S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #2

GarryB wrote:Think how big that makes the Kirov class cruisers as their front deck has 20 angled tubes for Granit, plus rotary launchers for Rif-M which is the S-300F or the S-300/S-400 sized tubes mounted under the deck...

Vann7 wrote:IF Russia does not deliver S-300's to Syria it will be bad.. it will be they not honoring their word again..
as they did with IRAN.. Syria paid since 2008 for S-300s missiles and still have not yet received them only
empty promises.   

This is totally stupid. Even Syria ordered 12 Mig-29 in 2008.. and still have not delivered them.. And this is paid
in advance. Russia foreign policy is at times totally ludicrous . How Russia expect to be taken seriously and countries to seek their independence if they do not support their historical allies when more they need it.

http://en.ria.ru/world/20130809/182673359/No-Russian-S-300-Systems-for-Syria-Until-2014--Paper.html

Syria paid for the S-300s missiles long time ago.. and now Russia is saying will not deliver them at all.. perhaps
for fear of not annoying their "partners" in the west. this is so unprofessional that Syria have the right to demand in a court their money back with a fine.. Basically the same Russia did to IRAN ,is what they doing to Syria.  Unless Russia supplied the missiles in secret , i cannot imagine how can they justify breaching their contract again.

- As is the case with the re-equipment of troops command in the run-up to create a unified air defense system, defense of the country? 

- It is planned that the new anti-aircraft missile system S-500 will be the main tool to create strategic air defense systems, missile defense. We look forward to her admission to the troops. I hope that the first copy of the standard anti-aircraft missile system S-500 will go just to equip the troops entrusted to me. 

The system of non-strategic missile defense in Moscow, which will be integrated in the air defense system, defense of the country, is constantly improving. Being overhauled and tests were armed missiles "Gazelle" and future missile defenses. 

- Do you expect entry into service of new sets of S-400 and ZRPK "Armour-S"? 

- Armed with anti-aircraft missile forces Air Defense Command-PRO already has three anti-aircraft missile system S-400, which are equipped with three anti-aircraft missile regiment. Each shelf has anti-aircraft missile and artillery battalion, equipped with a set of "Armour-S", intended for direct cover of S-400, the command post and other objects of the enemy precision weapons. Until the end, another anti-aircraft missile regiment of our command to rearm for S-400 and after the initial firings at the Kapustin Yar intercede on combat duty in the defense of Moscow. 

- Until 2020, will create a ring radar horizon detection "Container-Z" air defense system. How are the tests of the first samples HFZ "container"? 

- December 2, 2013, my first participation radar HFZ "Container-W" in Kolylkine (Republic Mordovia) put on an experimental combat duty. Today, it can be argued that inherent in it the possibility of using one hundred percent. The station sees all airborne targets at a distance of 3,000 km and is one of the means of intelligence and prevention of air-space attack the enemy. Our station is a few minutes recognizes the characteristics of military aircraft, dangerous for our country, even when they are on the runway in the border with the Russian states. 

Today, technology, close to the radar HFZ "Container", owned by seven countries. But unlike their Western counterparts, our network radar HFZ will be placed not along the border and in the interior of the country, which ensures its vitality. And this arrangement characteristics of the station "Container-W" in Kovylkino allow you to control the West, and in the future strategic direction of the South. Thus increase the chances of radio station troops who control the airspace within Russia, a few hundred kilometers. 

- How to organize pairing forces and means of air and missile defense? 

- Armed with the command post of our association, which is now called the Air Defense Command Control Center-PRO consist of automated management tools "Bastion-FOR" and "Universal-1." They directly drive the combat use of a compound of air defense, have the opportunity to interact with the information system of missile defense. 

- In the press coined the term "missile artillery." Can you tell us about the purpose of these weapons? 

- On this the first time I heard the term. But I can say that the active protection systems, which are capable of destroying an aerial target for a few hundred meters from her approaching the object being developed. This new weapons designed to protect against missiles "air-to-ground." It will add all the current views and air defense.

Austin wrote: 

 - In the press coined the term "missile artillery."  Can you tell us about the purpose of these weapons? 

 - On this the first time I heard the term.  But I can say that the active protection systems, which are capable of destroying an aerial target for a few hundred meters from her approaching the object being developed.  This new weapons designed to protect against missiles "air-to-ground."  It will add all the current views and air defense.

Mike E wrote:Funny, I've been thinking about the same thing... Morfey, based on its intended role, could probably be used as an "extended range" APS system. - I thought the maximum range was 10 km, but I could be ill-informed.

GarryB wrote:Supersonic doesn't make much difference... if anything a supersonic target is less able to out manouver a highly supersonic SAM.

In 1990 an F-117 could not have bombed Moscow because it would be armed with two laser guided bombs and is subsonic so even an old model MiG-29 with IR guided missiles and IRST could run it down and kill it.

Mindstorm wrote:

etaepsilonk wrote:Interesting. Could you provide me with the formula you used for these calculations?

Do you really are requesting a formula for this elementary example ?
What i have represented in the example with the increase of the number of Growlers from 5 to 25 is the product of the square increase of the required jamming radiated power (i the selected band) for effect of the doubling of the propagation range, in order to maintain the same signal density at the receive antenna ; simple like that

etaepsilonk wrote:But you see, that square function "punishes" both sides equally.
So, we can say that growler number increase from 5 to 25.

GarryB wrote:

A lot would depend on initial detection. A certain cessna in red square clearly proves that.

That cessna was continuously tracked well before it entered Soviet airspace. Once MiG-23s had determined it was a civilian aircraft the intercept was handed to a nearby helicopter unit because the very low flight speed of the MiGs made communication difficult... if it had been an F-117 there would have been no problem as the MiGs could simply have blown it out of the sky with 23mm cannon shells, but shooting down a clearly civilian air craft would not have looked good... especially after shooting down the Korean airliner.

the helicopters sent to force the cessna to land had trouble locating it because they didn't have radar and not trained for air interception.

I believe in the 1990s the Bulgarian Hinds got a kill shooting down a balloon though so it can be done.

Mindstorm wrote:Clear now ?

GarryB wrote:

Speed does help with missile evasion. A certain mig-25 sortie in Iraq clearly proves that.

Firing at a supersonic receding target at near max range of a missile is always going to have a very low probability of a kill... in that case however it was a situation where making the iraqi aircraft run away was as good as killing it because it made it go away.