The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

Regular wrote:

arpakola wrote:Pro Russian separatists, beat pro Ukraine protesters in Donetsk.

Haha:) Nice. They should be afraid to show ukrainian flags in the streets.

Are you an idiot? These actions will only fuck up their reputation even more, and its complete idiocy to go down to rights ector's level.

Ukraine Supplying Syrian Jihadists Since 2011
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13930208000571

TEHRAN (FNA)- Ukraine has bee supplying arms to the militants in Syria in the last three years, German magazine Der Spiegel said.
The Ukrainian state concern Ukroboronprom sends weapons over Germany to Syria. Yet, the German foreign department denied the revelation in a statement saying, "It is not clear, to which place in Germany the weapons are transported."

The rifles were sent to Germany for "modifications," an official said to der Spiegel.

The magazine cited the American Think Tank Jamestown Foundation (connected with US-Spy Agencies). The Think Tank believes, that the weapons are sent from Ukraine to the Syrian rebels via Germany. Jamestown speaks about a number over 54 000 rifles for jihadists supplied only in 2011 and 2012. "They could be used for covert operations in syria," Jamestown said to Spiegel.

The German government doesn't want to investigate the shipments. "It is scandalous, that the German government can't say anything about the actual place of the weapons," German lawmaker Sevim Dagdelen said. It would be very possible, that the weapons reached jihadists in Syria.
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Critically wounded Kharkiv mayor sent to Israel for treatment
KIEV, April 29. /ITAR-TASS /. Kharkiv mayor Gennady Kernes, who was critically wounded, has been brought to Israel for treatment overnight to Tuesday, according to spokesperson for Kharkiv city council Irina Kutsenko.
She said that late at night on April 28, Israeli physicians arrived and strongly recommended to transfer Kernes to Israel for medical treatment. “At 03:20 (00:20 GMT) the plane departed from the Kharkiv airport,” the spokesperson specified.

for the return of Crimea" medals

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BRUSSELS, April 29. /ITAR-TASS/.
The official journal of the European Union has published the names of 10 Russian officials and five representatives of Ukraine’s south-east resistance, against whom have been applied sanctions constituting in ban of entry in EU territory and assets freezing (if any) in member states.
In particular, the list includes:

-Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Kozak;
-Permanent Presidential Representative in Crimea Oleg Belaventsev;
-Vice-Speaker of the State Duma Lyudmila Shvetsova;
-Head of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces Valery Gerasimov;
-Head of Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff Igor Sergun;
-Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Sergei Neverov;
-Minister for Crimean Affairs Oleg Savelyev;
-Sevastopol Governor Sergei Menyailo;
-Senator of Crimean executive authority Olga Kovitidi; << what a honor for Greece!! https://www.facebook.com/olga.kovitidi
-Main Intelligence Directorate employee Igor Strelkov.

CrossTalk: Containment 2.0? (ft. Stephen Cohen & John Mearsheimer)

Nice   


Japan's sanctions against Russia not to go unanswered - Russia's FM


Russia says EU should be "ashamed" of itself over sanctions, response ready

I hope Canada will be included too

Austin wrote:CrossTalk: Containment 2.0? (ft. Stephen Cohen & John Mearsheimer)

That is an excellent watch.
Highly recommended.

Viktor wrote:Nice   


Japan's sanctions against Russia not to go unanswered - Russia's FM


Russia says EU should be "ashamed" of itself over sanctions, response ready

I hope Canada will be included too

I can get why USA is pissed off with Russia. I can get why EU north is pissed off and the puppet regimes of ex Warsaw pact counties panicking that they may have to apologize to their people for the treason they committed.
But for countries like Canada or Japan giving "head" to uncle Sam in such a shameful way I can't speak out a semi reasonable excuse for the sake of my life!

Harper is nothing but a puppet and dances to whatever tune wahsington sings. It isnt our business, but It is becoming ours due to continupus failure of negotiating the keystone pipeline and are hoping Asia and Europe will tap into our resources and save our stupidly over inflated economy. Russia is a direct competitor to us and our other industries (R&D, high tech and heavy manufacturing) are pretty much dead, and resources are our main/only income.

