Military facilities accidents and disasters

franco wrote:Eyewitness account, no sound just building started to collapse after lights out;
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Rescue operations complete - 19 rescued and 23 bodies recovered.

One of the rescued paratroopers has apparently died of his injuries in the hospital.

franco wrote:

franco wrote:Eyewitness account, no sound just building started to collapse after lights out;
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Rescue operations complete - 19 rescued and 23 bodies recovered.

One of the rescued paratroopers has apparently died of his injuries in the hospital.

Yeap.

And the head of the Osmk region of Paratroopers was arrested.

According to "Kommersant", appointed by the Chief Military Investigation Department (GVSU) CKP comprehensive forensic examination of the causes of the collapse of building barracks I have found that in 2013 the building was carried out a full overhaul. That is not just repaired "network engineering, floors and roofs," as stated in the first days after the tragedy, officials from the Ministry of Defense and Spetsstroy and replaced, for example, floor slabs.

As explained by a source close to the investigation "b" instead of the old, still packed in the construction of the barracks in 1975, pustotok plates with round grooves along the entire length repairers put more modern, made ​​of reinforced concrete with reinforcing ribs. Substitution, according to the source "b", was carried out on the waste technology overhaul years of typical military barracks sample the 1970s. However, in this case, the standard solution proved unusable because of dilapidation masonry bearing walls. As has been previously reported Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, Soviet builders erect them, apparently, saved on cement, laying bricks almost one sand.

New slabs, according to experts, is heavier than the old and dilapidated masonry could not stand the additional load. Obviously, they played a role and do work on dismantling the floors, during which an already fragile walls made their way Grooves, holes were drilled, and so on. From the impact of electric and pneumatic tools bricklaying could easily "break up at the seams," violating thus , the overall stability of the structure. Detect cracks on the outside prevent the establishment of repairers saydingovaya cladding buildings. Inside, according to the observations of the military itself, fell off the plaster and paint. However, nobody could have guessed that this is due to the state of emergency in capital walls, so the customer is presented claims for quality finishing.

As participants believe the investigation before the overhaul experts were to assess the condition of the building, in particular the carrying capacity was not to be the reconstruction of the basement and walls of the capital. If the fragility of masonry were able to identify in advance, certainly went to the barracks and technology renovation. Perhaps designers would recommend before replacing floors reinforce the walls with metal ties or even dismantle the building and build instead a new one. However, repairs, as already reported "Kommersant" conducted without project on the template.

Until the last incident in Omsk liable only direct executor of repair work - the general director of "Remeksstroya" Alexander Dorofeev. He is accused of violation of safety regulations during construction work (Art. 216 of the Criminal Code) and is in custody. The source "Kommersant" said that to take care of the building survey had not "second subcontractor" Alexander Dorofeev, and those who hired a it for reconstruction. TFR, as already reported, checked for involvement in the crime officials FSUE "Main Directorate of Special Construction of Siberia at the Federal Agency for Special Construction" and its subordinate organizations "Construction management N916", the regional customer management of capital construction of the Central Military District - the branch PCF "Management of capital construction of the customer," the Defense Ministry.

Meanwhile, a second person involved in a criminal case, the chief of the 242nd Airborne Training Center Oleg Ponomarev, who was in a military court on Friday transferred from prison to house arrest, can generally avoid criminal prosecution. Recall that the colonel in the paratroopers populated Missed serviceable barracks, accused of abuse of office (Art. 3 of Art. 286 of the Criminal Code). However, as it turned out, in the current legislation and regulations in the procedure and terms of settlement of people in the renovated building is not clearly documented, and this fact even the consequence interpreted in favor of the accused. Moreover, according to sources, "b", the colonel had to actually return the soldiers in the barracks, since after the period of repair they were placed in tents, some paratroopers pneumonia.

... The results of the survey in the barracks 242nd military training center came to the conclusion that the five buildings are in disrepair. "Tests carried out using a complex" string ", showed that the presence of soldiers in them life-threatening - said" Kommersant "a senior source in Minoborony.- soon to these objects will take a final decision." Most likely, they will be demolished.
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Roof of arms manufacturing plant in Yekaterinburg caves in to cause casualties

According to preliminary findings, the roof may have collapsed under heavy snow

YEKATERINBURG, November 9. /TASS/. The roof of an arms manufacturing plant in Yekaterinburg has caved in, apparently due to heavy snowfall, the press-service of the Sverdlovsk Region’s office of the Investigative Committee has said.

"According to preliminary findings, the roof may have collapsed under heavy snow," the press-service said.

Police said three died in the accident and fourteen others were rescued.

A pre-investigation probe is underway.

Earlier, the chief weather watcher of the Sverdlovsk Region, Galina Sheporenko, told TASS that a cyclone from western Russia had brought about heavy snowfall - about half of the amount the region sees over one month (some 20 mm).

The Sverdlovsk Region’s office of the Emergencies Ministry earlier said the roof of a shop on the premises of the Kalinin weapons manufacturing plant caved in. Fire-fighters, rescue workers and the plant’s officials are working at the scene.


More:
http://tass.com/defense/911189

George1 wrote:Roof of arms manufacturing plant in Yekaterinburg caves in to cause casualties

According to preliminary findings, the roof may have collapsed under heavy snow

YEKATERINBURG, November 9. /TASS/. The roof of an arms manufacturing plant in Yekaterinburg has caved in, apparently due to heavy snowfall, the press-service of the Sverdlovsk Region’s office of the Investigative Committee has said.

"According to preliminary findings, the roof may have collapsed under heavy snow," the press-service said.

Police said three died in the accident and fourteen others were rescued.

A pre-investigation probe is underway.

