S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #2

Thanks , Any information on the average speed on 48N6E2 and E2 missile ?

New Video

Army tests Anti-aircraft missile system S-400 "Triumph"

^^ Ok Thanks

Came across many S-400 brochure from this block article http://trishul-trident.blogspot.in/2015/10/the-iafs-perception-management.html

91N6E Radar Complex
98J6E Air Defence Missile Complex
92N6E Multifunctional Radar
S-400 Triumph Air Defence Missile System
30K6E Command and Control Element
55 K6E Combat Control Post
40N6E SAM

If 40N6 is capable of intercepting BM target correspond to range of 3500 km then it is capable of intercepting targets flying at 5 km/sec and not 4.8 km/sec as they advertise

http://fas.org/nuke/control/abmt/chron.htm

The United States proposes to define a TMD interceptor as one with a demonstrated capability to intercept a ballistic missile whose reentry vehicle velocity does not exceed 5 kilometers/second, roughly the reentry speed of a warhead on a 3,500-kilometer range missile.

10th Unit to receive S-400. It will be for Western Siberia which I assume means Novosibirsk.

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fitar-tass.com%2Farmiya-i-vpk&sandbox=1

Old News but imp http://www.almaz-antey.ru/news.php?id=52

A bit older but interesting news on their official website
link

Moscow. 27 The regiment, consisting of two battalions of antiaircraft missile system (ZRS) C-400 will be adopted for the Air Forces of Russia in 2005, told Interfax-AVN, Acting Chief of the Air Force, Colonel-General Anatoly Nogovitsyn.

"In accordance with the state defense order, this year's planned adoption of the adopted one regiment-400. It will be located in the Moscow region", - said A. Nogovitsyn.

"Polk the first pilot, in his battle of the two divisions," - he said.

"C-400 is able to effectively destroy both existing, and to create ballistic missiles, small and medium-range missiles that will threaten the territory of the Russian Federation", - the general said, noting that the WLU "works great and ballistic targets, and an aerodynamic" .

According to A. Nogovitsyn, developed by Concern PVO Almaz-Antey S-400 - "a completely new system, when creating which has been applied a new approach - the principle of modularity. He explained that having a basic version of 4 types of missiles, C-400 has great potential for further modernization. In particular, the launcher of the new WLU unified under the standard of existing missiles old park, which are in service with S-300 systems."In the same volume and the overall weight and dimensions data we" fit in "all subsequent modules used rockets", - emphasized A. Nogovitsyn.

Due to the high degree of unification of the park one missile system S-400 will increase to six. S-400 missiles can destroy targets in near space - at altitudes up to 185 km, at a distance of 400-450 km, the general said, noting that WLU is capable to work on maritime and ground targets. "It is a new complex, noise-free, with high accuracy characteristics, including the possibility of targeting the aviation component," - he stressed.


"So, AAMS is a unified, no analogues in the world", - A. Nogovitsyn.

Now there are gosipytaniya system. With a full set of S-400 missiles will be adopted, tentatively, by 2008," - said A. Nogovitsyn.

Got some more info on Nakhimov modernisation from tender published and carried by blog http://alexeyvvo.livejournal.com/153950.html

Modernization of "Nakhimov". Purchases. Part 6: anti-missile system 3M-48 "Fort-M"

Thus, in the course of the modernization of the cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" Both SAM "Fort" will be further developed to the level of SAM "Fort-M" (which currently exists in a single copy in the form of a nasal installation "Peter the Great"), the turret launchers B-203A will probably have to be made ​​for the possibility of work using new types of missiles. Among the types of missiles that will be used in the "new" SAM how to use even the first two cruisers Project 1144/11442 5V5RM and entered service "Nakhimov" (then - "Kalinin") 48N6K and naval version from the foundation of SAM With -400 - 48N6DMK with an active radar seeker and a range of up to 250 km.

So Naval SAM of S-400 series are part of its modernisation and importantly the 48N6DMK with range of 250 km has got Active radar seeker.