Zakarpatie declared independence ???
and is in the West of Ukraine...!!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/rolling_news/2014/04/140429_rn_avakov_president_elections.shtml

According to UNN, Viber is no longer working in Ukraine, Whatsapp has some problems too.
Oh noes the new "progressive, european" gov-t is banning the very same means of communication, used by "their" maidan protesters to coordinate themselves.
Why?
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/rolling_news/2014/04/140429_rn_avakov_president_elections.shtml
Аваков: выборы могут пройти не во всех регионах Украины

Hannibal Barca wrote:

Viktor wrote:Nice   


Japan's sanctions against Russia not to go unanswered - Russia's FM


Russia says EU should be "ashamed" of itself over sanctions, response ready

I hope Canada will be included too

I can get why USA is pissed off with Russia. I can get why EU north is pissed off and the puppet regimes of ex Warsaw pact counties panicking that they may have to apologize to their people for the treason they committed.
But for countries like Canada or Japan giving "head" to uncle Sam in such a shameful way I can't speak out a semi reasonable excuse for the sake of my life!

This is because the official world currency for commerce is the American dollar , and for they being the biggest consumers of whatever the rest of the world have for sale. IF japan says NO to anything US demand..Obama can cut trade ties with Japan . Imagine Japan without selling Cars to US or Europe? will go bankrupt overnight. they depend so much of US...or Playstations or Nintendo consoles. Japan economy is highly dependent of US relations. The only exception to US economy hegemony is BRICS countries that are independent . Like IRAN ,SYria ,Venezuela ,And most south america.

US an entertainment and business super power ... produce everything need for the management of a business and for entertainment.. ie.. Computers ,Windows aplications ,Video games..Iphones..Holywood..etc and the control Japan another entertainment console power.

And Russia is an Energy and rare materials super power.. they have everything countries needs for the building of a modern nation. From Oil and Gas ,mining of industrial materials and rare materials important for technology.  and they control/influence most energy/rare materials powers through BRICS.

For anyone either US or Russia to fully control the world economy is pure fantasy.
Most of the world will always depend to have economic relations with Both sides.

Lugansk ?

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/17862762

arpakola wrote:Lugansk ?

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/17862762

Now NATO is recruiting and paying singers to sing the Ukrainian hymn .. LOL

Unfortunately for NATO ,when people are hungry in Ukraine without a job and nothing to eat will NOT feel patriotic ,regardless
if the London Symphony Orchestra performs every day for them. Looks more like the TITANIC scene when the ship was sinking ,and musicians where performing their last act. Any western attempt to promote patriotism in a bankrupt economy with neonazis in power
are doomed to fail.



Ukraine is a sinking ship ,people better jump the boat before is too late..  

Vann7 wrote:

Hannibal Barca wrote:

Viktor wrote:Nice   


Japan's sanctions against Russia not to go unanswered - Russia's FM


Russia says EU should be "ashamed" of itself over sanctions, response ready

I hope Canada will be included too

I can get why USA is pissed off with Russia. I can get why EU north is pissed off and the puppet regimes of ex Warsaw pact counties panicking that they may have to apologize to their people for the treason they committed.
But for countries like Canada or Japan giving "head" to uncle Sam in such a shameful way I can't speak out a semi reasonable excuse for the sake of my life!

This is because the official world currency for commerce is the American dollar , and for they being the biggest consumers of whatever the rest of the world have for sale. IF japan says NO to anything US demand..Obama can cut trade ties with Japan . Imagine Japan without selling Cars to US or Europe? will go bankrupt overnight. they depend so much of US...or Playstations or Nintendo consoles. Japan economy is highly dependent of US relations. The only exception to US economy hegemony is BRICS countries that are independent . Like IRAN ,SYria ,Venezuela ,And most south america.

US an entertainment and business super power ... produce everything need for the management of a business and for entertainment.. ie.. Computers ,Windows aplications ,Video games..Iphones..Holywood..etc and the control Japan another entertainment console power.

