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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

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    Post  arpakola Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:05 pm

    Crane arrives delivering huge slates of stone -position being fortified fast #Konstantinovsk
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    photos from Konstantinovka
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    "Separatists" "turn themselves in" to Kolomoiski to recive promised "reward" in Donezk. 10.000$ per separatist.
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    Post  arpakola Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:35 pm





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    An unknown explosive device has gone off in the Donetsk region of eastern Ukraine, killing one serviceman and injuring another, the Ukrainian Defense Ministry reported. The cause of the explosion remains unclear, the ministry said.  According to a preliminary investigation, the explosion was caused by a handmade device, the ministry said in a statement.

    smells like provocation, not irelevent to Kharkiv - Kernes  events today

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    Post  AlfaT8 Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:50 pm

    Looks like the prisoner exchange is going as we expected.
    RIA wrote:SLAVIANSK, April 28 (RIA Novosti) – Military observers from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe being held as prisoners of war in eastern Ukraine’s Slaviansk could be freed in exchange for the release of federalization supporters taken hostage by Kiev, the city’s people’s mayor said Monday.
    http://en.ria.ru/world/20140428/189422768/Peoples-Mayor-of-Slaviansk-Proposes-Swap-for-OSCE-Team.html
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    Post  arpakola Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:26 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:Looks like the prisoner exchange is going as we expected.
    RIA wrote:SLAVIANSK, April 28 (RIA Novosti) – Military observers from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe being held as prisoners of war in eastern Ukraine’s Slaviansk could be freed in exchange for the release of federalization supporters taken hostage by Kiev, the city’s people’s mayor said Monday.
    http://en.ria.ru/world/20140428/189422768/Peoples-Mayor-of-Slaviansk-Proposes-Swap-for-OSCE-Team.html

    http://www.vz.ru/news/2014/4/27/684140.html
    СМИ: Представителей ОБСЕ и Красного Креста не пустили к Губареву

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    I found a little green man .. also.
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    Post  arpakola Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:28 pm

    America deploys B2 stealth bombers to Europe

    America deployed three B2 stealth bombers to Europe due to growing tensions with Russia involving Ukraine, reports Turner Radio Network. "Since the Russians will not take phone calls from defense minister Hagel or Obama, we have no choice but to send a message in a language they will understand", said a Pentagon speaker.
    Meanwhile, Obama has urged the EU to coordinate sanctions against Russia. He it said at a press conference in the Malaysian capital Kuala Lumpur, where he’s on official visit.

    Obama stressed the importance of coordination between the America and the Europe by imposing of broad sectoral sanctions - before announcing them, America needs to know what steps Europe wants to take.

    He urged Russia to stop destabilizing actions in south-eastern Ukraine, and stressed the importance of taking further steps aimed at warning Russia from actions in the region.

    "It would be wrong to think that it would be effective if America went ahead alone without the Europeans on sectoral sanctions", Obama said.According to him, "the best way is unified message".

    As expected, the America and the Europe will announce new sanctions on Monday: Europe plans to expand black list of Russian officials, and the America, in addition to the sanctions on Russian ruling influential crooks and thieves does not preclude restrictions on the work of individual Russian companies.

    On the eve of a telephone conversation between a Russian thug, their "foreign minister" Lavrov, and American foreign minister Kerry the countries again showed a difference in approach. The Russian crook and thief announced brazenly called Russian terrorists, arrested in Ukraine, "political prisoners" and urged Americans to "use their influence for the release of arrested leaders of the protest movement"-
    This happened against the backdrop of Russian terrorists seizing OSCE personnel in Slovyansk, The terrorist claimed they were spies and said they would be exchanged for fellow Russian terrorists, arrested by Ukrainian authorities.
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    Post  Werewolf Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:40 pm

    Haha let them deploy this "stealth" bombers, it is not like we can't see them.
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    Post  macedonian Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:49 pm

    arpakola wrote:America deploys B2 stealth bombers to Europe

    America deployed three B2 stealth bombers to Europe due to growing tensions with Russia involving Ukraine, reports Turner Radio Network. "Since the Russians will not take phone calls from defense minister Hagel or Obama, we have no choice but to send a message in a language they will understand", said a Pentagon speaker.

    Ha, ha...the Americans have lost it - COMPLETELY!
    They just don't understand what many people who've felt their injustice are willing to do if they go all in against Russia.
    And I don't mean just people here in the Balkans, I've lived in other places in Europe, and know for SURE that many will rise against America, should that happen.
    We're indeed witnessing the fall of an empire here (it's just like reading a history book, only much better, seeing it in real-life).
    The 'Empire' is falling. That is certain to me now.

    Thanks arpakola!
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    Post  arpakola Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:50 pm

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    Post  Firebird Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:04 pm

    Obama is a weak man, trying to pretend to be strong. In particular, trying to impress Republicans.

    This is a stupid, dangerous cocktail for the Americans. I just hope the EU have enough brains to distance themselves from Uncle Scam, the Arch-Shit-stirrer.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Apr 28, 2014 7:14 pm

    The background intelligence ties of the detained fake OSCE observers in Slavyansk, all evidence points to them being NATO military intelligence officers:



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    Post  etaepsilonk Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:04 pm

    arpakola wrote:America deploys B2 stealth bombers to Europe

    America deployed three B2 stealth bombers to Europe due to growing tensions with Russia involving Ukraine, reports Turner Radio Network. "Since the Russians will not take phone calls from defense minister Hagel or Obama, we have no choice but to send a message in a language they will understand", said a Pentagon speaker.


