Russian special military operation in Ukraine #32

littlerabbit wrote:
Another analysis:


https://bigserge.substack.com/p/surovkins-difficult-choice

Well, technically, if youre unable to supply a bridghead due to the enemy bombarding bridges too much, thats still a military defeat, just one not on the frontline. I really hope theres no deal. Otherwise yeah, the dniepr is more defensible. I hope the offensive in the donbass speeds up. There needs to be frontwide cooperation, not 1 brigade fighting without support against 4 enemy ones, like wagner in bakhmut or 1st slavic in donetsk airport.

kvs wrote:

franco wrote:

Western control of the Worlds GDP was 75% 30 years ago but has dropped to 56% presently. Part of the shift going on in the world order.

The 56% figure is too high.   In real terms, the western GDP is around a third.   But as we have seen since February 24, it is heavily dependent
on resource inputs.   So if the developing world (aka global south) manages to exert some control over its resource exports, then the west
is royally f*cked.   It seems to be partly f*cked already.  

The above is on topic since economics drives all big wars.   Local ethnic strife does not balloon into world wars.  

My bad and apologies here... sleep deprived yesterday and us old folks need our rest. Present figures are 56% for non West and only 44% for the West... so 44% for the West not 56%. Still the point remains, a big shift in economic power over the last 30 years.

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:
Defensive lines were built along the entire Crimea-Kherson border in 2014. Trenches, bunkers, barbed wire etc. On both sides back then, but both lines are in Russia now.

So, maintaining these lines is just, maintaining.

This preparations have to do with the hightend security in regions around 404 which VVP ordered a while back. Some concrete blocks appeared even around airports way off the "border".

franco wrote:
Western control of the Worlds GDP was 75% 30 years ago but has dropped to 56% presently. Part of the shift going on in the world order.

You mean the fake western GDP numbers which are made up to 60% of financial voodoo? 

flamming_python wrote:

ALAMO wrote:

mnztr wrote:

kvs wrote:

franco wrote:

Western control of the Worlds GDP was 75% 30 years ago but has dropped to 56% presently. Part of the shift going on in the world order.

The 56% figure is too high.   In real terms, the western GDP is around a third.   But as we have seen since February 24, it is heavily dependent
on resource inputs.   So if the developing world (aka global south) manages to exert some control over its resource exports, then the west
is royally f*cked.   It seems to be partly f*cked already.  

The above is on topic since economics drives all big wars.   Local ethnic strife does not balloon into world wars.  

Beyond their own GDP how much do they control, through exchanges, payment systems. shipping, ports etc?

The point with the western economy is that it is fake.
Just the same level of fake as an alternate reality they are creating there.
More than 40% of the US economy is made of dust&mirrors. It is a service of a different kind and financials.
A Hollywood fiction factory contributes a vital share of the US GDP. If the Chinese would cut the market for them, this product would drop by half. And the Chinese can do that any single moment, they are censoring and restricting the market access already.
That is how the insane covid stats were created - how it is possible that an economy shrinks 20-30%, yet it keeps floating?
It is physically impossible for any economy constructed on solid grounds. But not the one that is made of exchanging a dog costing a million for two cats half a million each, what makes a two million retail sales already
As someone has said a while ago, I wouldn't be surprised much if the real US economy is equal to the Russian one. If you strip all the financial malversations they are running there, unneeded services, a Facebook&Twitter like products that can be switched off any single moment without any impact to the real life other than improving the mental condition ... What will be left there? A "medical treatment" with $1 000 000 bill for two days at intense care unit? C'mon, jokes aside ...

It's real as long as you believe its real
Or rather, as long as you don't dare to dispel the illusion
As long as you aren't actually becoming an industrial powerhouse yourselves that can undercut expensive German and US goods
As long as you are dependent on EU, Japanese and American technologies and don't start succeeding with your own cheaper ones and grabbing foreign markets
As long as you sell your oil and gas for USD, and in this way act to support the world's leading illusionary currency
As long as you obey all the 'international laws', sell your central bank and national industries to the IMF, sell your sovereign political system and national interests to become a 'democracy', and turn the other cheek when the masters of the system flout all the laws they compel you to abide by

And if you do.. well then best you be prepared to defend yourself
Because they'll find someone who is prepared to obey them; a Ukraine, a Taiwan, a Pakistan - and use them to fight their battle against you. Worst comes to worst, they'll try and take you out themselves.

Posted a couple of months past some interesting numbers concerning services versus production for Western economies and developing economies. The USA was 78% services and only 22% production versus China which was 56% services and 44% production. The average Western economy was 75% services and 25% production. If I remember correctly Russia was 58% services and 42% production.

Hole wrote:

franco wrote:
Western control of the Worlds GDP was 75% 30 years ago but has dropped to 56% presently. Part of the shift going on in the world order.

