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Log indisagreement space exploration is also survival the sun gets 10% brighter every 1 billion years, Got to move farther away. Also you showcase yourself as the most advanced country in the world by having a grand achievement like landing on Mars.
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Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #4
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1 billion years ago the only life on this planet was primitive pre-Cambrian crustaceans and armoured worms scavenging in the shallow coastal waters of Pangea. When the sun finally starts to burn helium and enter her "red giant" phase (ie in about 5 billion years), we ain't gonna be around. Even if "humanity" manages to survive in some form, we will be unrecognizable and utterly unlike our current forms, and we'll likely have exhausted the planets supply on non-renewable resources and energy.
Humans ain't going anywhere. We were born on this 3rd rock, and we'll die here too. Its probably for the best, as considering how we have collectively fucked up this planet, I'd hate to think that our species of barely evolved primates could someday be unleased on the wider galaxy...
BTW Mars is dead and useless. It may be possible from a cost/benefit POV to establish a limited toe-hold on that desolate crap-hole of a desiccated, frozen and essentially airless world (eg research base/s), but it will never be a 2nd home for humanity. There is more to life than having to invest 100% of ones energies in struggling to survive in a hostile environment with severely limited resources useful to sustain life. Oh, and forget about terraforming, its just a plotline in Sci-Fi novels. We can't manage to reduce our carbon footprint on this planet (where CO2 is just a trace gas), yet somehow we are going to massively alter the global environment of an entire planet???
Humans ain't going anywhere. We were born on this 3rd rock, and we'll die here too. Its probably for the best, as considering how we have collectively fucked up this planet, I'd hate to think that our species of barely evolved primates could someday be unleased on the wider galaxy...
BTW Mars is dead and useless. It may be possible from a cost/benefit POV to establish a limited toe-hold on that desolate crap-hole of a desiccated, frozen and essentially airless world (eg research base/s), but it will never be a 2nd home for humanity. There is more to life than having to invest 100% of ones energies in struggling to survive in a hostile environment with severely limited resources useful to sustain life. Oh, and forget about terraforming, its just a plotline in Sci-Fi novels. We can't manage to reduce our carbon footprint on this planet (where CO2 is just a trace gas), yet somehow we are going to massively alter the global environment of an entire planet???
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I fully appreciate what you are saying... humans are terribly wasteful... but then we have been terribly spoilt.
Actually trying to create habitations on Mars or the moons of other planets might be good for us as a species so we can see first hand what we have here with earth.
Learning to not throw stuff away, to reuse it... to design stuff so that it can be used for other things after its primary use had been effected... imagine buying meat from the supermarket in a special plastic container that you can use to build a shed... weather proof and fire retardant... you could fill each section with unproductive dirt or loose gravel and rocks of no other value to you... with it being able to lock together you can stack it for transport and sale, and in your fridge, and when you empty it you have what is essentially a building block that could build a wall or small building or storage area on your property... you could recess them into the ground and use them to make an all weather path... with them being transparent you could use them for wind protection without making your back yard dark and gloomy.
We don't need to go to the level of drinking our own wee, but stop polluting and work to find new ways of dealing with rubbish we can't recycle.
There was a report on Technology Update on Russia Today that showed a furnace system for very high temperature destruction of rubbish, but I mean very high temperature and they actually used an electrical current to "process" the waste coming out the back end where carbon was captured and turned into a solid and trace metals could be separated and localised for reuse in rather pure forms... but making new plastic packaging is cheaper than dealing with old rubbish.
The furnace would drive turbines and generate the electricity it needed to process the rubbish and have excess electricity to supply the local grid with power.
It could deal with complex plastics and render them down to their core elements...
A TV programme I really miss BTW.
Perhaps even a very high temperature nuclear furnace could do double work destroying conventional rubbish dumped in land fills...
Together with reducing rubbish creation in the first place these are steps we are going to have to take at some stage and such processing would stop all sorts of chemicals in land fills entering the water table and entering the food chain.
Actually trying to create habitations on Mars or the moons of other planets might be good for us as a species so we can see first hand what we have here with earth.
Learning to not throw stuff away, to reuse it... to design stuff so that it can be used for other things after its primary use had been effected... imagine buying meat from the supermarket in a special plastic container that you can use to build a shed... weather proof and fire retardant... you could fill each section with unproductive dirt or loose gravel and rocks of no other value to you... with it being able to lock together you can stack it for transport and sale, and in your fridge, and when you empty it you have what is essentially a building block that could build a wall or small building or storage area on your property... you could recess them into the ground and use them to make an all weather path... with them being transparent you could use them for wind protection without making your back yard dark and gloomy.
We don't need to go to the level of drinking our own wee, but stop polluting and work to find new ways of dealing with rubbish we can't recycle.
There was a report on Technology Update on Russia Today that showed a furnace system for very high temperature destruction of rubbish, but I mean very high temperature and they actually used an electrical current to "process" the waste coming out the back end where carbon was captured and turned into a solid and trace metals could be separated and localised for reuse in rather pure forms... but making new plastic packaging is cheaper than dealing with old rubbish.
The furnace would drive turbines and generate the electricity it needed to process the rubbish and have excess electricity to supply the local grid with power.
It could deal with complex plastics and render them down to their core elements...
A TV programme I really miss BTW.
Perhaps even a very high temperature nuclear furnace could do double work destroying conventional rubbish dumped in land fills...
Together with reducing rubbish creation in the first place these are steps we are going to have to take at some stage and such processing would stop all sorts of chemicals in land fills entering the water table and entering the food chain.
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The module ship "Progress M-UM" has passed vacuum tests
https://www.energia.ru/ru/news/news-2021/news_10-28_1.html
Lots of good piccies
At the Baikonur cosmodrome, leak testing of the Progress M-UM transport cargo module (TGKM) with the Prichal nodal module (UM) in the vacuum chamber of the assembly and testing building of site 254 was completed.
