Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #7

It seems that after Biden Visit to Turkey , Erdopig was resume its hostilities and
threats to Russia in Syria. Now summoned the Russian ambassador over a supped
"Air space violation" over Turkey...

http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160130/1033979218/turkey-summons-russian-envoy.html


Just to remind you , that a day earlier the Russian plane was attacked ,their ambassador was
also summoned. It was a well planned attack. .and seems that US gave green light to increase
the pressure in Russia by shutting down another plane. IS not coincidence kerry recent talks
to Russia to increase the safety of American planes flying over Syria. They expect things to heat
up ,because they will provoke it.  

Hopefully MR Putin will not be caught again by surprise like last time ,with its thumb right deep inside his ass ,with another Russian plane shutdown by surprise. they have been warned already and Russia should be preparing to retaliate Turkey even if after an attack ,the missiles fails to target a Russian plane. They should should be aware of Biden visit to Turkey before the new hostile threats and how the American Airforce ,its Awacs could help Turkey Airforce to lock on
Russian planes without using its own Radars.

Update..maybe this is just a coincidence?
But the defense minister of Syria Government was summoned a day earlier by Russia MoD .
http://syrianperspective.com/2016/01/russian-and-syrian-defense-ministers-expand-cooperation-in-war-against-terrorism.html
and this means the subject in discussion was really critical. So it seems something Big is going
to happen soon that require the highest military officer of Syria to travel to Moscow.

F. William Engdahl , also made a report about his suspicion that after the visit of vice president Biden to Turkey , something very big is being planned by US and its allies in Syria and IRAQ withing months.

http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160128/1033848576/us-led-coalition-preparing-for-advance-syria.html


Russia better be prepared for any renewed hostilities of Turkey this time.

franco wrote:Rust bucket to the rescue... sounds like the makings for a hit song there

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/war-in-syria-russia-s-rustbucket-military-delivers-a-hi-tech-shock-to-west-and-israel-a6842711.html

...If I recall right, wasn't the independent the news paper that labeled Osama Bin Laden as a 'freedom fighter' back in the 1980's? I can't seem to find it, but can someone dig up that article?

...What a sensationalist news article title, the Russian aerospace industry only has '1' analogue (that being the US aerospace industry) in the world, most of the EU nations are completely incapable (with the exception of France) of making fighter jets on their own.

Vann7 wrote:It seems that after Biden Visit to Turkey , Erdopig was resume its hostilities and
threats to Russia in Syria. Now summoned the Russian ambassador over a supped
"Air space violation" over Turkey...

http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160130/1033979218/turkey-summons-russian-envoy.html


Just to remind you , that a day earlier the Russian plane was attacked ,their ambassador was
also summoned. It was a well planned attack. .and seems that US gave green light to increase
the pressure in Russia by shutting down another plane. IS not coincidence kerry recent talks
to Russia to increase the safety of American planes flying over Syria. They expect things to heat
up ,because they will provoke it.  

Hopefully MR Putin will not be caught again by surprise like last time ,with its thumb right deep inside his ass ,with another Russian plane shutdown by surprise. they have been warned already and Russia should be preparing to retaliate Turkey even if after an attack ,the missiles fails to target a Russian plane. They should should be aware of Biden visit to Turkey before the new hostile threats and how the American Airforce ,its Awacs could help Turkey Airforce to lock on
Russian planes without using its own Radars.

Update..maybe this is just a coincidence?
But the defense minister of Syria Government was summoned a day earlier by Russia MoD .
http://syrianperspective.com/2016/01/russian-and-syrian-defense-ministers-expand-cooperation-in-war-against-terrorism.html
and this means the subject in discussion was really critical. So it seems something Big is going
to happen soon that require the highest military officer of Syria to travel to Moscow.

F. William Engdahl , also made a report about his suspicion that after the visit of vice president Biden to Turkey , something very big is being planned by US and its allies in Syria and IRAQ withing months.

http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160128/1033848576/us-led-coalition-preparing-for-advance-syria.html


Russia better be prepared for any renewed hostilities of  Turkey this time.

