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    Syrian Civil War: News #4

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Sun Dec 06, 2015 9:15 am

    Akula971 wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Well, all of this talk about about England's or France's incursions into the Syrian airspace aren't necessarily true. ...

    Would you be so kind to tell me the real scenario then, all my sources are quoting each other and its a proper mess. If one bogus report is posted, even trusted sources started spewing them all over. For example, the Israeli incursion news came from a good Russian source lol.

    I mean Twitter is always 98% BS but now those guys are going over too. Its confusing to say the least. Can you please tell me what is NATO doing, if anything at all, in Syria. Thanks !  

    To be honest, it seems that, as we speak, the pace of the current world war is expectedly picking up. The first casualty of any war has been the truth; so for a war with the expected magnitude of the current world war, the decimation of the truth should be of really massive proportions. While for the past decades I have studied, ruminated, and talked about the current world war more than anybody else that I know of, I am very hesitant to talk extensively about the scenario that I envisage except for the odd snippets that I post every now and then.

    Edit: While a British air raid is "possible", why try to participate in an air raid when they can just claim that they have participated in one. Claiming is certainly more "possible" that "doing" it.
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    Post  Vann7 Sun Dec 06, 2015 9:45 am

    Akula971 wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Well, all of this talk about about England's or France's incursions into the Syrian airspace aren't necessarily true. ...

    Would you be so kind to tell me the real scenario then, all my sources are quoting each other and its a proper mess. If one bogus report is posted, even trusted sources started spewing them all over. For example, the Israeli incursion news came from a good Russian source lol.

    I mean Twitter is always 98% BS but now those guys are going over too. Its confusing to say the least. Can you please tell me what is NATO doing, if anything at all, in Syria. Thanks !  

    So far what is happening now ..is a testing game.. NATO is testing how far they can push in Syria
    without engaging into a direct war with Russia.. So no worries Neither France or UK or US will attack Russia.. the one to watch however is Turkey.. it could be used as the mad dog ,said in another way. you should be worried if NATO do not show up a day in Syria airspace. that will mean they expecting something really bad to happen.

    But so far no nato player is bombing Syrian government troops.. If that happens Russia will give an ultimatum that if ever happens again will start shooting down their planes. All this means that pretty much NATO is fucked in Syria it cannot impose a no fly zone there and remove Russia without starting world war 3 or without having to deal with S-400 missiles and others.

    There is one S-400 in latakia.. there is an S-300 in Moscow warship coast near Turkey border and Syria have Many decent air defenses like Buks and Pantsirs that can defend its capital etc.

    So Syrian air defenses are ok ,specially in nothern Syria. And it will only get better once they liberate Aleppo /Hama and homs. becuase will allow Russia to get a more deep and complex
    air defense network.


    What you need to remember is that the engagement rules for Syria is to try to avoid as much as possible any confrontation with NATO and Israel.. even if they sneak and bomb at times.. But if
    a major war start Syria do have S-200s that can reach 300km range and start shuting down
    nato planes or Israel. If a major war start Syria will NOT allow Israel or any NATO plane to get close to its airspace ,but now since they are busy fighting terrorist.. they avoid any confrontation with foreign powers.. and will only strike back if is the only way to save lives or if
    any plane try to bomb the government Buildings.. something that have not happened in 5 years of conflict.

    What is important to remember is that you need a lot more than one month of Airstrikes to
    defeat an army that is spread in all Syria. Russia for example have been bombing Syria for 1 month? and have not done enough damage to defeat ISIS.. only at best to hold their attacks and damage its supplies.So if Israel and Turkey start a full scale war ,lets say with 20-30 planes and invade Syria..all of them will be attacked or shotdown.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Dec 06, 2015 10:51 am

    Vann7 wrote: So far what is happening now ..is a testing game.. NATO is testing how far they can push in Syria
    without engaging into a direct war with Russia.. So no worries Neither France or UK or US will attack Russia.. the one to watch however is Turkey.. it could be used as the mad dog ,said in another way. you should be worried if NATO do not show up a day in Syria airspace. that will mean they expecting something really bad to happen.