In accordance with the work schedule, the specialists of RSC Energia and the Yuzhny compressor center performed a cycle of pneumatic vacuum tests of the Progress M-UM TGCM, which had been going on since October 26. The automated control of the high requirements for the tightness of the compartments and on-board systems of the ship in ground conditions passed without comment. Today TGKM Progress M-UM was transported back to the technical complex and installed in the dynamic stand for further pre-flight preparation.
Universal nodal module "Prichal" designed and manufactured by RSC Energia im. S.P. Korolev is intended to expand the technical and operational capabilities of the ISS Russian Segment. The launch of the Prichal UM as part of the Progress M-UM TGKM using the Soyuz-2.1b launch vehicle is planned for November 2021.
https://www.energia.ru/ru/news/news-2021/news_10-28_1.html
Lots of good piccies
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Advanced physics technology and concepts for space travel
thegopnik Sun Oct 31, 2021 2:35 am
https://tass.com/science/1354665
Russian scientists find a way to produce safe nuclear fuel for hydrogen synthesis
Based on the results of several hundred experiments, scientists have identified the most promising method which allows to obtain a relatively inexpensive but effective and combustible fuel
TOMSK, October 27. /TASS/. Scientists at Tomsk Polytechnic University (TPU) have found a way to synthesize fuel oxide compositions for high-temperature gas-cooled reactors, making them safe in case of an accident and synthesizing hydrogen left in them, associate professor of the Nuclear Fuel Cycle Department at TPU's Nuclear Engineering School Alexander Karengin told TASS on the sidelines of the "Hydrogen. Technologies. The Future" conference.
"The development of hydrogen technology is coming to the forefront now. One of the main methods of its production is water electrolysis and steam conversion of methane. However, steam conversion requires huge energy inputs with half of the methane being burned to reach operating temperatures. High-temperature gas-cooled reactors could be the way out. But the nuclear fuel that is currently in use is not suitable for that," Karengin said.
TPU scientists used a grant from the Russian Science Foundation to solve the problem of finding fuel mixtures with the required characteristics. Based on the results of several hundred experiments, they selected the most promising method of fuel creation - one-stage plasma-chemical synthesis in the air plasma flow of fuel oxide compositions from dispersed water-organic nitrate solutions that include an organic component.
It allows fuel synthesis using a plasma flow that hits uranium in a special nitride solution with the addition of organics, particularly alcohol, and metals used as a matrix (e.g., magnesium). This method makes it possible to obtain a relatively inexpensive, but at the same time effective and combustible fuel, which will create the desired temperature in the fuel element without the risk of destruction. Thus, it will be possible to synthesize hydrogen with nuclear reactors.
Need for research
The scientist explained that in a high-temperature reactor with a gas cooling system, a methane-based gas mixture could be used to cool the fuel elements. The methane would be converted to much needed hydrogen under the influence of high temperature. However, a significant portion of nuclear power plants use ceramic pellets with uranium dioxide nuclear fuel or dispersed thorium-uranium fuel. During reactor operation, these fuel elements (fuel pellets) are heated, but due to their structure they do not conduct the temperature well - it reaches the required 1,250 degrees Celsius for fusion inside the pellet, while on the surface it’s only about 400 degrees. If you increase the temperature, the fuel cells will simply melt, so they constantly need to be cooled.
Hydrogen is considered one of the most promising fuels, which, in addition to being highly efficient, is not harmful to the environment. The International Hydrogen Council estimates that by 2050 hydrogen will account for 18% of the world's total energy demand.
https://tass.com/science/1355171
Russia’s state-of-the-art Teledroid robot can operate inside and outside space station
The experiment for delivering the Teledroid robot into orbit is planned for 2024
DUBAI, October 28. /TASS/. Russia’s cutting-edge Teledroid anthropomorphic robot will be able to operate both inside and outside the International Space Station (ISS), a spokesman for the Cosmonaut Training Center told TASS on the sidelines of the International Astronautical Congress on Thursday.
"We conducted our first test during the ‘Tester’ space experiment when the Fedor robot was used and now we will create a special-purpose robot that will operate in orbit both inside and outside the station," the spokesman said, responding to a question about where the Teledroid robot would operate.
As reported earlier, the experiment for delivering the Teledroid robot into orbit is planned for 2024. The press office of the Android Technics Research and Production Association reported in May that the conceptual design of the Teledroid robot for outer space was due to be finally approved in 2022-2023.
The 72nd International Astronautical Congress is running at the Dubai World Trade Center under the aegis of the International Astronautical Federation on October 25-29. The congress has brought together the heads of space agencies from different countries, space industry representatives, equipment producers and scientists specializing in space-related problems. Specialists are demonstrating their achievements and discussing plans of future space exploration missions.
Russian scientists find a way to produce safe nuclear fuel for hydrogen synthesis
Based on the results of several hundred experiments, scientists have identified the most promising method which allows to obtain a relatively inexpensive but effective and combustible fuel
TOMSK, October 27. /TASS/. Scientists at Tomsk Polytechnic University (TPU) have found a way to synthesize fuel oxide compositions for high-temperature gas-cooled reactors, making them safe in case of an accident and synthesizing hydrogen left in them, associate professor of the Nuclear Fuel Cycle Department at TPU's Nuclear Engineering School Alexander Karengin told TASS on the sidelines of the "Hydrogen. Technologies. The Future" conference.
"The development of hydrogen technology is coming to the forefront now. One of the main methods of its production is water electrolysis and steam conversion of methane. However, steam conversion requires huge energy inputs with half of the methane being burned to reach operating temperatures. High-temperature gas-cooled reactors could be the way out. But the nuclear fuel that is currently in use is not suitable for that," Karengin said.
TPU scientists used a grant from the Russian Science Foundation to solve the problem of finding fuel mixtures with the required characteristics. Based on the results of several hundred experiments, they selected the most promising method of fuel creation - one-stage plasma-chemical synthesis in the air plasma flow of fuel oxide compositions from dispersed water-organic nitrate solutions that include an organic component.
