Russian special military operation in Ukraine #43

franco wrote:PMC Wagner published a detailed report on the KIA fighters and destroyed equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

In total, since March 2022 to May 2023, 72.095 soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have been eliminated by Wagner. (Row 30.)

https://twitter.com/Trollstoy88/status/1662469874260627457/photo/1

309 tanks and 566 BMP of all sorts.

I was expecting more tanks destroyed to be honest. But that's still a lot.

Roughly the size of the British Army.

British army is pathetic.

Russian Defence Ministry: https://eng.mil.ru/en/special_operation/news/more.htm?id=12468631@egNews

Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation (27 May 2023)

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation.

In Kupyansk direction, Ground-Attack and Army aviation and artillery of the Zapad Group of Forces have engaged the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine close to Masyutovka, Timkovka, Krasnoye Pervoye, and Novomlynsk (Kharkov region). ?? One sabotage and reconnaissance group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has been disabled close to Novosyolovskoye (Lugansk People's Republic).

More than 45 Ukrainian servicemen, two armoured fighting vehicles, four motor vehicles, one Msta-B howitzer, and a U.S.-made AN/TPQ-36 counter-battery radar station have been destroyed during the day. An ammunition depot of the 92nd Mechanised Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces has been hit close to Stelmakhovka (Lugansk People's Republic).

In Krasny Liman direction, Operational-Tactical Aviation and artillery of the Tsentr Group of Forces engaged the units of the enemy close to Yampolovka, Serebryanka (Donetsk People's Republic), and Chervonaya Dibrova (Lugansk People's Republic). Up to 60 Ukrainian troops, three armoured fighting vehicles, three motor vehicles, two D-30 howitzers, and one Gvozdika self-propelled artillery unit have been eliminated in this direction during the day.

In Donetsk direction, Operational-Tactical and Army aviation, units, and artillery of the Yug Group of Forces have eliminated more than 260 Ukrainian troops, two armoured fighting vehicles, five motor vehicles, one Gvozdika self-propelled artillery system, and two D-30 howitzers during the day. An ammunition depot of the 110th Mechanised Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces has been hit close to Avdeevka (Donetsk People's Republic).

In South Donetsk and Zaporozhye directions, aviation and artillery of the Vostok Group of Forces inflicted a fire damage on AFU units close Nvomikhailovka (Donetsk People's Republic), and Malaya Tokmachka, Marfopol, and Komsomolskoye (Zaporozhye region).

The enemy losses in these directions amounted to up to 120 Ukrainian troops, one infantry fighting vehicle, one armoured fighting vehicle, two motor vehicles, one Polish-made Krab two Akatsiya and Gvozdika self-propelled howitzers, one D-30 howitzer, and one U.S.-made AN/TPQ-37 counter mortar radar.

In addition, two ammunition depots of the 79th Air Assault Brigade and 128th Mountain Assault Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces have been hit close to Novomikhailovka (Donetsk People's Republic) and Stepovoye (Zaporozhye region).

In Kherson direction, Russian troops have neutralised up to 10 Ukrainian troops, three motor vehicles, D-30 howitzer, and two Gvozdika self-propelled howitzers during the day.

Operational-Tactical and Army aviation, and artillery of the Russian Group of Forces have engaged 82 AFU artillery units, manpower, and hardware in 96 areas during the day. ?? Command posts of the 24th and 54th mechanised brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were eliminated close to Verkhnekamenskoye and Toretsk (Donetsk People's Republic).

Air defence forces have shot downt two Storm Shadow, 19 HIMARS MLRS projectiles, and two HARM anti-radiation missile during the day.

In addition, 12 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles were destroyed in the areas of Zatishnoye,Kremennaya, and Chernopopovka (Lugansk People's Republic), Kremenets, Yasnoye (Donetsk People's Republic), Pologi, and Removka (Zaporozhye region).

In total, 429 airplanes and 235 helicopters, 4,353 unmanned aerial vehicles, 424 air defence missile systems, 9,310 tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles, 1,100 combat vehicles equipped with MLRS, 4,919 field artillery cannons and mortars, as well as 10,481 units of special military equipment have been destroyed during the special military operation.