I think you are right Vann, they are planning something big and I think Russia know's somewhat of their plan and that is why the Syrian Defense Minister was summoned to Moscow, to discuss what Russia knows and what Syria knows and make counter plans. We have heard and seen of the increased supplies and equipment to the SAA from Russia and I think that is why the SAA are getting the extra supplies and equipment(if you watch the recent videos and see the recent pictures of the SAA, you will see that the SAA have newer Russian weapons) also I think we will soon see the Kweires Air Base, fully operational with the Russian Air Force and the Syrian Air Force.

The one thing to keep in mind is that Russia has an Ace up it's sleeve(well two Aces up it's sleeve), one is the Kurd's and the PKK in for Turkey and the second is Houthis in Yemen for the Saudis. If Turkey does something, Russia can quietly arm the Kurd's and the PKK to the teeth and Turkey will get a taste of their own medicine and the same the same thing can happen in Yemen, if the Saudis and other Gulf idiots do something, then Russia can quietly arm the Houthis to the teeth. And there is always the Shia militants, that Russia can arm to the teeth and use in Iraq against Turkey in Iraq.

Something big is being planned by the NATO bastards, that's for sure and I don't think that Russia will get caught off guard this time because after the plane shoot down incident, Russia has bolstered it's presence hugely in Syria and the Middle East, I think over next 3-6 weeks, we will increased Russian presence in Syria.

Planes are escorted now, so Turkey wont do anything this time cause as soon as one of those planes are lit up by Turkish jets, their jets will also be lit up. If not by other Russian jets, then by ground system. Turkey would be in for a rough time.

Russia should blast Turdkish jets out of the sky over Turdkey if they try another attempt at shooting down Russian
jets over Syria. NATO will do nothing except more sanctions and more propaganda hysteria which mean f*ck all to Russia.
NATO needs to be contained.

kvs wrote:Russia should blast Turdkish jets out of the sky over Turdkey if they try another attempt at shooting down Russian
jets over Syria.   NATO will do nothing except more sanctions and more propaganda hysteria which mean f*ck all to Russia.
NATO needs to be contained.

They wont do anything, this is all hoopla anyway. Turdkey has to still show that it has balls by bringing the ambassador for a meeting, and if they didn't, Turdkey would look weak. If they do try it again, be assured that a F-16 will go down in flames as well.

Or the Kurds are prepared to close the Turkey border as talked about this week. Since Turkey has bombed them and threatened invasion in their past offensives, this cannot take place without active protection and air support from the Russians and Syrians.

Erdogen asks to speak to Putin personally after Russian jet invades Turkish airspace.

Now that would be an interesting conversation

http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160130/1033982603/erdogan-putin-turkish-airspace.html

I seriously hope there will be a talk. I want to know what Putin says to Turdogan. Telling him that they gave Turkey a benefit of the doubt first time, regardless about the actual info getting out there and that there will not be a second time.

sepheronx wrote:Planes are escorted now, so Turkey wont do anything this time cause as soon as one of those planes are lit up by Turkish jets, their jets will also be lit up.  If not by other Russian jets, then by ground system.  Turkey would be in for a rough time.

Well according to this news..

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/01/30/breaking-isisturkey-advanced-missile-downs-russian-bomber-over-syria/


Russia lost ANOTHER bomber over Syria days ago and Russia did not reported it..
The info says that the plane..

veteran today:

Editor’s note:  Yesterday, Turkey complained to Russia that an SU 34 violated its air space.  Today a Russian jet well inside Syria is downed by a missile that shouldn’t exist.  Is this a concidence? g

Sputnik, Moscow: The Russian jet crashed in Syria earlier on Tuesday with two people aboard. The plane was most likely downed by a ground missile, according to the Russian Defense Ministry.

