Anti-Putin Discussion

Vann7 wrote:

But he is making Russia more powerful and more competitive.... beyond the point where their sanctions can stop them.

The only power russia have is in the Russia military, but that  power is useless if not used .  
He allows any nation to strike russia ,to shutdown their planes ,hellicopters ,spy planes and do nothing
about it.  Those s-300s and s-400 are totally useless if not used in syria . those planes and airforce are totally useless if not confront those attacking their allies.

So no , russia is not powerful ,but very very weak , and is putin the only one to blame for that.
Russia is so weak , that makes you feel sorry , for russian citizens and russian military ,that have to deal with that fool ,they have as president , that don't know how to defend their nation properly .
To see putin every week complain , how the west don't want dialogue , and how unfair they are ,
is sad to see . the only thing left he have not done ,is cry in cameras and beg the west to be their friend.     that idiot in power will provoke a nuclear war , for his weakness . everyone is saying this.. even pro russian analyst in the west , like george gallaway and paul craig roberts ,that from time to time , are hired by TR news to talk ,are reprimanding putin for showing so much weakness to the west.


look this report.. paul craig robets ,  calling putin to stop being weak with the west.


Can War With Russia Be Avoided?
by :Paul Craig Roberts.

Considering the level of tension between the nuclear powers, the topic deserves far more attention that it receives.  In the US it is a difficult topic to address.  The President of Russia can call for better relations with the US without being demonized by the Russian media as an American agent, but when President Trump called for better relations with Russia, the US presstitutes denounced Trump as a Russian agent and launched the Russiagate hoax.  Knowledgable American commentators who supported Trump’s call for better relations were labeled “Russian agents/dupes.”

My concern is that Washington’s hegemonic attitude prevents US acceptance of Russian sovereignty and that

Putin’s low-key responses to insults and provocations result in his warnings not being taken sufficiently seriously and encourages more insults and provocations. Washington could go too far and provoke a major confrontation that Putin cannot overlook.

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2021/04/28/can-war-with-russia-be-avoided/


Everyone is noticing putin is very insecure and his extreme poliness is a sympton of insecurity , he tries to manipulate the west with weakness , and that doesn't work , will never ever work ever.
with evil and bully people.


George gallaway that is also pro Russia and works for RT .told the same ,that putin needs to stop
being a coward and show some balls.. albeit he told it in a diplomatic way.

something like this.

"if putin expect that by appeasing the west , with nice behavior with people who only wants russian blood will work , then i urge him to reconsider his policies again. because will send the wrong message and will create the opposite of the security he wants. "

in other words , galloway told putin to grow some balls and stop being so nice with those killing
their army. so is embarrasing ,that even analyst that works at rt , have to reprimand putin ,so he stop being so insecure as weak as he is..

remember when the west shutdown the russian embassy , and stole their property , violated international laws ,lavrov recommended to recriprocrate exactly the same way ,but what putin did?

he fought back the west, with a christmas party ,inviting the american embassy to a major nice dinner .     but a month later , he discovered , his response , did not worked and ended demanding americans to leave.. in the end , putin showed how stupid moron he is.  he don't understand at all human relations , weakness does not works with bullies , and someone need to slap his face to remove all that cowardice and insecurity he have. or even better to demand he resign , and put a real leader on his place. .

Why are you feeling sorry for the dumb russian people who keep voting the dumbass Putin? The dumbass russian people can't even create so-so Star Wars and now they're waiting for the dumbass Putin to go give them the signal to create high-tech bizniz soso starwars?
You might as well just admit you think russian people are dumb. It's alright GarryB won't ban you, he doesnt ban any even tsavo or you

Tingsay wrote:

Why are you feeling sorry for the dumb russian people who keep voting the dumbass Putin? The dumbass russian people can't even create so-so Star Wars and now they're waiting for the dumbass Putin to go give them the signal to create high-tech bizniz soso starwars?  
You might as well just admit you think russian people are dumb. It's alright GarryB won't ban you, he doesnt ban any even tsavo or you

i will not respond to losers ,blind fanatics of putin. people like you will go an hide in a cave ,when that imbecile President destroy russia like gorvashev did it , and most likely far worse .  And i don't care about being banned , i don't post for people like you , but for those interested to really know the source of the serious problems that russia face  . that is managed by highly incompetent and insecure people ,with very outdated vision of the development of the nation.. so thanks for wasting a few seconds of my time ,but you have been warned ,low iq trolls will be ignored.  