It allows fuel synthesis using a plasma flow that hits uranium in a special nitride solution with the addition of organics, particularly alcohol, and metals used as a matrix (e.g., magnesium). This method makes it possible to obtain a relatively inexpensive, but at the same time effective and combustible fuel, which will create the desired temperature in the fuel element without the risk of destruction. Thus, it will be possible to synthesize hydrogen with nuclear reactors.
Need for research
The scientist explained that in a high-temperature reactor with a gas cooling system, a methane-based gas mixture could be used to cool the fuel elements. The methane would be converted to much needed hydrogen under the influence of high temperature. However, a significant portion of nuclear power plants use ceramic pellets with uranium dioxide nuclear fuel or dispersed thorium-uranium fuel. During reactor operation, these fuel elements (fuel pellets) are heated, but due to their structure they do not conduct the temperature well - it reaches the required 1,250 degrees Celsius for fusion inside the pellet, while on the surface it’s only about 400 degrees. If you increase the temperature, the fuel cells will simply melt, so they constantly need to be cooled.
Hydrogen is considered one of the most promising fuels, which, in addition to being highly efficient, is not harmful to the environment. The International Hydrogen Council estimates that by 2050 hydrogen will account for 18% of the world's total energy demand.
https://tass.com/science/1355171
Russia’s state-of-the-art Teledroid robot can operate inside and outside space station
The experiment for delivering the Teledroid robot into orbit is planned for 2024
DUBAI, October 28. /TASS/. Russia’s cutting-edge Teledroid anthropomorphic robot will be able to operate both inside and outside the International Space Station (ISS), a spokesman for the Cosmonaut Training Center told TASS on the sidelines of the International Astronautical Congress on Thursday.
"We conducted our first test during the ‘Tester’ space experiment when the Fedor robot was used and now we will create a special-purpose robot that will operate in orbit both inside and outside the station," the spokesman said, responding to a question about where the Teledroid robot would operate.
As reported earlier, the experiment for delivering the Teledroid robot into orbit is planned for 2024. The press office of the Android Technics Research and Production Association reported in May that the conceptual design of the Teledroid robot for outer space was due to be finally approved in 2022-2023.
The 72nd International Astronautical Congress is running at the Dubai World Trade Center under the aegis of the International Astronautical Federation on October 25-29. The congress has brought together the heads of space agencies from different countries, space industry representatives, equipment producers and scientists specializing in space-related problems. Specialists are demonstrating their achievements and discussing plans of future space exploration missions.
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might be old space news that is already known but here we are.
https://rg.ru/2021/04/07/reg-urfo/na-urale-razrabotali-proryvnoj-raketnyj-dvigatel.html
In Chelyabinsk, tests of a futuristic liquid rocket engine of low power began.
Scientists call the tested equipment a demonstrator, on its basis they will produce engines with a thrust thousands of times more than those that have already been created.
Photo: RIA Novosti
In Russia, announced the development of a rocket with a carrying capacity of 200 tons
A mixture of oxygen and hydrogen will serve as an ecological fuel for them, notes SUSU Vice-Rector Sergey Vaulin. But most importantly - a breakthrough idea that will allow you to build a fully returnable single-stage rocket "Crown", superior to the Falcon-9 Elon Musk. After all, she lands only one surviving step.
Delivery of goods on the domestic shuttle will be more economical - at least to near-Earth orbits, even to deep space. And even on asteroids, from collision with which scientists are going to protect the Earth - this idea was "prompted" to them in 2013 by a meteorite that exploded over Chelyabinsk. Modern devices, the inventors say, are not very adapted to combat the attack of space wanderers: one traditional upper stage is not able to pave the way for the ship into space. According to the dean of the aerospace faculty Viktor Fedorov, there is such a dependence: the higher modern rockets rise, the larger the diameter of the nozzle should be the engine. This is achieved by changing the steps: worked one - down with her, the second - also away.
The plans are to build a fully returnable rocket superior to Elon Musk's Falcon-9
In "The Crown" everything will be different. 16 small engines should surround the ring around the central body of the power plant in the form of a needle. Facing inward nozzles, they will "blow" on it, and the needle will begin to accelerate the gas flow rolling down it. From the altitude of the rocket will depend only on the "behavior" of this jet jet - it will become tighter pressed against the central body or, conversely, detached from it. But this will not require multi-stage from the rocket itself. This is the peculiarity of the future multi-chamber main engine, resembling a crown in its appearance. Its development is carried out in the Ural Interregional Scientific and Educational Center "Advanced Production Technologies and Materials".
Sounds like detonation engine if gas rolls down to accelerate and its returnable, so the crown is a new rocket? sounds like its my 1st time hearing it here.
https://vpk.name/news/259232_antigravitacii_nashli_rabotu.html
In Russia, a rocket engine has been created, a hundred times more efficient than a liquid engine
In the new National Security Strategy, announced on January 17, 2019 at the Pentagon, Donald Trump bluntly stated: space is a new area of hostilities. Star Wars is reaching a new level. Is Russia ready for them? We discussed this problem with RSC Energia Advisor, Minister of General Engineering of the USSR (1983–1991), Hero of Socialist Labor Oleg Baklanov, Doctor of Technical Sciences, Professor Georgy Kostin, Honored Tester of Space Technology RSC Energia Alexander Kubasov, Head of Kwanton Vladimir Leonov and its Technical Director Sergey Altunin, Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences Dmitry Strebkov, Chief of Armament of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation (1994–2000) Colonel-General Anatoly Sitnov and a member of the expert council of the Duma Defense Committee, Lieutenant-General Mikhail Sautin.
- Oleg Dmitrievich, you led the country's space industry when US President Ronald Reagan began to deploy the SDI program, relying on reusable Shuttles. After the collapse of the USSR, it was closed. Now, it turns out, it is resuscitated?