PhSt wrote:

You are just concerned because my proposals will be very costly to your NATzO overlords. My other proposal for the MoD to track down NATzO shills/ propagandists like yourself for extrajudicial executions also still stands.

The impotent rage is getting more obvious with every key stroke. Imagine your local Target 5 ft tall Pinoy mall janitor in his shared apartment - cumstained brown incelhands viciously ramming the keyboard trying to get the baddie internet guy not to say baddie things about Cucktin. That's PhSt for ya. From 'second military' in the world to global laughing stoke in the timespan of a little over a year - with added mental issues of their third world loser-in-life supporters to boot.

I'll say it again. Drop the fake projected tough guy bravado. One and a half year of crossed red lines left Russia and specifically the Kremlin exposed for what it is: weak and non-respected.

sundoesntrise wrote:

The impotent rage is getting more obvious with every key stroke. Imagine your local Target 5 ft tall Pinoy mall janitor in his shared apartment - cumstained brown incelhands viciously ramming the keyboard trying to get the baddie internet guy not to say baddie things about Cucktin. That's PhSt for ya. From 'second military' in the world to global laughing stoke in the timespan of a little over a year - with added mental issues of their third world loser-in-life supporters to boot.

I'll say it again. Drop the fake projected tough guy bravado. One and a half year of crossed red lines left Russia and specifically the Kremlin exposed for what it is: weak and non-respected.

Lol. Russia does not care about the reputation among the shrill incels.
You can shout loudly and stamp our feet, as well as write angry accusations, but this will not change your essence, which you have repeatedly demonstrated.
Instead of being immature pussies, Russia is quietly and methodically grinding NATO resources. The US is already on the verge of collapse of its role as the world hegemon (in fact, they are already dead here, it just hasn't reached people like you yet).
Welcome to the new multipolar world, bitches. Your masters will have no power here. Enjoy it.

flamming_python wrote:

dionis wrote:It's not hyperbole. If this "attrition" strategy is really what they are going for and it continues at roughly the current rate, even if they kill 200k Ukrainian soldiers per year (a highball in Russia's favor somewhat), Ukraine easily has 2M-5M men to spare. That's 10-25 years.

If the war doesn't expand, then it will last a maximum of another 2-3 years. The American civil war is a good reference. Even on artificial NATO life-support and with unlimited support from them - attrition of manpower and scorched earth (conducted by the Ukrainians themselves here) will eventually take their toll. The will to fight will evaporate.

Had the Confederacy received support from a major European power like Britain or France, they would have won the U.S. Civil War. Ukraine is receiving support from literally the entire Western world. The industrial base of Europe, Japan, South Korea, Canada and the US can supply Ukraine with weapons for as long as it takes.

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Sweden is a peaceful nation that supports disarmament. That's why we decided to reduce our armoured forces. A large part of them have now left Sweden for a future somewhere else. Now passing through Germany on their way eastwards. Attention; some sarcasm might appear in this tweet.
I really think the CV9040s look very good, maybe the best looking IFV of them all. But IMHO they would look even better on swedish soil defending Sweden


@Suriyakmaps
Ukrainian-Russian war. Day 457:
Situation at Kharkov front: During the last 36 hours #RussianArmy advanced south and west of Masyutivka/Масютівка village thus securing the eastern shore of Oskil river in this area.


@Suriyakmaps
Ukrainian-Russian war. Day 457:
Situation north of Bakhmut: During the last three days #UkrainianArmy recaptured new areas north of Orikhovo-Vasylivka/Оріхово-Василівка town. In addition, map changes were made there showing a bigger no-man's land.


@Spriter99880

I suggest that you change NATzO to NAZI Pact or NATO/NAZI pact because it will be more effective and it will also annoy the members of the forum and the Nazi lover

But that is the problem... you would be bothered by being called a Nazi or a commie... but would he?

