Russian special military operation in Ukraine #32

Can't Russia destroy the command system of Ukro army?

The authorities announced the transfer of Ukrainian troops to the Zaporozhye region


The Command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) is moving troops to the Zaporizhia region in three directions. This was announced by a member of the main Council of the regional administration, chairman of the movement "We are together with Russia" Vladimir Rogov on the air of the channel "Solovyov Live" on Thursday, November 17.

"The three main destinations that are being transferred to are Orekhov, Gulyai-Pole and Kamenskoye. Troops are being transferred from the Kherson-Kryvyi Rih direction, through Dnepropetrovsk, " Rogov said.

He said that the Ukrainian Armed Forces are pulling together manpower, armored vehicles, helicopters, anti-tank guns, howitzers, American multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) and artillery to the Zaporozhye region.

Rogov also noted that Russian intelligence is tracking this regrouping of Ukrainian troops. The leadership has a full understanding of the enemy's plans, he stressed.

Prior to this, on November 12, Rogov reported that Ukraine was strengthening the military grouping in the Zaporozhye direction, transferring resources from Kherson. He specified that the defense line there is being strengthened, as Ukrainian troops may try to break through with maximum forces.

On November 8, it was reported that the militants of the nationalist formation "Kraken", as well as Polish mercenaries, are fighting on the side of Kiev in the Zaporozhye direction.

Earlier, on October 19, Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree on the introduction of martial law in the territories of the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions from October 20.

Prior to that, on September 30, the Russian President signed agreements on the inclusion of the above-mentioned territories into Russia following referendums.

The special operation to protect the Donbass, which the Russian President announced on February 24, continues. The decision was made against the background of the aggravation of the situation in the region due to shelling by the Ukrainian military.

https://translated.turbopages.org/proxy_u/ru-en.en.4e0374a0-63764eb8-05858e3b-74722d776562/https/iz.ru/1426877/2022-11-17/vlasti-soobshchili-o-perebroske-ukrainskikh-voisk-k-zaporozhskoi-oblasti

mnrck wrote:Projekt 404 Ukraine is Russian made, Russia must take responsibility to accept Ukraine back to Russia. (According to Zelensky, S300 missiles that successfully destroyed Polish tractor/killed two people are Russian made)

It is an old Soviet Union system they use from prior to 1992 and you quote a coke head as a reliable information source... that clown wouldn't know the truth if it bite him in the ass

What's happening on the frontlines?

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Can't Russia destroy the command system of Ukro army?

It's kinda hard unless Russia actually invest in real Hard target penetrator. The Ukrainian command and control is using old Soviet era bunker. Im gonna have to ask user : @Krakek which familiar with Soviet era bunker construction.

These bunkers however are built tough and taken account of Earthquake Bomb type attack. This is example of one :

https://twitter.com/krakek1/status/1578354781415841793

Notice the near 7 meter of concrete top there. It's gonna take some serious punch.

A list of Artillery & MLRS that are being used by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, including all the foreign ones they received during the war:

9K52 Luna-M

Tochka U

Brimstone

AGM-114 Hellfire

BM-21 Grad

BM-21 Verba

BM-27 Uragan

BM-27 Burevyi

BM-30 Smerch

BM-30 Vilkha

M-142 HIMARS

M-270 MLRS

M-777

RM-70

TOS-1 Buratino

S-8

Stealthflanker wrote:
Notice the near 7 meter of concrete top there.  It's gonna take some serious punch.

If Kinzhal took out the 50s standard A-grade weapon storage in Carpathian mountain, 7m concrete makes no difference.
WW2 U-boot shelters had ceilings much thicker than that, yet were considered vulnerable to heavy bombs. The issue was that the Allies could not hit them with desired precision.
The issue is where those are located.
Some of those has been built as a part of heavy building project like the metro, so can be hidden dozens of meters underground.
And covered with civilian infrastructure including government buildings.
It is not a matter of location, Russkie knows it precisely. They built those in the Soviet era.
The question is, what is above them, which makes it a political decision.
Muricans had no problems with that, they have just destroyed a civilian shelter in Bagdad killing hundreds of innocent civilians inside because some data center was hidden under it.
Russkie have.

NOTE: interesting look at the battle history of one of the Russian units participating in the SMO

126th Separate Coastal Defence Brigade
Chronicles of the collective feat of the Russian troops during the Special Military Operation

https://twitter.com/rybar_en/status/1593267381685600256

In Afghanistan , the tunnels were pumped full of gas and exploded . If Russia knows locations , then they know air - vents . Then plan needed to introduce gas into them ?
Drone can land and connect / insert pipe with fan , by remote control . Helicopter can lower / plane drops tank with chute - tank full of gas , open vent . Drone suck in all the gas / air mixture ( heavier than air ) ? No VFX needed this time ! Structures above not Affected .

US runs out of stocks of some weapons and ammunition it promised to supply to Ukraine - CNN . In particular 155-mm artillery ammunition and Stingers. CNN sources believe that there may be difficulties with Javelin, HARM missiles and GMLRS.

De-militarization. 

You didn't suppose they have started to supply 105mm cal for no reason, did you?
The question of where $90+ bln is starting to be really really loud in the US.
Silly people, those are exactly where it was supposed to be

Still to much light in Kharkov. Tomorrow will be another Monday.

Attack on Ugledar: The road between Pavlovka and Nikolskoye in the DPR has been taken under the full control of Russian troops, - the Ministry of Defense Marines of the Pacific Fleet and fighters of the DPR OBTF continue the operation in the South Donetsk direction.

Those zombies again...! 

