The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

Here's an image relating to the recent "pro-volunteer" rally in Lviv/Lvov:

magnumcromagnon wrote:Here's an image relating to the recent "pro-volunteer" rally in Lviv/Lvov:

I don't think the right wing radicals from LVIV are nazis at all ,they are brainwashed idiots. With a distorted view
of What Nazism was. I don't think that if Hitler reincarnated in today times he will have joined any of the right wing ultra nationalist parties
in Ukraine that claim to be Nazis.If hitler was alive ,will have seen the Euromaidans as enemies too. He was consumed by his hate for the west and became a madman yes..but he wanted Power for Germans.,not slavery or a colony. The Euromaidans today are mostly Poles that Hitler invaded . He also hated with passion the Americans and The British and France for their decades of sanctions that starved millions of Germans to death. Jews he also hated not because of their religion or race ,but because they (just like today) Jews back then controlled the western Banking system ,the media  ,including Germany banks and media and they were manipulating their economy trying to collapse it ,and Jews even declared a boycott worldwide to all Germany products. In short the zionist Countries.. US-UK-France lead by the Jews allied to starve to death Germany and break their economy. (Any coincidence with what happens today with western sanctions against Russia and IRAN is mere "coincidence" ) . In short the west was afraid of Germany becoming to strong and declared an economic war on germany. So if Hitler was alive today ,he will vomit at the idea of joining NATO and Israel and becoming a colony of US and UK and France that were their mortal enemies.  Simply US_UK and France wanted to break in million of parts Germany and had a real economic criminal war on germany that was killing millions of them of poverty and lack of food. And the jews rich bankers ,were stealing Germany lands for free ,by manipulating their currency.  So all said..there was no Good guys in world war 2..  Staling was not Good , Hitler neither ,American Government that dropped 2 atomic bombs in japan neither ,Neither UK or France or the Jewish Bankers that killed millions of Germans women and children with their criminal sanctions against their nations ,with the only aim (just like today sanctions against Russia) to collapse their economy in hopes to not have to fight them with their armies. So they used their control of the world economy as a weapon to destroy nations . No Good Guys.. but in the case of Hitler his hate for the globalist of the west and Communist jews was well justified. The globalist simply didn't wanted a strong Germany in Europe with full independence ,that could put in danger the western world empire. In fact zionist jews helped Hitler to reach power an d financed his war in Europe. Their intention was to use HItler to fight the soviets that were also getting too powerful and kill 2 birds with one shot. They however miscalculated The powerful army Hitler raised.


So what you have in Ukraine now.. the ultra right wing radicals is an insult to what Hitler fought. Is not Hitler Nazism. but Rusopobism ,is a CIA brainwash project to promote Rusophobia in all europe and made it impossible for Russia to ever have an alliance with Europe.. that will be the end of US NATO project and its empire.. Ukraine neonazis are racist faction that is only hostile to the east and not to the west. A re-invention of Nazism that is friendly to the western mortal enemies that hitler had. Friendly to the Americans Global Empire and Zionism and that have no problem with ukraine becoming a US colony. So that said there was no good guys in World war 2.. the second world war was provoked by US -UK and France with Zionist Jews bankers. Is not coincidence the same western factions that provoked world war 2.. are now using similar tactics but now against Russia. to provoke Russia into a major war in Europe and totally isolate them economically ,while US watch the Russian economy to collapse . And just to repeat..
Before any genius say im defending Hitler.. which is not. There was no good guys in world war 2..  and the world war 2 first shots..that killed millions of people came not from Hitler.. but from the Globalist Mafia of the west with their criminals sanctions on Germany ,that starved to death millions germans and that today in modern times they still exist and are using similar tactics to provoke a world war 3 but this time against Russia,by trying to isolate Russia economically. Today NeoNazis are just brainwashed idiots paid by western intelligence agencies and do not understand the evil ,that hitler was fighting and still today exist. Hitler was fighting the NeoCons/Zionist jews world empire. And this is what Russia is fighting today.. the NeoCons and zionism one world empire..its military wing is called NATO today. surprise surprise. This is why the euromaidas are called NEO+nazis.. is a new distortion a new version of Nazism that is friendly to NATO.