Many in the west hate their former communist allies more than they hate their former nazi enemies, because for the history of the Cold War the nazis were their new friends fighting against the commies, despite the fact that they were able to make friends with the Chinese who remained commies which just shows it was a cold war against Russia and Russians and really had nothing at all to do with politics... the commies were helping countries around the world get rid of colonialism... Cuba, Vietnam, Korea...

Some older Latinos however do refuse to learn English and just stick to their native tongue also, so we accommodate that.

Shouldn't English speaking Americans learn the native tongue themselves?

If they are not prepared to learn the local language why should others learn their language?

Speaking of Latinos

Hahaha... the Miami herald?

Guessing this is a smear campaign to demonise one group while trying to motivate another group to join the other side and help Kiev... they really are running out of bodies and will take them from anywhere.

Or it may also be acting as a “surrogate” in areas like military training, “where Russia does not currently have capacity due to its ongoing invasion of Ukraine.”

Hahaha... they are out of ammo and missiles and modern weapons so why would they have the training facilities capacity to cope... well the fact that they paid Germany to build massive digital army training systems which most HATO countries could only dream of and then completed them on their own when the Germans pulled out because of sanctions and then built several more for themselves in their other military districts so they can train their troops properly... something anyone would have noticed in the performance of the Russian military if they had really taken a good look.

There’s a third scenario too, he added: that Belarus may be a “’coordinating site’ where Cubans and others can meet with Russians and possibly other actors.”

Maybe the Cubans are being trained so they can reestablish ties with African countries they used to work with to help them overcome colonial influences... maybe it is not just Ukraine but all of US operations across Africa they are going to **** with you over (America...).

A “very remote possibility” is that “the Russians want to let the Cuban military be at the table when they train their Belarusian colleagues up on the use of tactical nuclear weapons,” Ellis said. On Thursday, Belarus ruler Alexander Lukashenko said that Russia had already begun moving tactical nuclear warheads for storage in his country and hinted they could already be on Belarusian territory.

The optics do not bode well for Cuba, a European diplomat said.

Would make perfect sense to train Cubans to operate tactical nuclear weapons... the US has nukes in Europe... why can't Russia have nukes in the Americas?

So far, there are no public indications that the Cuban government is militarily involved in the conflict. But the news about its nationals risking death to gain Russian citizenship also speaks of the desperate situation on the island, where almost 300,000 people left last year to come to the United States to flee repression and poverty.

To find repression and poverty in the US no doubt... you can tell who is writing this article... it is as pro US as possible... Russia is the enemy and if we didn't have sanctions and were not arming Kiev they would already have nukes in Cuba because they would think we were weak... except it is the other way round... it is US aggression that will result in nukes in Cuba and then perhaps they will come to the table and create some secret agreement kept secret so the US can save face again and declare victory again...

America has brought a lot of good to humanity, it's the neo-dickhead elite in Washington that's the problem, them and their army of bankers and lobbyists.

The problem is that they claim to bring peace and democracy to the world, yet no other country on the planet does not do more to undermine both things like the US does.

They will destroy a country and cast the population into poverty or war just to make a profit for some faceless company, and apparent control of that region.

The American people I know I actually mostly like, but their governments are evil.

I think anything that Prigozhin says is cleared by Putin.

Yes, all my comments on the internet are also vetted personally by Putin... he often suggests changes.... in between rigging elections around the world and of course being god.  

Putin is using him to try an reveal the loyalties of the Russian elite.

Putin wont need such rants from anyone to learn such things.... he does have the FSB and other organisations to see where the money is coming from and where it is going and that says more than comments on social media ever could.

One thing is for sure, as long as he remains a major part of Wagner, no one will dare touch him without Putins say so. Anyone that kills or tries to kill Prigozhin is dead meat.

People wanting to kill him would form a queue a mile long... he runs  a military contract company... enemies would include other companies in the same business, and anyone they have every been used to deal with anywhere in the world... the list would be enormous.

