The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

In his briefings Basurin usually says about total number of violations, not attacks, and then breaks the total down into number and type of mortar/artillery/rounds fired and the locations that were attacked, tho he also, as in this case, does begin report by saying about how many times were fired at. It may seem a method that deliberately makes everything seem more than it is by counting each individual round fired from mortar and above, but ukrops could fire one round from Msta-s and hit a street in Gorlovka and kill 6 and wound 15, and that could be the only action they take that day, so that one round is both a violation and an attack, and that is why individual rounds are counted even if it may seem ridiculous. Remember summer last year and the bombardment of downtown Donetsk. Ukrops only fired maybe twenty rounds and did more damage than several hundred rounds fired seemingly every night at the moment. Earlier that year school sports field was hit by only one round from a Gvozdika, and two dead kids. The phrase "Think about these numbers - more than 1 000 attacks !!!" was not said by Basurin, it was added to the report by, I believe, editor of Novorossiya Information Agency who also made a typo that added 700 rounds to the real number before correcting the error. Basurin will use the word "attack" in the normal way, about an action by ukrops against for instance Yasunovataya block post using infantry, mortars, artillery and BMP. The number of rounds fired during such a specific attack will be hidden within the daily total. Perhaps it would make the situation clearer if he described better the intensity of these attacks, as some days they are far greater than others, but unless he goes into detail about a specific attack on a location, this is not clear until info leaks from guys at the front line.

Khepesh wrote:Part of what is said to be a large amount of ukrops equipment seen arriving in Slavyansk from Kharkov. They seem to have found a lot of T-72 recently.

wow they look in real bad nick those T-72s

This is the path of the Global Hawk mentioned in the last thread.

Did someone mention January 21st?

WASHINGTON (Sputnik) — US Vice President Joe Biden and Ukraine President Petro Poroshenko emphasized during a call on Wednesday the importance of Kiev making swift progress on reforms tied to funding from the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the White House said in a press release.

"The leaders also discussed Ukraine's reform trajectory and emphasized the need for continued swift progress, including on steps needed to secure Ukraine's next tranche of IMF funding," the release stated on Wednesday.

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/politics/201611171047522699-biden-poroshenko-ukraine-reforms/

Lukashenko offered to supervise the elections in LNDR and control the border. It will not be acceptable to Kiev of course, or it's backers, if it will have any soon... https://ria.ru/world/20161117/1481563661.html

Anyone know if there is any truth to this?

USA Urgently Recalls Their CIA & FBI Agents From Ukraine
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US intelligence officers are urgently leaving Kiev, whose offices were in the buildings of the Prosecutor General and Security Service of Ukraine.

This was stated on the air of the talk-show “Meeting Place” by the former people’s Deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Igor Markov. In his opinion, the recalling of employees of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) says that the United States is gradually leaving Ukraine.

“There is such a nuance – a week ago, all the representatives of the FBI, located in the building of the Prosecutor General, and the CIA, which was located in the SBU, were urgently transferred to Romania and the Czech Republic. For security officers it is a clear signal that the U.S. is slyly withdrawing from Ukraine. Only analysts remained, while the investigators all left,” he said.

Note that the Ukrainian side denies the fact of presence on the territory of the country of the CIA and FBI. And the American flag that was hung next to the “flag” of Ukraine at the entrance to the SBU building on Vladimiryrskaya Street in Kiev was raised allegedly due to the arrival of the Deputy the US State Department.

http://www.therussophile.org/usa-urgently-recalls-their-cia-fbi-agents-from-ukraine.html/

Saw that reported few days ago and dismissed it as wishful thinking. I see no reason why American agents should be "urgently" deployed to Rumania and Czech Republic.

On the other hand, American ambassador to OSCE, Daniel Baer, has said in a meeting of the council in Vienna that he thinks there is possibility of offensive against Mariupol by "Joint Russian and separatist forces". He is either clearing the ground for an excuse for ukrops to attack, or simply trolling, but such a statement is rather unusual. Perhaps in the near future if ukrops start screaming about heavy "Russian-separatist" shelling on the eastern side of Mariupol, or Grad hitting bustop, orphange, hospital, school etc etc, it is about to begin. http://dnr-news.com/dnr/37071-posol-ssha-pri-obse-opasaetsya-vozmozhnogo-nastupleniya-na-mariupol.html

Khepesh wrote:Saw that reported few days ago and dismissed it as wishful thinking. I see no reason why American agents should be "urgently" deployed to Rumania and Czech Republic.

