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Russia should have used artillery instead of jets near the Turkish border. Smerch can shoot 90 km. Using Smerch would have been a lot safer than using jets.
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Syrian Civil War: News #4
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Does Russia want to avoid civilian casualties or why is artillery not used?ultron wrote:Russia should have used artillery instead of jets near the Turkish border. Smerch can shoot 90 km. Using Smerch would have been a lot safer than using jets.
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Karl Haushofer wrote:Does Russia want to avoid civilian casualties or why is artillery not used?ultron wrote:Russia should have used artillery instead of jets near the Turkish border. Smerch can shoot 90 km. Using Smerch would have been a lot safer than using jets.
Putin said no ground forces although that has changed today.
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Hassan Ridha @sayed_ridha 5h5 hours ago
#SAA #NDF in #Maheen #Homs
Aren't these the newly delivered T-72s?
They have already lost side skirts in the counter terrorist ops and looks they lead from the front taking the strikes by the terrorists.
#SAA #NDF in #Maheen #Homs
Aren't these the newly delivered T-72s?
They have already lost side skirts in the counter terrorist ops and looks they lead from the front taking the strikes by the terrorists.
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Hope this has been posted. Russian T-90s in Aleppo
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Russia must deploy ground forces or else this war will not end next year.
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Yes, twiceDima wrote:Hope this has been posted. Russian T-90s in Aleppo
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Iraqi Hezbollah in southern Aleppo
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Karl Haushofer wrote:Does Russia want to avoid civilian casualties or why is artillery not used?ultron wrote:Russia should have used artillery instead of jets near the Turkish border. Smerch can shoot 90 km. Using Smerch would have been a lot safer than using jets.
i totally agree with the above, Russia has loads of artillery it could use for situations nearer the border, Russia could deploy/donate huge quantities of artillery etc in Syria, a list is the following that they have in reserve that would prove useful.
reserve numbers
towed artillery
MT-12 Rapira 100mm = est 6,000 ( could also be useful as direct fire anti tank role with the different types of shells available)
D-30 122mm = 1,300
M-46 130mm = (unknown number)
2A65 Msta-B 152mm = 600
2A36 Giatsint-B 152mm = 1,000
S-23 180mm = (unknown) (would be nice to see this in action)
SP Artillery
2S1 122mm = 1,400
2S3 152mm= 1,600
2S5 Giatsint-S 152mm = 500
2S7 Pion 203mm = (unknown) (would be nice to see this in action)
2S4 Tyulpan 240mm mortar = 120 (would be nice to see this in action)
MLRS
BM-21 Grad 122mm = 2,200
BM-27 Uragan 220mm = 90
BM-30 Smerch 300mm = 100
and this is just reserve numbers,
along with this they could also deploy
2S19 Msta-S
2S23 Nona-SVK
2S34 Chosta
2S24 (MT-LB armed with 82mm automatic mortar system)
2S9 Nona
TOS-1A
Tochka
Iskander (think its about time and lets see Turkey try and shoot these down)
they could also start to deploy anti tank systems such as
MT-LB armed with AT-6 Shturm orAT-14 Kornet (although AT-6 would be cheaper option for taking out enemy positions and slightly better range than TOW)
BRDM-2 armed with AT-4/AT-5/AT-6,
BMP-3 armed Kornet-T
these systems would allow Russian ground troops to deploy and target the enemy without any real risk apart from maybe the anti tank troops.
on the plus side as well some of majority of this equipment could also be used my SAA and some could even be left to the SAA after the war, especially the older stuff savint them the hassle of transporting it back. It would get rid of some of the older ammo in storage like 100mm HE-Frag, and 130mm, and 180mm shells.
by using these systems Turkey wouldn't stand a chance to shoot them down and Russia can save the Air bombing campaign in areas futher away from the border.
but they also need to deploy SA-8, SA-13, BUK, TOR, S-300, Pantsir, and Tunguska systems near the borders next to Turkey and Israel, and shoot without mercy at any aircraft.
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You can argue that russia should have used artillery before today, but after turkeys act of war today that is simply not possible.
Anything less than a continuation or an increase of russian air activity on turkeys border will be seen as russia backing down. It would set a precedent that nato and any other entities in the anti-russia camp will learn from and try to follow suit. Russia has to be strong here and lay the law down. Otherwise they might as well pack up and go home, disband the government and allow its leaders to be picked by washington.