SO apparently 4 days ago on tuesday january 26 ,2016  Russia lost another bomber and the minister of defense is saying that it was most likely a missile? RT have not reported this? did they?

Is so crazy that with the rate of quality controls of Russia on their airforce ,you will never know
if a plane falls for mechanical problems or shot down by a missile. This story whatever it was ,
did not created headlines ,neither Russia made any complain about it. perhaps a fake RUmor?
or indeed a second plane was downed by Turkey?


On a side note. .Americans special forces with Islamic uniforms can easily
enter in Syria with jeeps like this..




to show down Russian planes. it should be completely possible for Americans to modify
their sidewinder missiles to be fired from ground jeeps, vertical position and use their Awacs that Russia allows to fly over Syria to guide it towards Russian planes?

Whatever it happens i hope Russia have a plan other than just wait to see US starting to shot down its missiles. if it proven US supplied advanced missiles to the terrorist or operated by their own special forces to shot down Russian planes.. Russia should at very least deny entry to US over any part of Syria and declare a no fly zone for NATO. and close all cooperation with them.
i really think it will be a matter of time that US will stab Russia in the back in Syria and that Russia will have to do the unthinkable and start shooting down American planes who invade Syria airspace.

Vann7 wrote:

sepheronx wrote:Planes are escorted now, so Turkey wont do anything this time cause as soon as one of those planes are lit up by Turkish jets, their jets will also be lit up.  If not by other Russian jets, then by ground system.  Turkey would be in for a rough time.

Well according to this news..

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/01/30/breaking-isisturkey-advanced-missile-downs-russian-bomber-over-syria/


Russia lost ANOTHER bomber over Syria days ago and Russia did not reported it..
The info says that the plane..

veteran today:

Editor’s note:  Yesterday, Turkey complained to Russia that an SU 34 violated its air space.  Today a Russian jet well inside Syria is downed by a missile that shouldn’t exist.  Is this a concidence? g

Sputnik, Moscow: The Russian jet crashed in Syria earlier on Tuesday with two people aboard. The plane was most likely downed by a ground missile, according to the Russian Defense Ministry.

SO apparently 4 days ago on tuesday january 26 ,2016  Russia lost another bomber and the minister of defense is saying that it was most likely a missile? RT have not reported this? did they?

Is so crazy that with the rate of quality controls of Russia on their airforce ,you will never know
if a plane falls for mechanical problems or shot down by a missile. This story whatever it was ,
did not created headlines ,neither Russia made any complain about it. perhaps a fake RUmor?
or indeed a second plane was downed by Turkey?


On a side note. .Americans special forces with Islamic uniforms can easily
enter in Syria with jeeps like this..




to show down Russian planes. it should be completely possible for Americans to modify
their sidewinder missiles to be fired from ground jeeps, vertical position and use their Awacs that Russia allows to fly over Syria to guide it towards Russian planes?

Whatever it happens i hope Russia have a plan other than just wait to see US starting to shot down its missiles. if it proven US supplied advanced missiles to the terrorist or operated by their own special forces to shot down Russian planes.. Russia should at very least deny entry to US over any part of Syria and declare a no fly zone for NATO. and close all cooperation with them.
i really think it will be a matter of time that US will stab Russia in the back in Syria and that Russia will have to do the unthinkable and start shooting down American planes who invade Syria airspace.

I think the story about a missile downing another Russian Jet is false, west media would have been all over it. About jeeps, I agree that can happen.

No other jet was shot down.  It would have been news by now..  lol, veterans today?

Anyway, Turkey this time didnt show evidence.  As well:
http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160130/1033983456/russia-denies-turkish-airspace-violation.html

I agree, I monitor Sputnik quite closely and I have not seen it posted there, VT of course does not provide any link or other proof. Assume no-one here has seen the MoD announcement?

If a Su-34 had come down it should have been all over Youtube by now and if due to hostile action one suspects that the launch site would have been 'visited' by a few Tus or Kalibres.