Oleg Baklanov: Not exactly. Over the past 30 years, fundamentally new knowledge has been accumulated regarding the development of space systems. Fundamental science has penetrated into the nature of gravity and antigravity, the quantized structure of space. This makes it possible to create non-reactive, chemical fuel-free engines for space. NASA, China and Russia are working them.
For a specialist, it is clear: when Trump talks about non-ballistic missiles, we mean primarily non-reactive quantum engines (KvD). The fact is that the traditional LPR on chemical fuel has reached its technical ceiling and its specific thrust force does not exceed 0.7 newtons per kilowatt of power (0.7 N / kW). This limits the capabilities of the launch vehicle on the LPR - it allows you to put into orbit a payload of no more than three to five percent of the launch mass. In this case, there can be no question of any additional maneuvers in orbit. And Star Wars requires universal spacecraft capable of actively maneuvering both in the atmosphere and in orbit. To do this, we need engines on new physical principles (warp engines). And NASA, I think, has real results. By the way, this was partly facilitated by our achievements in the field of quantum engines, the work of which is based on the fundamental theory of Leonov's superunification.
- You were the chairman of the commission for testing the quantum engine of the company "Quanton". The test report is published. What parameters are recorded and what did they show?
- A year ago, I initiated the creation of this commission, understanding the importance of such engines for space. We were interested in the specific thrust force developed by the prototype kvD, and we reliably determined it - 115 N / kW. This is 165 times higher than the best samples of LPR. It turns out that the quantum engine is at least a hundred times more economical. This is a revolutionary achievement in space engine building, when new fundamental knowledge allows you to make a sharp jump in technical parameters.
- Why is the revolutionary achievement not being implemented?
Georgy Kostin: As a former director of the Voronezh Mechanical Plant (VMZ), which produces rocket engines, it is clear to me that in the future the quantum engine will replace the LRD. It is more economical, powered by electrical energy, does not require chemical fuel, and therefore does not embed harmful combustion products of fuel, uselessly heating the atmosphere and space. But there is a purely production problem. Its design is significantly different from the LPR produced at VMZ. To enter the production of VMZ with KvD, I was first proposed to create a hybrid engine KvD + LRD and thereby reduce the launch mass of the launch vehicle by at least three to five times. Electrical energy to power KvD is proposed to receive from the generator installed on one shaft with the pumping unit of the LPR. All calculations and sketch study of the hybrid are available. But we haven't gotten the go-ahead yet.
- Is this the short-sightedness of Roscosmos?
- Roscosmos has a lot of problems. Programs for the decade ahead have been drawn up. The head has already reported that the scientific and production association "Energomash" has completed the assembly of the liquid engine RD-171MV with a thrust of 800 tons. And now we propose to make essentially a new unit consisting of two engines: quantum and LPR. It is not inscribed in any plans. Therefore, now we are at the stage of convincing the leadership of Roscosmos that this work should be started and the sooner the better.
I repeat, the LPR has a specific thrust force of not more than 0.7 N / kW. The only way to reduce fuel consumption can only be a hybrid. Although a powerful quantum engine has yet to be brought to an industrial design. That seems to be the whole reason. As for VMZ, the plant's capabilities are sufficient to perform this work.
- And how does Roscosmos itself treat the quantum engine?
Alexander Kubasov: I was the head of quantum engine testing at Kwanton. We confirmed the previously stated characteristics of the KvD about its high efficiency. Judge for yourself: specialists of the space industry for decades have been struggling to improve the characteristics of lpr by a few percent, and here - a hundred times. He did not believe in this until he personally measured the specific thrust force of the KvD.
" Vladimir Semenovich Leonov today looks like in his time Diesel before the carriage masters, whom he convinced that the cart can move without a horse "
Hundreds of thousands of people work in Roscosmos and its subordinate units, and suddenly a small team from the Bryansk hinterland, without state funding, issues such parameters. By the way, many people do not like it - professional pride plus traditional conservatism are affected. And most importantly - no one understands what creates the thrust of the KvD. After all, we were taught that this in principle can not be, and the reactive method is the only possible way to move in space. We did not study the theory of superunification in the university, it simply did not exist then. Immediately we are talking about a non-reactive way of creating a thrust force, antigravity, quantum gravity, about which we know nothing. Figuratively speaking, presenting his developments to us for expert evaluation, Vladimir Semenovich Leonov today looks like Diesel once looked before the carriage masters, whom he convinced that the cart can move without a horse. And in response I heard: and where are the oglobli, clamp, the hedges.
- What is the principle of operation of the quantum engine?
Vladimir Leonov: First of all, I would like to note that Kwanton has fulfilled its mission: a fundamental theory of superunification has been created, on the basis of which the principle of operation of the quantum engine is based. Successful tests of KvD confirmed the validity of our theory, which justifies new physical principles. The work of KvD is simple and based on the creation of thrust force due to the gradient of spatial energy. We have established that a colossal energy in the form of a global electromagnetic field with a very small discreteness (quantization) has been "spilled" through outer space, about which nothing was previously known. This global field was discovered by me in 1996 as the fifth fundamental force (superpower) in the form of superstrong electromagnetic interaction (CMEA). Its carrier is the quantum of space-time (quanton), the size of which is ten orders of magnitude smaller than the atomic nucleus, but it concentrates energy much larger than nuclear.
The quantum engine is repelled by the global CMEA field due to deformation in the right direction (Einstein curvature) of quantized space-time, creating an artificial gravitational force (thrust). The mass reader may not understand everything, but this is fundamentally new fundamental knowledge.
- The Russian Academy of Sciences is responsible for fundamental research. Why is the RAS silent?