    But so far no nato player is bombing Syrian government troops.. If that happens Russia will give an ultimatum that if ever happens again will start shooting down their planes. All this means that pretty much NATO is fucked in Syria it cannot impose a no fly zone there and remove Russia without starting world war 3 or without having to deal with S-400 missiles and others.

    There is one S-400 in latakia.. there is an S-300 in Moscow warship coast near Turkey border and Syria have Many decent air defenses like Buks and Pantsirs that can defend its capital etc.

    So Syrian air defenses are ok ,specially in nothern Syria. And it will only get better once they liberate Aleppo /Hama and homs. becuase will allow Russia to get a more deep and complex
    air defense network.


    What you need to remember is that the engagement rules for Syria is to try to avoid as much as possible any confrontation with NATO and Israel.. even if they sneak and bomb at times.. But if
    a major war start Syria do have S-200s that can reach 300km range and start shuting down
    nato planes or Israel. If a major war start Syria will NOT allow Israel or any NATO plane to get close to its airspace ,but now since they are busy fighting terrorist.. they avoid any confrontation with foreign powers.. and will only strike back if is the only way to save lives or if
    any plane try to bomb the government Buildings.. something that have not happened in 5 years of conflict.  

    What is important to remember is that you need a lot more than one month of Airstrikes to
    defeat an army that is spread in all Syria.  Russia for example have been bombing Syria for 1 month? and have not done enough damage to defeat ISIS.. only at best to hold their attacks and damage its supplies.So if Israel and Turkey start a full scale war ,lets say with 20-30 planes and invade Syria..all of them will be attacked or shotdown.  

    I do not think Turkey will directly attack Russia ever again. This would cause serious response not because of Turkey but to show NATO where the red line is.


    If Turkey would attack Russia it would not be 20-30 planes alone IMHO only much much more. My educated guess is there will be to push some Turkish troops ot Syria as "peacekeepers". You know Assad is not legitimate for criminal regimes in West. Thus they just protect willing turkey-men (or gey wolves) from Assad. Or better demanding from Iraqi govt broader Kurd autonomy (by Turks  Laughing ) but only ot keep US/Turkish forces there.

    And breed new terrorists to slaughter civilians in he name of democracy and values.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Dec 06, 2015 11:03 am

    Akula971 wrote:........

    I dont want Russia to shoot down their bombers. That is not what I am getting at. My point is - Russia imposed a De-Facto no fly zone over Syria. NATO intervention in Syria is illegal, Syrian government never asked NATO to intervene - its not 1999 anymore.

    Now with NATO sending ground troops - the region is going to get unnecessarily hot. And no, I dont want the balkanization of Syria either. What about Russian force projection ??

    Akula, Russia DID NOT impose no-fly zone over Syria, de-facto or real one.....yet.

    I will copy here my reply from other tread that covers this topic, to lazy to type:

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Couple of observations:

    1) Russia does not mind Turkey entering Syria, Russia WANTS Turkey to enter Syria because as of last weekend it's Turkey hunting season for VKS.

    2) The moment Iraq files request, Turks in Iraq get fried by VKS. Decision is up to Baghdad. But this is just cherry on top, secondary event...

    3) NATO can take over entire Kurd/Eastern Syria if they want to, it is just a empty wasteland. NATO wants coastline/West Syria because that is prime strategic real estate. But since Russia already called dibs on that part, NATO is sh*t out of luck.

    4) More Russian aircraft are to arrive and start ''working'' the ''rebels'' soon along with Iranians and Syrians will be getting fresh toys.

    5) Turks are now officially village idiots of NATO and middle east...

    So please, tone down the panic. Sleep

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t4711p825-russian-military-involvement-and-aid-to-syria-6#140706
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Dec 06, 2015 11:12 am

    USA "going to a hard decision" if Russia and Iran will "block the political process in Syria," said U.S. Secretary of state John Kerry.


    http://vz.ru/news/2015/12/5/782120.html

    "If Russia and Iran will stand by the unit and will allow Assad simply to doom the process to failure, we will know who is a problem. In this case, we will have fewer options for action, and we have to make some tough measures," he said at a U.S.-Israeli conference in Washington.
    Kerry stressed that the U.S. "cannot afford" such a development. In his words, "threaten the security of the United States and all countries in Europe", reports RIA "Novosti".
    "Europe is not only a threat in terms of what happened in Paris or anywhere else. It is a threat, because this migration (from the Middle East) can change European politics once and for all" – quoted Kerry TASS.