Vann7 wrote:

Tingsay wrote:

Why are you feeling sorry for the dumb russian people who keep voting the dumbass Putin? The dumbass russian people can't even create so-so Star Wars and now they're waiting for the dumbass Putin to go give them the signal to create high-tech bizniz soso starwars?  
You might as well just admit you think russian people are dumb. It's alright GarryB won't ban you, he doesnt ban any even tsavo or you

i will not respond to losers ,blind fanatics of putin. people like you will go an hide in a cave ,when that imbecile President destroy russia like gorvashev did it , and most likely far worse .  And i don't care about being banned , i don't post for people like you , but for those interested to really know the source of the serious problems that russia face  . that is managed by highly incompetent and insecure people ,with very outdated vision of the development of the nation.. so thanks for wasting a few seconds of my time ,but you have been warned ,low iq trolls will be ignored.  

Nice sidestep

Turns out you still can't answer how Genius russians can't stop voting for incompetent leaders at the same time still cant create high-tech bizniz. Huge contradiction there

Big tech companies like Facebook and Amazon are not real... they are like the kardashians... they are empty shells... the fact that both are so financially lucrative suggests part of the reason why the west is broken.

Russians vote for Putin because he is the best man for the job right now and is doing an excellent job of not giving in to threats and bribes from the west.

He is steering his ship around the iceberg despite the sirens call to smash against the rocks.

When the western media stop complaining about him and start putting him on the cover of Time magazine and showing him in a good light... we will know by then it is time for a change perhaps.

Trade increases with China are good, but Russia needs to look to trade with the rest of the world more too.

GarryB wrote:Big tech companies like Facebook and Amazon are not real... they are like the kardashians... they are empty shells... the fact that both are so financially lucrative suggests part of the reason why the west is broken.

I've no idea about Facebook, but have you ever used Amazon services before? You must be joking that they're empty shells when most companies around the world will end up using either Azure or AWS as a cloud host for their services and in addition to that, Amazon is the biggest re-seller/online market platform in the West.

You might have an understanding of military related technologies, though your naivety towards 'big tech' shows quite often. You yourself probably use a combination of Google, Amazon, Microsoft services daily, whilst the websites you visit likely use Facebook services for advertisement themselves.

Google and Facebook are not tech companies. They´re advertising companies. Instead of billboards they use your own tech device.

Tingsay wrote:

Turns out you still can't answer how Genius russians can't stop voting for incompetent leaders at the same time still cant create high-tech bizniz. Huge contradiction there  

Will answer the question ,but not for you ,but for every other that repeats the same question ,because is one myth that many people have,and keeps repeating ,and is a complete lie. So your question expose the level of ignorance , that blocks your ability to understand anything.

Popularity ,which is what putin's enjoy does not necessarily means that he is a good president. President like Putin , win the vote of most population using the same tactics that every other dictators or autocratic president use to deceive population ,that he is a great president , but he is not.

North Korea Kim Jong-un , the  crazy rocket guy,  is very very popular in North Korea ,and he is so popular ,that he is worshiped like a God .Putin in the other hand is compared by idiots ,with peter the great at times or a chessmaster player.  but low iq people and mediocre people ,with low reasoning skills , are easy to manipulate with populism ,with freebies, with camera propaganda , with music in the background of videos, with him helping a nurse somewhere to get his check , with free tickets for sochi hotels with charity here or there . Point is with help of media ,you can turn a real idiot ,(like Putin is ) , into a super hero , if you have control of the media ,majority of it and manipulate them. And most population in most countries are dumb , and are easy to manipulate by media.

lenin ,(the british intel ,fabricated leader ) , won all elections he participated and he was very popular too ,for the same reasons, for populism tactics , telling majority of poor people ,the things they wanted to hear ,the free things they will get and using the press to manipulate them . hitler was also very popular too and he was elected democratically in real elections.  and he destroyed germany.

gorvashev was also popular and he was elected too , but he nearly destroyed the Russian nation.


The message is ,you can't use popularity and rating always as a signal of a good president , specially in a country that media is heavily controlled by the factions in power .