the following video explain how world war 2 was crafted by the zionist jewish bankers that .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vfdZtpx_ug

Government building occupied in Eastern Ukraine


Lugansk









Konstantinovka >>






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ΤHE UNFORGETABLE !!!!!!!!!!! THE ONE AND ONLY ...
http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2013-12-07T144055Z_2120881060_GM1E9C71QXT01_RTRMADP_3_UKRAINE-PROTESTS.JPG
“Ukrainian triumph will put an end to the era of Vladimir Putin and it will start here, on this very square,” he said.
“I am Georgian, I am Ukrainian, therefore I am European,” he said.

ΚΙEV...

Ukraine's top priority is to prevent the spread of terrorism "

Ukraine's main priority is to prevent the spread of terrorism "from a dozen cities, under the control of pro-Russian separatists on Wednesday during the ministerial meeting, said the country's interim president Oleksandr Turčynov.

"Our number one job is to prevent the spread of terrorism in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions to other regions of Ukraine", - he said, emphasizing on Tuesday announced steps to set up and armed civilians "territorial volunteer militia" troops in the east of the country, which would help the militia and army.

http://www.delfi.lt/news/daily/world/ukrainos-prezidentas-pripazino-situacija-nekontroliuojama.d?id=64668571#ixzz30MbPXHh7

I think this means that Kiev pretty much gave up on people's republics and is going on defense.


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In Donetsk the MVD spetsnaz unit "sokol" was appearantly disarmed   
http://www.voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/v-donecke-opolchency-razoruzhili-boicov-.html

http://www.afp.com/en/news/east-ukraine-irregulars-sign-fight-rebels-and-russians
East Ukraine irregulars sign up to fight rebels and Russians..

It seems they are thinking to fully utilize the Right Sector boys..
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copied from Forum

To be honest after seeing what the oligarchs in Ukraine have done to the economy in the last 20 years, I rather have Ponomayrev the mayor of slovyansk that runs a soap factory and have golden teeth rule my town than people like Kolomojskij.  

 

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presidential election Dobkin campain .. as usual>>

http://partyofregions.ua/news/535fa873f620d2f70b0001c2

Михаил Добкин: В ближайшее время Политсовет ПАРТИИ РЕГИОНОВ примет решение о дальнейшем участии в избирательной кампании

В ближайшее время Политсовет ПАРТИИ РЕГИОНОВ примет решение о дальнейшем участии в избирательной кампании. Об этом в ходе пресс-конференции в Харькове во вторник, 29 апреля, заявил кандидат на пост Президента Украины от ПАРТИИ РЕГИОНОВ Михаил Добкин.
«То, что произошло в Херсоне, на сегодняшний момент окончательно убедило меня и моих товарищей в руководстве ПАРТИИ РЕГИОНОВ, что определенная группа экстремистов, хорошо организованная и оплаченная, передвигается за мной по разным регионам как за кандидатом в Президенты Украины. Они имеют устойчивый костяк внутри, к ним присоединяются представители тех регионов, куда я приезжаю, но цель у них одна – физически, информационно не допустить встреч с избирателями и фактически сорвать ход избирательной кампании. Их задача – сорвать выборы. Они делают все для того, чтобы один из кандидатов в президенты снялся с выборов и заявил о том, что выборы в Украине провести невозможно, потому что условия у кандидатов абсолютно неравные. Однозначно идет сегодня работа на срыв избирательной кампании», - сказал Михаил Добкин.
По его мнению, все указывает на то, что это спланированные действия одного из кандидатов в Президенты Украины, который не способен победить на этих выборах, но сняться сам не может: «Вот он и заказывает, и оплачивает ту «музыку», которая заставит сняться и сорвать эти выборы кого-нибудь другого, чтобы перенести их на более поздний срок или вообще отменить. Чтобы еще больше запутать и без того запутанную ситуацию внутри нашей страны».
Однако сегодня сняться с выборов – это значит подыграть тем, кто не хочет стабильной ситуации в нашей стране. «Поэтому мы будем детально изучать ситуацию, просчитывать все варианты и последствия нашего решения, но оставляем за собой право принять любое решение», - подчеркнул кандидат в Президенты Украины.
- See more at: http://partyofregions.ua/news/535fa873f620d2f70b0001c2#sthash.vT3BZxnW.dpuf

Pro-Russian activists attach St George ribbons, their symbol, to the uniform of police officials.. as the police does not confronts the Federalists in Luhansk on Tuesday.

