Russian special military operation in Ukraine #32

More than the strikes, the fact that the talks have fizzled out as soon as they began suggests that Kherson had nothing to do with any 'Minsk-3'

About a big plan I don't know. I still tend to think it's more about the danger from the dam bursting than anything else.

So you think the reason they withdrew were for the reasons they stated... that is progress...

@Erk please don't quote this user or the content he links to. How many times does Gary need to explain it...

Orc propaganda posted by nazis should not go unchallenged... IMHO.

Russian Kalibr cruise missiles shot down within seconds over Kyiv Oblast on Nov. 15 by IRIS-T.

Iris-T spans an umbrella of 50 km in diameter. Try to geolocate that.

That first explosion seemed much bigger than the explosion in the air, so I would say one Kalibr got a hit on target and one air defence weapon destroyed the remaining fuel component of the Kalibr caught on video... the fire ball was a small HE warhead destroying remaining fuel... not the detonation of a 400kg HE warhead... which would have been a faster explosion with less fireball and more smoke.

Can't Russia destroy the command system of Ukro army?

It is broken up into so many pieces there is nothing to actually break... just locate comms signals and keep hitting HQs is all they can do.

On the positive side it means the enemy can't manage large formation operations...

It is not a matter of location, Russkie knows it precisely. They built those in the Soviet era.
The question is, what is above them, which makes it a political decision.

The other factor is do you destroy something that is not very effective and risk the replacements might be more competent and effective?

In Afghanistan , the tunnels were pumped full of gas and exploded . If Russia knows locations , then they know air - vents . Then plan needed to introduce gas into them ?
Drone can land and connect / insert pipe with fan , by remote control . Helicopter can lower / plane drops tank with chute - tank full of gas , open vent . Drone suck in all the gas / air mixture ( heavier than air ) ? No VFX needed this time ! Structures above not Affected .

They did that while controlling the territory above... dealing with it in a remote location is more problematic.

Does it benefit Russia?

Removing meat shields makes the Orcs job harder with no civis to hide behind.

I love how fast you fanboy will cite CNN when it suits you but call them propaganda when it doesn't

Whether it is true or not, what is important is that the current spin is that this is expensive and is going to be hard to maintain this level of support for your nazi allies.

The old chestnut... during the cold war the Soviets were trusted only when supplying bad news... everything else was considered propaganda... same holds for western media now really.

Support from Klingon arrived.

Impressive shot getting it when it drops its cloaking device...

Speaking in general, i would not underestimate the US MIC capabilities.

Never underestimate their capacity to whine and complain... to drive up the price... and screw the taxpayer for everything they can.

On a side note, my own country supposedly sent over thousands of FNC rifles. Who knows where they ended up, but i have yet to see more than a handfull in use. Probably stockpiled and then destroyed by the Kalibr by now.

Or sold on the black market and coming to an organised crime syndicate near you...

Having up until now been a staunch supporter of Ukraine, Jaroslaw Pakula said the missile accident showed Warsaw needed to send a blunt message to Kiev rather than telling its own citizens “fairy tales.”

“Of course, this is a Ukrainian rocket. Of course, this is a provocation on the part of the Ukrainian authorities,” Pakula posted on his Facebook page.

So Orcs killing Poles now to get the west to fund their genocide of Russians...

But at the same time, we can't allow them to freeze or starve to death. We are not barbarians,

They are not going to stop for less, so that is the treatment they need before they rethink what they are doing...

GarryB wrote:
That first explosion seemed much bigger than the explosion in the air, so I would say one Kalibr got a hit on target and one air defence weapon destroyed the remaining fuel component of the Kalibr caught on video... the fire ball was a small HE warhead destroying remaining fuel... not the detonation of a 400kg HE warhead... which would have been a faster explosion with less fireball and more smoke.

I'd say 1st missile hit its target, 2nd one was successfully hit by AD but the actual warhead wasn't neutralized (we just see the fireball of fuel), so the strike component continued ballistically (unguided, on inertia) and hit whatever down the line. Possibly even its intended target too, depending on how terminal it was.

I mean, things are getting shot down, let's not kid ourselves. But it's nowhere near the overall successes the Ukrainians are claiming (going by their "data" they are supposedly shooting down more missiles than are even fired at them, and still loads of these somehow survive and are impacting serious targets...)

Most modern AD systems have recorded success rates in the 90% ballpark. That is, when properly up and running and successfully locked onto a target, they hit it 9/10 times.

But yeah, that obviously doesn't automatically translate into neutralizing 90% of *everything*. If there are 40 incoming missiles and you shoot down 5 using 5 SAMs, that's a 100% success rate. The remaining 35, well.