On the other hand, American ambassador to OSCE, Daniel Baer, has said in a meeting of the council in Vienna that he thinks there is possibility of offensive against Mariupol by "Joint Russian and separatist forces". He is either clearing the ground for an excuse for ukrops to attack, or simply trolling, but such a statement is rather unusual. Perhaps in the near future if ukrops start screaming about heavy "Russian-separatist" shelling on the eastern side of Mariupol, or Grad hitting bustop, orphange, hospital, school etc etc, it is about to begin. http://dnr-news.com/dnr/37071-posol-ssha-pri-obse-opasaetsya-vozmozhnogo-nastupleniya-na-mariupol.html

I expect you saw Basurin reported yesterday 6x Grad 1km from ceasefire line near Mariupol.

Yes, and that close to the front line makes me think not so much that they will be firing east on VSN positions, but west to Mariupol, again. In recent days the veil of silence within Mariupol about who was responsible for all the shelling of the city from 2014 onwards is breaking down and people openly accusing "Azov" and other radikals. Also about a purge against Mariupol's ethnic Greek population by banderas. I think to the west of Mariupol ukrops probably now have enough forces concentrated to make them think they have a chance of inflicting defeat of VSN in south and taking Novoazov.

This is not what they wanted. Looks like no more IMF money for a while for Kiev. No more Christmas pressies, sorry cash, to hand out now.

WASHINGTON (Sputnik) — Ukraine needs more time to implement economic reforms required to receive the next tranche of financial aid, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) said in a statement on Friday.

"While good progress has been made, the authorities need some more time to implement policies to ensure medium-term fiscal sustainability — including adoption of the 2017 budget consistent with program targets — safeguard financial stability and tackle corruption," the statement said. "Discussions on these policies will continue in the period ahead." The IMF mission visited Ukraine from November 3-17 to review economic progress that will determine whether the IMF allocates the next tranche of up to $1.3 billion to Kiev before the end of the year.

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/europe/201611181047593211-ukraine-imf-aid/

Khepesh wrote: I think to the west of Mariupol ukrops probably now have enough forces concentrated to make them think they have a chance of inflicting defeat of VSN in south and taking Novoazov.

I suspect that, were all they were facing was the VSN, both you and they are correct. But maybe, given the current state of the world, all hell would be let loose shortly after the first salvos landed on VSN lines. Especially if, behind the scenes. Moscow has already told the US what would happen in such an eventuality.

Interestingly, some of the Syrian Express large landing craft have not rejoined that operation since that combined air/sea/land exercise back in September.

As for a long time now I base calculations on what Poroshenko will do in his own interests irrespective of the orders of Washington. I mean in the sense that if he and those bound in fate to him see that the necessary support from Washington becomes less to the extent of no guarantee of survival of Kiev regime, then they either surrender Donbass, and it would need to be all the territory Kiev occupies, pack suitcases and run, or fight. I believe that it is more likely that they will fight than do anything else. The only other scenario is for revolution in Kiev by normal people, not a bandera or Tymoshenko revolution.

Straight talking, generally, from Zakharchenko about Minsk. https://av-zakharchenko.su/inner-article/Glavnaya-novost/Александр-Захарченко-Минские-соглашения-это-только/

Friday night "concert"

I am going through twitter, and if the UN resolution actually reflects Crimea, Twitter would be in an absolute shitstorm regarding various people who specifically talk about Crimea/DNR/LNR.

I doubt it and Klimkin is just trolling hard like Kilo does on this site.

Forget Russian tanks, Kiev has a different #1 fear

November 18, 2016 - Fort Russ -
Ruslan Ostashko, PolitRussia - translated by J. Arnoldski -

What scares Kiev politicians more than anything? What is their number one fear? No, not Russian tanks coming down Kreshchatik street. They aren’t afraid of Russian tanks for two reasons. First of all, Kiev politicians have made so much money selling media disinformation to the West about Russian tanks invading Ukraine that they themselves are no longer afraid of this happening. They have a whole business, a whole image of this and all relations with the West are built on their promises to provoke Russia into open military intervention. These promises have brought them money and power, so the very thought of a Russian military invasion warms their soul.