The 48N6 series are part of S-400 series and as discuseed in missile dhaga it got 250 km range and SAGG guidance but now it seems they have moved to full ARH type.

So eventually we can expect all the missile of S-400 series will have ARH guidance , makes sense as at those long ranges the radar channel can be used to guide other missile and LOS is now less of issue

Russia's Western Military District Receives 2 Triumf Air Defense Systems

According to Russian Western Military District spokesman, two units of the advanced S-400 Triumf air defense missile systems were delivered to the district.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) – Two units of the advanced S-400 Triumf air defense missile systems were delivered to Russian Western Military District forces in the Leningrad Region, a district spokesman said Wednesday.

"New military equipment has been accepted for combat duty for air border protection in the northwest of Russia," Col. Oleg Kochetkov said.

Kochetkov noted that the S-400 Triumf, Russia's next-generation anti-aircraft system, was designed to acquire and destroy current and future aerospace attacks. At a range of 400 kilometers (248 miles) the system is capable of hitting aircraft and cruise missiles, and, at a distance of up to 60 kilometers, it can destroy ballistic targets.

Russia is currently carrying out a $325-billion rearmament program to modernize 70-percent of its military equipment by 2020.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20151125/1030716856/russia-triumf-air-defense-systems.html#ixzz3sXoRgGWe

Experts: the transfer of the S-400 to Syria will allow the aircraft to cover Russia and the test system

The plans place the newest system S-400 on the Syrian Hmeymim airbase, where Russian aircraft stationed, said Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu

MOSCOW, November 25. / TASS /. Anti-aircraft missile system S-400 "Triumph" that Russia has decided to transfer to Syria after the death of the bomber Su-24M, will not only ensure the protection of the Russian aircraft throughout the Middle Eastern country, but also can be tested in combat conditions. Such an opinion was expressed by 25 November TASS interviewed military experts.

What happened

The plans place the newest system S-400 on the Syrian Hmeymim airbase, where Russian aircraft stationed, said November 25 Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu. As explained later, Assistant to the President for Military-Technical Cooperation, Vladimir Kozhin, leave the newest systems in Syria is not planned - they are transported back to Russia after the operation against terrorists.

The decision to transfer the S-400 to the Middle East was a reaction to the loss of the Su-24M, which was shot down on the eve of the Turkish F-16 fighter. Turkey said that the downed aircraft violated the airspace of the country, while the Defense Ministry insisted on the opposite - a Turkish fighter plane intruded into the sky over Syria and Russian bomber did not break any boundaries.

The night before, the Russian General Staff, voiced a number of measures that Russia will after the death of Su-24M. To the coast of Syria have approached the missile cruiser "Moskva", equipped with air defense system "Fort" - the Marine version of the S-300, S-400 predecessor. Russian planes are now to be sent in combat missions with Hmeymim airbases with fighter escort. In addition, the military promised to destroy any target that would pose a potential threat to Russian aviation in Syria.

As noted in an interview with Trend. TASS Head of the strategic situation, Ivan Konovalov, the C-400 is one of the most long-range air defense systems. "He hit 400 kilometers, - the expert reminded. - Thus, the complex can cover a large part of the conflict zone."

According to Konovalov, range S-400 would be enough to cover the Russian group on the whole territory of Syria.

Former Director General of the International Military Cooperation of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation Yevgeny Buzhinskiy noted that "Triumph" will be able to destroy targets, and over the territory of Turkey. "The S-400 can control the plane or other object on Turkish territory, but of course it will not be used for this purpose," - said the general.

Buzhinskiy noted that the C-400 can be tested in Syria, in a combat situation. "Of course, our specialists interesting to see how the system will work in combat, but it should be understood that such conditions can not be created at all, and then the test will not" - he said.
Possible reactions

Russian President Vladimir Putin did not discuss with the representatives of the alliance, which includes Turkey, Syria to the transfer of the most advanced air defense system, which is armed with Russia.