You're so full of it Vann. "Is it not a surprise that with Russian quality control.... blah blah" Yeah and is it a suprise that American pilot training leads to two helicopters colliding mid air? That US made jets are falling out of the sky in Yemen due to alleged mechanical failure? That US aircraft fall out of the sky just as often, if not more so due to "hardware/software failure" than Russian aircraft,  even with their "superior Western maintenance procedures"? 

There is a reason Turkey hasn't shot at another Russian aircraft, and that's because they're finished if they do. Also, nice Putin hating slurs you have there,  hero-to-zero in seconds amiright? Such shallow thinking.

par far wrote:
I think the story about a missile downing another Russian Jet is false, west media would have been all over it. About jeeps, I agree that can happen.

And a jeep armed with Raytheon missiles ,will be a perfect cover for Americans fight
against Russia. To make it look on the media that it was "Rebel inventive" , that build
missiles that target planes at almost any altitude and combat jet fly.

So terrorist or US special forces acting like rebels ,in jeeps armed with  Raytheon
advanced missiles is not really something that will surprise me. i have been saying since 2011
that US   IS   already in an undeclared war against Russia.. and is using Turkey and Ukraine
to fight them.. as simple as that.

This means that Russia federation needs to give an ultimatum to the Pentagon that Russia
will declare war against them , if they find any of its planes was attacked by advanced american made missiles that only its military can operate.  

The jeep operator only needs to drive the jeep towards the zone Russian planes fly and
press a button to launch the missile ,the rest of the guidance can be done by US awacs or other combat planes in the zone.

In an possible retaliation of Russia to America.. it should seriously consider a cruise missile
directly to the white house and another to the pentagon armed with conventional weapons as a warning . That will send shockwaves around the world ,that Americans crossed the line. Putin can demand United States in public with a very strong tone ,that they either STOP its support
for Terrorism in Syria and stop aiding ISIS or providing political support to the nations that continues aiding ISIS or Else that Russia will start a nuclear war with them.

something like this..
Either you stop your war against Syria and IRAQ and your support to terrorism and political support to the nations attacking Syria and aiding ISIS or else we will start sinking your warships and satellites and dropping nukes on your cities until you stop your criminal activities in the middle east.

So Obama will have no choice to either start a war in support of Turkey and ISIS , and end with their country destroyed or cooperate with Russia and return to international law.  All said. i really think Russia government needs to have plans to end Americans proxy war against them,
and force Americans to fight Directly ,to put them against the wall ,to see how the popularity of Obama and its criminal war in Syria will play under Russia favor.  This means that Russia can use the really bad opinion of more than half of Americans about Obama actions in Syria to his advantage. The pressure Obama will receive to end the war in Syria and its Games will be too much.  Either a nuclear war with Russia or break relations with ISIS and Turkey.  Russia needs to take things to another Cuban missile style ,and force Americans to negotiate for peace and return to international law or use nuclear weapons and destroy US major centers of economy.  i will honestly will not mind if the white house and pentagon are nuked.. as a message that Russia no longer will tolerate US support for terrorism and illegal war in Middle east.  

So if Obama and Pentagon agreed to end its games in Syria and IRAQ.. it will have to declare
Turkey a terror sponsor state and start sanctions against them.. and declare Erdogan a war criminal and demand its arrest. that will be a real sign of change in US policy.

Said in other words. .Russia can defeat Turkey more easily and ends Erdogan rule in Turkey
by Russia Federation taking the fight directly to US. Americans know the disastrous consequences that will be a war with Russia. The unrest they will have and Russia can take advantage of the bad public opinion about Obama and US government actions in Syria and Ukraine. to overthrow the government as soon US provoke a war with Russia. This is the reason for the Fema camps and martial law planned in US cities. They know the unrest will be
impossible to avoid if the provoke a war with Russia.

