Russian special military operation in Ukraine #43

mr_hd wrote:We are witnessing huge Ukrainian diplomatic offensive right now.
Zelensky was last week in Germany, Italy, France and UK. His wife was in S. Korea at the same time. Huge deals are made, not only for further supply of advanced weapons, trainings etc. but also cooperation and new export orders for Ukrainian defense sector that is going through massive technological transfer and expansion... And now Zelensky is touring Arab league and G7. He is also reaching to India, China and African countries...

Ukraine is making sure to go after Russian interests and prestige globally. It is also turning itself in bastion of NATO and thus making sure to do exactly opposite against Russian military interests long term. They will get western jets too. So after 1 year Ukraine is getting all strategic weapons requested, no one could predict such development when war started.

Russia can not achieve strategic goals in Ukraine anymore, Russian solders are dying for nothing there.

Isos wrote:The Dniepr offers a good protection to Ukrainians. It will be bloody hard to cross for Russians. I doubt they will go for the western part.

If they go they will have to push from Belarus and make a landing in that half island part under Moldova under the threat of Harpoon missiles.

For the eastern part they won't let any land to ukraine so Kiev will at least be on the border (Dniepr). So once the russian army comes there the fighting will probably destroy Kiev.

On the other hand, having the Dniepr as a border will strenghten Ukrainian position and will be a natural obstacle in any future war if Ukraine goes into NATO. And ukrainians will keep harassing them with artillery accross the river so the fighting will continue 10 years at least.

Russia has no other choice than take all Ukraine. So IMO the plan is right now is to kill as many ukros as possible and let just the normal peopke that refuse the war who either hide or leave the country because once they are the only ones left they will be easy to rule over if they annexe the country.

With the fanatics they will have attacks every day if they annexe it just like US in afghanistan or Iraq. So until they kill at least 80% of them they won't push to take territory.

The have a large protected crossing. Its called Belarus in case you didn't hear.

Podlodka77 wrote:To FP.....

I agree with you, so I also wrote that if Russia takes/liberates Odessa or Kharkov again, a large population will leave those cities.
Remember only one thing and that is that a country WITHOUT a national identity is a country that has been lost in the long run. When I hear that a Westerner writes here that he is an atheist - I don't give a ****. However, when a Russian writes that, I immediately KNOW that some Westerner will try to recruit that Russian against the Russian state.
As long as Russia keeps Lenin's mausoleum, there is no happiness for Russia. To this day, Russians are dying because of all the evil brought by the red rats.

I have written countless times who is to blame for why Odessa, Nikolaev and Kharkov are in today's Ukroshitstan.
However, those who celebrate red rats like that disgusting bolshevik Firebird and others like him (atheists and liberals and similar side effects of Western civilization transferred to Eastern Europe) are people without a national identity.

I am in favor of Russia using the given weapon to strike the West (not Ukroshitstan) with nuclear weapons, if necessary.
Russia's greatest enemy and the only real one is the West.
Russia does not need Kharkov or Odessa, Russia needs victory against the West.

flamming_python wrote:What Russia needs is a neutral Ukraine, that won't invite NATO onto its territory, won't block Russian access to Pridnestrovie, and won't push claims on the parts that broke off from it where the people don't want anything to do with it.

On these terms it's possible to come to agreements with many forces in the Ukraine that would be ready to oppose Zelensky if the conditions are right.

Broski wrote:

flamming_python wrote:What Russia needs is a neutral Ukraine, that won't invite NATO onto its territory, won't block Russian access to Pridnestrovie, and won't push claims on the parts that broke off from it where the people don't want anything to do with it.

And how do you suggest Russia achieves that without conquering the whole of Ukraine and turning it into a Russian protectorate, landlocked without Black Sea access and a standing military? Or would you rather sign Minsk 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 respectively?

mnztr wrote:

calripson wrote:

mnztr wrote:

Its going to be on corps and people making over 400K.

400k a year for a couple in states like California or New York is upper middle class. They are already paying about 50% of their income in taxes when you add federal, state, local, and sales tax. More pertinently, most of those people making 400k are producing productive income. That's not the problem. The problem is not income disparity it is wealth disparity: intergenerational wealth measured in hundreds of millions or billions of dollars. They love taxing the slumps making 400k because that just limits their future competition.

Death taxes are also part of the equation, i seriously doubt anyone making 400K is paying 50% tax in the USA. Yes I agree that wealth transfers need to be heavily taxed above a certain threshold.