Experts believe that NATO will not respond to sending S-400 to Syria. "I think that NATO did not react to the decision. Pereterpit they nothing else to do. Especially after what happened yesterday, they will be silent," - said Konovalov.

He explained that the reaction of the alliance on the eve of the tragic incident was "absolutely toothless."

Buzhinskiy suggested that within the organization there is "unequivocal support for the actions of Turkey." "I believe that no reaction (the deployment of S-400) on the part of NATO is not followed," - said the general.

"It is the sovereign right of Russia - deployed in coordination with the Syrian government on its territory of any means to destroy the terrorists," - he stressed.

ЗРК С-400 заступил на боевое дежурство по противовоздушной обороне на авиабазе Хмеймим
Ru C400 missle land the Syria!

Published on Nov 26, 2015 [11.27.2015 02:41:53]

S-400 AA missile system has been put on air defence combat duty at the Hmeymim airbase

Let shoot the turky!

Any reason why didn't they use S-300 variants or S-2500 why S-400 ?


I know it's a golden opportunity to test it in real warfare but still why not those ^ ? ( One of Ship is using S-300F )

max steel wrote:
Any reason why didn't they use S-300 variants or S-2500 why S-400 ?


I know it's a golden opportunity to test it in real warfare but still why not those ^ ? ( One of Ship is using S-300F )

Ru very nice. donate the 5 divison C300 Kazakh

Let send SAA free

By sitting in Syria with S-400 that too with the russian version not export version NATO might be gathering intel on how to counter the S-400. Russia will also be doing ELINT on all coalition and Israel. Israel radars will also be turned on. Syria is the best real estate in Middleast now.

max steel wrote:By sitting in Syria with S-400 that too with the russian version not export version NATO might be  gathering intel on how to counter the S-400. Russia will also be doing ELINT on all coalition and Israel. Israel radars will also be turned on. Syria is the best real estate in Middleast now.

I don't get what was the purpose of sending the S 400 to Syria? They could have just sent the S 300 or other S 300 variant.

par far wrote:

max steel wrote:By sitting in Syria with S-400 that too with the russian version not export version NATO might be  gathering intel on how to counter the S-400. Russia will also be doing ELINT on all coalition and Israel. Israel radars will also be turned on. Syria is the best real estate in Middleast now.

I don't get what was the purpose of sending the S 400 to Syria? They could have just sent the S 300 or other S 300 variant.

Read my 1st post above, that's what I said. Maybe Range issues or to test its complexity in such a complex hot war.

The most important thing is the speed of delivery and putting the S-400 in the operation.

The distance could not be less than few thousand km and it took Russia less than 24 hours

Comparing with the time needed to deploy Patriot missile batteryies from Germany /Netherland to Turkey for which it took 3 or 4 months to become operational

strategic mobility of S-400 system is unparalleled.

So, I guess this is referring to S-500? Article says "near future" without giving a specific date. Been hearing things like this for quite a while, though. I really hope it does make its debut soon.

Russian Aerospace Forces to Receive Advanced Missile Defenses
The Russian Aerospace Forces will receive a modernized missile defense system in the near future, Colonel Andrei Cheburin announced.
Pavel Lisitsyn, 28.11.2015

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20151128/1030926953/russian-new-missile-defenses.html#ixzz3spJ614KY

max steel wrote:

par far wrote:

max steel wrote:By sitting in Syria with S-400 that too with the russian version not export version NATO might be  gathering intel on how to counter the S-400. Russia will also be doing ELINT on all coalition and Israel. Israel radars will also be turned on. Syria is the best real estate in Middleast now.

I don't get what was the purpose of sending the S 400 to Syria? They could have just sent the S 300 or other S 300 variant.

Read my 1st post above, that's what I said. Maybe Range issues or to test its complexity in such a complex hot war.

I suspect that again Moscow wanted to make political as well as military capability points. They could have sent the S-300 etc but they are 'common'. By sending the S-400 they showed they were deadly serious (point 1) so willing and able to deploy the 'best' (point 2) in a very short time, (point 3). Also serious enough to let the West listen to it at short range (point 4).

