US and others claims of Uyghur Muslim abuse in Xinjiang province

Couldn't find a thread for this. Hopefully it will fill with more info as it is a subject that is very alive.


曹 毅 CAO Yi أبو وسيم
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I have two colleagues from Xinjiang in our embassy. One is Uyghur Muslim, the other isn't. They both hold diplomatic passports. We often play football together to celebrate their successful prison break from an "open-air prison".

The Hill
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· 12 May
US says Xinjiang is essentially an "open-air prison" http://hill.cm/yfljPTK

GarryB wrote:Open air prison like Guantanimo?

Think that's what the US want us to believe as part of their strategy against China.

Yanqui propaganda loves to engage in revisionist sophistry. So they call prison labour "slavery". Yeah, because US plantation slaves were actually
prisoners. And the US prisoners being worked hard cleaning highways are all happy-happy volunteers.

It is clear that the Uyghur Muslim problem is being stoked by the yanquis and more than likely their minions as well. It is Wahabbi radicalization and
infiltration. They did the same thing in Chechnya. The west oi swimming in a sea of bloody hypocrisy. It asserts the innate territorial integrity of
the artificial state called Ukraine, but is busy spreading militant secession in countries that don't bend the knee enough.

China and Russia never engaged in US and Canadian style ethnic cleansing of indigenous ethnic people into reservation ghettos. In Russia, indigenous
people even have republics (hence Russian federation) that reflect their historical homelands. These republics can be agitated to secede and would
serve as lucrative resource grabs by western marionette pullers. No aboriginal group in the US or Canada can even dream of seceding on any
land that is viable. What they have are microscopic crumbs of their original territories. China is may have distinct internal administrative systems
and borders, but it also never drove ethnic groups like the Uyghurs into tiny, destitute reservations.

Gotta love that magical thinking in the participation trophy generation bringing down the west. The demonstrations are all staged,
but nobody has any actual evidence of genocide. You know, disappearance of villages, mass graves, etc. We love tin foil hat
conspiracies as long as they are what we want to hear and accuse others of being a "conspiracy theorist" if they say something
that we do not want to hear.

Interesting how the comparison to Nazis of, well, de facto Nazis gets some ludicrous "Godwin's Law" but the inane smear "conspiracy
theorist" is perfectly fine. The so-called Godwin's Law clearly applies to the use of "conspiracy theorist" to fob off uncomfortable
facts, it means automatic loss of the argument.

BTW, repression of Wahabbist infiltrators and organizers is not "genocide". It is law enforcement that saves lives and real freedoms.

RT and Sputnik do not toe the line on maintaining the western propaganda plantation. Therefore they must be defamed to keep
the sheeple on the plantation. There are millions who are no longer on the plantation, but there are more millions who still are.
These are the soft heads that respond to "state run media" tags. They cannot evaluate the information themselves and need
it "approved" by some higher power. Really, why have a brain at all.

kvs wrote:RT and Sputnik do not toe the line on maintaining the western propaganda plantation.    Therefore they must be defamed to keep
the sheeple on the plantation.    There are millions who are no longer on the plantation, but there are more millions who still are.
These are the soft heads that respond to "state run media" tags.   They cannot evaluate the information themselves and need
it "approved" by some higher power.   Really, why have a brain at all.

It is more than just tagging. For example Twitter actively downgrades the feeds of such tagged entities.
It also puts US propaganda agencies on top. For example try searching for "Kremlin" on Twitter.

lancelot wrote:

kvs wrote:RT and Sputnik do not toe the line on maintaining the western propaganda plantation.    Therefore they must be defamed to keep
the sheeple on the plantation.    There are millions who are no longer on the plantation, but there are more millions who still are.
These are the soft heads that respond to "state run media" tags.   They cannot evaluate the information themselves and need
it "approved" by some higher power.   Really, why have a brain at all.

It is more than just tagging. For example Twitter actively downgrades the feeds of such tagged entities.
It also puts US propaganda agencies on top. For example try searching for "Kremlin" on Twitter.

Articles from this Forum used to show up all the time on Google searches... not anymore

I use Yandex to do searches. If you search in English it drags up all the western sites. It is like Google used to be before Brin
exposed his totalitarian horns.

kvs wrote:I use Yandex to do searches.   If you search in English it drags up all the western sites.   It is like Google used to be before Brin
exposed his totalitarian horns.

