    The pro-Russian separatist leader of Donetsk, whose alleged signature is on the now notorious fliers calling on the eastern Ukrainian city's Jews to register on pain of deportation, said the documents were fakes, the ThinkProgress website reported Thursday.

    “Some idiots yesterday were giving out these fliers in targeted areas,” said Denis Pushlin, head of the self-proclaimed People's Republic of Donetsk, whose forces have taken over Ukrainian government buildings in the city. Pushlin said he didn't sign the documents and the People's Republic, whose name is stamped on the fliers, didn't produce them.

    Meanwhile, the Anti-Defamation League said it was "skeptical about the … authenticity" of the fliers, which have been widely reported and accepted as authentic, including by U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, who denounced them as "grotesque."

    Also, Julia Ioffe, who covers Russia for The New Republic, wrote: "The Donetsk Jewish community dismissed [the fliers] as 'a provocation,' which it clearly is. 'It's an obvious provocation designed to get this exact response, going all the way up to Kerry,' says Fyodr Lukyanov, editor of Russia in Global Affairs. 'I have no doubt that there is a sizeable community of anti-Semites on both sides of the barricades, but for one of them to do something this stupid — this is done to compromise the pro-Russian groups in the east.'"

    According to the original report from Novosti Donbassa news agency, the fliers were handed out by three men wearing balaclavas and carrying Russian Federation flags on Monday, Passover eve, to Jews leaving synagogue in Donetsk.

    The fliers order all Jews over the age of 16 to register at the government building, which has been occupied by pro-Russian insurgents in defiance of Kiev rule. Jews would also have to pay a registration fee of $50 before May 3 and list all real estate and vehicles owned.

    The notice explained the measure as being due to the alleged support of Jewish leaders for the "nationalist junta of [Stepan] Bandera in Kiev" and their hostility "to the Orthodox Donetsk republic and its citizens."

    Failure to register, the notice said, would result in people being "stripped of their citizenship and deported forcibly outside the country with confiscation of property."

    Donetsk's Jewish population numbers upwards of 15,000.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/.premium-1.586174
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    Post  Hannibal Barca Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:42 pm

    A historic question. Supposedly Hitler slaughter all Jews in occupied countries. How on Earth we have Jews in Ukraine?
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    Post  flamming_python Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:30 pm

    macedonian wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:FP,

    Any news?

    Na

    None?

    Slow news day, there are some bits here and there but nothing worth posting

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Na

    Would like to confirm a thing from you..

    So there was no Ukrainian Su-27 or whatever fighter jet shot down by Manpads ?

    NOPE
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    Post  flamming_python Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:33 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:A historic question. Supposedly Hitler slaughter all Jews in occupied countries. How on Earth we have Jews in Ukraine?

    A lot fled east and returned later.
    Some were conscripted into the Red army and returned later.
    Some hid, and emerged later
    And some immigrated to Soviet Ukraine from other parts of the USSR after the war, were sent there for work and then stayed, etc...
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    Post  flamming_python Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:42 pm

    Town of Seversk was seized today, that's about the only significant development

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    TV-Radio station has changed hands a couple of times over the last 36 hours it seems. As of now its under the control of the rebels again.

    Odessa pro-Maidan barricade/checkpoint was assaulted, although that might have been yesterday actually

    And Kiev brought in police from other regions to Donetsk, they are right now securing the roads from Donetsk to Mariupol, setting up checkpoints there to prevent movement of protestors and rebels, etc...
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    Post  Intrigado Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:49 pm

    It looks like the US made plans for Central and Eastern Europe. Here you go:

    "Transatlantic Security Challenges: Central and Eastern Europe

    Testimony
    Victoria Nuland
    Assistant Secretary, Bureau of European and Eurasian Affairs
    Statement Before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee
    Washington, DC
    April 10, 2014


    As prepared

    Chairman Murphy and Ranking Member Johnson – I am honored to be here today to testify on the security challenges facing the Transatlantic community in Central and Eastern Europe. Let me begin by thanking you for your leadership in the passage of the Support for the Sovereignty, Integrity, Democracy and Economic Stability of Ukraine Act. This legislation, which was supported by every member of this subcommittee, will enable the United States to provide needed help to Ukraine as the country undertakes its difficult transition.

    I would also like to thank you for your visits to the region. I know that Chairman Murphy and Senator McCain have traveled to Kyiv twice in the past 5 months, and that Senator McCain -- along with Ranking Member Johnson, Senator Barrasso, and others -- will travel to the Baltic states and Moldova this weekend. This engagement demonstrates America’s continuing bipartisan support for a Europe whole, free and at peace.

    For over 20 years, the United States and our European Allies have worked to integrate Russia more closely into the Euro-Atlantic community through our bilateral engagement and organizations like the OSCE, the WTO and the NATO-Russia Council. Russia’s actions in Ukraine are an affront to this effort and fundamentally change the security landscape of Eastern and Central Europe. Today I appreciate the opportunity to discuss the impact of Russia’s actions on Ukraine, our policy response to their actions and other challenges in the region.