Ukrainian police have abandoned their regional headquarters in the eastern city of Luhansk to pro-Russia protesters who seized the city's regional headquarters on Tuesday. [Photo:AP/Caption:AFP]

Alleged OSCE Observers Held in Slavyansk by Pro-Russian Forces Are Active Duty NATO Military Officers Out of Uniform, Many from Geilenkirchen Intelligence Base Where Awacs Are Flown; Visit Was Sponsored by German Defense Ministry, Which Is Pressuring Osce To Keep Up Attempted Camouflage of Possible Spy Mission-or Worse

Press TV: Now looking at the current events with OSCE observers, it goes to show the level of mistrust people in eastern and southern Ukraine have with regards to anything connected with Europe. How do you see the role they are playing?

Tarpley: I would have to say first of all, we should stop calling them OSCE observers because all indications are that they are not. That is what the OSCE has been saying continuously since this started and you can see it on their website. There are basically two versions. The Western media say OSCE observers, but the mayor Mr. [Vyacheslav] Ponomaryov, the pro-Russian mayor of Slavyansk, knows them as spies. I’m afraid reality seems to be going in the direction of Mr. Ponomareyov.

These are active-duty NATO military officers. They are four from Germany, one from Sweden, the Czech Republic, Denmark, and Poland. All NATO or European Union (EU).

The German officers come from a place called Geilenkirchen, which is a very important NATO base. This is where the AWACS planes are flown from. It’s one of the big NATO reconnaissance centers and they particularly belong to a unit of the German army, the Bundeswehr, which is called the center for enforcement or verification tasks. In other words, it’s military intelligence. What seems also to be the case, is that they were accompanied by five active-duty Ukrainian officers of the pro-Kiev forces, the ones that are controlled by the regime.

The complicating factor is they were riding around in OSCE vehicles. They were in a bus that seems to have been displaying OSCE markings. Now, when they were captured, there was obviously tremendous pressure exercised by the German Defense Ministry and the whole NATO apparatus on the OSCE to play along with this charade, pretending that they were sent by the OSCE, but it hasn’t worked.

On Friday evening in Vienna, on the first program of the Austrian television, Claus Neukirch, a high-ranking official of the OSCE, said this was not our group, not our visit, we were not the ones who did it. This is also admitted on the Deutsche Welle. Deutsche Welle is the international TV and radio of the German Foreign Ministry.

All of this exists really only in German, so today, the Ukrainian foreign minister struggling to keep up this fakery to maintain the camouflage, the Ukrainian foreign minister said, “oh, the Secretary General of the OSCE will be arriving here in order to begin negotiations or to take them over.” Very wisely the secretary general of the OSCE, an Italian diplomat named Lamberto Zannier, said “no, I’m not going.” He was very well advised not to go. Who knows what would happen to him if he got there?

The fact is that for the first couple of days, negotiations were conducted exclusively by the German Defense Ministry, who were the people that made the deal with Kiev to send these people in. This was embarrassing that the German Defense Ministry leaned on the OSCE to say “why don’t you go in and negotiate,” which the OSCE I think unwisely did.

I would say to Mr. Zannier, don’t go to Ukraine, rather you should denounce the abuse and perversion of an OSCE vehicle in the name of the OSCE by what is in fact NATO military intelligence, and if you’re caught behind military lines with no uniform, that’s sometimes called espionage, whether that’s the current situation or not, it’s not clear, but I would urge everyone to stop referring to them as OSCE observers, they are NATO military officers.

Hmmmm..... Wont surprise me if the pro russian forces just make this up about the nato spies ....dont trust them, and dont believe them at all.

Flyingdutchman wrote:Hmmmm..... Wont surprise me if the pro russian forces just make this up about the nato spies ....dont trust them, and dont believe them at all.