Dmitry Strebkov: I participated in the meeting of the working group of the Defense Committee of the State Duma and supported all the developments of the Kwanton Group. I have known Vladimir Leonov for a long time and have always supported him in working on the theory of superunification, the development of KvD. As, however, and our teacher - General Designer of NPO "Kvant", corresponding member of the Russian Academy of Sciences Nikolai Lidorenko. Leonov swung at the fundamental foundations of physics, and academic science is fundamentally conservative. In addition, not only in the Russian Academy of Sciences, but also in the world there are no other specialists in the theory of superunification. And this is a completely new knowledge in modern physics. But the main confirmation of the operability of this theory is the quantum engine itself, a specific sample. This is better than the conclusions of dozens of academics. In China, tested a quantum microwave engine in orbit. On the website of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Doctor of Physical and Mathematical Sciences, Professor Georgy Malinetsky on behalf of the Academy made a statement: "An impossible engine" from china does not contradict the laws of physics and can work without fuel. " But the Chinese engine has a thrust of several newtons, and Leonov has several thousand newtons. I believe that the test protocol of the quantum engine should be urgently considered in the Department of Energy, Mechanical Engineering, Mechanics and Control Processes of the Russian Academy of Sciences.
- Will we miss the time? And how do the military look at this discovery?
Anatoly Sitnov: My position is unequivocal. Only fundamental knowledge gives impetus to the creation of promising weapons systems based on new physical principles. By revealing the secrets of the nucleus, we were able to create an atomic bomb, a powerful nuclear shield of the country. And now we are lucky that the theory of superunification was created in Russia. For the first time, our science penetrated into the mysteries of universal gravitation, explaining the quantum nature of gravity. This new fundamental knowledge is the basis for the work of the antigravity engine and quantum generators of gravitational waves - grazers. We, the military, are well aware of the importance of new space technologies for defense. Therefore, the issue should be decided at the state level, and not by Kwanton alone. Further work on the engine should be included in state programs, determine the parent organization, for example, RSC Energia, the head design bureaus and the plant (Voronezh). Without this, the issue will not move from the dead point.
Mikhail Sautin: We held hearings on this issue in the working group of the Defense Committee. On the initiative of the First Deputy Chairman of the Military-Industrial Commission under the Government of the Russian Federation, now Deputy Director General of Roscosmos Ivan Kharchenko, a technical task (TK) for a demonstration sample of a quantum engine was developed. The toR was approved by the general designer of the means of launching spacecraft into orbit with the appropriate ground infrastructure Alexander Medvedev and agreed by the director of the Research Institute of Space Systems (NIIKS) Mikhail Makarov.
In connection with the reorganization of Roscosmos, the financing of the work was postponed. But now Dmitry Rogozin gave instructions to begin the development of a quantum engine. As you can see, with some delay, the issue is still beginning to be resolved at the state level. At the same time, we are constantly faced with domestic bureaucracy at the level of the middle level of management, which does not understand the full responsibility of the tasks at hand. Like, since "Kwanton" is a private company, let it solve the problems itself. If elon Musk had been treated this way in the United States, there would have been no breakthrough. And the company "Quanton", without state support, created something that the Americans can not afford.
- As far as I can tell, Kwanton has been working on the engine since 2002. What are the overall prospects?
Sergey Altunin: We do not have such opportunities as the Voronezh Mechanical Plant, but we are ready to work together to create a powerful hybrid engine. So far, we have focused on the development of low-power KvD to ensure the maneuverability of satellites in orbit, and we are also working on the design of the engine for an aerospace drone. However, there is something to worry about. Some time ago, the Russian tracking facilities asPOS OKP of the Astronomical Science Center (ANC) noticed the separation of two devices from a large US satellite. One of them has already made more than four hundred maneuvers. It can be assumed that the Americans are testing in orbit shunting killers of satellites (Killer Satellites). We warned about this danger. If such technologies are implemented, there is a great temptation to disable Russian military satellites and blind our space systems before launching a preemptive nuclear strike.
- What to do next?
Oleg Baklanov: First of all, we need to urgently convene a meeting with the head of Roscosmos and outline a program of action.
In addition, I have sent relevant letters to President Vladimir Putin and the government. We are talking about the formation of a new branch of space engine building. In Soviet times, a decision of the Central Committee and the corresponding government decree would have been urgently adopted on this issue.
Had no idea quantum engines was a thing, definetly going to study up russias space industry on these engines through yandex news.
https://rg.ru/2021/04/07/reg-urfo/na-urale-razrabotali-proryvnoj-raketnyj-dvigatel.html
In Chelyabinsk, tests of a futuristic liquid rocket engine of low power began.
Scientists call the tested equipment a demonstrator, on its basis they will produce engines with a thrust thousands of times more than those that have already been created.
Photo: RIA Novosti
In Russia, announced the development of a rocket with a carrying capacity of 200 tons
A mixture of oxygen and hydrogen will serve as an ecological fuel for them, notes SUSU Vice-Rector Sergey Vaulin. But most importantly - a breakthrough idea that will allow you to build a fully returnable single-stage rocket "Crown", superior to the Falcon-9 Elon Musk. After all, she lands only one surviving step.
Delivery of goods on the domestic shuttle will be more economical - at least to near-Earth orbits, even to deep space. And even on asteroids, from collision with which scientists are going to protect the Earth - this idea was "prompted" to them in 2013 by a meteorite that exploded over Chelyabinsk. Modern devices, the inventors say, are not very adapted to combat the attack of space wanderers: one traditional upper stage is not able to pave the way for the ship into space. According to the dean of the aerospace faculty Viktor Fedorov, there is such a dependence: the higher modern rockets rise, the larger the diameter of the nozzle should be the engine. This is achieved by changing the steps: worked one - down with her, the second - also away.
The plans are to build a fully returnable rocket superior to Elon Musk's Falcon-9
In "The Crown" everything will be different. 16 small engines should surround the ring around the central body of the power plant in the form of a needle. Facing inward nozzles, they will "blow" on it, and the needle will begin to accelerate the gas flow rolling down it. From the altitude of the rocket will depend only on the "behavior" of this jet jet - it will become tighter pressed against the central body or, conversely, detached from it. But this will not require multi-stage from the rocket itself. This is the peculiarity of the future multi-chamber main engine, resembling a crown in its appearance. Its development is carried out in the Ural Interregional Scientific and Educational Center "Advanced Production Technologies and Materials".