U.S. & Allies Make bin Laden Admirer a Negotiator in Syria Peace Talks

In regards to this story, I think the word here is facetious....


http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/01/30/breaking-isisturkey-adv

Vann7 wrote:

par far wrote:
I think the story about a missile downing another Russian Jet is false, west media would have been all over it. About jeeps, I agree that can happen.

And a jeep armed with Raytheon missiles ,will be a perfect cover for Americans fight
against Russia. To make it look on the media that it was "Rebel inventive" , that build
missiles that target planes at almost any altitude and combat jet fly.

So terrorist or US special forces acting like rebels ,in jeeps armed with  Raytheon
advanced missiles is not really something that will surprise me. i have been saying since 2011
that US   IS   already in an undeclared war against Russia.. and is using Turkey and Ukraine
to fight them.. as simple as that.

This means that Russia federation needs to give an ultimatum to the Pentagon that Russia
will declare war against them , if they find any of its planes was attacked by advanced american made missiles that only its military can operate.  

The jeep operator only needs to drive the jeep towards the zone Russian planes fly and
press a button to launch the missile ,the rest of the guidance can be done by US awacs or other combat planes in the zone.

In an possible retaliation of Russia to America.. it should seriously consider a cruise missile
directly to the white house and another to the pentagon armed with conventional weapons as a warning . That will send shockwaves around the world ,that Americans crossed the line. Putin can demand United States in public with a very strong tone ,that they either STOP its support
for Terrorism in Syria and stop aiding ISIS or providing political support to the nations that continues aiding ISIS or Else that Russia will start a nuclear war with them.

something like this..
Either you stop your war against Syria and IRAQ and your support to terrorism and political support to the nations attacking Syria and aiding ISIS or else we will start sinking your warships and satellites and dropping nukes on your cities until you stop your criminal activities in the middle east.

So Obama will have no choice to either start a war in support of Turkey and ISIS , and end with their country destroyed or cooperate with Russia and return to international law.  All said. i really think Russia government needs to have plans to end Americans proxy war against them,
and force Americans to fight Directly ,to put them against the wall ,to see how the popularity of Obama and its criminal war in Syria will play under Russia favor.  This means that Russia can use the really bad opinion of more than half of Americans about Obama actions in Syria to his advantage. The pressure Obama will receive to end the war in Syria and its Games will be too much.  Either a nuclear war with Russia or break relations with ISIS and Turkey.  Russia needs to take things to another Cuban missile style ,and force Americans to negotiate for peace and return to international law or use nuclear weapons and destroy US major centers of economy.  i will honestly will not mind if the white house and pentagon are nuked.. as a message that Russia no longer will tolerate US support for terrorism and illegal war in Middle east.  

So if Obama and Pentagon agreed to end its games in Syria and IRAQ.. it will have to declare
Turkey a terror sponsor state and start sanctions against them.. and declare Erdogan a war criminal and demand its arrest. that will be a real sign of change in US policy.

Said in other words. .Russia can defeat Turkey more easily and ends Erdogan rule in Turkey
by Russia Federation taking the fight directly to US.  Americans know the disastrous consequences that will be a war with Russia. The unrest they will have and Russia can take advantage of the bad public opinion about Obama and US government actions in Syria and Ukraine. to overthrow the government as soon US provoke a war with Russia.  This is the reason for the Fema camps and martial law planned in US cities. They know the unrest will be
impossible to avoid if the provoke a war with Russia.

We will see what happens in the next few weeks and the next 1-2 months, things are going to get even more more more more more dirty.

par far wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

sepheronx wrote:Planes are escorted now, so Turkey wont do anything this time cause as soon as one of those planes are lit up by Turkish jets, their jets will also be lit up.  If not by other Russian jets, then by ground system.  Turkey would be in for a rough time.

Well according to this news..