By deploying the S-400 with its long range it left the option open for 'fill-in' units for gaps in coverage due to the range (point 5). A shorter range S-300 would not have given that easy option.

At the end of the war, if Russia removes it there will be an arguement that replacing it with a 'Syrian' S-300 will be a downgrade (point 6).

Just like the Indian Su-27 at Red Flag, there may well be a 'training' mode to hide the full potential.

Incidentally, the dispersal hard standing points for the system were already in position ready for its arrival, just as the S-400 system was probably parked in the corner of an airfield just waiting for its moment in the limelight. An awful lot of thought has clearly gone into the evolution of this deployment and it shows.

Whether the S-400 works as well as it is thought it can is no longer really important, the West, from its reaction, clearly believes it does. Politicians around the world, who know little about defence matters, have become much more aware of the capabilities of Russia over the past couple of months, probably shattering a few myths and hopefully making the world a safer place.

Viktor wrote:The most important thing is the speed of delivery and putting the S-400 in the operation.

The distance could not be less than few thousand km and it took Russia less than 24 hours

Comparing with the time needed to deploy Patriot missile batteryies from Germany /Netherland to Turkey for which it took 3 or 4 months to become operational

strategic mobility of S-400 system is unparalleled.

Spot on

par far wrote:

max steel wrote:By sitting in Syria with S-400 that too with the russian version not export version NATO might be  gathering intel on how to counter the S-400. Russia will also be doing ELINT on all coalition and Israel. Israel radars will also be turned on. Syria is the best real estate in Middleast now.

I don't get what was the purpose of sending the S 400 to Syria? They could have just sent the S 300 or other S 300 variant.

S-400s have active homing (versu semi-active of s-300),better protection against Counter Electronics and also better defense against Cruise missiles and way better ballistic missiles interception at up to 185km altitude and way better range. They don't want to take any risk that a major war start with Turkey and they experience loses for not having the best defenses. Now with the S-400 Russia can target Telaviv planes from latakia or half of the turkey airspace. and with AWAC support it will cover also low altitude planes.

The only real unknown will be how S-400s behave under heavy jamming and counter electronic environment from NATO. That is if NATO can jam or not them. But it will be better if Russia only use them when a major war start..and any plane interception done with the S-300s instead or with Russian Su-30sm.. that long range missiles can fly 200km and do the same.

GarryB wrote:It calls it a modernised missile so perhaps it refers to the S-350 which is an evolution of the two smaller S-400 missiles rather than a brand new design like the S-500.

That sounds right. S-500 is generally described as new, not evolutionary.

Radars and EW systems have multiple operating modes. The most commonly used mode is the training/peacetime mode which provides basic functionality. Then there are wartime/contingency modes which use sophisticated, closely guarded techniques. NATO, like they couldn't have done the same thing with the S-400's stationed in Kaliningrad in a far more hostile SIGINT enviroment.

Just because an S-400 is deployed doesn't mean anyone will learn about all its features and operating modes.The S-400 will likely operate in strict EMCON rules. 92N6 radar which i believe would be the most interesting part for ELINT may only radiate if need arise. Most of the time it won't radiate and stay in standby.

Most of the early warning will come from already existing radar.


I've more doubts , help me out pointwise :

1)How it will counter if these f-16 carry HARM , each F-16 can carry 4 HARMs , if these were 30 F-16 they could carry a total of 120 HARMs , that is 120 missiles moving at speed > mach 2 ?

2)What is the minimum engagement altitude for the S-400. I do not think that Almaz-Antey has ever released a minimum engagement altitude for the S-400,but would expect it to be in the region of 10 m. ( If they fire HARM at ultra low altitude ?)

3) I have seen no reports that the S-400 has the equivalent of a US-style 'launch on remote' capability, so the engagement radar would probably still have to be used ?

4)we may seen the system's 92N6 engagement radar being used in a fairly aggressive manner to illuminate Turkish aircraft operating in the area. So the Turks (with a bit of help from other NATO nations?) may be able to devise flight patterns that will explore the tracking capabilities of the 92N6 ?


