Russian Navy: Status & News #2

max steel wrote:Is it a normal torpedo like Mark 48 or a Shkval like torpedo ?

I do agree that right now Russia cannot build her ships quick enough and they really do need to improve there. Because its kinda sad in a way.

What's wrong with the Fizik torpédos ? Last time I checked, it was still in developement.

400m deapth is enough ? Could some subs operate llower than that ?

GarryB wrote:  
If Russia could build five thousand ships a year and in a year completely replace its old fleet with new vessels would you be happy?

All that building capacity would be totally wasted within two years because the Russian navy doesn't need 10,000 new ships so by 2017 there would be shipyards idle with no work and hundreds of thousands of ship builders out of work.

There is no hurry... building ships at a slow steady rate is fine... it means other contracts for export orders can be negotiated and signed and integrated with the Russian Navys requirements so the ship builders can be building ships for the next 20 years... that means investments into upgrading their tooling and methods and training have value and are worth it.

The don't need to make more than anyone else.

Russia need 10 years to complet one corrvete of 2000t.!?! Or 12 years to finish one LST. And you think that they planned such slow rate? That they like it?

Please check how many ships during that last 20 years were added in fleets of Japan , China, South Korea...

That is vaste of both money and time. Russia need ships now and Russian want that ships now, but from one reason or another they are not capable to bulid ships on time. In last 20 years Russia managed only to finish 1 Neustrashimy and 1 Udaloy ( started during USSR) 1 Gorshkov 1 (2) Grigorevich, 4 Stereguschy and 2 Gepards , and finally 1 LS.

That is 11(12) ships in last 20 years 2 of which were started during USSR.

"Ladnyy" + "Admiral Grigorovich" + "Yelnya + SB-921" + "Serpukhov" + "Smetlivyy"

marat wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

marat wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

George1 wrote:and the last 3 go for 2018?? to be in service?

The remaining three for what moscow says will be in service around 2020 they will have the gas turbines by 2018 then they need to make sure they work, instill them on the ships finishing building the ships, sea trails etc.

Which is fine Russia doesn't NEED them its more of a nice thing to have.

Well i think that Russia do NEED them as there would not be enought ocean going ships in navy all of that time. Now it it clear that untin 2030-ies Russia will be in lack of big ships.

The Russian navy is a secondary thing they are at most concerned with shore based defense, their corvettes are capable of providing this. They do not need to a ton of large displacement ships right now. They aren't interested in trying to control the worlds oceans. They will get there, but right now they are more concerned with the army and airforce.

They are concentrated to brown water navy not becouse they like that concept but becouse at this moment Russia is not capable to create strong navy. And without strong navy you can not be first class world power.

e.g. whole Syria intervention could be stoped by naval blocade from NATO, or even more Turkey alone have enought naval power to denie Russian naval traffic acces to Syria. And only thing that Russia could do is to start full scale war. But even then Russia wouldnt have acces to Turkey land.

PapaDragon wrote:
Looks like entire Pacific Fleet packed up and hit the high seas.

http://judgesuhov.livejournal.com/206930.html

Isos wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Looks like entire Pacific Fleet packed up and hit the high seas.

http://judgesuhov.livejournal.com/206930.html

Can you translate what it says ?

zg18 wrote:Black sea fleet in Mediterranean

"Ladnyy" + "Admiral Grigorovich" + "Yelnya + SB-921" + "Serpukhov" + "Smetlivyy"

MOSCOW, June 29 -. RIA Novosti All new ships and submarines of Navy fleet of Russia until 2017 perevooruzhatsya completely new type of torpedo "Physicist", the range of which is 2.5 times more standing today in service fleet USE"Russian Navy began retooling for new torpedo caliber of 533 millimeters" Physics 1 "with increased range hitting the target up to 50 kilometers," - a spokesman said.

According to him, with the same dimensions of the torpedo has a longer range, more powerful warhead and a perfect homing system.

According to open sources, the length of the new torpedo - 7.2 meters, weight - 2200 kg weight with a warhead of 300 kilograms. The engine uses a specially designed fuel instead of oxygen and water. T-80, he said RIA Novosti on Wednesday, a senior military source.

Currently in service with the Russian Navy torpedoes are USET-80 with a range of 18 kilometers.

Construction is expected to begin in Russia in 2018 for a large universal landing ship and helicopter carrier. Captain First Rank Vladimir Tryapichnikov, the head of ship construction for the Russian Navy, discussed this on the radio station Russian News Service.
"Of course, currently the ship, a large universal amphibious assault ship, is being designed by various organizations. We already have some achievements, as we have determined its appearance. Its realization will begin in 2018, when we start construction of the amphibious assault ship,” he said.
As previously reported by the Russian Ministry of Defense, the first large landing ship (BDK) is expected to be built by 2020. The new generation of BDK ships are expected to have a displacement of about 16,000 tons

Vann7 wrote:

the replacement of the mistral warship.. is not modern the shape of
its design but it will do the job..