I am sure if someone can manage for security to protect himself he should be fine.

exactly my thoughts. Putin would neither talk to him not award Wagner soldiers with medals (it was done on his personal order according to the Russian press) or MOD/MFA grant Wagner contracts around the world.

Just because the EU are a bunch of does not make airbornewolf a dick... I don't think Putin has anything but respect and gratitude towards the soldiers of Wagner... the rich guy who owns it and spouts off bullshit on social media he might have less time for but Putin is not one to censor free speech and I suspect Wagner will keep getting jobs as long as it keeps completing jobs effectively and efficiently.

309 tanks and 566 BMP of all sorts.

I was expecting more tanks destroyed to be honest. But that's still a lot.

Wagner are light infantry and would not be sent to stop an armoured charge... mostly urban fighting where the odd tank or BMP would be used for fire support or observation etc etc.

What actually surprises me is the small number of drones they shot down... 282... maybe they only count big ones and not tiny commercial types for recon.

See how much artillery they dealt with... impressive.

British army is pathetic.

It is, but every time they are used when they come home their funding gets slashed and then the next time they are needed it all gets harder and again when they come home it is an obvious place for the bean counters to save money.

One and a half year of crossed red lines left Russia and specifically the Kremlin exposed for what it is: weak and non-respected.

One and a half years of crossed red lines has led to well over 200K red lines on the battlefield and that is just Orc dead... not that Kiev or Washington or London or Paris care about that... but that is the nature of the west... collateral damage... cannon fodder... in this case the latter is particularly apt.

Lol. Russia does not care about the reputation among the shrill incels.

Russias reputation in the west has never been worse, you can say anything you like about them with no consequences, but in the rest of the world it seems to be the opposite as the rest of the world realises that Russia has not collapsed and begged to be allowed to be a foot stool for the west and is working with other BRICS countries to create an alternative for the rest of the world that does not involve getting assimilated by the borg.... sorry the west... the future has suddenly gotten a lot brighter.

Had the Confederacy received support from a major European power like Britain or France, they would have won the U.S. Civil War. Ukraine is receiving support from literally the entire Western world. The industrial base of Europe, Japan, South Korea, Canada and the US can supply Ukraine with weapons for as long as it takes.

They have had that support for a year already and apart from the tiny force the Russians sent in initially they have added a group of 300K who are being trained and prepared for further operations, but it appears to be a very one sided conflict where uber weapon after uber weapon which will bring Moscow to its knees and lead to Putin being overthrown and the Russian economy collapsing, but the figures seem to show something different.

Dead Orcs piling up on the battlefield... and Ukrainians are starting to notice that BTW, and a slow retreat by these super forces back by the entire world... well the rich colonial powers that have been raping the world for centuries and want to continue to do so but are not really getting the full support of their victims... the other 85 odd percent of the worlds population.

US will continue to keep this charade going for as long as possible. And since they can print to infinity, they will keep this going. And there will be plenty of people from around the world (especially corrupt hellholes) who will see this as a method to make money on transfer of weapons.

The only reason the US can continue to print new money is because of demand for the US dollar as an international currency... as countries stop trading in US dollars the inflation the US used to export to other countries will come home and when the value of their money collapses their debts are unlikely to covered by payments in US dollars because the US dollar will not be worth much and the people they have their debts with might start demanding payment in gold and then when they can't pay their economy will collapse and no one will trade with them because they have nothing to pay with except useless monopoly money.

Never really thought of it before but the name of an economic game is called monopoly where you win by bankrupting everyone else... is there a better description for the world the US has created for itself... and an obvious reason the rest of the world wants a new game where countries don't try to crush and dominate other countries because that is what they do.

Now I am certain the Russians are fully aware of this. And while the US industrial base isn't what the Russians or the Chinese are, they will improve it, pump out more weapons, and it will just be problematic for Russia. So at this point, Russia will have to end this conflict someway or somehow. I assume it will just end when Russia decides it gets the territory it wants and then agrees to freezing the conflict.

This is Bidens war, he is driving it... and to run against Biden most other politicians will offer to stop the war and the enormous waste of money they are pouring into Kiev... a failed corrupt state that would not last a week without foreign money propping them up.

latest est of shell production I have heard is 200k/m for Russia. Seems low. Opinions?