Majority of the society ,that is poor , specially the old people ,will always vote for anyone that brings free food to the table and tell things they want to hear ,how he will "Develop the nation" , even if he have to do that forever and never fix anything in the nation.  Putin is a very bad president , because he have zero strategy for the nation , other than surviving , that turning the other cheek ,whenever the west attack russia. this is very bad , because encourage the west to continue attacking russia economy , and attacking russian military by proxy , because the west know , they can get away with it ,because putin is weak , and soft , and very insecure ,and he will rather sacrifice russian soldiers lives and give condolences to his families , than to fight the west with its military ,or fight with business. he "saved russia " from collapse , and never finished the job to take it to a secure place.
so leaving it ,very vulnerable to attacks from the west , because he is dumb and fool ,and don't understand how to fight the west.


im not saying that putin is a complete disaster , because at the very very least ,he is not guaido or navalny ,he is not a traitor yet. but his actions ,will eventually lead him to become the next  gorvashev ,the man ,the at destroyed geographical historic russia and allowed it to split in many parts ,in change for "good relations with the west".  

So putin will be hated , will be cursed by all his followers , because his passive , turning the other check of russia will lead to the collapse of the country , allowing enemies full freedom to attack the nation and doing absolutely nothing ,to end the domination of the west with the cosmetic development of the nation. but not a real transformation of the nation as china is doing with their nation ,into a much more directly competitive one with the west .


Putin will not last a year in power , if there was real freedom of expression in russia , and most media was foreign controlled ,by the anglozionist west.     .  putin have vast majority of russia media
on his side and this helps enormously him ,to keep some of its popularity ,that is slowly but at a steady pace ,decreasing.

The discontent of population with putin can't be hidden anymore , is increasing (1 million Russians left the country ) and will exponentially increase even more , the more time that incompetent president remains holding power.


in more economic news..

Russia: Population shrinks for first time in 15 years

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/1/29/russia-population-shrinks-for-first-time-in-15-years


when population lose hope in their country , in their government ,in the master idiot president they leave. yet the same is happening in the west too , but there is a major big difference , the west is a global power with global reach , with global business and russia is a regional one , and they can do very well even losing half of their population ,which is actually what they want , since they are a modern economy , and their manufacturing is deployed mostly outside ,they don't need a big population to do well , They neither have so many muslims , threatening to become majority.
Russia have no future with incompetent putin in power.

Vann7 wrote:

Tingsay wrote:

Turns out you still can't answer how Genius russians can't stop voting for incompetent leaders at the same time still cant create high-tech bizniz. Huge contradiction there  

Will answer the question ,but not for you ,but for every other that repeats the same question ,because is one myth that many people have,and keeps repeating ,and is a complete lie. So your question expose the level of ignorance , that blocks your ability to understand anything.

Popularity ,which is what putin's enjoy does not necessarily means that he is a good president. President like Putin , win the vote of most population using the same tactics that every other dictators or autocratic president use to deceive population ,that he is a great president , but he is not.

North Korea Kim Jong-un , the  crazy rocket guy,  is very very popular in North Korea ,and he is so popular ,that he is worshiped like a God .Putin in the other hand is compared by idiots ,with peter the great at times or a chessmaster player.  but low iq people and mediocre people ,with low reasoning skills , are easy to manipulate with populism ,with freebies, with camera propaganda , with music in the background of videos, with him helping a nurse somewhere to get his check , with free tickets for sochi hotels with charity here or there . Point is with help of media ,you can turn a real idiot ,(like Putin is ) , into a super hero , if you have control of the media ,majority of it and manipulate them. And most population in most countries are dumb , and are easy to manipulate by media.

lenin ,(the british intel ,fabricated leader ) , won all elections he participated and he was very popular too ,for the same reasons, for populism tactics , telling majority of poor people ,the things they wanted to hear ,the free things they will get and using the press to manipulate them . hitler was also very popular too and he was elected democratically in real elections.  and he destroyed germany.

gorvashev was also popular and he was elected too , but he nearly destroyed the Russian nation.


The message is ,you can't use popularity and rating always as a signal of a good president , specially in a country that media is heavily controlled by the factions in power .