Now for the second reason. Kiev is now ruled by very opinionated people who are 100% convinced that, if something happens, they’ll manage to make it to Borispol and fly away. They hope that after fleeing from Russian tanks they will be provided with jobs, money, and respect for the rest of their life. They’ll form a Ukrainian government in exile and follow Khodorkovsky with endless lawsuits in international courts and travel the world giving lectures about how much they’ve suffered from Putin and how much they miss unfortunate Ukraine. Thus, the Kiev regime is not afraid of a Russian invasion. They have an entirely different nightmare, and it is precisely this other nightmare that is creeping into their daily reality.

I periodically try to explain to the Ukrainian experts that I encounter in television studios that Ukraine has worn out even its strongest supporters in the West. They’ve tired them out so much and so thoroughly that these supporters are already starting to discuss things that were unthinkable a year ago. Remember PACE - that bunch of European bureaucrats who condemned Russia for aggression against Ukraine and deprived the Russian delegation of its voting rights? Well now Ukrainian deputies are saying that PACE is preparing a devastating report on human rights failures in Ukraine. The chairman of PACE has even stated that it is necessary to bring back the Russian delegation to work in PACE, and he even wrote a letter to Vyacheslav Volodin with the proposal to personally meet to discuss this issue. Members of the Ukrainian delegation to PACE are writing articles about the powerful Russian lobby which could steal PACE and force it to “betray Ukraine.”

Here’s another example. After Ukrainian authorities fulfilled all 144 conditions for obtaining a vise free regime, European politicians turned to outright mocking them. During Rada discussions, it was recently revealed that Martin Schulz, the chairman of the European Parliament, now binds the visa-free regime to the fulfillment of the Minsk Agreements. An unpleasant situation has unfolded for official Kiev. If they blame Russia for not fulfilling the Minsk Agreements, then they’ll have to admit that the EU has made Kiev dependent on the Kremlin’s goodwill. If this is not so, then they’ll have to admit that Martin Schulz has de facto blamed Kiev for disrupting the Minsk Agreements and has punished the Ukrainian side by depriving it of its coveted visa free regime. Amidst all of this, the Ukrainian propaganda that the whole world supports Poroshenko looks very unconvincing.

Yesterday I asked whether Trump would put Ukraine up for sale as a whole or in parts. Today I can present the Finnish version of the answer to this burning question. Former Finnish army commander General Gustav Hagglund told local media that “dividing Ukraine into two parts will put an end to the conflict in the country” and said that Trump will reach an agreement with Putin on concluding the conflict. A year ago, imagining that a representative of a European army would express such a position in the media was unthinkable, but now it is normal.


In fact, I am not convinced that Trump will opt for this variant, but it cannot be excluded. The most important point is that no one is going to ask Ukrainian politicians about their opinions on the future of their country. This is Kiev’s greatest fear. On one fine day, they will wake up in a country that has been simply gifted to Putin.

Source: http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/11/forget-russian-tanks-kiev-has-different.html

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Make it to Borispol and fly away? That's not that simple. Even if they would flee from Ukraine, which country would let them in? Maybe they would seek refuge in an Ukrainian embassy in a capital city of a foerign country, but it's not that feasible, plus I'm sure that no one would let political criminals into their countries.

Benya wrote:

Make it to Borispol and fly away? That's not that simple. Even if they would flee from Ukraine, which country would let them in? Maybe they would seek refuge in an Ukrainian embassy in a capital city of a foerign country, but it's not that feasible, plus I'm sure that no one would let political criminals into their countries.

Clutching their stash of money in a foreign bank account many countries would let them in. It is also highly probable that many of them already have dual nationality, particularly Israeli.

Khepesh wrote:Friday night "concert"

Hear is what created that 'music'.

Since yesterday's evening the Ukrainian military launched 530 artillery projectiles and shells onto the suburbs of Donetsk, Yasinovataya, Gorlovka, vicinities of Telmanovo and the southern villages of the Republic, reported a source in the DPR security agencies.

"From 6 p.m. till 3 a.m. the Ukrainian army fired 530 artillery projectiles of both 122mm and 152mm calibre and shells of 82mm and 120mm calibre onto the localities of Trudovskiye, Aleksandrovka, Staromikhailovka in the west of Donetsk, Novolaspa of the Telmanovsky district, Shirokaya Balka near Gorlovka, territories of the former Donetsk airport, the industrial zone near Yasinovataya, Spartak village of the Yasinovataya district, villages of Sakhanka, Bezymennoye, Kominternovo and Leninskoye of the Novoazovsky district in the south of the country," said the official.