    Russia’s occupation of Crimea, rubberstamped by an illegitimate referendum conducted at the barrel of a gun, has tarnished its credibility and diminished its international standing in the eyes of Ukrainians and the world. Reports of human rights abuses in Crimea since the Russian occupation have shocked the conscience. Russia has also attempted to intimidate Ukrainians by amassing more than 40 thousand troops and quick strike aircraft along the border, and with trade blockades and gas price hikes of 80 percent.

    This week’s violent occupation of government buildings in Kharkhiv, Donetsk, and Luhansk deepen our concern. Far from a spontaneous set of events, these incidents bear all the hallmarks of an orchestrated campaign of incitement, separatism and sabotage of the Ukrainian state, aided and abetted by the Russian security services.

    So today Ukraine is a frontline state in the struggle for freedom and all the principles the Transatlantic community holds dear. The United States stands with Ukraine in its efforts to forge its own path forward to a more free, peaceful, and unified future. Our approach includes four pillars: first, our bilateral and multilateral support for Ukraine; second, the costs we are imposing on Russia for its aggressive actions; third, our efforts to deescalate the crisis diplomatically; and fourth, our unwavering commitment to the security of our NATO Allies who also live on the frontlines of this crisis. Let me address the first three briefly. Assistant Secretary Chollet will address the fourth in his testimony.

    First, we support the Ukrainian people and the transitional government in the courageous steps they are taking to restore economic health, democratic choice and internal stability and security to the country. The Rada has passed landmark anti-corruption measures, deficit reduction measures and taken difficult steps to reform the energy sector. These necessary reforms will require painful sacrifices from all Ukrainians. But they also open the way to an IMF package of up to $18 billion in support.

    The United States stands ready to help as the country addresses its immense challenges. Our $1 billion loan guarantee, in conjunction with IMF and EU assistance, will help implement these reforms and will cushion some of impact on the most vulnerable in Ukrainian society.

    And we have approximately $92 million in FY 2013 State/USAID funding and an anticipated $86 million in FY 2014 State/USAID funding for assistance to Ukraine in areas such as strengthening anti-corruption efforts, revising public procurement legislation, introducing agriculture and energy sector reforms, deepening privatization efforts, improving the transparency and quality of higher education and helping Ukraine prepare for free, fair elections on May 25th.

    We are also working with the international community to push back against Russian propaganda, lies and efforts to destabilize Ukraine’s regions. The OSCE has already deployed more than 120 monitors in ten locations throughout Ukraine as part of a special monitoring mission and the mandate allows the mission to grow to 500. The OSCE Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights will also play an essential role by sending 1000 observers for the Presidential election, one of its biggest missions ever.

    Second, Russia is already paying a high price for its actions, and that cost will go up if its pressure on Ukraine does not abate. Across the board, Russia has found itself isolated. The United States along with all other G-7 members declined to attend the Sochi G-8 Summit and suspended participation in G-8 activities. Instead, the G-7 will meet in Brussels. On March 27th, the United States and 99 other countries in the UN General Assembly reaffirmed the unity and territorial integrity of Ukraine within its internationally recognized borders. Only 11 voted against. Along with our Allies, we have suspended practical cooperation between NATO and Russia. We have suspended most bilateral economic and military cooperation and much of the work of the U.S.-Russia Bilateral Presidential Commission. The President signed two Executive Orders authorizing sanctions against those responsible, and finding that the actions and policies of the Russian government undermine democratic process and institutions in Ukraine; threaten its peace, security, stability, sovereignty, and territorial integrity; and contribute to the misappropriation of its assets. These sanctions have been carefully coordinated with the EU and other global partners. And today we are considering further measures in response to Russia’s continued pressure on Ukraine.

    And the financial markets are reacting. The ruble has fallen. Capital flight from Russia is at a high not seen in years. And Russia has been downgraded by major credit rating agencies on account of its actions.

    These costs will only increase if Russia does not change course.

    At the same time, we want to try to de-escalate the crisis. Secretary Kerry has met three times with Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov in recent weeks, with the support of the Ukrainian government at a time when Russia would not meet directly with Ukraine. Earlier this week, Russia agreed to sit down next week with Ukraine, the EU and U.S. to discuss de-escalation, demobilization, support for elections and constitutional reform. Between now and then, we have made it clear that Russia needs to take concrete steps to disavow separatist actions in Eastern Ukraine, pull back its forces outside the country, and demonstrate that they are prepared to come to these discussions with the goal of de-escalating the conflict.

    So Russia has a choice—to work with the international community to help build an independent Ukraine that can meet the hopes and aspirations of all Ukrainians, or Russia can face greater isolation and economic cost.