And Russia is an Energy and rare materials super power.. they have everything countries needs for the building of a modern nation. From Oil and Gas ,mining of industrial materials and rare materials important for technology.  and they control/influence most energy/rare materials powers through BRICS.

For anyone either US or Russia to fully control the world economy is pure fantasy.
Most of the world will always depend to have economic relations with Both sides.

US is worried because. China and Russia together can effectively take huge control over the manufacturing and business centers. Alone? No. Together? Yes. US is trying its best to stay afloat by these measures but even EU is ho hum about it. Already Seimens France/Germanyvis trying to prevent GE from purchasing a major French company. So you will see more of that in the future. If EU had its own military arm, they would more than likely push US domination out as well.

Donietsk

They really got going today in Lugansk:
Oblast administration captured
Local TV-tower captured
Oblast prosecuter's office captured

Rumors say that the local interior forces in Lugansk have agreed to deposit its weapons in the police armory and have it jointly guarded with the rebels
Rumors also say that interior forces that have been deployed from other regions, Vinnitsa apparently, have agreed to leave the oblast tomorrow.

A couple hundreds rally in front of Interior Ministry HQ in Lugansk demanding to surrender.. Live.

http://rt.com/on-air/protesters-seize-building-ukraine/

Maaaan, that Kiev livestream is weird......
looks like Kiev maidanuts want the "power" they were promised on Maidan
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/live-action-spilno-tv

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1OU5_nxBnGs

- Are you GRU agent? Of course not. I am length reservist.
- How was created "Donbas Peoples Militia"? It was created without my involvement, locally. He was part of Crimean militia, and people from East Ukraine who seen or participated in Crimean actions called him to assist them.
- Who are the "Donbass People militia" currently? Locals, Crimeans? 90% locals, 5% Russians with Ukrainian origin, 5% "refugees" from other Ukraine regions (i.e. Berkut from west for example) Wide geography from all ukraine, not justeast.
- There are a lots of volonteurs willing to arrive there and join Militia actively as soon as there will be possibility to equip/arm them. Currently there is no such possibility, resources are sc****.
- Is it russian intervention? Of course not. Majority of local people are categorically against new Kiev goverement rulling their lands. There are many political views and understanding of situation regardless status of region, politics etc .- what unites people is hate for Kievan Junta.
- All those weeks you were in negotiations with Kievan armed forces, are they ready to fight you? No, they dont have motivation for that. They dont trust new goverment, they are supplied terribly, and even if some of them arrive with radical views from the west, they quickly understand that situation is there not like Kiev painted it and local population supports insurgents, which quite negatively affects troops morale.
- What forces are gathered around Slavyansk atm to fight you? 25th VDV brigade on block posts, covering SBU. 95th Brigade with mostly western Ukrainian crew, blocking from west. NaziGuard around 150 people in Kramatorsk Airport, 1 alfha team there as well. Omega in Kramatorsk. A lot of police forced to come here from different Ukraine regions and of which another force was formed - those are ones in black uniform on block posts. Overall 2-2500 people around the town - thats the most active part of overall 15k men group deployed in the region. Around 100 armored vechicles, 20 Helicopters (thats for region, not just Slavyansk)
- Looks as if Slavyansk totally blocked, yet somehow you managed to take over Konstantinovka recently? How come? Thats because army is not willing to fight, they perfectly understand citizens are against them. So against rebels, usually only special forces are used or NazGuard volonteurs. Thats only around 15-20% of forces actually deployed around town. Despite number and arms advantage over rebels, Kiev troops understand that in actual active confrontation they inevitably would suffer some losses, and thus are not motivated to engage when moral is so low.
-Kiev troops are aggrevated that rebels dont engage them in open somewhere in clear field but stay in towns where population supports them. Strelkov says they understnad the situation and are not that dumb to go out somewhere where they can be just hit with Grad or Helicopters or something, forcing actual fights on equal ground.
- He says its impossible to block the town completely, so blockade is largely pointless. To block it, they`d need to dig trenches and deploy tripple number of people they have atm. There are many forests in the area, allowing hidden move of rebel groups.
- You are being called terrorist by Kiev. When you talk about "capturing enemy combatants" - Alfa, Dnepr-2, German military specialists and other OSCE monitors - are those for you "enemy captives"? What for are you holding them? About foreign observers - i am still not sure what they forgot here and how they arrived here. They also came here together with Ukraine military representatives. So we consider them as people who are on side of enemy. We dont particularly have goals to hold them atm, but if Kiev calls us terrorists (let alone recognize us as proper combatants which Kiev would never do), at very least there should be some negotiations/diplomatic attempts with us? So far however, not a singke Kiev representative contacted us or tried to negotiate anything or settle the situation. Not even about releasing their own people (Captured Alfa etc.) - there was not a single call, not single suggestion to exchange them or even interest from Kiev how they are doing. Looks as if Ukraine side just consider those troops "losses" and does not care about their destiny. Similar situation with OSCE observers - he is ready to release them, but theres no one who even tried to talk/negotiate about it. For example i release them right now - should i just kick them in back until next Ukrainian block post? Should they least not care about to pick them up themselves? Or should i create whole delegation of my people and kindly deliver them to nearest Block post? I am waiting at least for any contact, suggestion from Kiev/other side. I`d be ready to even negotiate with russian representative willing to resolve the situation - but theres none, neither from russian, ukrainian or other side. Anyone official, least come and tell "please let those people go".
- How are your relations with DNR structures and Lugansk? Hard right now. My troops are still not in Donezk, and local groups are on their own or organizing separately. We prepare for referendum atm at our controlled town. We have requests from Donezk to send some people, but we atm dont have enougth forces, yet - to effectively do it.
- Why Slavyansk? Random. Once arrived there, there was talks with local activists and it turned out theres great support here, so we decided to stay here. Other towns suggested themselves too, but did not had such big support/ready organization.
- Whats end goal for Donbass? Its not question for me. My goal is that people will be able to realize their right to express their concerns and vote, and decide by themselves.\====================