Majority of the society ,that is poor , specially the old people ,will always vote for anyone that brings free food to the table and tell things they want to hear ,how he will "Develop the nation" , even if he have to do that forever and never fix anything in the nation.  Putin is a very bad president , because he have zero strategy for the nation , other than surviving , that turning the other cheek ,whenever the west attack russia. this is very bad , because encourage the west to continue attacking russia economy , and attacking russian military by proxy , because the west know , they can get away with it ,because putin is weak , and soft , and very insecure ,and he will rather sacrifice russian soldiers lives and give condolences to his families , than to fight the west with its military ,or fight with business. he "saved russia " from collapse , and never finished the job to take it to a secure place.
so leaving it ,very vulnerable to attacks from the west , because he is dumb and fool ,and don't understand how to fight the west.


im not saying that putin is a complete disaster , because at the very very least ,he is not guaido or navalny ,he is not a traitor yet. but his actions ,will eventually lead him to become the next  gorvashev ,the man ,the at destroyed geographical historic russia and allowed it to split in many parts ,in change for "good relations with the west".  

So putin will be hated , will be cursed by all his followers , because his passive , turning the other check of russia will lead to the collapse of the country , allowing enemies full freedom to attack the nation and doing absolutely nothing ,to end the domination of the west with the cosmetic development of the nation. but not a real transformation of the nation as china is doing with their nation ,into a much more directly competitive one with the west .


Putin will not last a year in power , if there was real freedom of expression in russia , and most media was foreign controlled ,by the anglozionist west.     .  putin have vast majority of russia media
on his side and this helps enormously him ,to keep some of its popularity ,that is slowly but at a steady pace ,decreasing.

The discontent of population with putin can't be hidden anymore , is increasing (1 million Russians left the country ) and will exponentially increase even more , the more time that incompetent president remains holding power.


in more economic news..

Russia: Population shrinks for first time in 15 years

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/1/29/russia-population-shrinks-for-first-time-in-15-years


when population lose hope in their country , in their government ,in the master idiot president they leave. yet the same is happening in the west too , but there is a major big difference , the west is a global power with global reach , with global business and russia is a regional one , and they can do very well even losing half of their population ,which is actually what they want , since they are a modern economy , and their manufacturing is deployed mostly outside ,they don't need a big population to do well , They neither have so many muslims , threatening to become majority.
Russia have no future with incompetent putin in power.

Lol So where are the Genius Russians who are able to make High Tech bizniz? Why are they allowing Putin to use populist tactic? They are geniuses! Why cant they outplay the moron president? They can make Star Wars technologiez but they can't beat stupid Putin in employing Populist Tactic? Hahahahahaha

Even if they can't depose Putin, whats stopping them from creating so-so StarWars?

Answer the questions:
Why do these genius people who can make Star Wars Technologiez NEED approval from Putin?
Did Google makers need Bush/Obama to start making Star Wars Tech?
Did Facebook need Bush/Obama to start making High Tech Bizniz?
Did Amazon/Tesla/SpaceX need Bush/Obama to tell them what to do?
Why do these genius russian chosen ones NEED imbecile Putin?

You're gonna dodge these questions again aren't you.

Seems like these 4D chess master chosen ones are Genius Morons.
There are no such thing as genius morons, Vann

kvs wrote:Can we clean this thread of retard drivel spew by the two retard trolls?

GarryB is not doing his job properly. It's ok to go off topic once in a while but Vann does it all the time. Every post he makes leads to Putin except his coronavirus antivax posts.

What GarryB needs to do is either temporarily ban me and vann or just create an entire thread where me and vann can duke it out. I'll take the side of Imbecile Putin and he can support the chosen ones

This is a great title for the thread: "Imbecile Putin VS the chosen ones destined to create high tech bizniz to influence Western Dorks"

You must be joking that they're empty shells when most companies around the world will end up using either Azure or AWS as a cloud host for their services and in addition to that, Amazon is the biggest re-seller/online market platform in the West.

Amazon pays its workers minimum wage and during the covid crisis any workers who got sick got fired... during the covid crisis their home delivery services were in enormous demand... they made enormous profits during that period... over 100 billion dollars in profits, but they fired any worker who got sick and missed a day of work... and to be clear in the US the company is responsible for their health insurance, so when they get sick they lose their health insurance too...

Amazon is scum and not something any company boss should admire or respect.