Chronicle of the Special Military Operation for 16 Nov 2022

#Orlov Region:

A drone of Ukrainian militants today hit one of the tanks at the Steel Horse oil depot in the #Orlov region, but a fire and fuel leakage was avoided.

#Belarus Direction:

Near #Pinsk in the Republic of #Belarus, personnel of the State Border Committee shot down an Ukrainian copter that was trying to scout the positions of Belarusian border troops.

#Starobelsk Direction (MAP):

In the #Kupyansk sector, Ukrainian formations conducted reconnaissance battle at the #Peschanoye - #Stelmakhovka line. At the same time, the 103rd Brigade of the Territorial Defencee made another attack attempt on #Kuzemovka. All attacks were repulsed and the enemy suffered losses.

In addition, the AFU is preparing for a large-scale offensive in this direction. Up to two artillery brigades have been brought to the contact line.

In the #Lyman sector, the enemy went on the to defence and sent only sabotage and reconnaissance groups towards #Chervonopopovka.

In the #Lysychansk sector, fighting continues near #Belogorovka. Ukrainian fighters have unsuccessfully attempted to retake previously lost positions.

#Lugansk People's Republic:

Ukrainian militants shelled several LPR towns with HIMARS and other guns. #Svatovo, #Starobelsk, #Perevalsk and #Mirnoye were hit and civilian infrastructure damaged.

#Donetsk Direction:

Enemy militants again launched massive strikes on towns in the #Donetsk agglomeration, #Donetsk itself, #Volnovakha, #Dokuchaevsk, #Yasinovataya, #Makeyevka and #Razdolnoye were hit.

#Zaporozhye Direction (MAP):

The AFU command is actively moving forces into the #Orekhov section. Additional units together with armoured vehicles arrive at #Orekhov itself, in #Volnyanka and #Preobrazhenka. Some units are being moved from the direction of #Kherson.

Several enemy sabotage groups have been formed in the #Gulyaypole area near #Gulyaypole, #Malinovka and #Komsomolskoye to work in the rear of Russian forces.

#Kherson Direction on Southern Front:

In the southern sector of the front, the sides are conducting artillery duels across the #Dnipro. Russian forces have been working on targets in #Dudchany, #Kachkarovka, #Prydniprovskoye, #Zmievka and #Mylovoye.


https://t.me/Slavyangrad/20763

When the deployment of the Russian army to Ukraine is finalized, we will have to answer two hard questions.

First, when will they attack? If they choose the Winter offensive as many predict, Kiev will be faced with tough choices. Russians will hit somewhere but not before they repeat yesterday's fireworks but on an unimaginable scale. Not just on electricity infrastructure but on everything that will paralyze Ukraine's ability to respond appropriately. No doubt, Russians will achieve a breakthrough but the population of Ua would not be lucky.

By this, I mean, many of them will try to escape, in Winter conditions, without heat, electricity, water, and precious internet. That could indeed lead to a humanitarian disaster that no one wants, but it seems unavoidable in this scenario. The collapse in the hinterland could also bring the collapse of some AFU lines, creating new breaches and as a consequence new disaster for people.

We are no longer brothers, and it's quite a waste of time parroting the opposite. Too much blood is spilled to pretend that nothing happened. But at the same time, we can't allow them to freeze or starve to death. We are not barbarians, although, im pretty certain that they wouldn't have that dilemma. Maybe im wrong here. I wish. So, in this scenario, we would need to take care of millions of people, which will as a result impede our attack.

If we decide to wait for the anniversary of the SMO start, things would be easier, but not so much.

This leads us to the next question. Where are we going to attack? Logically, we go for Donbass with an endpoint in Zaporozie and Nikolaev (modest scope of operation). But that will not bring us to the goals of operation we set from the start.

To fulfill the goals, we must take all that, along with Kiev, to force the Ua to peace. Two pronged attack is probably the solution for this. One pincer from Belarus, the other from the south. But we have a way to go from the south, so it's not quite as real.

Only the total collapse of the Ua army will guarantee us the plausibility of this scenario. I don't see that happening. They would have to be crushed somewhere, to terminate their will to resist. We already inflict heavy losses on them in soldiers and hardware, but they are still fighting. What is the breaking point of Ukraine is currently unknown, at least to me. But, whenever and however we decide to go to attack, im certain in one thing. That will be the biggest battle in Europe since WW2.


https://t.me/Slavyangrad/20747

Hole wrote:US runs out of stocks of some weapons and ammunition it promised to supply to Ukraine - CNN . In particular 155-mm artillery ammunition and Stingers. CNN sources believe that there may be difficulties with Javelin, HARM missiles and GMLRS.

De-militarization. 

Possible outcome of the Republicans winning the house perhaps?

Pro Ukrainian sources report a precision strike at a Russian HQ in Melitopol with 100 Russian casualties.

Sakharuk says nearly half of Ukraine is more or less permanently without electricity now. Temperatures are hovering around 0° C in half the country and will drop well below freezing in the coming hours. Snowing began today and is now picking up, with Kiev expecting up to 20 centimetres over the next two days.

The additional large-scale missile and UAV strikes today were aimed at gas facilities, so that's going to make things even worse.

I wouldn't discount the possibility of an exodus from especially Kiev before the end of this week, towards the westernmost oblasts.

Exodus is already in the air for long bro.

Does it benefit Russia?

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Can't Russia destroy the command system of Ukro army?

That is in Washington.

Hole wrote:US runs out of stocks of some weapons and ammunition it promised to supply to Ukraine - CNN . In particular 155-mm artillery ammunition and Stingers. CNN sources believe that there may be difficulties with Javelin, HARM missiles and GMLRS.

De-militarization. 

Yeaaah that's not true.

I love how fast you fanboy will cite CNN when it suits you but call them propaganda when it doesn't