Lots of fudging about with numbers like these. Evidently, AD systems can't be everywhere at once, on high alert, in perfect circumstances. And even if they could, saturation tactics always work. Cf when the Ukrainians wasted an a**load of Bayraktars on Snake Island, until the Tors there simply ran out of rounds and were destroyed.

* 07:49 Combat work of the 3rd Guards Brigade of the NM DPR in the Gorlovka region
https://t.me/intelslava/41312

* 08:06 Russian kamikaze UAV "Kub" attacks on the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Pavlovka area.
https://t.me/intelslava/41313


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News from Ukroshitstan;

November 18, 08:25
Military operation in Ukraine

The head of the Ministry of Finance of Ukraine estimated the damage to the country's infrastructure at $100 billion

Sergei Marchenko did not rule out that the amount could be more

TASS, 18 November. The damage caused to Ukraine's infrastructure since February can be estimated at $100 billion, Finance Minister Serhiy Marchenko said on Friday on Bloomberg-TV.
"[Damage] over the entire period could be estimated at about $100 billion, possibly more. It's quite difficult to estimate the full damage, as the infrastructure is attacked daily," he said.

Earlier, European Commissioner for Crisis Management Janez Lenarcic said that the damage to Ukraine's energy infrastructure is approaching a critical point, so the European Union is working non-stop to support the country's energy supply.

The participants of the special session of the UN General Assembly on Monday adopted a resolution on compiling an international register of damage allegedly caused by Russia to Ukraine, as well as recognizing the need to create a mechanism to compensate for losses. 94 countries voted for the document, and 97 countries did not support the document, of which 14 were against, 73 abstained.

https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/16364877

Ukrs at it again.

12+ soldiers who gave up were executed in this yard. This is the still from the video.

Another reason why Russians should never surrender.

ALAMO wrote:They look like republican units, didn't they?

LNR troops as some sources say (Rusych TG group)

GarryB wrote:That first explosion seemed much bigger than the explosion in the air, so I would say one Kalibr got a hit on target and one air defence weapon destroyed the remaining fuel component of the Kalibr caught on video... the fire ball was a small HE warhead destroying remaining fuel... not the detonation of a 400kg HE warhead... which would have been a faster explosion with less fireball and more smoke.

To prevent their cruise missiles from being intercepted by Ukrainian SAMs what Russia can do is use cruise missiles in tandem with a reconnaissance drone flying at high altitude and detecting targets. Then the reconnaissance drone transmits coordinates to the cruise missiles allowing it to glide towards the target.

Isos, do you have any other nonsense from your arsenal of nonsense to share with us ?
And while Ukroshitstan remains without power plants, without infrastructure and everything else - you upload extremely suspicious video material.

https://tass.ru/obschestvo/16365735

Nearly 4.8 million refugees arrived in Russia from Ukraine and Donbass

According to the Ministry of Emergency Situations of the Russian Federation, Russia paid them 11.1 billion rubles
MOSCOW, 18 November. /TASS/. Since February, Russia has received almost 4.8 million refugees from the territories of Ukraine and Donbass, Anatoly Suprunovsky, deputy head of the Ministry of Emergency Situations of the Russian Federation, said on Friday.

"More than 4,790,000 people, including more than 712,000 children, arrived on the territory of the Russian Federation through checkpoints," he said at a meeting of the All-Russian Coordinating Council of Commissioners for Human Rights, dedicated to protecting human rights in the field of migration. The reception of refugees began on 18 February.

Russia paid 11.1 billion rubles to refugees who arrived from the territories of Donbass and Ukraine, said the deputy head of the Ministry of Emergency Situations.

Medical assistance was provided to 93,000 refugees. "More than 93,000 people, including 31,000 children, applied for medical help. Psychologists provided assistance to 34,000 who applied," he said.

Automobile convoys of the Russian Emergencies Ministry delivered more than 152,000 tons of humanitarian cargo to the territory of Ukraine and Donbass, Suprunovsky said.

"More than 152,000 tons of humanitarian aid have been delivered by convoys of the Russian Emergencies Ministry to provide humanitarian assistance to residents of the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions, as well as certain regions of Ukraine," he said

ALAMO wrote:And we talk the post-Feb22 only.
While the first wave, post14 was about 3 mln either.
Plus some 4-5 mln in total to Poland for the entire 2014+ period.
That is a scale of dehumanization of the failed 404 miserable state.

