The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

arpakola wrote:There's a big strike(miners) going on in Krasnodon:




В Краснодоне Луганской области митингующие захватили здание ПАО «Краснодонуголь». Об этом сообщает «Луганская гвардия» в социальной сети «ВКонтакте». «Митингующими было захвачено здание ПАО "Краснодонуголь", был поставлен на колени замгендиректора по персоналу А. Пимкин. На 23.00 (22.04.2014. - Полемика) создаются баррикады. Требования: поднять зарплату и отменить санкции к работникам. Туда выехали пожарные расчеты. Подъезды к зданию были заграждены служебными автобусами, но они уехали, чтоб забрать работников с предприятий и отвезти людей по домам, но шахтеры настроены на забастовку»

Regular wrote:Hope You had happy Easter. Not much is going on.

Geneva treaty is leading to nowhere.
Ukrainian "politician" Vladimir Rybak was found dead couple days ago. He and other guy was gutted and thrown in the river with a backpacks with sand not far away from Slovyansk.
Here is the video of him being detained. Judging by his manner he well deserved it.
https://youtu.be/t2UhOkYGBL0

Oh and Simon Ostrovski, that urod with massive eyebrows who works for Vice was detained cause he had Israel passport.

Hope they do it;) He is literally asking to be put down. Last time I've seen his video Simon was biased as hell and started to check protester passports and blame Russia for everything.

Apart from that NATO is swarming in Black sea, even the French bringing their Duiplex.

Regular wrote:There are some fun news
Does anyone remember SU-24 fly by over American ship? Well 27 American crewmen endured such stress they had to resign. Show how much balls Americans have.
http://de.ria.ru/opinion/20140421/268324381.html

Regular wrote:There are some fun news
Does anyone remember SU-24 fly by over American ship? Well 27 American crewmen endured such stress they had to resign. Show how much balls Americans have.
http://de.ria.ru/opinion/20140421/268324381.html

TR1 wrote:

Regular wrote:There are some fun news
Does anyone remember SU-24 fly by over American ship? Well 27 American crewmen endured such stress they had to resign. Show how much balls Americans have.
http://de.ria.ru/opinion/20140421/268324381.html

Sounds like the biggest pile of crap I have ever read .

Regular wrote:There are some fun news
Does anyone remember SU-24 fly by over American ship? Well 27 American crewmen endured such stress they had to resign. Show how much balls Americans have.
http://de.ria.ru/opinion/20140421/268324381.html

Aj wrote: Marx's last stand: Eastern Ukraine
What is unfolding in Eastern Ukraine has all the makings of a classic Marxist drama.

by Vladimir Golstein

AJ wrote:Expansion of Western capital

What for Russians might appear as "NATO expansion", or for the West, "the march of democracy" is, in fact, the expansion of Western capital, which needs the guarantees of Western legal and political system to function. Former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovich resisted this pull towards the West not because of his loyalty to Russia, but because the Western system would have been too complex and cumbersome for him to steal on the scale that he got used to. But once he was removed, it become easier for the pro-Western Kievan economic and political elite to embark on this project, while relying on the loyalty of Ukraine's western regions - the regions that could not wait to leave Russia's influence and try their luck at competing with the Polish plumbers for the few good positions left in Europe. These groups saw the rapid Westernisation as liberation, not as a threat.

NYT Retracts Russian-Photo Scoop

Exclusive: After starting a propaganda stampede – with a lead story about photos of Russian troops purportedly in Ukraine – the New York Times admits the pictures really don’t prove much, and one photo was labeled as snapped in Russia when it was really taken in Ukraine, writes Robert Parry.

By Robert Parry

Two days after the New York Times led its editions with a one-sided article about photos supposedly proving that Russian special forces were behind the popular uprisings in eastern Ukraine, the Times published what you might call a modified, limited retraction.

Buried deep inside the Wednesday editions (page 9 in my paper), the article by Michael R. Gordon and Andrew E. Kramer – two of the three authors from the earlier story – has this curious beginning: “A collection of photographs that Ukraine says shows the presence of Russian forces in the eastern part of the country, and which the United States cited as evidence of Russian involvement, has come under scrutiny.”

In the old days of journalism, we used to apply the scrutiny before we published a story on the front page or on any other page, especially if it had implications toward war or peace, whether people would live or die. However, in this case – fitting with the anti-Russian bias that has pervaded the mainstream U.S. press corps – the scrutiny was set aside long enough for this powerful propaganda theme to be put in play and to sweep across the media landscape.

Only now do we belatedly learn what should have been obvious: the blurry photographs provided by the coup regime in Kiev and endorsed by the Obama administration don’t really prove anything. There were obvious alternative explanations to the photos that were ignored by the Times, such as the possibility that these were military veterans who are no longer associated with the Russian military. Or that some photos are not of the same person.