You mean the fake western GDP numbers which are made up to 60% of financial voodoo? 

Sure easier to do voodoo magic in GDP services then in actual GDP production.

And let me write about Vučić....

As for Vučić, he also likes to talk too much, so as soon as the conflict in Ukroshitstan started, he said that it would last for years.
Serbia is in such a position as it is with a nation that was last united in the First World War.
In Serbia, most of the capital came from the EU, although China is already "partner number 2" in Serbia with a tendency to change to number 1 in the near future.
As for Serbia and, for example, our "brothers" Croats, the fact is that we and they are disappearing because Croatia is now a country with less than 3.9 million inhabitants, while Serbia without Kosovo has less than 6.9 million inhabitants. As things stand, soon St. Petersburg will have more inhabitants than Serbia. In Serbia, there is a shortage of soldiers (Serbs now like to fight only on the Internet), truck and bus drivers, masters of various trades, health workers, as well as highly qualified workforce. Only one category is not lacking in Serbia, and that is politicians.
In Serbia, only two cities (where Serbs are the majority) have an increase in the number of inhabitants, namely Belgrade and Novi Sad, but not due to positive natural growth, but due to migration from smaller areas.
The world has changed a lot in the last 20+ years, and this is especially evident in the generations born in the second half of the nineties and up. While my generation rode bicycles, went to play football or basketball on the sports fields, these new generations do not have these habits and the sports fields are empty. Serbia is just a country that follows the trends in the Christian world and Serbia, like all other countries in the Christian world (except South American countries), simply disappears.
I am for the Kingdom of Serbia and I have never gone to the polls - never, so I am not in favor of joining the EU either. For me, the EU is a utopia just as utopia was "brotherhood and unity" with the peoples of the former SFRY. It is UTOPIA and a LIE..


The possibility of Serbia once again becoming a kingdom and a nation-state in the true sense of those words has been impossible for a long time. We Serbs have been pussies since the end of the First World War and we no longer have our personal identity. There was a political party SPO in Serbia whose leader was an excellent poet but a bad politician and man, so now the entire political group (both position and opposition) in Serbia is lying - they all like to say that they love Russia but still have to do what what Brussels says. There are a lot of people in the opposition who are openly not in favor of Russia, but those parties have a small number of voters.

And one fact; When two football teams play a football match then you have two nations in the stands singing their national anthem and songs. It is a national affiliation towards one's own state, which has existed in each of the nations for centuries, and it is something that has been instilled and the EU is trying to destroy it. The Italians were never Germans, just as the French or the English will never be the same people. I am more for everyone to be for himself, but for each country to have its own policy and to work exclusively for the benefit of its people. The liberal laws of the EU, which are unitary for all members of that union, kill both states and peoples in the long run. The EU is COMMUNIST garbage, which is just not called that openly.A state without a national identity is not a state, and that is what Brussels wants to do from Europeans.

Air alert an hour ago. Nice looking map. 

sundoesntrise wrote:

How did the Midterms go, you Trumptard?

Better than you have been allowed to know. The system is corrupt, so the results have been strung out as long as possible to reduce the impact.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

franco wrote:

Western control of the Worlds GDP was 75% 30 years ago but has dropped to 56% presently. Part of the shift going on in the world order.

c'mon Franco, limp  is living in pro western mental freeze at best or masturbates in kiev trans clubs every night.  The source for my research is  IMF mainly (check wiki or imf directly) . IMF so definitely pro western source so situation can even be worse to de west.


https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WEO/weo-database/2022/October/weo-report?a=1&c=998,&s=NGDPD,PPPGDP,PPPPC,&sy=2021&ey=2022&ssm=0&scsm=0&scc=0&ssd=1&ssc=0&sic=0&sort=country&ds=.&br=1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)


World's GDP (est) 2022 is 160,000T


GDP PPP
USA:  25,000T
EU   : 24,000T

Japan: 6000T
Korea  2,200T
UK 3,700


so 60,000T max of worlds 160 000T so its not even fuckin 50% it is  so West GDP share in in 2022, in the whole world is something like 38% at most.  in 10 years is will be much smaller percentagewise


Wakey wakey.  Civilian aircraft not for long? - Russia and China in 10 years will be nice choice for others not licking us dirty sphincter (like some on this forum ) .


This is the last call for colonialist empires to keep their share of "free market" .   With using nazis and their followers.

Sorry figure should have been 44% and to your countries add Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Israel, Taiwan, Singapore and they might even include Hong Kong (some do). So 44% would be 70 trillion. It is close and I didn't write the article and numbers, just posted it.

