Russian special military operation in Ukraine #32

Isos wrote:

India itself is quite rich as a country. Its people are poor.

Arkanghelsk wrote:

Erk wrote:
Reads like a load of anti-Russian propaganda to me.

Russia has acquired 20% of the territory of Ukraine and many millions of the citizens.
Close to 8million Ukrainians have fled as refugees, so a country that once had 43million population, is down to what, 28million or so and falling.

Russia has never been more popular to the non-aligned countries, the so called global south.
Who would have thought so many countries have put their hand up to join BRICS, it's all to do with what Russia is fighting for.

It's a marathon not a sprint and it doesn't sound like Russia is loosing to me.

You are smoking some good cope!

Russia has lost the war dude, they will leave Zaporozhye eventually after a "difficult choice", and Putin will try to get a deal for LDNR and Crimea

That's the best he will do

He can declare victory once if takes Donbass and frame it as a victory

The zombies which follow him and the rest of the bureaucracy will also fall in line and keep repeating it and calling anyone who disagrees a traitor or a 5th columnist - and he will retain his power - that is if Ukraine doesn't push him out of Crimea and Donbass, then he will be removed

Ukraine won the war already , simply by existing and retaking vast amounts of its land, and land which Russia annexed as its own , is a victory for Ukraine

They fought a war of survival, and took casualties but ended up regaining their lands and their sovereignty, NATO also is entrenched in Ukraine and has killed thousands of Russians and destroyed Russian infrastructure

The Russian surgical approach failed, the only hope for the copium addicts is a winter offensive, but I doubt it will come considering the Kremlin is already trying to get some peace talks setup

The Russian army could have won, simply by conducting heavy strikes and leveling the infrastructure, the offensives would have been easier and less casualties taken

But the leadership elected this ridiculous strategy as a compromise with the liberals like Putin , Medvedev, and the rest of the security council pretending to be patriots

NATO also has seen the limits of the Russian army, and if they fight like that , NATO has nothing to worry about, they can bomb Russia savagely while the Kremlin won't use nukes to preserve lives

billybatts91 wrote:

Tolstoy wrote:

Azi wrote: Yes, it's true that Russia also has asian roots, not to mention the geography...but the european influence is too big.

Precisely! This is why despite the fact that Russia is going to win hands down in Ukraine Putin should NOT burn the European bridge for the sake of some discredited, meaningless mostly third world gatherings like BRICS and SCO.

WTF are you smoking? Russia has never in its history fully unified itself with Europe and I don't think it ever will or can. If Russia did that, they would become a larger Poland with nuclear weapons. They would not be a sovereign and independent power anymore and the European influence would rot Russia from the inside out. You would see all kinds of vultures descending upon Russia, like they did after the collapse of the Soviet Union. We know what a disaster it was in Russia from 1991 to 2000, this would be far far worse.

The only way Russia could have any good relations with some European countries is if people like Berlusconi, Schröder and Chirac were running things in their respective countries and in Europe as a whole, but we know those days are pretty much over. People in Europe don't vote for folks like that anymore and America wouldn't allow it either.

The BRICS are not a meaningless third world joke, are you stupid? The BRICS are a serious group that doesn't want to see Western hegemony over the whole planet. The momentum is on their side. They have far more people they represent then the West does (who are in a demographic death spiral currently), they will have the larger GDP combined, more and more countries want to join it and help end Western hegemony (a majority of the planet hate the West and Western people for what they did during the colonial period). It is a great alternative to the Western imperialist system and anyone thinking they are a joke or it's gonna go away somehow is delusional and quite frankly very very stupid, doesn't follow current news and where the future trendlines are headed. How is the West gonna defeat the BRICS? They will have to learn to accept them and deal with them, because they will not boss them around anymore like they did in the past. This is the reality.

I would say that America and Europe will have greater internal issues and problems to deal with than the emerging BRICS will have. These internal issues will weaken the West greatly in the coming decades and a lot of it will be of their own doing.

franco wrote:Can someone put this up, this old fart cannot!

https://twitter.com/makeUsmallA/status/1591017877540593664/photo/1

limb wrote:How realistic is it for Russia to capture bakhmut, avdeevka and maryinka by 2024?

ALAMO wrote:
They are shooting at some strongpoint in a building using PG-7R??
Weird. It is a tandem HEAT round designer to penetrate heavy armor with ERA cover.

Podlodka77 wrote:

limb wrote:How realistic is it for Russia to capture bakhmut, avdeevka and maryinka by 2024?

How realistic is it that Brother Garry finally blocks you and rids us of your idiotic comments..?  

Arkanghelsk wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Changing allegiances in the self-afflicted panic are we archy?

Don't forget to change your avatar to the blue & yellow

This whole charade has been a debaucle of epic proportions

I smoked the cope early on, but I'm good off cope - reality is a better stimulant anyway

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Remember that Russia has over 10,000 tanks in storage while Ukraine has most likely no more than 500 tanks in active service. Russia thus can expand the mobilization and flood Ukraine with weapons if needed. A long war benefits Russia.

pavi wrote:Once said;"You can say, where and when war begins. However, you can't say where and when it ends." Russia is in point now that the soup must be finished, no matter how sour it is.
Ukraine is not giving up and does not seek any sort of deal. Why should they? They have bleed a lot, and if ruskies is pushed a bit, they end up only barking with no real bite.
Since june no progress has been made. No mobilization had been carried when it was obvious that objectives were not met. It's been known that mobilization process in Russia is inefficient and slow, because reserves do not have readily prepared structures as opposed for example in Finland where you get the information what is your location in war time immediately after your military service is proceeded. The mobilization is not enough to turn the tide, if only 300k has been mobilised and there is no willinges to sacrifice soldiers.

I don't say that war is lost, but it is made unneccessary difficult if you compare situation, that you would have been mobilised one million soldiers before you attack. Propably no attack wouldn't be needed at all.
As Robert deNiro in Untouchables as AlCapone said;" a man can get much further with nice talk and gun rather than just nice talk!"

Arrow wrote:

The Russians have NEVER declared publicly and shown that they want to occupy/liberate Nikolaev and Odessa, but that was the "plan" of the forum members.

Yes that's right. However, it would be logical to cut off Ukraine from the sea and make an overland corridor all the way to the Transnistria.

flamming_python wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Changing allegiances in the self-afflicted panic are we archy?

Don't forget to change your avatar to the blue & yellow

This whole charade has been a debaucle of epic proportions

I smoked the cope early on, but I'm good off cope - reality is a better stimulant anyway

Na, it's just a case of you being an easily bored passenger.
Go play Pokemon Go or something

Rest of us are in here for the long-haul, Russia is too and I'm sure Surovikin knows what he's doing. He's been given right of way to persecute the war as he sees fit in the same way General Grant was in the US Civil War, so leave the man to it and quit dooming.