5)In the 1960s the S-75 (SA-2) radiated all of its secrets - when the US finally acquired a 'Fan Song' radar, its EW community was delighted to discover that the SA-2 emulator it had devised for EW development purposes had reproduced the features and technology of the Soviet original in all but a few minor respects .The US / NATO / Israeli EW operators had actually assigned individual identities to specific Fan Song installations based on the dents on their antennas! When they moved they could follow them individually.

max steel wrote:Radars and EW systems have multiple operating modes. The most commonly used mode is the training/peacetime mode which provides basic functionality. Then there are wartime/contingency modes which use sophisticated, closely guarded techniques.  NATO, like they couldn't have done the same thing with the S-400's stationed in Kaliningrad in a far more hostile SIGINT enviroment.

Just because an S-400 is deployed doesn't mean anyone will learn about all its features and operating modes.The S-400 will likely operate in strict EMCON rules. 92N6 radar which i believe would be the most interesting part for ELINT may only radiate if need arise. Most of the time it won't radiate and stay in standby.

Most of the early warning will come from already existing radar.


I've more doubts , help me out pointwise :

1)How it will counter if these f-16 carry HARM , each F-16 can carry 4 HARMs , if these were 30 F-16 they could carry a total of 120 HARMs , that is 120 missiles moving at speed > mach 2 ?

2)What is the minimum engagement altitude for the S-400. I do not think that Almaz-Antey has ever released a minimum engagement altitude for the S-400,but would expect it to be in the region of 10 m. ( If they fire HARM at ultra low altitude ?)

3) I have seen no reports that the S-400 has the equivalent of a US-style 'launch on remote' capability, so the engagement radar would probably still have to be used ?

4)we may seen the system's 92N6 engagement radar being used in a fairly aggressive manner to illuminate Turkish aircraft operating in the area. So the Turks (with a bit of help from other NATO nations?) may be able to devise flight patterns that will explore the tracking capabilities of the 92N6 ?


5)In the 1960s the S-75 (SA-2) radiated all of its secrets - when the US finally acquired a 'Fan Song' radar, its EW community was delighted to discover that the SA-2 emulator it had devised for EW development purposes had reproduced the features and technology of the Soviet original in all but a few minor respects .The US / NATO / Israeli EW operators had actually assigned individual identities to specific Fan Song installations based on the dents on their antennas! When they moved they could follow them individually.  

Why is it that nearly everything you post is blatantly ripped off of Keypublishing users? In the Pantsir thread, you completely plagiarized TR1, I even posted screenshot proof of it. Don't bother denying it.

I'll answer your questions since I have bothered to reply to your post anyway.

1. Taken straight from mig-31bm, you could at least quote if you are going to do this.

Let's think logically here, what has a longer engagement range, HARM or S-400? And rocket for rocket, which has more, Pantsir-S1 or F-16? I also doubt the feasibility of a 30-plane formation all at once.

2. Taken from Mercurius, Irrelevant, Pantsir-S1 or Tor will be the platforms engaging popup targets and NoE targets.

3. Again from Mercurius, Perhaps you should investigate the capabilities of S-400 in terms of not having to have the launcher near the radar.

4. And again from Mercurius, you can rest assured that the S-400 operators will take into account any intelligence assets trying to spy on the emissions of the S-400 radar. After all, Russia has had experience in limiting Western exposure to their top of the line equipment, see Kaliningrad.

5. Once more from Mercurius, max, I recommend you find the reason why all Russian weapons exports have an "E" at the end of their names.

How exactly I'm supposed to quote non-existent members here in my post ? Thats why I said doubts because I follow other forums too and there they haven't granted me posting rights yet , so whenever I read something strange or challenging i usually ask/ confirm those same questions here?

btw if you also follow the same forum why don't you reply back ?

Why are you so pissed that it's from another forum ? Forums exist to discuss and share one another information , claims and opinions. Thanx for bothering. You need to Lighten up.