http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/ntv/14201556/1059278/1059278_original.jpg

KomissarBojanchev wrote:

Regular wrote:

arpakola wrote:Pro Russian separatists, beat pro Ukraine protesters in Donetsk.

Haha:) Nice. They should be afraid to show ukrainian flags in the streets.

Are you an idiot? These actions will only fuck up their reputation even more, and its complete idiocy to go down to rights ector's level.

i agree with KommissarBojanchev, while i have no sympathy for Right Sector or any Neo-Nazi U.S backed groups in Kiev. but i do not agree with clubbing people to near death while down on the ground. and move to the same low as the Kiev scumbag groups.

to stand up for yourself and defend yourself i fully understand. but its basically beating the shit out of your political opponent as its potrayed in the picture. its a thing that only will light escalation more.

Austin wrote:CrossTalk: Containment 2.0? (ft. Stephen Cohen & John Mearsheimer)

i saw the episode,

but i honestly actually wonder how many NATO soldiers today are willing to millitarily activate against Russia. ever since Iraq and Afghanistan European millitary personell has grown more and more distrusting towards U.S policy and their (amateur) millitary.

politicians may say "our armies are ready". but i hear enough guys say that comes down to "yeah, who trusts the Yanks after two wars that where lies when we arrived?".

reading Ukrainian forums and press, can't fail to notice how general rhetorics of those maidanuts changed:
Not long ago it was "Bloody Vlad the impaler is stealing our precious regions"
And now it's like "F$ck those regions full of drunken criminals, we don't need them in our future bright EU Sobornaya Ukraine" and "Those Tourchinov, Avakov doing nothing, bloody agents of Putin!"
It's a guilty pleasure to look at this internet social panopticon. So random...

Might as well.

http://rt.com/news/155748-rally-kiev-massive-fight/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome  

Far-right rally turns into massive fight on Kiev’s Maidan, shots heard (PHOTOS)

i guess the coup-regime is starting to collapse in on itself?.