Hole wrote:Google and Facebook are not tech companies. They´re advertising companies. Instead of billboards they use your own tech device.

Do you understand how Facebook advertising works?

To even presume that Google is not a tech company is borderline retarded. Look at their product portfolio.

GarryB wrote:Amazon pays its workers minimum wage and during the covid crisis any workers who got sick got fired...

It sucks to be at the bottom of the ladder on any corporate structure as you're easily replaceable and your 'human worth' means **** all to the people above you; though that's hardly the topic at hand, hm?

gorvashev was also popular and he was elected too , but he nearly destroyed the Russian nation.


The message is ,you can't use popularity and rating always as a signal of a good president , specially in a country that media is heavily controlled by the factions in power .

Gorby was popular in the west... he was not popular in Russia... Gorby was leader of the Soviet Union... he was elected like Stalin was elected or Brezhnev, or Kruschev...

He was popular in the west because he did all the wrong things and let the Soviet Union collapse... he was a hero... in the west.

Yeltsin was also popular in the west because he believed the wests bullshit and let lots of westerners steal billions of dollars worth of assets and cash from the country pretending they were fixing things.

Popularity rating in the west is directly related to how much of a bitch they are and how competent they are... incompetent bitches are the wests best buddies because they let the West rape and steal. It is the leaders who say no.... they want to nationalise the oil on their land so the people of their country benefit from the mineral wealth, so western companies can't come in a steal it all from under their noses...

It sucks to be at the bottom of the ladder on any corporate structure as you're easily replaceable and your 'human worth' means **** all to the people above you; though that's hardly the topic at hand, hm?

A person who runs a company that makes billions of dollars makes the front line people who make them their money pays them minimum wage and that is OK because that is the corporate structure.

When the people in a company become an item on a list like staples or coffee machines... when the division of a company that looks after workers at the company is now called human resources.... companies are becoming pyramid schemes.... and we all know they end up making the people at the top rich and the rest end up doing all the work.

I am surprised there are not more rich people in the west shot.

It is funny, in the 1980s all the bad guys in US TV were big companies... usually screwing over the little guy... and the hero of the series would save the little guy because the police were always helpless to do anything.

Seems when big companies own all the media companies they don't get such bad publicity any more...

Shame everyone is so fixated on their rights and not their social responsibilities... and that is individuals and companies.

GarryB wrote:A person who runs a company that makes billions of dollars makes the front line people who make them their money pays them minimum wage and that is OK because that is the corporate structure.

The reason they get paid almost nothing is because it's low-skill labor. They can offer just above minimum wage (where that is applicable by law) and they'll have people lining out outside the door to work.

The exact same happens in Russia, China, Iran, India. It is how the labor market has worked, at least for the past couple of decades. It's why you don't piss the time away in school.

nero wrote:
The reason they get paid almost nothing is because it's low-skill labor. They can offer just above minimum wage (where that is applicable by law) and they'll have people lining out outside the door to work.

The exact same happens in Russia, China, Iran, India. It is how the labor market has worked, at least for the past couple of decades. It's why you don't piss the time away in school.

Never heard of college grads working for essentially free as interns just to have that needed work experience have you?

lyle6 wrote:

nero wrote:
The reason they get paid almost nothing is because it's low-skill labor. They can offer just above minimum wage (where that is applicable by law) and they'll have people lining out outside the door to work.

The exact same happens in Russia, China, Iran, India. It is how the labor market has worked, at least for the past couple of decades. It's why you don't piss the time away in school.

Never heard of college grads working for essentially free as interns just to have that needed work experience have you?

This happens to STEM students in the US, especially those majoring in biological sciences and computer, chemical, civil and industrial engineering, since theres a massive surplus of skilled labor in those fields.

lyle6 wrote:Never heard of college grads working for essentially free as interns just to have that needed work experience have you?

College graduates do not work low-skilled labor for Amazon to get 'needed work experience'.

There are companies that take up paid interns (i.e. the one I work for). Unfortunately for some specialties there are a lot of candidates and most of them are quite bad as a college degree is becoming a useless filter now.

So we have an anti Putin discussion thread. And yet there is still literally nothing productive about it. Van7's posts are the political equivalent of writing on bathroom walls.