Wow what stupid attitude is that?

USA is already known to use organisations such as Human Rights Watch or the IAEA when they were preassured to publish secret information about Irans nuclear facilities and the reports where faked by USA/Israel from non nuclear weapon enrichment to 75% enrichment.

USA uses Nobel prize as propaganda tool, HRW, OSCE like they faked OSCE reports in Serbia which were faked from 37 deads they made a huge story out of it that Serbians are genociding Albanians in a stadium and more bullshit.

Flyingdutchman wrote:Hmmmm..... Wont surprise me if the pro russian forces just make this up about the nato spies ....dont trust them, and dont believe them at all.

Do you have a reading deficiency problem or something?!

It's an interview on Iranian PressTV with Webster Tarpley. Not with the 'pro-Russian forces' that you don't trust.

Further more, was the following paragraph not clear enough for you:

Austrian OSCE member wrote:On Friday evening in Vienna, on the first program of the Austrian television, Claus Neukirch, a high-ranking official of the OSCE, said this was not our group, not our visit, we were not the ones who did it. This is also admitted on the Deutsche Welle. Deutsche Welle is the international TV and radio of the German Foreign Ministry.

Give credit where credit is due...You may not trust PressTV, you may not trust Webster Tarpley, or you may not trust this OSCE Claus Neukirch chap, or you may distrust every single one of them, but don't push that propaganda stuff here, we get more than enough from 'the free media'.

They're right.
The very fact that there was allegedly two parallel running OSCE missions, makes this seem pretty suspicious.

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Pretty interesting development:

In Evpatoria create Coordinating Council Novorossia
At the meeting, the leaders of the south- eastern part of Ukraine in the Crimea are going to choose the backbone of the future council and its chairman.

In Evpatoria begins gathering leaders southeastern Ukraine. They will talk again about " New Russia " and a possible merger , as well as discuss their next steps .

The discussion will Coordination Council Novorossia selected its backbone and chairman .

The meeting place for security purposes until recently was kept secret , and while constantly postponed . Full details of the event and the list of participants kept a closely guarded secret .

Attending the meeting were the "people's governor " Luhansk region Valery Bolotov, deputy Oleg Tsarev, head of the People's Republic of Donetsk Denis Pushilin leader Nicholas branch of the party " Russian bloc" and others.

Activists are sure to confront security forces action , we need a clear organization , so the Congress plan to establish a Coordinating Council of New Russia . Under this name can unite the People's Republic , the vote of their residents .

Flyingdutchman wrote:Hmmmm..... Wont surprise me if the pro russian forces just make this up about the nato spies ....dont trust them, and dont believe them at all.

Obviously you missed my post with the image of OSCE's official twitter page, were they debunked the claim that those were OSCE members, and they already pointed out that those were active duty NATO military officers.:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Flyingdutchman wrote:Hmmmm..... Wont surprise me if the pro russian forces just make this up about the nato spies ....dont trust them, and dont believe them at all.

Obviously you missed my post with the image of OSCE's official twitter page, were they debunked the claim that those were OSCE members, and they already pointed out that those were active duty NATO military officers.:

Yes i missed it i am sorry.

On a tactical thing, suppose Lugansk and Donetsk leave Russia, as the Crimea has done..
Doesnt that leave the rest of the RUssia leaning areas with less support?
I'm thinking Kharkov, Odessa and all the S East. Even the contested area of Kiev.

Its all a bit unclear. I mean, some want to absolutely rejoin Russia. Others thing that a federal Ukraine will mean they are effectively in Russia. BUT they have more leverage over other federal states in the Ukraine.

Its interesting to note that the Lugansk and Donetsk protests seem to be going v well. The Odessa and Kharkiv/ other areas are a little way behind. Will they develop after mid May's possible referendums or what?

Maybe the Euromaiden nuts and Right/Shite Sector will cancel each other out, and a more Russia leaning bloc can start winning over much of the country?

[quote="Flyingdutchman"]

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Flyingdutchman wrote:Hmmmm..... Wont surprise me if the pro russian forces just make this up about the nato spies ....dont trust them, and dont believe them at all.