And, one of the photos featured by the Times in its Monday lead article, purportedly showing some of the armed men in Russia, was actually shot in the Ukrainian town of Slovyansk, according to Maxim Dondyuk, the freelance photographer who took the picture and posted it on his Instagram account.

Here is the tortured way the Times treated that embarrassing lapse in its journalistic standards: “A packet of American briefing materials that was prepared for the Geneva meeting asserts that the photograph was taken in Russia. The same men are also shown in photographs taken in Ukraine.

“Their appearance in both photographs was presented as evidence of Russian involvement in eastern Ukraine. The packet was later provided by American officials to The New York Times, which included that description of the group photograph in an article and caption that was published on Monday. … The dispute over the group photograph cast a cloud over one particularly vivid and highly publicized piece of evidence.”

Then, after noting Dondyuk’s denial that the photo was snapped in Russia, the Times quoted State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki as acknowledging “that the assertion that the photograph in the American briefing materials had been taken in Russia was incorrect. But she said that the photograph was included in a ‘draft version’ of a briefing packet and that the information has since been corrected.”

But the misidentification of the photo’s location as Russia, not Ukraine, was not some minor mistake. If the photo was taken in Ukraine, then the whole premise of the claim that these same guys were operating in Russia and have since moved to Ukraine collapses.

Note how the Times framed this point in its Monday article: “Some of the men photographed in Ukraine have been identified in other photos clearly taken among Russian troops in other settings.” Then, the cutline below the photo read: “Soldiers in a group photo of a reconnaissance unit, which was taken in Russia, were later photographed operating in towns in eastern Ukraine.” There was no attribution. The location is stated as flat fact.

Still, the Obama administration is not going to let its sloppy mistake get in the way of a potent propaganda theme. According to the Times, Psaki insisted that there was plenty of other classified and unclassified evidence proving that the Russians are behind the eastern Ukrainian uprisings, but none of that supposed evidence was included in Wednesday’s story.

The problem for the Times, however, is different. Many of the flaws in the photographic evidence were there to see before Monday’s front-page article, but the newspaper was apparently blinded by its anti-Russian bias.

For instance, the article devoted much attention to the Russian skill at “masking” the presence of its troops, but that claim would seem to be contradicted by these allegedly secret warriors posing for public photos.

The Times also ignored the fact that the U.S. Special Forces – and indeed the special forces of many other nations – also seek to blend in with the populations by growing beards and wearing local clothing. This is not some unique tactic employed by the nefarious Russians.

[For more on this topic, see Consortiumnews.com’s “Another NYT-Michael Gordon Special?”]
Investigative reporter Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories for The Associated Press and Newsweek in the 1980s. You can buy his new book, America’s Stolen Narrative, either in print here or as an e-book (from Amazon and barnesandnoble.com). For a limited time, you also can order Robert Parry’s trilogy on the Bush Family and its connections to various right-wing operatives for only $34. The trilogy includes America’s Stolen Narrative. For details on this offer, click here.

http://consortiumnews.com/2014/04/23/nyt-retracts-russian-photo-scoop/

Regular wrote:There are some fun news
Does anyone remember SU-24 fly by over American ship? Well 27 American crewmen endured such stress they had to resign. Show how much balls Americans have.
http://de.ria.ru/opinion/20140421/268324381.html

"On 10 April, the destroyer Donald Cook ', with Tomahawk cruise missiles, 'on board, was in the neutral waters of the Black Sea. The (American) aim was to perform a bullying action and show of force in the context of Russia's position in relation to the Ukraine and the Crimea. The emergence of American warships in these waters is contrary to the Convention on the character and the time period of the stay of warships of non-riparian countries in the Black Sea. " wrote:

Kommissar wrote:
and it's being swallowed by a massive amount of our population
. TV spews it, most newspapers(although they're a little less balanced) spew it. We really need a powerful
left wing government with an untarnished reputation that can
hold out to all right wing interests.

In his historic address to the Russian Duma on March 18, Putin chose his words carefully: “We are grateful to the
people of China, whose leaders have always considered the situation in Ukraine and Crimea taking into account the
full historical and political context, and greatly appreciate India’s reserve and objectivity.” Fulsome praise for
China, great appreciation for India’s “reserve”. He thanked none other.
Russia and China have already agreed on hugely well-funded supply lines for Russian energy to Chinese hubs.

Unfortunately there isn't hope for one so

TR1 wrote:Su-24 jamming AEGIS?

lol come on.

It was an ancient reco Su-24 (BSF has some of the oldest ones in the entire VVS), what pray tell did it do this magical jamming with?