You cant post legit criticisms of Putin because the cretinous demagogues aren't arguing in good faith. It might as well be a Radio Free Europe comment section.

Tingsay wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

Tingsay wrote:

Turns out you still can't answer how Genius russians can't stop voting for incompetent leaders at the same time still cant create high-tech bizniz. Huge contradiction there  

Will a

Lol So where are the Genius Russians who are able to make High Tech bizniz? Why are they allowing Putin to use populist tactic? They are geniuses! Why cant they outplay the moron president? They can make Star Wars technologiez but they can't beat stupid Putin in employing Populist Tactic? Hahahahahaha

Even if they can't depose Putin, whats stopping them from creating so-so StarWars?

Answer the questions:
Why do these genius people who can make Star Wars Technologiez NEED approval from Putin?
Did Google makers need Bush/Obama to start making Star Wars Tech?
Did Facebook need Bush/Obama to start making High Tech Bizniz?
Did Amazon/Tesla/SpaceX  need Bush/Obama to tell them what to do?
Why do these genius russian chosen ones NEED imbecile Putin?

You're gonna dodge these questions again aren't you.

Seems like these 4D chess master chosen ones are Genius Morons.  
There are no such thing as genius morons, Vann

You pathetic fool. SpaceX and Tesla are both promotional frauds designed to pump stock prices and harvest government tax credits. So yes. Those companies exist because of direction from govt.

Amazon does not make profits. Its also a ponzi scheme that subsidizes an online store. https://www.ben-evans.com/benedictevans/2014/9/4/why-amazon-has-no-profits-and-why-it-works

All of these big companies in the US are not the result of business acumen. The US fluked its way into getting the "reserve" currency after WW2. Except it didn't just get that. Reserve currency only meant that your ccy was linked to gold. It did not mean that your debt replaced gold. But by some fluke, US debt replaced gold.

So USD's from suckers like China and Japan, get exported from the US, and then lent back to the US. Wall St. Silcon valley and K street, get to waste these dollars into the air and call it a business. This is why the US has all of these fake ponzi companies that make no sense.

Backman wrote:So we have an anti Putin discussion thread. And yet there is still literally nothing productive about it. Van7's posts are the political equivalent of writing on bathroom walls.

You cant post legit criticisms of Putin because the cretinous demagogues aren't arguing in good faith. It might as well be a Radio Free Europe comment section.

I would ban all these retards, but Garry sees this as a vaccination effort and at least has tried to encapsulate the crap. He is very generous of providing bandwidth to these cretins, hope they are grateful for that at least.

Backman wrote:

Tingsay wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

Tingsay wrote:

Turns out you still can't answer how Genius russians can't stop voting for incompetent leaders at the same time still cant create high-tech bizniz. Huge contradiction there  

Will a

Lol So where are the Genius Russians who are able to make High Tech bizniz? Why are they allowing Putin to use populist tactic? They are geniuses! Why cant they outplay the moron president? They can make Star Wars technologiez but they can't beat stupid Putin in employing Populist Tactic? Hahahahahaha

Even if they can't depose Putin, whats stopping them from creating so-so StarWars?

Answer the questions:
Why do these genius people who can make Star Wars Technologiez NEED approval from Putin?
Did Google makers need Bush/Obama to start making Star Wars Tech?
Did Facebook need Bush/Obama to start making High Tech Bizniz?
Did Amazon/Tesla/SpaceX  need Bush/Obama to tell them what to do?
Why do these genius russian chosen ones NEED imbecile Putin?

You're gonna dodge these questions again aren't you.

Seems like these 4D chess master chosen ones are Genius Morons.  
There are no such thing as genius morons, Vann

You pathetic fool. SpaceX and Tesla are both promotional frauds designed to pump stock prices and harvest government tax credits. So yes. Those companies exist because of direction from govt.

Amazon does not make profits. Its also a ponzi scheme that subsidizes an online store. https://www.ben-evans.com/benedictevans/2014/9/4/why-amazon-has-no-profits-and-why-it-works

All of these big companies in the US are not the result of business acumen. The US fluked its way into getting the "reserve" currency after WW2. Except it didn't just get that. Reserve currency only meant that your ccy was linked to gold. It did not mean that your debt replaced gold. But by some fluke, US debt replaced gold.