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/01/30/breaking-isisturkey-advanced-missile-downs-russian-bomber-over-syria/


Russia lost ANOTHER bomber over Syria days ago and Russia did not reported it..
The info says that the plane..

veteran today:

Editor’s note:  Yesterday, Turkey complained to Russia that an SU 34 violated its air space.  Today a Russian jet well inside Syria is downed by a missile that shouldn’t exist.  Is this a concidence? g

Sputnik, Moscow: The Russian jet crashed in Syria earlier on Tuesday with two people aboard. The plane was most likely downed by a ground missile, according to the Russian Defense Ministry.

SO apparently 4 days ago on tuesday january 26 ,2016  Russia lost another bomber and the minister of defense is saying that it was most likely a missile? RT have not reported this? did they?

Is so crazy that with the rate of quality controls of Russia on their airforce ,you will never know
if a plane falls for mechanical problems or shot down by a missile. This story whatever it was ,
did not created headlines ,neither Russia made any complain about it. perhaps a fake RUmor?
or indeed a second plane was downed by Turkey?


On a side note. .Americans special forces with Islamic uniforms can easily
enter in Syria with jeeps like this..




to show down Russian planes. it should be completely possible for Americans to modify
their sidewinder missiles to be fired from ground jeeps, vertical position and use their Awacs that Russia allows to fly over Syria to guide it towards Russian planes?

Whatever it happens i hope Russia have a plan other than just wait to see US starting to shot down its missiles. if it proven US supplied advanced missiles to the terrorist or operated by their own special forces to shot down Russian planes.. Russia should at very least deny entry to US over any part of Syria and declare a no fly zone for NATO. and close all cooperation with them.
i really think it will be a matter of time that US will stab Russia in the back in Syria and that Russia will have to do the unthinkable and start shooting down American planes who invade Syria airspace.

I think the story about a missile downing another Russian Jet is false, west media would have been all over it. About jeeps, I agree that can happen.

Guide AIM9 IR spectrum missiles by AWACS? Science fiction at its best.

US special forces dressed like ISIS? Maybe, if you want 20 white guys and Mexicans to sell as ISIS. They would be recognised and detected in matter of if not hours rather than days. Imagine impact of US major sized hardware being spotted in Syria lol, half of the NATO would bail out on whole operation.

Jeeps? Its CLAWS - Complementary Low Altitude Weapon System / HUMRAAM - HMMWV Launched AMRAAM and it would be very hard to operate without upper lvl air defence systems as its not portable.

The US has School of Americas that exclusivley uses Latinos to infiltrate them in Central and South America to work as warlords, agents, terrorists and whatever. I wouldn't be surprised if they have such schools through out the ME like Saudi shit of Arabia their little slave that does as commanded along with Turks who have been good slaves for long time untill Erdogrunt left the line.

Militarov wrote: Guide AIM9 IR spectrum missiles by AWACS? Science fiction at its best.

US special forces dressed like ISIS? Maybe, if you want 20 white guys and Mexicans to sell as ISIS. They would be recognised and detected in matter of if not hours rather than days. Imagine impact of US major sized hardware being spotted in Syria lol, half of the NATO would bail out on whole operation.

Jeeps? Its CLAWS - Complementary Low Altitude Weapon System / HUMRAAM - HMMWV Launched AMRAAM and it would be very hard to operate without upper lvl air defence systems as its not portable.

Then Su-34 would bomb ISIS and suddenly would be oops Lation&Kentucky Muslims :O) But things are not so straightforward question how much US wants Turkey have war with Russia?

Werewolf wrote:The US has School of Americas that exclusivley uses Latinos to infiltrate them in Central and South America to work as warlords, agents, terrorists and whatever. I wouldn't be surprised if they have such schools through out the ME like Saudi shit of Arabia their little slave that does as commanded along with Turks who have been good slaves for long time untill Erdogrunt left the line.