Russia should continue as before, but ensure that this doesnt happen again, or at the least if it does happen again that the turkish aircraft also goes down in flames.
Anything less than a continuation or an increase of russian air activity on turkeys border will be seen as russia backing down. It would set a precedent that nato and any other entities in the anti-russia camp will learn from and try to follow suit. Russia has to be strong here and lay the law down. Otherwise they might as well pack up and go home, disband the government and allow its leaders to be picked by washington.
Russia should continue as before, but ensure that this doesnt happen again, or at the least if it does happen again that the turkish aircraft also goes down in flames.
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US-backed forces have right to self-defense, but others do not': State Dept. spox
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Sputnik wrote:Russia is ready to discuss a deal with NATO to prevent air accidents, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said Wednesday after meeting US Undersecretary of State Rose Gottemoeller in New York.
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/politics/20151125/1030704399/russia-nato-air-security.html#ixzz3sTNWymVN
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Basically the U.S. State Department is dodging the question, as always.
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S-400/300, Kursha-4 and FOAB for fuck sake! No other way to put dogs where they belong.
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Werewolf wrote:S-400/300, Kursha-4 and FOAB for fuck sake! No other way to put dogs where they belong.
Probably the Kurds are eager to be the avenger for Russia.
http://warfiles.ru/show-101010-kurdy-obeschayut-otomstit-za-rossiyskih-pilotov-i-ustroit-erdoganu-bespoletnuyu-zonu.html
It is clear that Erdogan is pushing Russia closer to the Kurds, and there will be nasty consequences for Ankara.
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Rodinazombie wrote:You can argue that russia should have used artillery before today, but after turkeys act of war today that is simply not possible.
Anything less than a continuation or an increase of russian air activity on turkeys border will be seen as russia backing down. It would set a precedent that nato and any other entities in the anti-russia camp will learn from and try to follow suit. Russia has to be strong here and lay the law down. Otherwise they might as well pack up and go home, disband the government and allow its leaders to be picked by washington.
Russia should continue as before, but ensure that this doesnt happen again, or at the least if it does happen again that the turkish aircraft also goes down in flames.
I agree that the bombing campaign should continue but i also agree (if you see my post further up the page), that they should now also bring in artillery to intensify the campaign because right now progress is slowing down, latakia, North & north east hama, northern and east homs have slowed down a lot and there needs to be big gains here to be successful but also need to keep SAA casualties down, even southern aleppo assault has slowed, think it might be time for some more foreign recruitment to help SAA, i really wish China would join the battle.
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I think SAA priority should be to establish control in the southern of country first and in all Damascus area. It has no meaning to fight in 2-3 fronts simultaneously. Then they will be able to concentrate in the north regions
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#Syria #Latakia Violent RuAF, SyAAF air raids this morning targeted towns near Salma
#Syria #Latakia Area's being Violent struck by RuAF SyAAF this morning
https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/669388012980187136
#Syria #Latakia Area's being Violent struck by RuAF SyAAF this morning
https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/669388012980187136
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Is ISIS good for the Jews? (Israel)
Take a look at who is really the so called moderates..FSA
and who their allies..
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d_taddei2 wrote:Karl Haushofer wrote:Does Russia want to avoid civilian casualties or why is artillery not used?ultron wrote:Russia should have used artillery instead of jets near the Turkish border. Smerch can shoot 90 km. Using Smerch would have been a lot safer than using jets.
i totally agree with the above, Russia has loads of artillery it could use for situations nearer the border, Russia could deploy/donate huge quantities of artillery etc in Syria, a list is the following that they have in reserve that would prove useful.
reserve numbers
towed artillery
MT-12 Rapira 100mm = est 6,000 ( could also be useful as direct fire anti tank role with the different types of shells available)
D-30 122mm = 1,300
M-46 130mm = (unknown number)
2A65 Msta-B 152mm = 600
2A36 Giatsint-B 152mm = 1,000
S-23 180mm = (unknown) (would be nice to see this in action)
SP Artillery
2S1 122mm = 1,400
2S3 152mm= 1,600
2S5 Giatsint-S 152mm = 500
2S7 Pion 203mm = (unknown) (would be nice to see this in action)
2S4 Tyulpan 240mm mortar = 120 (would be nice to see this in action)
MLRS
BM-21 Grad 122mm = 2,200
BM-27 Uragan 220mm = 90
BM-30 Smerch 300mm = 100
and this is just reserve numbers,
along with this they could also deploy
2S19 Msta-S
2S23 Nona-SVK
2S34 Chosta
2S24 (MT-LB armed with 82mm automatic mortar system)
2S9 Nona
TOS-1A
Tochka
Iskander (think its about time and lets see Turkey try and shoot these down)
they could also start to deploy anti tank systems such as
MT-LB armed with AT-6 Shturm orAT-14 Kornet (although AT-6 would be cheaper option for taking out enemy positions and slightly better range than TOW)
BRDM-2 armed with AT-4/AT-5/AT-6,
BMP-3 armed Kornet-T
these systems would allow Russian ground troops to deploy and target the enemy without any real risk apart from maybe the anti tank troops.