So USD's from suckers like China and Japan, get exported from the US, and then lent back to the US. Wall St. Silcon valley and K street, get to waste these dollars into the air and call it a business. This is why the US has all of these fake ponzi companies that make no sense.

Lol I am very aware of  Elon Musk being a fake inventor conman who literally stole paypal, tesla and took all the credit to feed his ego. Vann was sucking Elon's dick a few years ago , now he has shut up about him. I think even he has realized the Muskrat is a fraud.
I was simply making the point to Vann7 that civilian business is mostly up to civilians and not up to the President. If you credit all failures to a President you should also do the same to all success. You'd still be wrong either way. Presidents and what vann calls as "Leadership" are all overrated, they are just general spokespersons.

Oh and facebook and Amazon are legitimate businesses. They just got so big and powerful dragging the already rich and powerful major stakeholders and investors  with them to even higher wealth that they lobby for government to keep them afloat. That is a problem with any company that gets too much power and influence. It's an expected outcome in a hyper-capitalist society. Russia experiences this too but in a smaller scale. This does not change the fact that they started out as respectable business ideas and did not need government assistance to jumpstart.

Backman wrote:So we have an anti Putin discussion thread. And yet there is still literally nothing productive about it. Van7's posts are the political equivalent of writing on bathroom walls.

You cant post legit criticisms of Putin because the cretinous demagogues aren't arguing in good faith. It might as well be a Radio Free Europe comment section.

LOL...

So you want me to praise a disastrous president , just that people who like him don't feel offended?

Praising an incompetent President , will not help Russia in any way or form , he needs to be kicked from power , with a major civil protest , but not lead by the navalny idiots ,because if putin continues he will destroy Russia for real , will be far worse than gorbashev and yeltsin combined , if he continue in power .  Putin is provoking a world war 3 to happen for real , with his weakness and insecurity.
You never show weakness and insecurity to your enemies , or they will take advantage of it .

about Legit criticisms ?
what is your definition of "legit criticism" ?

Putin is an incompetent and this is a legit criticism , he don't understand at all what Leadership really means  ,  The #1 job of a leader , is to  lead , to inspire and motivate population , but he is instead a demoralizer , this is the worse kind of leader you can have. The second worse kind of leader is one without vision of the future, which is what putin suffer , lack of vision for russia future. he see russia as a gas station of the world.    This is where he more invest , in pipelines .    He don't understand that all russian problems are directly related for his mediocre influence and the mediocre influence of russian soft power , of russia business with the world ,in comparison with anglo western system.

He is not a leader , putin is just a manager , and a bad one ,who holds power , thanks to his mayor support of russia controlled media and ability to manipulate population with freebies and social benefits.  but he have no real strategy at all for Russia future if all that he does is focus in pipelines to europe and promote "Healthy Sports !!!"  




as he call it .    
instead of promoting sports , he russia government needs to promote education and college degrees , lifetime careers , that can help the nation to grow and modernize its economy ,and get high level education in science and high tech and arts , that is what makes a nation to be remembered , for the business that truly change the world for generations.  What Putin encourage is cosmetic development , a generation of dummies ,with this obsession for temporary fame contest  ,in bullshit contest of sports.




the medals that putin needs to promote are not meaningless sport contest , but space exploration medals , high tech industry record sales , things that really can change the world ,for the better. not
for the worse.  

What competitive sports promote is Tribalism ,  trash talking and also racist insults between nations ,the humiliation of the others and bottle fights .    

There is nothing constructive to talk about putin other than he saved russia 20 years ago from sinking ,but leave the nation in the eye of the storm ,instead of taking it to secure port.
Russia will never ever be safe , with a president that don't understand how critically important is for russia ,to break their unilateral system of the west.   And asking politely nations ,to please stop doing business with americans ,stop using dollars ,because putin is nice and he say please.    will not work.

to "dedolarize" the west for real , you need to counter and defeat the most influential and popular business of the anglowest. that are , their space program ,their high tech electronics and software and entertainment industry. because this are business that have global reach , global influence and
attract all the young generations of the world.  Because putin offers ZERO competition to the west ,
then russia will fail to influence the world away from that system.. this is why europe don't respect or listen russia, the anglo powers have leadership /massive domination with their business and russia not even offers any competition to them.  