    We are also concerned about the pressure this crisis is putting on Moldova, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan and other neighbors of Ukraine. Moldova in particular has been the victim of economic pressure from Russia, intense Russia-sponsored propaganda against its choice to associate with the EU and renewed separatist efforts in Transnistria and Gagauzia. As you know, we have intensified U.S. political and economic support to Moldova, and other states of the region in recent months and this effort will be sustained.

    The Ukraine crisis highlights another deep and growing challenge in the Euro-Atlantic space. The Maidan protestors had many grievances. But one of the most galvanizing across Ukraine was the pervasive corruption that has infused every aspect of Ukraine’s politics, economy and social fabric for too long. And as Secretary Kerry highlighted at the Munich Security Conference, we are seeing a similar disturbing trend in too many parts of Central and Eastern Europe and the Balkans now “where the aspirations of citizens are … being trampled beneath corrupt, oligarchic interests” who “use their money and influence to stifle political opposition and dissent, to buy politicians and media outlets, weaken judicial independence and the rights on NGOs.”

    We are also seeing a growing league of oligarchs and corrupt politicians work together, including across national lines, to protect and help each other maintain that influence, and keep the cash flowing that feeds their preferred system. Corruption of this kind doesn’t just rot democracies from the inside, it also makes them vulnerable to corrupting influences outside country who seek undue economic and political influence over state policies and decision-making. In other words, in many parts of Europe, fighting corruption needs to be a higher national priority in order to protect and defend democracy AND state sovereignty.

    As we look to shore up the security, prosperity and values that are vital to our shared aspiration for a Europe whole free and at peace, therefore, fighting corruption must be a more central line of effort. Over the coming year, you will see our focus on this intensify in the work we do across the Balkans, and Central and Eastern Europe, in close collaboration with the with EU, to help these countries promote clean, accountable government, a lively and free civil society, and media independence and to help governments and citizens expose and root out corruption wherever it hides.

    Similarly, the Ukraine crisis is a wake-up call to accelerate other work we have been doing to promote a stronger, more prosperous Transatlantic community. As Assistant Secretary Chollet will discuss, the renewed need for security vigilance along NATO’s Eastern border means our European Allies must reverse the downward trend of shrinking defense budgets.

    And even as we revitalize our transatlantic security ties, we must also strengthen our economic ties and accelerate the growth and job creation on both sides of the Atlantic by completing an ambitious Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership agreement. The work that Eurozone countries are doing to strengthen the banking system and institute other reforms will also give investors confidence.

    Finally, we must do more together as a Transatlantic community to strengthen Europe’s energy independence and internal market including guaranteeing reverse flow capabilities; ensuring greater diversity of supply; enhancing storage capacity and developing a deeper network of import terminals and interconnectors throughout the continent.

    So this crisis has intensified our focus not just on Central and Eastern Europe but on a broad set of transatlantic security challenges – and opportunities—on the road to a Europe whole, free and at peace.

    We are grateful for the bipartisan and very active support of this subcommittee in that effort. I look forward to your questions."

    To me, it looks like a shiny new Cold War. Central and Eastern Europe, along with the Balkans, will undergo some nice purges: whoever seems as not being pro-American enough is going to be labeled as "corrupted oligarch" or whatever and ousted from power. As far as I know, traditionally Russia has many friends in the Balkans. I suppose any Russia-friendly government has reason to start counting the days until its removal from power. If the lady spoke seriously, I don't like this picture at all.
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    Post  Firebird Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:56 pm

    I wonder why that cunt isn't handing out cakes to the protestors in Donetsk...

    I think Uncle S(h)am's Evil Empire is truly crumbling at long last.
    Payback will be sweet!

    PS these scum dont even TRY and look credible.
    That whore is talking about USAID's "anti corruption" budget in the Ukraine.
    Hmm, like putting Pravy Sektor in the govt. I really hope that piece of shit meets its end the same way as Gaddafi did...
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    Post  Intrigado Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:13 pm

    Things seem serious though.

    I don't remember to hear such strong words in the last 25 years. Obviously they'll do anything to contain Russia's influence in the Balkans albeit some countries aren't even NATO members!

    Ah, by the way, after USS Donald Cook goes back from whence it came, they plan to send a frigate to the Black Sea. And then another. And another....
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    Post  Hannibal Barca Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:54 pm

    Intrigado wrote:Things seem serious though.

    Don't tell me, I am gonna cry  Laughing 



    I don't remember to hear such strong words in the last 25 years. Obviously they'll do anything to contain Russia's influence in the Balkans albeit some countries aren't even NATO members!

    I am ready and waiting  attack 



    Ah, by the way, after USS Donald Cook goes back from whence it came, they plan to send a frigate to the Black Sea. And then another. And another....


     lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1 
    This one whole frigate in Black sea is really worrying.

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    Post  etaepsilonk Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:24 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:
     lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1 
    This one whole frigate in Black sea is really worrying.


    When Odessa rebells, those ships might be used to block possible supply convoys from Crimea.

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    Easter peace my a**.


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