Earlier, the chief weather watcher of the Sverdlovsk Region, Galina Sheporenko, told TASS that a cyclone from western Russia had brought about heavy snowfall - about half of the amount the region sees over one month (some 20 mm).

The Sverdlovsk Region’s office of the Emergencies Ministry earlier said the roof of a shop on the premises of the Kalinin weapons manufacturing plant caved in. Fire-fighters, rescue workers and the plant’s officials are working at the scene.


More:
http://tass.com/defense/911189

Legacy of the post-Soviet neglect of buildings and infrastructure.

kvs wrote:

George1 wrote:Roof of arms manufacturing plant in Yekaterinburg caves in to cause casualties

According to preliminary findings, the roof may have collapsed under heavy snow

YEKATERINBURG, November 9. /TASS/. The roof of an arms manufacturing plant in Yekaterinburg has caved in, apparently due to heavy snowfall, the press-service of the Sverdlovsk Region’s office of the Investigative Committee has said.

"According to preliminary findings, the roof may have collapsed under heavy snow," the press-service said.

Police said three died in the accident and fourteen others were rescued.

A pre-investigation probe is underway.

Earlier, the chief weather watcher of the Sverdlovsk Region, Galina Sheporenko, told TASS that a cyclone from western Russia had brought about heavy snowfall - about half of the amount the region sees over one month (some 20 mm).

The Sverdlovsk Region’s office of the Emergencies Ministry earlier said the roof of a shop on the premises of the Kalinin weapons manufacturing plant caved in. Fire-fighters, rescue workers and the plant’s officials are working at the scene.


More:
http://tass.com/defense/911189

Legacy of the post-Soviet neglect of buildings and infrastructure.  

Talk about unnecessary, aren't these building checked for structural integrity before putting people to work in em.

RIP

More of those Charlie Hebdo people should have been shot.

miketheterrible wrote:More of those Charlie Hebdo people should have been shot.

People also forgotten that they mocked the girls captured by Boko Haram.

To be honest they have done a lot worse, that's CH in a nutshell. The old CH was done in the late 70's early 80's. The new variant of the rag that sparks this crap became just crass.

It's one of those things you don't need to understand.

KoTeMoRe wrote:To be honest they have done a lot worse, that's CH in a nutshell. The old CH was done in the late 70's early 80's.  The new variant of the rag that sparks this crap became just crass.

It's one of those things you don't need to understand.

It is negative class crap. I recall people got on the case of some stand up comedian for making (actually funny) dark humour jokes about
various subjects. None of the shit produced by Charlie Hebdo can be considered humour of any sort.

Who cares about CH's poor taste in humor or lack thereof? Nobody should. They are free to publish whatever they like, no matter how cr@p it may be.
Free country, freedom of speech.

KiloGolf wrote:Who cares about CH's poor taste in humor or lack thereof? Nobody should. They are free to publish whatever they like, no matter how cr@p it may be.
Free country, freedom of speech.

BS.  Free country, freedom of speech for some and not for others.

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/france-begins-jailing-people-ironic-comments



Not everybody has a government or corporate roof and millions of dollars of spare cash to ensure their "rights" in the
"free world", sunshine.   Go peddle your NATO propaganda elsewhere.

kvs wrote:Go peddle your NATO propaganda elsewhere.

I'm all for freedom of speech, sorry. CH has the right to do what they do.
Can't handle it? Go live in KSA or DPRK and see where that takes you.

KiloGolf wrote:Who cares about CH's poor taste in humor or lack thereof? Nobody should. They are free to publish whatever they like, no matter how cr@p it may be.
Free country, freedom of speech.

France and freedom of Speech lmao? Just a year before the Charlie Hebdo shootings, a certain famous French comedian was constantly being attacked by the Legal system of France for his comedy, which was less risque than CH's horse manure. For that matter the countries of the EU put plenty of people behind bars over their speech. Here you go again with your twisted logic.

GarryB wrote:

I'm all for freedom of speech, sorry. CH has the right to do what they do.
Can't handle it? Go live in KSA or DPRK and see where that takes you.

Do get your head out of your ass.

https://sputniknews.com/politics/201611231047742985-eu-sputnik-rt-propaganda/

Judging others with your own standards much?
Using vulgar language doesn't compensate for the weak argument you've made.

Me being all for freedom of speech, i.e. CH is free to publish their stuff, has nothing to do with Brussels, MEPs, etc. making useless comments and votes on things they have no power do decide in the first place. Simply put, irrelevant.

higurashihougi wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:I'm all for freedom of speech, sorry. CH has the right to do what they do.
Can't handle it? Go live in KSA or DPRK and see where that takes you.

We don't criticize freedom of speech. We criticize CH because of the pieces of shit it created.

They did. Look it up on the posts above.
In fact me posting about being pro-freedom of speech made the usual RD.net suspects foam through their mouths

GarryB wrote:Like I said... you are in your own dream world...

More like you disagree with an established concept that has nothing to do with EU or NATO.

Freedom of speech, KG? Did you ever see CH make a "satyre" of 9/11? Or of an attack against Jews or Israel? Like Voltaire said, to learn who really rules you ask whom you are not allowed to criticize.

Svyatoslavich wrote:Freedom of speech, KG? Did you ever see CH make a "satyre" of 9/11? Or of an attack against Jews or Israel? Like Voltaire said, to learn who really rules you ask whom you are not allowed to criticize.

I don't like CH's agenda either, but I do support their freedom in doing their stupid, irrational sh1t.

Also, I'm not a big fan of where the European project is headed, at all. I'm opposed to many of its recent initiatives. So.. why me supporting the concept of freedom of speech gets me irrational criticism for the institutions of NATO or EU (as if I represent or work for them)? No reason.