So it will be impossible for putin to fix russia problems ever , he will never stop being putin.
he is too old to understand , the mistakes he is making , and he will not become a leader over night.
Russia needs a very different person ,as leader , someone very connected with the young and adult population ,that understand very well them.  In Summary .. putin problems are.

1) don't understand at all what leadership is .
2) don't have a vision of the future for the nation ,not ambitious at all.
3) is totally locked in the past , very outdated president.
4) putin is very insecure about himself and highly ignorant of what society needs.

So he is very bad , is almost like an stupid , in what he is doing . he behavior ,the weak way he behaves , the insecurity he project. As a leader , putin is terrible.  But not completely , because
at least he seems to really want to help his nation , but he is too stupid to really know how to do it.
is cool ,he is patriotic and temporality prevented russia from sinking , but what's the point of
temporality saving russia ,to let it sink again ? a waste of time indeed.

He needs to resign , the sooner the better and put a real leader instead there.
Russia needs someone like Xi Jinping , or anyone , with real ambitions for leading the world into the future.  Russia cannot exist as a second or third best , in a system like the one we have today ruled by the anglozionist evil west. Is either Russia or china lead the world and save their countries ,by creating a new system ,or Anglowest consolidate their power and russia and china erased from history.

He needs to resign , the sooner the better and put a real leader instead there.

Who?

Navalny?

You?

You complain and moan about Putin not being the right man for the job... WTF does it have to do with you?

Are you a Russian citizen?

You are one of these whiny western losers who realises how evil the west actually is but don't have the balls or intelligence to do anything about it... you want Russia to save the world.

Putin doesn't want to save the world from the west, he just wants them to stop the west doing what it does... interfering in Russia and with Russias trade partners to limit their growth and prosperity. Can't have the second and third world living better than the first world... no matter how hard they work for it.

His greatest fault in your eyes is that he is not some white knight here to save everyone... he is the President of Russia, he is not some new Marvel Avenger character that will make white cool again.... that ship has sailed.

There is no button on his desk marked "prosperity for Russia" that he can choose to push and it automatically makes things perfect for Russia.

GarryB wrote:
Putin doesn't want to save the world from the west, he just wants them to stop the west doing what it does... interfering in Russia and with Russias trade partners to limit their growth and prosperity.  Can't have the second and third world living better than the first world... no matter how hard they work for it.

i never said putin need to save the world .most of the world is safe and at peace,
is his nation what he needs to save.  

he just wants them to stop the west doing what it does...

And how he plans to do that ?

by asking politely americans to "please be nice ,don't do that , that breaks our nation"

This is what the west wants , to break Russia in a million of parts , so putin can't remain passive
for 21 years , and not challenge a single popular business in the west. he needs to fight back  with modern business.  


So ..what part you don't understand that..
Russia needs to fight back ???  

Asking politely the west to stop , or hosting olympic events , winning all medals ,will not
convince the west to stop doing what is doing.

Russia need to fight back the west by replacing their top most popular business in the world , with russian business , but not asking politely nations to please don't use dollars , but instead creating an alternative business world ,to completely replace anglo western most important , popular and influential business ,that allows them to influence all the nations of the world.

Needs to pressure the western economy , by creating superior business , without modern business leadership ,their dollar will go down , and economy will fall , and this will pressure them to cooperate with russia if don't want their nation to be erased with a total economic collapse.

ignoring the western hostilities , which was putin is doing ,will not help. and continue developing most of russia economy , as a third world commodities focused economy , will not convince any nation to abandon the dollar , or stop doing business with the west. because russia offers nothing the world ,to replace the anglo western business and their closest puppet asian allies.

Something so simple , why is hard for you to understand ? russia needs to fight back their enemies
by damaging their economy. period.   he also could do it with the military , if he wants , but i doubt he will do that , and neither im proposing military war , but business war .
space exploration war , semiconductor war , high tech industry war , fight fight fight to break their influence over the world ,with their innovative leading and popular business.

and neither russia needs to do it alone , he can make an alliance with china ,india ,all BRICS nations and others to bring down the western business lead over the world. Starting with a new internet ,so that the west can't brainwash russian citizens with their fake news social media. All russia problems
are 100% cause of the mediocre way Putin developed the russia economy ,and a banana state of gas discounts and food and mining. with some few weapons sold to third world nations.