Cheers to you bro..  
I'm trying to understand that country and the people who live there, but I can't. They had all one bad president - each succeeding one was worse than the previous one. The West did not like Yanukovych because he finally started to turn the then Ukraine (now Ukroshitstan) towards Russia. Ukroshitstan is divided and I am convinced that at least 50% of the population is against the war, but it is impossible to raise your voice in public in a "state" where all political parties are banned and there is only one mind - the Nazi one that is wholeheartedly supported by the West.

A poster on MoA reported that an Australian friend in Lviv told him that the last incoming there was around 18.00 but the Polish hit was 20.00ish.

Can anyone confirm the times?

ALAMO wrote:

Yeah, I have watched that already :afraid:
It is 80th Air Assault Bde responsible for.
Seems that Russkie already found the guilties by name. One of them get wounded in the process, and probably some of the executed fought for life - most probably the one that lay alone on the right.

Just curious: does anyone of you folks recorded an example of executing POWs by the Russkies?
Serious question, nobody is able to see all material we have out there, but we all together most probably did.
I have registered two cases when Russkie executed Ukrainian soldiers, but on both occasions the situation is unclear. In both cases, the victims have been wounded earlier, and it might have been an act of mercy. One body resembles the guy who had a skull crash open, without any chance to survive. The other was shoot in a clash, dragged into position, searched, and shoot 3 times after that. Anyway, the body didn't respond to anything, he could be already dead and just "finished" to be sure.
None of those two was a POW situation.
Have any of you marked anything alike?

No mass POW executions from the Russian side, not even LNR/DNR.
Questionable videos of one or two POWs.
I believe executions happen, but not on the same scale. Badly injured are put down or POWs can't be extracted (let's say when DRGs work behind enemy lines). But never in safe place, layed down and executed like cattle.
Russian side films all the crap as Ukrainians, so if that existed, it would be out there for us to see. But I am afraid videos like there will be out there, not by the Russian army, but LNR and DNR guys will want revenge. Good luck controlling them.

PS. Also, people who cry about Azov and other nazi groups in Ukraine are blind to see that non-nazi Ukrainian units are as bad if not worse. It's like they don't need ideology to be scum.

Regular wrote:. But I am afraid videos like there will be out there, not by the Russian army, but LNR and DNR guys will want revenge. Good luck controlling them.

DNR said a long time ago that specifically Ukie artillery operatives would not be spared, for 1000s of good reasons.

I hope no-one minds but as you may have noticed I keep posting posts that I think merit it from other sites. These two from MoA put it pretty well.

Surovikin is on the eastern bank of the Dnieper. Destroying and degrading what is left of what was once a viable country on the western bank. Defensively secure, Surovikin will systematically destroy any semblance of a viable country. No more Ukraine.

Surovikin is using Zhukov's 1943 plan against von Manstein's army. The little comedian on the propaganda piano in Kiev is no Erich von Manstein. More Eric Morecombe (late English comedian). Those Russians sure know how to win a war on the Dnieper.

Like a great boxer can absorb a punch. Even a knockdown. But in the last rounds of big fights they keep punching. Keep coming. Because like all great fighters they know it isn't the ability to throw a punch that counts in big fights. Its the capacity to absorb big punches and still keep coming.

That is the difference between a Russian army and a Anglo European one. The British always ran to the sea in wars on continental Europe. The Russians had no sea to evacuate to. Always fought with their backs to the motherland. Tough people make tough armies. They have never been defeated on the Dnieper. And they won't be now.

Posted by: Paul McGrory | Nov 18 2022 0:17 utc | 158

The US always betrays and abandons its proxies. Zelensky and Ukraine are no different. The backing off has been going on subtly for weeks, but the Polish missile crisis does seem a turning point. Winter is here and Russia has no made life close to unbearable for large swaths of the Ukrainian population. That makes life very difficult for the government of Ukraine. Ukraine’s sponsors are starting to have to think about their own problems. Biden has a hostile house of reps in a few weeks and needs to start looking towards running. Trump is going to be a destabilizing distraction.

And the reality is that Kherson withdrawal aside, the AFU is being steadily worn down. It also has to deal with winter but unlike the Russian side will have little hope of troop rotations to better conditions for rest.

The bridges may be a grand corruption scheme. It may also be that bridges aren’t that easy to really destroy. Or it may also be that the civilians on the east side of those bridges can use them, likely will use them with the energy problems and that reduces human shields for the AFU. If Russia is planning a winter offensive, trapping the civilians is problematic. There is almost certainly a winter offensive because Russia can’t keep 300k mobilized reservists mobilized indefinitely. When is anyone’s guess, but I’d wager on after civilians start leaving, as civilian flows west will complicate resupply and maneuver moving east.

Posted by: Lex | Nov 18 2022 0:25 utc | 160