Russian Armed Forces destroyed three M777 systems and up to 30 mercenaries in the Zaporozhye region
https://ria.ru/20221113/minoborony-1831165869.html

MOSCOW, November 13 - RIA Novosti. Russian troops destroyed three US-made M777 artillery systems and up to 30 foreign mercenaries near the city of Zaporozhye during a counter-battery fight, the Russian Defense Ministry said on Sunday.
"During the counter-battery fight in the area of ​​the city of Zaporozhye, three US-made M777 artillery systems, as well as up to 30 foreign instructors and mercenaries who were part of the artillery crews, were destroyed," the ministry said in a statement.

no way indestructible western technology destroyed? buhubuuuu

mnztr wrote:

Beyond their own GDP how much do they control, through exchanges, payment systems. shipping, ports etc?

That's true, but that's also why Ruble denominated wheat and oil, Yuan/Ruble denominated   oil trade is something that slowly/surely cut wings of western hegemony. Alos owne merchant fleet (like USSR) wont hurt.


Interesting all GDP measurements in the west is done assuming Russia has 143,6 millions of people. US bullshit again. With Crimea since 2014 is 146m  with Donbass -~  155. GDP shall go up a bit isnt it? Since February 2022 in all western countries PPP grew! even when people run riots sicne purchasing power gone DOWN a lot. Food gone 20% but slaries didnt. And Russian PPP fell.

Western PPP must have been measured in complex numbers since 2022/02 - the real part fell while imaginary grew a lot.

franco wrote:
Sorry figure should have been 44% and to your countries add Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Israel, Taiwan, Singapore and they might even include Hong Kong (some do). So 44% would be 70 trillion. It is close and I didn't write the article and numbers, just posted it.

I respectfully disagree:
Canada 2,2 bln
Taiwan 1,6
Australia 1,6
Israelv 0.5 to me it is like 6max , those previous were nto even 60 to now we have more then 60 say 63-65.

So still far from 50%. And year by year thsi will only get worse for western colonial empires... just crumbling time



B) Hong-Kong is NOT west but China regardless sof de wezt claims. Taiwan will return to motherland too. No worries.

Hole wrote:
Air alert an hour ago. Nice looking map. 

Two R-73 under the wing, two RVV-SD under the engine nacelle, two R-37M under the centerplane and Kh-31P ?

OT but all GRP measurements in the west is done assuming Russia has 143,6 millions of people. wrote:

Russia has over 150 million people. For many years there was a huge emigration from eastern Ukraine. If they include Donbass and several other regions, that's 10 million people. Plus immigration from other republics to Russia.

Arrow wrote:

Russia has over 150 million people. For many years there was a huge emigration from eastern Ukraine. If they include Donbass and several other regions, that's 10 million people. Plus immigration from other republics to Russia.

Before this conflict, Russia had a population of 143.4 million in 2021 (data from the extremely unreliable Wiki) while now there are OVER 3 million refugees in Russia and 6.2 million new residents in the liberated areas.
So Russia now has about 153 million with a tendency to increase, of course.

flamming_python wrote:
https://t.me/VasiletsDmitriy/5385
Have to say the pro-Ukrainian greeting party/rent-a-crowd in Kherson sq. for the arriving Ukrainian soldiers is not very large at all

for returning to the Motherland something like 87,5% voted. So 12,5% is still pro ukiropistan . you can easily find 100thousands in 1,6million region's population

NOTE: so a break would be nice

NYT: Winter break in conflict in Ukraine could last up to six months

The suspension of hostilities in Ukraine could last up to six months. The New York Times writes about it .

The winter break could last up to six months.

According to the publication, the movement of the troops of the parties will slow down due to "rain and soft soil at the end of November", as well as possible snowfalls and cold weather, despite the fact that the movement of troops is already slowing down during this period.

The New York Times, citing officials from the administration of US President Joe Biden , writes that Washington will take advantage of the forced pause to increase arms supplies to Kiev .

Earlier, The New York Times, citing sources , wrote that Ukraine could deploy a hidden campaign in winter to show that the country's armed forces could retaliate in Russian -controlled territories.

https://www-gazeta-ru.translate.goog/army/news/2022/11/13/19023913.shtml?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

The Ukros got no air force. Why the heck are they painting their tanks with this white stripes? To make it easier for Lancet operators to see them? 


Taken from the Saker page. Red are the rivers you got to cross while moving along the coastline. Really better to attack from the North.

franco wrote:NOTE: so a break would be nice  

Yeah, Russians don´t know how to fight in winter. Their vehicles and soldiers are poorly equipped for low temperatures. 
I must know it, I´m from Germany. Boy, did we show them in winter. 

Oil trade is 95% of the economics - Europe continues to guzzle Russian oil/gas. Miltrade is 95% of the politics - US is unable/unwilling to replace Russia in any reasonable timeframe  in most of Asia and Africa.