Sounds like detonation engine if gas rolls down to accelerate and its returnable, so the crown is a new rocket? sounds like its my 1st time hearing it here.
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In Russia, a rocket engine has been created, a hundred times more efficient than a liquid engine
In the new National Security Strategy, announced on January 17, 2019 at the Pentagon, Donald Trump bluntly stated: space is a new area of hostilities. Star Wars is reaching a new level. Is Russia ready for them? We discussed this problem with RSC Energia Advisor, Minister of General Engineering of the USSR (1983–1991), Hero of Socialist Labor Oleg Baklanov, Doctor of Technical Sciences, Professor Georgy Kostin, Honored Tester of Space Technology RSC Energia Alexander Kubasov, Head of Kwanton Vladimir Leonov and its Technical Director Sergey Altunin, Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences Dmitry Strebkov, Chief of Armament of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation (1994–2000) Colonel-General Anatoly Sitnov and a member of the expert council of the Duma Defense Committee, Lieutenant-General Mikhail Sautin.
- Oleg Dmitrievich, you led the country's space industry when US President Ronald Reagan began to deploy the SDI program, relying on reusable Shuttles. After the collapse of the USSR, it was closed. Now, it turns out, it is resuscitated?
Oleg Baklanov: Not exactly. Over the past 30 years, fundamentally new knowledge has been accumulated regarding the development of space systems. Fundamental science has penetrated into the nature of gravity and antigravity, the quantized structure of space. This makes it possible to create non-reactive, chemical fuel-free engines for space. NASA, China and Russia are working them.
For a specialist, it is clear: when Trump talks about non-ballistic missiles, we mean primarily non-reactive quantum engines (KvD). The fact is that the traditional LPR on chemical fuel has reached its technical ceiling and its specific thrust force does not exceed 0.7 newtons per kilowatt of power (0.7 N / kW). This limits the capabilities of the launch vehicle on the LPR - it allows you to put into orbit a payload of no more than three to five percent of the launch mass. In this case, there can be no question of any additional maneuvers in orbit. And Star Wars requires universal spacecraft capable of actively maneuvering both in the atmosphere and in orbit. To do this, we need engines on new physical principles (warp engines). And NASA, I think, has real results. By the way, this was partly facilitated by our achievements in the field of quantum engines, the work of which is based on the fundamental theory of Leonov's superunification.
- You were the chairman of the commission for testing the quantum engine of the company "Quanton". The test report is published. What parameters are recorded and what did they show?
- A year ago, I initiated the creation of this commission, understanding the importance of such engines for space. We were interested in the specific thrust force developed by the prototype kvD, and we reliably determined it - 115 N / kW. This is 165 times higher than the best samples of LPR. It turns out that the quantum engine is at least a hundred times more economical. This is a revolutionary achievement in space engine building, when new fundamental knowledge allows you to make a sharp jump in technical parameters.
- Why is the revolutionary achievement not being implemented?
Georgy Kostin: As a former director of the Voronezh Mechanical Plant (VMZ), which produces rocket engines, it is clear to me that in the future the quantum engine will replace the LRD. It is more economical, powered by electrical energy, does not require chemical fuel, and therefore does not embed harmful combustion products of fuel, uselessly heating the atmosphere and space. But there is a purely production problem. Its design is significantly different from the LPR produced at VMZ. To enter the production of VMZ with KvD, I was first proposed to create a hybrid engine KvD + LRD and thereby reduce the launch mass of the launch vehicle by at least three to five times. Electrical energy to power KvD is proposed to receive from the generator installed on one shaft with the pumping unit of the LPR. All calculations and sketch study of the hybrid are available. But we haven't gotten the go-ahead yet.
- Is this the short-sightedness of Roscosmos?
- Roscosmos has a lot of problems. Programs for the decade ahead have been drawn up. The head has already reported that the scientific and production association "Energomash" has completed the assembly of the liquid engine RD-171MV with a thrust of 800 tons. And now we propose to make essentially a new unit consisting of two engines: quantum and LPR. It is not inscribed in any plans. Therefore, now we are at the stage of convincing the leadership of Roscosmos that this work should be started and the sooner the better.
I repeat, the LPR has a specific thrust force of not more than 0.7 N / kW. The only way to reduce fuel consumption can only be a hybrid. Although a powerful quantum engine has yet to be brought to an industrial design. That seems to be the whole reason. As for VMZ, the plant's capabilities are sufficient to perform this work.
- And how does Roscosmos itself treat the quantum engine?
Alexander Kubasov: I was the head of quantum engine testing at Kwanton. We confirmed the previously stated characteristics of the KvD about its high efficiency. Judge for yourself: specialists of the space industry for decades have been struggling to improve the characteristics of lpr by a few percent, and here - a hundred times. He did not believe in this until he personally measured the specific thrust force of the KvD.
" Vladimir Semenovich Leonov today looks like in his time Diesel before the carriage masters, whom he convinced that the cart can move without a horse "
Hundreds of thousands of people work in Roscosmos and its subordinate units, and suddenly a small team from the Bryansk hinterland, without state funding, issues such parameters. By the way, many people do not like it - professional pride plus traditional conservatism are affected. And most importantly - no one understands what creates the thrust of the KvD. After all, we were taught that this in principle can not be, and the reactive method is the only possible way to move in space. We did not study the theory of superunification in the university, it simply did not exist then. Immediately we are talking about a non-reactive way of creating a thrust force, antigravity, quantum gravity, about which we know nothing. Figuratively speaking, presenting his developments to us for expert evaluation, Vladimir Semenovich Leonov today looks like Diesel once looked before the carriage masters, whom he convinced that the cart can move without a horse. And in response I heard: and where are the oglobli, clamp, the hedges.