on the plus side as well some of majority of this equipment could also be used my SAA and some could even be left to the SAA after the war, especially the older stuff savint them the hassle of transporting it back. It would get rid of some of the older ammo in storage like 100mm HE-Frag, and 130mm, and 180mm shells.
by using these systems Turkey wouldn't stand a chance to shoot them down and Russia can save the Air bombing campaign in areas futher away from the border.
but they also need to deploy SA-8, SA-13, BUK, TOR, S-300, Pantsir, and Tunguska systems near the borders next to Turkey and Israel, and shoot without mercy at any aircraft.
Indeed Russia have the world biggest arsenal of Artillery..more than
US and Europe combined.
They learned in world war 2 ,how effective can beto push back even the most powerful armies. So Russia on its motherland will be unbeatable
with the combination of large Artillery arsenal.. airforce and Big continent as land. and sharing a
border with China covering its rear.. lol
The problem however for Russia is projection.. it do not have the economy to deploy a large number of troops far from home. Also In Syria , Russia could not deploy a bullet proof air defense..because is a small land.. and to make things worse Assad only control less than half.
so it allows its enemies to fight from stand off position against Syria. if Syria controlled all its territory. Specially all its borders.. but today they control nothing like that.. so its own territory that is surrounded by powerful strong enemies is Syria biggest disadvantage. Because Russia cannot seal Syria airspace if less than half of the nation territory controlled and only 10% of its borders. So unless Russia retake the control of all Syrian territory or most of it.. specially all Turkey and Israel border. ,any air defense deployed will have holes and limits.
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Vann7 wrote:
Is ISIS good for the Jews? (Israel)
Take a look at who is really the so called moderates..FSA
and who their allies..
People are still to indoctrinated that jews are some victims and are just ignoring whenever jews do something bad and how many ties they have with jihadists and terrorism around the globe specially here even tho here are no barriers for discussion they still are to indoctrinated to even consider that jews could be fueling terrorism.
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Vann7 wrote:
Is ISIS good for the Jews? (Israel)
Now the Israelis are joining in! They don't want their buddy Erdogan to have all the fun!
Report: Israeli Airstrikes Kill 13 Along Syria-Lebanon Border
Eight Hezbollah Fighters, Five Troops Slain in Attack
According to reports out of the Syrian media, Israeli warplanes launched four airstrikes against a Hezbollah base in western Syria, along the Lebanon border, killing at least 13 people and wounding dozens of others.
The report identified the slain as eight Hezbollah fighters and five Syrian soldiers. No reason was given for the attack and, as with several previous Israeli attacks on Syria, there has been no formal statement from the Israeli military confirming the incident, let alone explaining it.
The previous attacks didn’t target stationary bases, however, and were explained away as targeting convoys Israel believed to be smuggling weapons to Hezbollah. Israeli officials have repeatedly said they will never allow Hezbollah to obtain certain advanced weapons.
If confirmed, these Monday evening attacks could raise tensions between Russia and Israel, as Russia has previously warned Israeli warplanes away from the Lebanese border for being too close to their own military operations inside Syria.
http://news.antiwar.com/2015/11/24/report-israeli-airstrikes-kill-13-along-syria-lebanon-border/
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Children At Risk Of Radicalization: #IslamicState (#ISIS) Terror Group Indoctrinating Camp In #Aleppo.
https://twitter.com/Terror_Monitor/status/667201810306867200
Turkey is bringing (abducted? sold?) Uighur children to Syria (Aleppo) and they get them radicalised.
As they settling Syria with Turkish populations? WTF is going on?
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Turkey is the gateway to all cancer into Syria. West knows this they pull a blind eye, I hope China joins in with Russia to stop this filth.
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US sanctions Syria for buying oil from Islamic State group
wow just wow, talking about going full retard
wow just wow, talking about going full retard