Possible i suppose, US after all is biggest basically completely immigrant country in the world, but i doubt they can make like unit of couple hundred ppl with required skills to operate and do maintenance on something like CLAWS and then infiltrate them into ISIS and... very long shot. Having instructors, com officers, spies... some smaller SEAL groups or something of a sort sure. I just dont find very plausible that US would supply something like CLAWS to ISIS or FSA, that would make them look veery bad, even they couldnt wash that of themself.

Saudis on other hand seem not to care how they look in front of rest of the world, there were some theories around that SA might try buying used OSA, Strela10 and similar used systems around and smuggle them into Iraq and Syria, that i actually find plausible.

No Su-34 was shot down. It would be on the news. Add that, cannot find claimed sputnik article.

Militarov wrote: I just dont find very plausible that US would supply something like CLAWS to ISIS or FSA, that would make them look veery bad, even they couldnt wash that of themself.

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So how more "bad" you think US can look today? they are arming ISIS and Alqaeda , how much worse it can be? the Pentagon chief in public saying Russian planes will be shotdown and civilians killed. (a threat to Russia).. how more bad it can be?  The calling for killing many Russians and Obama himself calling Russia worse than ISIS and that Putin is corrupt. United states is supplying weapons to Alqaeda and ISIS and millions of civilians lives are being directly affected by this in Syria and IRAQ. 6 millions refugees in Syria.. Alone.. Hellooooo.   How more Bad it can get? and this is not counting how they also fueling the violence in Ukraine too ,by their inconditional support to Poroshenko and the training and weapons they get. ,and Putin in public saying the FSB intercepted communications of the americans embassy was aiding the terrorist chechens that were behind the killing of civilians in Russia.  how more bad it can be? since US senators have been in public senate briefings.. calling for providing lethal weapons not only to Ukraine but also to their Freedom fighters in Syria  so they shot down Russian planes?
Do they really care ? not really .. they will continue pushing hostilities against Russia until Russia fight back and takes the fight to them.

The US is only increasing the militarization of middle east in Syria and IRAQ,and encouraging Turkey to attack Russia . Listening the chief of the Pentagon saying many Russians citizens will die consequences of Russian actions and with a tone of hostility.. it can't be more bad than that.
US in on a proxy war against Russia in Syria.. period. and the whole thing in Syria is aimed
and weakening Russia and destroying Russia world image. So more than enough Senators will place their bets that if they provide lethal weapons to their so called "rebels" to shot down Russian planes ,that Russia will do nothing. Because Putin is becoming too soft with their
American Partners and predictable with Americans on its passiveness. which is dangerous for Russia security.  So i will not discount US in backstabbing Russia even more than Turkey did it.
They show a face in public  but in private they are bandits and criminals.  Obama at G20 was all very positive with Putin..in good conversations about Syria. then what happened since G20 that Obama and Putin had very close discussions? Nothing that Obama increased the support to ISIS and Turkey. and now building a military base in Syria.  With Americans they will tell you something with one hand ,and do something else with the other. You can never trust in anything that Americans tells will do.  Is just to keep things calm that they lie about cooperation
in Syria , but they instead increase the hostility.

Obama no longer will support moderates.. that was told 2 months ago.. and today the
senate continues with their retoric of "moderates" to increase their support and training.
Now they seeking to give Obama full dictatorship powers to start a war without congress
support over any issue Obama considers the army is needed. Russia cannot trust in Americans. they are truly evil people ,evil government and the only thing the US government will understand is FORCE. Only when Russia defeat the terrorist in Syria and the syrian army retake all its territories or most of it.. only then is when Americans might start to consider to give up. any kind of political process is just a distraction.  American government cannot look more bad than already the are.

So i will not be surprised of another 9/11 false flag like WTC killing their own people and blame it on ISIS to justify sending troops to Syria. im actually surprised americans have not done a false flag already.. and Russia have to be ready for chemical warfare directly from US laboratories , Not only in Syria but in Russia too. US is in a war already with Russia ,and there
are many Rusophobics in Pentagon that will not mind of providing chemical warfare to ISIS and Alqaeda to fight Russia.