- What is the principle of operation of the quantum engine?
Vladimir Leonov: First of all, I would like to note that Kwanton has fulfilled its mission: a fundamental theory of superunification has been created, on the basis of which the principle of operation of the quantum engine is based. Successful tests of KvD confirmed the validity of our theory, which justifies new physical principles. The work of KvD is simple and based on the creation of thrust force due to the gradient of spatial energy. We have established that a colossal energy in the form of a global electromagnetic field with a very small discreteness (quantization) has been "spilled" through outer space, about which nothing was previously known. This global field was discovered by me in 1996 as the fifth fundamental force (superpower) in the form of superstrong electromagnetic interaction (CMEA). Its carrier is the quantum of space-time (quanton), the size of which is ten orders of magnitude smaller than the atomic nucleus, but it concentrates energy much larger than nuclear.
The quantum engine is repelled by the global CMEA field due to deformation in the right direction (Einstein curvature) of quantized space-time, creating an artificial gravitational force (thrust). The mass reader may not understand everything, but this is fundamentally new fundamental knowledge.
- The Russian Academy of Sciences is responsible for fundamental research. Why is the RAS silent?
Dmitry Strebkov: I participated in the meeting of the working group of the Defense Committee of the State Duma and supported all the developments of the Kwanton Group. I have known Vladimir Leonov for a long time and have always supported him in working on the theory of superunification, the development of KvD. As, however, and our teacher - General Designer of NPO "Kvant", corresponding member of the Russian Academy of Sciences Nikolai Lidorenko. Leonov swung at the fundamental foundations of physics, and academic science is fundamentally conservative. In addition, not only in the Russian Academy of Sciences, but also in the world there are no other specialists in the theory of superunification. And this is a completely new knowledge in modern physics. But the main confirmation of the operability of this theory is the quantum engine itself, a specific sample. This is better than the conclusions of dozens of academics. In China, tested a quantum microwave engine in orbit. On the website of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Doctor of Physical and Mathematical Sciences, Professor Georgy Malinetsky on behalf of the Academy made a statement: "An impossible engine" from china does not contradict the laws of physics and can work without fuel. " But the Chinese engine has a thrust of several newtons, and Leonov has several thousand newtons. I believe that the test protocol of the quantum engine should be urgently considered in the Department of Energy, Mechanical Engineering, Mechanics and Control Processes of the Russian Academy of Sciences.
- Will we miss the time? And how do the military look at this discovery?
Anatoly Sitnov: My position is unequivocal. Only fundamental knowledge gives impetus to the creation of promising weapons systems based on new physical principles. By revealing the secrets of the nucleus, we were able to create an atomic bomb, a powerful nuclear shield of the country. And now we are lucky that the theory of superunification was created in Russia. For the first time, our science penetrated into the mysteries of universal gravitation, explaining the quantum nature of gravity. This new fundamental knowledge is the basis for the work of the antigravity engine and quantum generators of gravitational waves - grazers. We, the military, are well aware of the importance of new space technologies for defense. Therefore, the issue should be decided at the state level, and not by Kwanton alone. Further work on the engine should be included in state programs, determine the parent organization, for example, RSC Energia, the head design bureaus and the plant (Voronezh). Without this, the issue will not move from the dead point.
Mikhail Sautin: We held hearings on this issue in the working group of the Defense Committee. On the initiative of the First Deputy Chairman of the Military-Industrial Commission under the Government of the Russian Federation, now Deputy Director General of Roscosmos Ivan Kharchenko, a technical task (TK) for a demonstration sample of a quantum engine was developed. The toR was approved by the general designer of the means of launching spacecraft into orbit with the appropriate ground infrastructure Alexander Medvedev and agreed by the director of the Research Institute of Space Systems (NIIKS) Mikhail Makarov.
In connection with the reorganization of Roscosmos, the financing of the work was postponed. But now Dmitry Rogozin gave instructions to begin the development of a quantum engine. As you can see, with some delay, the issue is still beginning to be resolved at the state level. At the same time, we are constantly faced with domestic bureaucracy at the level of the middle level of management, which does not understand the full responsibility of the tasks at hand. Like, since "Kwanton" is a private company, let it solve the problems itself. If elon Musk had been treated this way in the United States, there would have been no breakthrough. And the company "Quanton", without state support, created something that the Americans can not afford.
- As far as I can tell, Kwanton has been working on the engine since 2002. What are the overall prospects?
Sergey Altunin: We do not have such opportunities as the Voronezh Mechanical Plant, but we are ready to work together to create a powerful hybrid engine. So far, we have focused on the development of low-power KvD to ensure the maneuverability of satellites in orbit, and we are also working on the design of the engine for an aerospace drone. However, there is something to worry about. Some time ago, the Russian tracking facilities asPOS OKP of the Astronomical Science Center (ANC) noticed the separation of two devices from a large US satellite. One of them has already made more than four hundred maneuvers. It can be assumed that the Americans are testing in orbit shunting killers of satellites (Killer Satellites). We warned about this danger. If such technologies are implemented, there is a great temptation to disable Russian military satellites and blind our space systems before launching a preemptive nuclear strike.
- What to do next?
Oleg Baklanov: First of all, we need to urgently convene a meeting with the head of Roscosmos and outline a program of action.
In addition, I have sent relevant letters to President Vladimir Putin and the government. We are talking about the formation of a new branch of space engine building. In Soviet times, a decision of the Central Committee and the corresponding government decree would have been urgently adopted on this issue.
Had no idea quantum engines was a thing, definetly going to study up russias space industry on these engines through yandex news.
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A prototype of a quantum engine ("Gravity has found work"), creating thrust without ejecting reactive mass, caused an incredible stir. Public opinion, as usual, was divided into those who believe in the project and consider it fantastic. As for officials, they probably do not realize the seriousness of the discovery and its practical application.