Source... sounds rather low to me... what calibres?

Sweden is a peaceful nation that supports disarmament.

They got the propaganda lies down pat... almost like they are already a member and the US State department is writing their speeches...

calripson wrote:

Had the Confederacy received support from a major European power like Britain or France, they would have won the U.S. Civil War. Ukraine is receiving support from literally the entire Western world. The industrial base of Europe, Japan, South Korea, Canada and the US can supply Ukraine with weapons for as long as it takes.

The analogy would have been correct had Russia been facing the Western military industrial base alone. The Kremlin facing the combined and primarily focused West in Ukraine would have been indeed a truly unbearable prospect for Russia.

Unfortunately for the Westoids, their aim was never a long fight with the Russian Federation but a conflict with their peer competitor that is China, therefore the Russian SMO is capitalizing on the G7's overstretched ambitions. The SMO is pretty much acting as an hindrance to Westoid plans in the Pacific and effectively placing a hampering drain of NATO arsenal with this "unwinnable war" that is bringing no palpable positive effects on economic growth, even if NATO countries would move into war production mode, itself a perilous move in the political field as well.

No wonder NATO needs to end this as quickly as possible with those uselessly brazen counteroffensives.

Podlodka77 wrote:What good has the USA brought to the world ? Coca-Cola ? GARBAGE...!  McDonalds ? GARBAGE...! Starbucks... ? What the **** do Americans know about coffee...

USSR Shvetsov M-25 is a licensed version of American Wright R-1820 Cyclone, for your reference.

The suspension system used in T-34 and BT-xx was developed from the ideas of an American inventor.

There are many more examples if you dig deep enough.

It is true that USA and other Western imperialists have been out-sourcing their production line or hiring immigrants to exploit cheap labour and to bloodsuck the natural resources from other nations (i.e. neo-colonialism). But it is also true that many people in America have been contributing to the history and society by their inventions and works, although these are mainly tailored to serve the bussiness affair of the 1% rich with profit over people. Many sweatshops and factories manned by USA workers still have been working to produce goods and services for humankind, although again they are tailored to serve the profit of capital rather than the true needs of labourers (i.e the issue of capitalist overproduction).

I mean no offense but it is critcal for you to distinguish the capitalist regime in USA from the USA people in general, especially the USA workers who are also being exploited and oppressed by the Wall Street oligarchs like people in other nations. Failing to do so will lead to the racist and proto-fascist viewpoints, essentialy lowering your status to the level of the Maidan puppet regime.

Not following the war that much but is this true that the Patriot missile system has successfully intercepted Russian hypersonic cruise missiles?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-has-squeezed-out-of-the-us-patriot-missile-system-a-capability-that-the-pentagon-did-not-think-possible-military-analyst-says/ar-AA1bLLIw?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=c863069aec0542c19345e25eeffad542&ei=11

More like Patriot battery defeated by drones and missiles while hypersonic missiles continue to hit targets with impunity.

Western media reporting Orc success and Russian failure not really following the actual war either...

Lapain wrote:
The analogy would have been correct had Russia been facing the Western military industrial base alone. The Kremlin facing the combined and primarily focused West in Ukraine would have been indeed a truly unbearable prospect for Russia.
Unfortunately for the Westoids, their aim was never a long fight with the Russian Federation but a conflict with their peer competitor that is China, therefore the Russian SMO is capitalizing on the G7's overstretched ambitions. The SMO is pretty much acting as an hindrance to Westoid plans in the Pacific and effectively placing a hampering drain of NATO arsenal with this "unwinnable war" that is bringing no palpable positive effects on economic growth, even if NATO countries would move into war production mode, itself a perilous move in the political field as well.
No wonder NATO needs to end this as quickly as possible with those uselessly brazen counteroffensives.  