Construction is expected to begin in Russia in 2018 for a large universal landing ship and helicopter carrier. Captain First Rank Vladimir Tryapichnikov, the head of ship construction for the Russian Navy, discussed this on the radio station Russian News Service.
"Of course, currently the ship, a large universal amphibious assault ship, is being designed by various organizations. We already have some achievements, as we have determined its appearance. Its realization will begin in 2018, when we start construction of the amphibious assault ship,” he said.
As previously reported by the Russian Ministry of Defense, the first large landing ship (BDK) is expected to be built by 2020. The new generation of BDK ships are expected to have a displacement of about 16,000 tons

http://kret.com/en/news/10258/

SeigSoloyvov wrote:....................


first it was 2016 then 2017, lets see this time I guess.

PapaDragon wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:....................


first it was 2016 then 2017, lets see this time I guess.

There is also Priboy class ship (~8000t) that is supposed to follow Ivan Gren once second ship is out of the shipyard.

The new ships will replace the nuclear-powered missile cruisers "Peter the Great"

"Northern design Bureau" has started creation of a technical project promising destroyer project 23560 "Leader". The ship will have a displacement of about 17.5 thousand tons, which would bring it closer to the largest nuclear-powered missile cruisers of the Russian Navy project 1144 "Orlan" type "of Peter the Great. As have informed "news" former zamglavnogo of the Navy, Admiral Igor Kasatonov, the appearance of these ships tells about the geopolitical interests of the Russian leadership. Metal cutting for the new ship, according to the United shipbuilding Corporation will begin in early 2018.It is planned to build eight ships of this class.

- Nuclear cruisers Autonomous, well-armed and able to solve various tasks in any point of the world ocean, - said Igor Kasatonov. Ships of this class to the Russian Navy did not order since 1989, which means that the country reappeared geopolitical interests on presence in remote regions of the world.

Advisor to the General Director of Krylov state research centre in St.-Petersburg Valery Polovinkin, where he created the design for a destroyer, told "Izvestia" that the new ship will have to combine the quality of several projects. Destroyers will be equipped with missile and anti-space defense, and will become anchor points in the world ocean".

- "Leader" will become a universal vehicle that can replace the three class of ships in the Russian Navy: destroyers, large antisubmarine ships (BPK) and missile cruisers project 1144 "Orlan", - told "Izvestia" Valery Polovinkin. - When this ship is smaller ships 1144-year project, but will carry a far greater number of weapons. The autonomy of such ships is usually determined by food supplies, nuclear power plant able to work without recharging for several years.

According to "Izvestia", the new destroyer will get a nuclear power plant RITM-200. The same is mounted on promising icebreakers of project 22220. The first ship of the series - "Arctic" - launched in June. Thanks to the new power plant "Leader" can reach speeds up to 30 knots. His weapons should be comparable to the us missile ships of the "Arleigh Burke".

Judging by the presented on the forum "Army-2015" the layout, the ship will receive two to four launchers "Caliber" missile "Caliber-NK" and "Onyx" a range of over 300 km anti-aircraft missiles far zones will be submitted to the naval variant of the s-500 "Prometheus" with two launchers. Near field air defense "Leader" will be represented by two vertical launchers complex "Polyment-Redoubt". Managing planned system "Poliment" with radar with active phased antenna array (AFAR).The ships can accommodate two combat ship module version zrpk "Carapace-M". Finally, the "Leaders" will receive universal artillery installation A-192 130 mm. caliber of All in the Arsenal of the destroyer will be 200 missiles for various purposes.

However, as noted expert in the field of naval armaments Alexander Mozgovoi, the final appearance of the "Leader" set his weapons may undergo significant changes during the execution of the technical project.

- Not so long ago the results of conceptual design of the ship, which showed that his appearance has significant deviations from the original plan developed in the framework of preliminary design and approved by the Ministry of defense, - told "Izvestia" Alexander Mozgovoy.- Given the high level of innovative component and the need for full implementation of the scientific and technical reserve for prospective destroyer, most likely at the stage of technical design will be a major change to its design, it will affect not only technical character, but also the future plans for the construction of a series.

As the expert notes, the choice of such a large project was due solely to the situation in the Russian Navy with the problem of import substitution - the lack of own production of gas turbine power plants. In contrast, the production of nuclear we are commercially. This is evidenced by the success with the implementation of the programme of building nuclear icebreakers.Successfully proven in the course of the Syrian company ships of the project 21631, armed with rocket complex "Caliber", do not have the ability to act far from its own shores - the autonomy of their voyage is not to exceed 30 days. It is almost a transition from Murmansk to the Strait of Gibraltar, a nuclear destroyers it is unlimited, - said Alexander Mozgovoy.

- Correction of errors in definition of the technical appearance and combat characteristics at any stage of the design, and especially in the course of construction of the ship, is very expensive pleasure, - agrees Igor Kasatonov.

According to the Admiral, errors result in unacceptable delays entry of ships of new projects. Some of them are operated in power mode of operation, are endless improvements, which ultimately did not lead to the implementation of the ideas originally laid down, therefore, now comes a decisive moment in the fate of the future of the project, said Kasatonov.