    Kerry said that some militants are joining the ranks of the "Islamic state" due to the fact that the government is Assad.

    According to him, "if Assad will remain, those who continue to fight with him, will draw more jihadists, more of is militants," they "are better armed" and they will have more opportunities to depose him.


    So Us will openly now deliver weapons to terrorists and continue love between gronw men: Kerry & Erdogan with geywolves?



    BTW working closer with Iran on new toys and toy delivery is highly recommended.



    Assad laughed at the words of Cameron on the number of fighters of the moderate opposition
    http://vz.ru/news/2015/12/6/782154.html

    "The statement of the Prime Minister of great Britain David Cameron about the presence of 70 thousand moderate rebels in Syria - new series of the Comedy series, which shows false information is the truth ... Russia has asked for Western countries to provide information about the location of these militants and their commanders, but have not responded," - reports the words of al-Assad

    Assad is not correct this time and Cameron not exact. Yes there is 70,000 armed terrorists in FSA but 95% of them in area of Birmingham and London.
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    Post  Rodinazombie Sun Dec 06, 2015 11:54 am

    Did anyone ask mr kerry why then islamic state is fighting in iraq then, or carrying out terrorist attacks across europe, if it is assad who they are joining up to fight against?

    He is so full of shit, the 'migration problem' and threat to europe wouldnt even have existed if his country hadnt supported terrorists and done naff all to fight them. He should also understand that the 'political process' doesnt involve deposing of a president just because you dont like him. What america is doing to assad is the opposite of that, yet as usual blames the other side for the things its doing itself.
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    Post  zg18 Sun Dec 06, 2015 12:02 pm

    Syrian army on key M4 highway (Aleppo-Latakia)

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Dec 06, 2015 12:06 pm

    Rodinazombie wrote:Did anyone ask mr kerry why then islamic state is fighting in iraq then, or carrying out terrorist attacks across europe, if it is assad who they are joining up to fight against?

    He is so full of shit, the 'migration problem' and threat to europe wouldnt even have existed if his country hadnt supported terrorists and done naff all to fight them. He should also understand that the 'political process' doesnt involve deposing of a president just because you dont like him. What america is doing to assad is the opposite of that, yet as usual blames the other side for the things its doing itself.

    He obviously lies as always west does but the point here is: they are sick to realize that Assad might remain. the idea is to make aone of chaos in whole middle-east.and next move is Iran and "underbelly" of Russia. Brzezinski and Co never hid this

    I do not think that in such circumstances Russia would not let west to kick Assad off or better put some puppet regimes as they did in eastern Europe. The question is how determined US is to act on Syria in light of coming Us bankruptcy and internal chaos.
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    Post  flamming_python Sun Dec 06, 2015 12:39 pm

    Akula971 wrote:Guys, UK conducted airstrikes in Syria, Israel blew up a building in Damascus (belonging to SAA)

    http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/israeli-airstrikes-over-damascus-confirmed/

    Turkey is either moving in or pulling out of Iraq (i dont know)

    French aircraft carrier ran away after dropping 4 bombs and Germany wants to enter Syria.

    None of them want to cooperate with Russia over this issue.

    Please answer this question :

    Have the Russians deployed their S300s and S400s in the region at all ?? How are they letting NATO jets come and strike in Syria withouth permission ?? Whatever is going on right now ??

    Umm.. that S-400 battery is for protecting their own bases and aircraft, not the whole of Syrian airspace from incursions (well, maybe apart from Turkish ones). Russia has neither the resources there for that, nor the inclination.