Obviously you missed my post with the image of OSCE's official twitter page, were they debunked the claim that those were OSCE members, and they already pointed out that those were active duty NATO military officers.:

Yes i missed it i am sorry.

Can someone remove that negative vote please i missed magnumcromagnon's post.

I think the major goal of US and NATO at the moment is to secure the southwest of Ukraine
Odessa ,Mylolaiv and Kherson.. Once Pro Russian protesters and local forces capture it fully ..armed with anti tank weapons . it will be impossible for NATO to enter there without going into a war ,or to have any port in Ukraine for their navies ,in the south of Ukraine or conduct any provocation to Russia or put at risk the Naval base in Crimea. For now.. Russia needs to keep things undercover as much as possible , and to use those forces to prepare an entry of their army safely in case they forced to enter to restore order.

So how many times have I said that I really and truly respect Sergey Lavrov?!
Can't think of a better FM of any country, ever!
Nevermind...
Here's an excellent reply to a foreign journalist, given in Chile (of all countries):
It's from TASS, but I'll paste it in full

TASS wrote:
US cares not about Ukraine, seeks to show it decides how things must go - FM
“These are outlived mentality and logic", Lavrov said

SANTIAGO, April 30 /ITAR-TASS/. The United States does not care about Ukraine and its future, but it is seeking to show that things must go the way Washington says, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said after talks with his Chilean colleague Heraldo Munoz on Wednesday, April 30.

“If the crisis in Ukraine is seen by your agency as a Russian-American confrоntation, that’s sad,” Lavrov said, replying to a question from a Western journalist. “Unfortunately, the information machine of our Western colleague is running in high gear. Such a deflection of the public opinion and the Americans want to achieve it not because they care about Ukraine but because they are seeking to prove that things must go everywhere and all the time only as they decide,” the minister said.

“These are outlived mentality and logic. Americans won’t go far with it and they are already marking time. Hence the sanctions, brought about by their anger and largely senseless. We are not going to copy them and want to give our partners a chance to calm down at this point. And then we’ll see. If their unfounded sermons to Russia continue, if attempts are made to use economic levers against us, then we will take a closer look at the situation,” Lavrov said.

“Instead of getting carried away by sanctions, our overseas colleagues should better be disciplining those whom they have brought to power - those who have proclaimed themselves the winners of a democratic revolution by overthrowing a legitimate president and breaking the agreement of February 21. The parliament has not fulfilled any of those obligations and is leaning on a coalition that includes downright radicals and extremists who were condemned, including by the European Union, in 2012 when the Svoboda party was for the first time elected to parliament. The Europeans shyly prefer not to remember that now and are basically cooperating with these people,” the minister said.

What an effin' move!

Тихий Дон
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0384712/

          The novel deals with the life of the Cossacks living in the Don River valley during the early 20th century, probably around 1912, just prior to World War I. The plot revolves around the Melekhov family of Tatarsk, who are descendants of a cossack who, to the horror of many, took a Turkish captive as a wife during the Crimean War. Accused of witchcraft by Melekhov's superstitious neighbors, they attempt to kill her but are fought off by her husband. Their descendants, the son and grandsons, who are the protagonists of the story, are therefore often nicknamed "Turks". Nevertheless, they command a high amount of respect among people in Tatarsk.[citation needed]

The second eldest son, Grigori Panteleevich Melekhov, is a promising young soldier who falls in love with Aksinia, the wife of Stepan Astakhov, a family friend. There is no love between them and Stepan regularly beats her. Grigori and Aksinia's romance and elopement raises a feud between her husband and his family. The outcome of this romance is the focus of the plot as well as the impending World and Civil Wars which draw up the best young Cossack men for what will be two of Russia's bloodiest wars. The action moves to the Austro-Hungarian front, where Grigory ends up saving Stepan's life, but that doesn't end the feud. Grigory, at his father's insistence, takes a wife, Natalya, but still loves Aksinia. The book deals not only with the struggles and suffering of the Cossacks but also the landscape itself, which is vividly brought to life    

macedonian wrote:So how many times have I said that I really and truly respect Sergey Lavrov?!
Can't think of a better FM of any country, ever!
Nevermind...
Here's an excellent reply to a foreign journalist, given in Chile (of all countries):
It's from TASS, but I'll paste it in full

TASS wrote:
US cares not about Ukraine, seeks to show it decides how things must go - FM
“These are outlived mentality and logic", Lavrov said

SANTIAGO, April 30 /ITAR-TASS/. The United States does not care about Ukraine and its future, but it is seeking to show that things must go the way Washington says, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said after talks with his Chilean colleague Heraldo Munoz on Wednesday, April 30.