I have the Yandex Search Engine but was getting too much commercial crap like Bing. Will have to check it out again.

franco wrote:

kvs wrote:I use Yandex to do searches.   If you search in English it drags up all the western sites.   It is like Google used to be before Brin
exposed his totalitarian horns.

I have the Yandex Search Engine but was getting too much commercial crap like Bing. Will have to check it out again.

I use Adblock Plus which also suppresses malicious javascript attacks via 3rd party advertisements. And I go the main web page of search
engines instead of installing any apps. But you are right Yandex is not ideal and tries to emulate Google in many ways.

My friend was actually sent to that province on a business trip some years back

Yep those camps are real, were still being built back then

But I don't know who's sent there or what percentage of people or what in circumstances or whatever.

Less incarcerated than in the US.

The Chinese had to take care of the Wahhabists somehow.
They were "educated" in Saudi and Turkish funded islamic schools and they are now being "reeducated" in Chinese remedial schools.

The US, of course, supports rebel movements in Xinjiang because it would cut the Chinese pipelines from Central Asia and the land based Silk Route via Kazakhstan.

flamming_python wrote:My friend was actually sent to that province on a business trip some years back

Yep those camps are real, were still being built back then

But I don't know who's sent there or what percentage of people or what in circumstances or whatever.

It's unclear what the purpose of these facilities are. I lean towards the CCPs explanation of 'education camps'

What I can say from personal experience is (as I have visited the northern part of Xinjiang province
- Dzhungharia, not the Uyghur dominant southern Tarim Basin) is that the place is a nasty dystopian Orwellian place. The Uyghurs are probably not loaded up in concentration camps, but they are definitely considered a security risk by the CCP

Their culture, religion and language are under threat as the CCP will try to mold them into the '1 country 55 nationalities' framework. It's classic communist social engineering.

As a foreigner in XinJiang (which, contrary to Tibet, is still accessible without additional permits) you too will be considered a similar security threat. In the time span of 8 days I was 'approached' 7 times by local police. Ranging from police officers walking up to me at the train station demanding my phone before plugging it in to some machine with wires hanging out, to bus checks (where out of the 50 or so passengers only my passport was photographed) to police officers asking me on the streets whether 'I was liking the city'

For comparison, in the 4.5 years I lived in China proper I was never out of the blue approached by the local police. In fact, the police in China is one of the most laid back, relaxed and friendly I have ever seen. Extremely helpful too.

My buddy, who did a tour in the Tibetan part of Sichuan (Amdo) had a similar experience. From police officers walking into his hotel room (he barely checked in, meaning that they were probably following him even before that) to police officers ordering him to the bureau for 'a chat' and 'to check his papers'

Anyway, XinJiang itself (this was in 2017) had a very heavy police presence, endless security checks (malls, offices etc) and every corner of the city was covered with smart CCTV. Some of the muzzies looked defeated/ disconnected. The whole place had a rather eery vibe

Obviously this 'smart grid urban dystopia' will soon come to a place near you. 'Re-education camps' included. The Chinese are just a couple of years ahead of us.

But no, large scale internment of the local population is in my view not happening. But it isn't a paradise either

The choice is between a long lasting theocratic toilet and a shorter term "dystopian" living environment. Unfortunately the policing is
driving resentment. But that is a global phenomenon. Much like airport security.

The main point is that the western narrative that assumes there would be democracy and freedom if only those baddies didn't oppress
is total, unmitigated rubbish. The alternative is worse and we see this in places like Libya. No, democracy is not messy. Regime change
and foreign sponsored secessionist strife brings about more misery and not unicorns and flowers.

Chechnya was resolved for the most part because there were enough locals who were not bent on being Wahabbists. Kadyrov's
father was the main rebel leader in 1996, but was later assassinated by the Wahabbis. China will defeat its own goals if it does not
introduce enough slack for the people in the region to find another way. Re-education camps are a waste of time and only drive
more militancy.

This is a nice one , don't miss this video , embarrassing video inside for the west.
not done by super power intel report ,that ask millions dollars per year , but by a lonely parent
on his son youtube account with a camera .  

likely this video will be deleted by google for copyrights infringements in.. 3 , 2 , 1 ....
Amazing how obsolete are becoming today , world best intel agencies with the internet.
             

Come on. I am aware of how dark the corruption of the western nations gets and the ridiculous hypocrisy​. That said anyone who thinks Xi's China isn't as unscrupulous and wicked is delusional.