According to the source, along with heavy weapons and mortars the AFU used IFV arms, grenade launchers and small arms when shelling residential quarters of the Republic.

Information on casualties and destructions is being specified.

Last night it was reported that the AFU units launched 114 artillery projectiles and shells only to Spartak village of the Yasinovataya district, and the industrial zone territory.

Khepesh wrote:Friday night "concert"

Hey Khepesh, where are getting that map from? Thank You.

Here, and needs lot of RAM to get best use http://militarymaps.info and here for more info from the admin https://vk.com/militarymaps

Another decision showing the stupidity of the Rada starting to make itself felt. Clearly a case of 'think things through before you do something' missing there.

Residents of western Ukraine are bracing for a flood of restitution claims by families of Poles from the Kresy –lands in western Ukraine formerly belonging to Poland. Observers say the claimants have been encouraged by the Ukrainian parliament's recent passage of a declaration saying that the post-war order established in 1945 was illegitimate.

Ukrainian news website Korrespondent.net has reported that the first two cases from descendants of Polish landowners in territories now belonging to Ukraine are ready to be handed over to courts in the cities of Lutsk and Ternopil. "These are the cases where the documents were best preserved," said Conrad Renkas, chairman of the Kresy Restitution Association. Renkas' organization has prepared nearly 1,600 restitution claims in the last year. The court cases have been created in anticipation of the repeal of the moratorium on the sale of land in Ukraine starting January 1, 2017, as well as the removal of an EU restriction on the ownership of land in foreign countries.

Renkas said that plaintiffs have a variety of claims. Some are seeking compensation for the use of what was once their property. Others want payment of damages for lost revenues due to confiscation of capital. Others still simply want to reclaim their ancestral lands. Among the properties being claimed by Poles are country houses, dozens of hectares of land, and even a copper mine in eastern Ukraine's Kharkiv region with an estimated worth of $1.5 million US, Korrespondent noted.

Observers say that the claimants have been heartened by a resolution passed last month by Ukraine's parliament. The joint declaration, signed together with the parliaments of Poland and Lithuania, said that the Soviet Union was just as responsible for the outbreak of the Second World War as Nazi Germany. It also condemned the post-war European order established at Yalta by the USSR, US, and UK, saying that it resulted in the 'enslavement' of Central and Eastern Europe for almost half a century.

But experts warned that the bill also effectively delegitimized contemporary Ukraine's possession of its western territories, which were 'immorally' and 'illegally' transferred to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic from Poland at the end of World War Two, according to the logic of the resolution. Accordingly, the resolution may have given the Kresy claimants the moral ammunition needed to having courts accept their claims for restitution.

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/europe/201611191047630990-ukraine-poland-impending-restitution-battle/

JohninMK wrote:even a copper mine in eastern Ukraine's Kharkiv region with an estimated worth of $1.5 million US, Korrespondent noted.

Polish rights in Kharkov? WTF, how? That's not a "western region" as per the post-1945 border..
This is madness.

KiloGolf wrote:

JohninMK wrote:even a copper mine in eastern Ukraine's Kharkiv region with an estimated worth of $1.5 million US, Korrespondent noted.

Polish rights in Kharkov? WTF, how? That's not a "western region" as per the post-1945 border..  
This is madness.

Let a lawyer get a sniff of money and .............................

A few months of lawyer fun in this as well

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — "The hearings on the transit contract will begin on Monday," Vitrenko said on Facebook on Saturday.

The Naftogaz senior manager added that in case of losing in court, Gazprom would have to pay $4 billion more every year for gas transit and reimburse tens of billions dollars to the Ukrainian company. “By the way, the court’s decision on the gas transit contract is expected … by June,” Vitrenko said.

Russia and Ukraine have been engaged in gas disputes for years.

In June 2014, Gazprom switched Ukraine to a prepayment system for gas supplies over its massive gas debt. The same month, Ukraine’s Naftogaz appealed to the Arbitration Court in Stockholm, seeking a retroactive revision of its 2009-2019 natural gas transit contract with Russia. In June, Naftogaz sent a proposal to Gazprom to sign an addendum to the existing contract that would allow the Russian company to resume gas deliveries to Ukraine.

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/europe/201611201047632661-russia-ukraine-gaz-dispute-court-hearing/