“If the crisis in Ukraine is seen by your agency as a Russian-American confrоntation, that’s sad,” Lavrov said, replying to a question from a Western journalist. “Unfortunately, the information machine of our Western colleague is running in high gear. Such a deflection of the public opinion and the Americans want to achieve it not because they care about Ukraine but because they are seeking to prove that things must go everywhere and all the time only as they decide,” the minister said.

“These are outlived mentality and logic. Americans won’t go far with it and they are already marking time. Hence the sanctions, brought about by their anger and largely senseless. We are not going to copy them and want to give our partners a chance to calm down at this point. And then we’ll see. If their unfounded sermons to Russia continue, if attempts are made to use economic levers against us, then we will take a closer look at the situation,” Lavrov said.

“Instead of getting carried away by sanctions, our overseas colleagues should better be disciplining those whom they have brought to power - those who have proclaimed themselves the winners of a democratic revolution by overthrowing a legitimate president and breaking the agreement of February 21. The parliament has not fulfilled any of those obligations and is leaning on a coalition that includes downright radicals and extremists who were condemned, including by the European Union, in 2012 when the Svoboda party was for the first time elected to parliament. The Europeans shyly prefer not to remember that now and are basically cooperating with these people,” the minister said.

What an effin' move!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Gromyko   ???

IMF approved the $17B loan.

It is to help pay off their previous loan from IMF!

LOL

sepheronx wrote:IMF approved the $17B loan.

It is to help pay off their previous loan from IMF!

LOL

Does IMF have that kind of money, or IMF borrows it first from, let's say, Russia?

Would IMF then "give" the money to Ukraine to "pay off" the previous IMF loan to Ukraine, so that then IMF can pay off their previous loan that they had gotten from Russia, in the "first" place to give Ukraine their first load?

Is that how it works, or there is more to it?

It is too late and it will take time to explain but in a nutshell IMF goes in a country which is bankrupt and owns money to countries and organizations closely related to the fund and what it does is very simple. Gives barely enough volatility and the guarantees the economy needs to hold on debt instead of defaulting because in case you default there ain't any money for your creditors to get back. So perpetuates a bankrupt condition trying to buy time and exchanging old loans with new ones with harsh guarantees that they will repaid.

Obviously it is well known to everybody that you can't repay your debts, IMF has no illusions. They just step in to take whatever can be taken to cut the loses and restrict the demand for new loans with extreme austerity. It's important to remember here, IMF has no obligations to improve the macroeconomics of the countries where involves and has no illusions whatsoever. Steps in when you are finished to prevent you from doing the only logical move in your situation aka to default on your debts. Nothing more nothing less. In doing so implements a wide variety of policies and stratagems to manipulate the situation of it's victims which varies little from country to country.

And this is why I never want to see Russia obtain any loans from IMF anytime at all. I think they are better off using reserve funds to build infrastructure and allow privatization of the economy, while holding onto strategic industries, to fend off its slowing economics. At least people will work, no strings attached, and money stays within.

Now all Rus gov has to do, is get off its ass, and start getting to work on a proper banking system and do a 5 year like plan for heavy and light industries, but get the private individuals to actually involved.

I am sick of hearing about sanctions. Saying it is for invasion of Crimea, when people wanted it there. Yet, where are sanctions on US over invasion of Iraq? I hate this part of the world, people here are so bloody hypocritical to the extreme, that it actually makes me sick.

I really hope Russian government gets off their ass, and instead of looking to do something, they actually do something like actually force build infrastructure, like China does. It sure works for them.