    It already has an agreement with Israel to stay out of each other's way and to inform each other in advance of strikes in the vicinity.
    Russia cautiously welcomed British strikes against ISIS in Syria, even though it stated that Britain should secure the Syrian government's permission.
    France has already been bombing targets in Syria for a few weeks now - Russia even had its missile cruiser co-ordinate actions with the French carrier.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sun Dec 06, 2015 12:42 pm

    That's a fake news, there was no attack on Damascus.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sun Dec 06, 2015 12:45 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:IHH the well known NGO from Mavi Marmara... read their tweet, apparently that was their "bakery"... can't stop laughing.  lol1

    Humanitarian Relief ‏@IHHen  Nov 29
    A bread bakery, established by IHH in Syria's Idlib, has been hit by Russian airstrikes.
    https://twitter.com/IHHen/status/671024602190094336


    The said bakery was not operational, and was used as storage. Many posts about it BEFORE being blown to bits.
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Dec 06, 2015 1:20 pm

    According to the Daily Mail the RAF's route into Syria is via Israel and Jordan and the targets are oil facilities just over the Iraqi border in eastern Syria. It appears that they are being very cautious about Syrian airspace. From loadout out to loadin comparisons (there are a few UK journos on holiday, sorry working, near Akrotiri) it appears that Paveway IV is what they are dropping and at least one plane has come back with undropped bombs. Typhoons have now joined the Tornados in these runs, with the former carrying mixed Paveway/AAM loads.

    It is claimed today that they are going to start day as well as night bombing and will hit Raqqa as well as the oil fields.

    Major interview of Assad by the Sunday Times last Wednesday is in the paper today (paywalled) which is quite sympathetic in which he hammers Cameron and the West for allowing their people to go to Syria and turn into terrorists, cause mass migration, attack his country illegally and just bomb which never solves any problem.
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Dec 06, 2015 1:43 pm

    Looks like that US carrier is on a Mediterranean cruise, its now in the Adriatic, Venice next perhaps. Keeping it at hand if needed but well away from Syria. From BMPD

    As reported by Croatian media, Split, today arrives the American nuclear aircraft carrier СVN 75 Harry S. Truman. In this regard, the Croatian police have tightened security around the city.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Dec 06, 2015 4:59 pm

    Terrorists near Palmyra tried to 2nd time counterattack. SAA artillery stopper attack. Aftermath in " moderately" graphic news:)

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Dec 06, 2015 5:04 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Terrorists near Palmyra tried to 2nd time counterattack. SAA artillery stopper attack. Aftermath  in " moderately"  graphic  news:)

    Can't understand videos like that. Where is the counter attack and what have the dead bodies got to do with the artillery bombardment on the top of a hill miles away.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Dec 06, 2015 7:08 pm


    ''Syrian Army Destroys al-Nusra Strongholds in Key Areas Near Turkish Border''

    http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151206/1031331307/syrian-army-nusra-latakia.html
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Dec 06, 2015 7:28 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    ''Syrian Army Destroys al-Nusra Strongholds in Key Areas Near Turkish Border''

    http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151206/1031331307/syrian-army-nusra-latakia.html


    interesting if Iraq asks Russia for help what will be with Turkish invasion?


    Leaders of Islam: the Prophet Muhammad foretold the Islamic state, declaring them servants of Satan
    http://www.politonline.ru/interpretation/22884419.html

    I wonder if United Satans were also mentioned Quran Smile


    JohninMK wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Terrorists near Palmyra tried to 2nd time counterattack. SAA artillery stopper attack. Aftermath  in " moderately"  graphic  news:)

    Can't understand videos like that. Where is the counter attack and what have the dead bodies got to do with the artillery bombardment on the top of a hill miles away.

    My fault I was not specific, host was saying that terrorists received locally reinforcements about 1500 troops. Then made 2 counterattacks to push SAA back. Both attempts failed. then remains of terrorists dug into hill which was shelled on news. Aftermath of shelling was dead meat filemd.
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Dec 06, 2015 7:36 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Terrorists near Palmyra tried to 2nd time counterattack. SAA artillery stopper attack. Aftermath  in " moderately"  graphic  news:)

    Can't understand videos like that. Where is the counter attack and what have the dead bodies got to do with the artillery bombardment on the top of a hill miles away.