    I suspect that this is just a visit, rather than actual deployment. B-2s require ridiculously expensive infrastructure, to the point there I don't think they could actually afford it under normal circumstances.
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    Post  arpakola Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:01 pm

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    Post  Viktor Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:53 pm

    Fuck EU  Very Happy 

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    Post  arpakola Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:22 pm

    Viktor wrote:Fuck EU  Very Happy 

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    Post  arpakola Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:36 pm

    Pro Russian separatists, beat pro Ukraine protesters in Donetsk.The Situation in the Ukraine. #3 - Page 27 BmVO5LJIEAA9TTK

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    Post  macedonian Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:36 pm

    Viktor wrote:Fuck EU  Very Happy 

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    I'll just sign this... Very Happy

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    Oh, the BBC seems to go truly mental with their propaganda (nothing unusual, I know) which tells me that: THE EMPIRE IS TRULY AFRAID!
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    Post  Vann7 Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:46 pm



    A pro Russian politician that is now popular withing Anti Kiev forces..

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    Post  AlfaT8 Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:50 pm

    arpakola wrote:The Situation in the Ukraine. #3 - Page 27 Lgw482O

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    Come on arpakola, i can't Google translate pictures, please write some translations, cause i want in on the joke too you know.  Sad Sad
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    Post  Regular Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:16 pm

    arpakola wrote:Pro Russian separatists, beat pro Ukraine protesters in Donetsk.The Situation in the Ukraine. #3 - Page 27 BmVO5LJIEAA9TTK

    Haha:) Nice. They should be afraid to show ukrainian flags in the streets.
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    Post  Regular Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:29 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:Come on arpakola, i can't Google translate pictures, please write some translations, cause i want in on the joke too you know.  Sad Sad
    First image says "You can tell straightaway who is owner in the country.
    Second "This very same GRU agent was working in Georgia and now Ukraine"
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    Post  AlfaT8 Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:38 pm

    Regular wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:Come on arpakola, i can't Google translate pictures, please write some translations, cause i want in on the joke too you know.  Sad Sad
    First image says "You can tell straightaway who is owner in the country.
    Second "This very same GRU agent was working in Georgia and now Ukraine"
    Thx regular.  cheers 
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:03 am

    OSCE admits that those "observers" in detention in Slavyansk aren't one of their own, but in fact active-duty military officers:

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:12 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Jamming an Aegis is extremely easy, let alone for a Su-24. Many much more ancient Russian ECM system platforms would jam an Aegis just as easily.

    Actually the jamming bit can never be the interesting part of the story; the interesting part is that the Su-24 should have certainly used corner reflectors, or something like that, to give "Donald Cook" the necessary help to detect it in the first place, so that it can then make a mockery of the ships "capabilities". That's also why it had to make a dozen passes to provide enough help for the ship to detect it.

    Of course, the other aspect that I mentioned in my previous post is interesting too.

    I know I am spending a bit too much time discussing the remarks I made in my post reproduced above; it was an obvious point after all. However, there is some further potential evidence that provides additional corroboration of that point.

    Before going any further, I should clarify something first: It is a common Russian practice to use a technique that is exemplified by the following movie analogy.

    In the movie "This Property is Condemned", starring Natalie Wood and Robert Redford, Natalie Wood is a teller of tales about places she has never been.

    She tells Robert Redford she had been to the famous Peabody Hotel in Memphis.

    He responds by asking if she saw that fountain with all the ducks and alligators in it.

    She says she did see that.

    He responds by saying, "I just wonder how they keep those gators from eating all those ducks!" She got caught.

    The Russians commonly use this technique to make a point to whichever group that happens to be their targeted audience in a given situation.

    Now to the interesting part, apparently, according to ITAR-TASS there were two Su-24s involved in that buzzing event. If this is true (no reason it’s not), it provides further corroboration that, as expected, the Aegis had no idea about the air situation, as I never heard the American side mentioning a second aircraft.

    ITAR-TASS:

    The minister (Sergej Shojgu*) also commented on the incidents in which two Russian Su-24 planes flew over the American destroyer Donald Cook in Black Sea on April 12 and a Russian Su-27 jet fighter escorted an American RC-135 plane over the Sea of Okhotsk on April 22.

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    Post  Vann7 Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:21 am

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    arpakola wrote:Pro Russian separatists, beat pro Ukraine protesters in Donetsk.The Situation in the Ukraine. #3 - Page 27 BmVO5LJIEAA9TTK

    Haha:) Nice. They should be afraid to show ukrainian flags in the streets.

    They should have used instead baseball bats.. this people should be smashed hard enough to make them think twice returning to Donetsk to seek problems. My bet is many of them comes from the west to seek problems in Donetsk..
    Unfortunately i still do not see the massive participation required to paralize a country and stop the kiev crackdown on eastern cities. The need to have no less than 5,000 people every day in every city. IF you compare Ukraine protest with 45millions citizens ,with Syria that only have 22 millions . I have yet to see a huge protest in Ukraine pro Russia that is any close to what i seen in Pro Russian rallies in Syria..



    Ukrainians needs to get the hell out of their homes watching TV and take to the streets every day,as soon they can. .. have seen at times totally empty DOnetsk with terrible depressing music in the background. Basically it looks like Donetsk resident only go to protest on sundays..and the rest of days is business as usual. LOL
    People in Eastern and southern zones needs to organize better and take their activism like if their future of their families and their lives depends of their activism. Organize better.and create more cheerful activism.
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    Post  mutantsushi Tue Apr 29, 2014 6:12 am

    Werewolf wrote:I would kill this piece of shit on side, oligarch murderer and collaborateur of genocide against slavic people.
    Can we stop the death threats and swear words directed at whoever you hate?
    I don't like this guy any more than you, but it serves no constructive purpose and lowers the intellectual level of discussion.
    If this is really your intention, go do something about, don't play internet toughguy here.  It's boring.


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