Money talks folks.
The case is a fact, that "collective west" has already lost a main war - economic one.
They are only struggling to admit that yet, but the thing is clear.
It is beacuse the things are happening so endemic and in the background, that most of the people hardly realizes that.
And have an issue with extracting some determinants, so obviously those are.
The biggest online selling platform is Aliexpress.
Boots and AI support they provide to sellers allow them to enlist offerings on competitive platforms.
Take any random but popular offer there, and take a moment to read the ratings.
Hell, you don't even need to read that - every single one is assisted with a small flag of a country where it has been written.
You have all bloody world there. Africa, South/Mid America, European Union, Pacific basin.

For billions of people, purchasing something in China is a first choice where it comes to online market.

Changes we can see in the Aliexpress offerings that happened in the last decade is mindblowing.
And I am not talking about some fancy interface or something, but serious changes.

For a while now, Europe is being supplied not by sea, but trains. That is getting perfectly clear if we watch the logistics - most of the offerings are already provided with a guaranteed 14 days delivery.
In some cases, 7 days delivery is not something unusual - you know why?
Because the goods are being supplied not from China, but from Europe based warehouses made to support Aliexpress trade.

Lurke into Aliexpress. If you haven't yet, it will blow you out of your shoes. It is a variety of goods you can source there. The spread of quality, when you can have a sneakers for $10, and high end, luxury custom tailored shoes made from the most expensive Italian leather grain.
A great indicator of the condition of an economy, is the number of creative things it supplies.
Back in the 80s/90s, people watched the TV sell channels, amazed by the variety of "made in the USA" things. A glue that glued everything. A magic wipe, that wiped everything with only water. An fantastic, patented on 5 continents, kitchen tool that makes wonders.

Now, that's gone.

What we have is an enormous supply of such bizarre things but from China.

That has happened in a decade.

In a decade, I have transferred half of my company money into juans.
Back in 2016, a train was not an alternative for big-size deliveries. Now it is a first choice, and the cost of delivery actually equaled.
It is only me.
But there are millions like me.

Sure you can't supply by train to South America.  All of Asia, all of Middle East. For Africa - it is only a matter of political decision.

Things are changing, and G7 became a relic.

It reminded me of some comedy show played in Australia. It was about pouring billions of dollars in atomic submarine fleet, and made in parliamentary commission style.
Why do we need atomic sub fleet?
To secure our sea trade lanes!
From whom?
From our enemies wanting to disturb our trade!
And who is our enemy who threats those?
China is!
And who is our biggest trade partner?
China is!
So we are to spend billions, to secure our sea routes, against a country, that is our main trade partner?
Yes!

andalusia wrote:Not following the war that much but is this true that the Patriot missile system has successfully intercepted Russian hypersonic cruise missiles?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-has-squeezed-out-of-the-us-patriot-missile-system-a-capability-that-the-pentagon-did-not-think-possible-military-analyst-says/ar-AA1bLLIw?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=c863069aec0542c19345e25eeffad542&ei=11

That's like asking if its true that a Ukrainian pensioner with his hunting rifle shot down an su 34. Which was also reported by MSN news. Try and use some common sense.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11181503/Ukrainian-pensioner-shoots-74million-Russian-Su-34-jet-RIFLE-awarded-medal.html

The Russians still lead the SMO and Europe is emptying its warehouses like the Swedes with their IFVs that will be delivered to Ukroshitstan.
I really wonder what would happen if the Russians declared war.
With the exception of Poland, Greece and Turkey, which is a Eurasian country, Europe is dead as far as the military is concerned.
All that will remain in the EU after this conflict are planes and ships, as well as a few dozen submarines. And that will remain ONLY if the conflict from Ukroshitstan does not spread.

Or drones being take down with a jar of tomatoes

famschopman wrote:Or drones being take down with a jar of tomatoes

Back in 1914, Austrohungariann propaganda wrote about the chopped-off head of a soldier, that was still singing the anthem while rolling downhill.
They simply have the same manuals provided back there

Hole wrote:
Roughly the size of the British Army.

Only if you count a cannon fodder.
It is about double the number of tanks APCs, and tenfold of artillery.