    My fault I was not specific, host was saying that terrorists received locally reinforcements about 1500 troops. Then made 2 counterattacks  to push SAA back. Both attempts failed. then remains of terrorists dug into hill which was shelled on news.  Aftermath of shelling was dead meat filemd.
    Thanks, makes much more sense now Smile
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    Post  Erk Sun Dec 06, 2015 7:42 pm



    200 militants surrender to SAA
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Dec 06, 2015 7:50 pm

    Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi gave Ankara 48 hours on the withdrawal of troops from Iraq, otherwise Baghdad will turn to the UN security Council. He stressed that the invasion took place without the consent of the authorities and is a violation of its sovereignty.

    РИА Новости http://ria.ru/world/20151206/1337189899.html#ixzz3tZWVQwu1
    http://ria.ru/world/20151206/1337189899.html



    Well The Great Game starts to become interesting... So now Rusaia will lead UN coalition to kick Turks outta Iraq? lol! lol! lol!


    JohninMK wrote: Thanks, makes much more sense now Smile

    YW mate Smile
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    Post  KiloGolf Sun Dec 06, 2015 10:54 pm

    Unconfirmed coalition strike on SAA No

    Ivan Sidorenko ‏@IvanSidorenko1 20m20 minutes ago
    #Syria #DeirEzZor One Report says 4 #SAA killed, 13 Wounded, 2 Tanks Destroyed by International Coalition Air Strike. #Ayash #Ayyash
    https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/673630680585256960
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    Kurds showing "new" mortars they obtained.
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    Post  Guest Sun Dec 06, 2015 11:12 pm

    "US experts are reconstructing and equipping a desolate airport special to carrying agricultural products in the region controlled by the Kurdish forces in Hasaka region, Northeastern Syria, to turn it into a military base. The Lebanese al-Akhbar newspaper reported on Saturday that a number of US experts have entered the region since 50 days ago to develop and prepare the runways with 2,500m length and 250m width to be used by fighter jets.

    Abu Hajar airport which has not been used since 2010 is located in Tal al-Hajar region in the Eastern countryside of Hasaka which is controlled by the Kurdish People’s Defense Units (YPG). The airbase is located Southeast of the town of Rimelan, which is one of the YPG’s main strongholds and “largest arms and ammunition depots”. The US has not received or even asked for a permission from Damascus for reconstructing the airbase. The United States does not have a UN mandate for interventing in the Syria war.

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    The airport will help enable Washington to add an additional safe place to land its forces, commando units for instance, and bring in military support to its allies who are working to finalize control over Southern Hasaka countryside, al-Akhbar said. The report came over a week after the Kurdish region said that the US and Kurdish forces were working together to construct a 10 hectare military airbase South of the town of Rimelan in the village of Rimelan al-Basha.

    “American experts are directly supervising the airbase with a Kurdish workforce,” the reports claimed, saying that US unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) had been flown from the facility to test it. The report also said that two helicopter had flown over the town of Rimelan on November 24 and landed eight US military specialists at the airport. Interestingly, the Kurdish YPG issued a statement saying that “two unknown helicopters” had flown over Rimelan on the same day. The following day, the Kurdish media said that residents in the nearby village of Cil Axa had heard helicopters overhead, although they claimed they were Turkish."


    Source: http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-building-military-airbase-in-northeastern-syria/5493746
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    Post  Guest Sun Dec 06, 2015 11:19 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:Unconfirmed coalition strike on SAA No

    Ivan Sidorenko ‏@IvanSidorenko1  20m20 minutes ago
    #Syria #DeirEzZor One Report says 4 #SAA killed, 13 Wounded, 2 Tanks Destroyed by International Coalition Air Strike. #Ayash #Ayyash
    https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/673630680585256960

    Seems ISIS started offensive aganist Ayyash after the airstrike happened to use the situation.
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    Post  KiloGolf Sun Dec 06, 2015 11:26 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:Unconfirmed coalition strike on SAA No

    Ivan Sidorenko ‏@IvanSidorenko1  20m20 minutes ago
    #Syria #DeirEzZor One Report says 4 #SAA killed, 13 Wounded, 2 Tanks Destroyed by International Coalition Air Strike. #Ayash #Ayyash
    https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/673630680585256960

    Seems ISIS started offensive aganist Ayyash after the airstrike happened to use the situation.

    RuAF is present, lets hope this IS offensive won't make any gains.
    Who's the moron that air striked those MBTs?

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