For a comprehensive discussion of the problem, the Military-Industrial Courier held a round table. It was attended by the former Minister of General Engineering of the USSR, Hero of Socialist Labor Oleg Baklanov, author and developer of the engine, head of the Quanton Group, laureate of the Russian Government Prize in science and technology, Candidate of Technical Sciences Vladimir Leonov, Doctor of Physical and Mathematical Sciences, Professor of Moscow State University Boris Arbuzov, Doctor of Physical and Mathematical Sciences, Professor of Moscow State University Eduard Smolyakov, Doctor of Technical Sciences, Professor of the Military Academy of the Strategic Missile Forces named after Peter the Great Alexander Gnevko, Doctor of Technical Sciences, Professor, former First Deputy General Director for Science of the National Institute of Aviation Technologies Vasily Podkolzin, military expert, head of the ArtAvia OTK Vladimir Gloshkin.
Vladimir Leonov: A quantum engine that operates without ejecting a jet jet questions the foundations of classical mechanics. Paradoxically, the current generation is hammered into the heads that the reactive method of motion in space is the only possible (by the way, Konstantin Tsiolkovsky did not think so), since it corresponds to the law of conservation of momentum of force and amount of motion, formulated by Newton 350 years ago.
But Einstein 100 years ago showed that in the field of relativistic velocities, classical mechanics no longer works and the relativistic impulse no longer corresponds to classical momentum.
In my fundamental work, The Theory of Superunification, which is more than 700 pages long, published in England (Cambridge, 2010), India (2011), and Russia (2017), it is shown that in quantum mechanics the momentum of force behaves in the opposite way compared to the classical momentum. And the theory of superunification is the quantum theory of open quantum-mechanical systems, about which little was previously known. I repeat: the new quantum pulse is used by us in an existing engine to create a thrust force without ejecting reactive mass.
The main thing is that the theory of superunification now has experimental confirmation in the form of a working quantum engine. Physics is primarily an experimental science, and experiment is the basis for a theory. In March 2018, a commission chaired by Oleg Dmitrievich Baklanov measured the specific thrust force of our device. The tests were supervised by the honored tester of space technology Alexander Kubasov (RSC Energia). Their results are published in the journal "Aerospace Sphere", 2019, No. 1 (https://www.ashurbeyli.ru/public/flipboard/vks12019/#page=70). The protocol is posted on the Internet.
- What results have you obtained and how objective are they?
V. L.: Let me remind you that the specific thrust force determines the power consumed by the engine (in kilowatts - kW) to create a unit of thrust force (in newtons - H, 1 kg of force = 9.8 N). According to the test results, a prototype of a quantum engine reliably developed a thrust force of 115 N / kW. This is 165 times more than the best liquid rocket engine (LPR), the specific thrust force of which does not exceed 0.7 N / kW. This means that a spacecraft (LA) with a quantum engine will consume energy 165 times less compared to a modern launch vehicle (LV) on chemical fuel. With such parameters, a space aircraft with a quantum engine will be able to work for a long time both in the atmosphere and in space. This cannot be done in the traditional way.
What is the reason for such a sharp jump in energy savings? The fact is that the quantum engine in comparison with the LPR does not "drown" the atmosphere and space with the products of combustion of chemical fuel. Today, the designers of the LPR are trying to reduce fuel consumption by several percent, and here we have a new engine that is more than 100 times more economical than the LPR. Of course, this causes some people a kind of shock and distrust.
- To dispel the skepticism around your invention and the possible violation of the law of conservation of momentum, we invited to the "round table" two theoretical physicists from Moscow State University: Boris Arbuzov and Eduard Smolyakov, who, independently of Leonov, developed the concept of pulse conservation violation and the creation of non-reactive electromagnetic propulsion for flight in outer space. As well as practitioners - doctors of technical sciences Alexander Gnevko and Vasily Podkolzin, military expert Vladimir Gloshkin.
Boris Arbuzov: Vladimir Semenovich briefly and clearly spoke about this very important problem. As a theoretical physicist, it is important for me to understand how and by what way such results are obtained. I approached the problem of not maintaining the classical momentum back in 1967 (the first publication in the ZHETF), and then in 1974, when it came to cases of manifestation of this effect. I tried to understand whether there are additional contributions in the geometry of our space not only from gravitational, but also from other fields. In particular, electromagnetic. The fact that the gravitational field is based on the electromagnetic field is clearly shown in Leonov's theory of superunification and confirms my conclusions.
Earlier we said that the falling apple is affected by the gravitational force of the Earth. Classical mechanics is based on Lagrange equations of motion. In the electromagnetic field, the Lorentz force acts. New physical effects appear when electromagnetic and gravitational fields interact. The result is an energy gradient and additional force. Its nature should be sought in the manifestation of strong magnetic (electromagnetic) fields, which make an additional contribution to the structure of space-time.
Of course, there is still a lot of unknowns, but the main thing is that there is an experimental effect of the emergence of an additional energy gradient and the creation of a powerful thrust.
- In the last few years, there has been information about unusual effects, the interpretation of which when following standard physical principles seems impossible. This refers to the so-called EmDrive devices. It is argued that the effect consists in the appearance of a force that affects an isolated object without external influence, only due to internal high-frequency electromagnetic processes. Is that right?
B.A.: If there are no unaccounted sources (or a simple experimental error), then such an effect certainly does not mean the preservation of momentum. In a recent NASA paper, a number of authors stated this. In particular, on the measurement of the ratio of thrust to electromagnetic power for a closed radiofrequency cavity with a resonant frequency of 1:937 GHz, which is loaded with a sample from a dielectric. An even more significant effect is presented in the work of our colleagues Leonov, Baklanov, Sautin, Kostin, Kubasov, Altunin and Kulakovsky (Aerospace Sphere, No. 1, 2019 / https://www.ashurbeyli.ru/public/flipboard/vks12019/#page=1).
On the one hand, such results in most physicists cause distrust because of the possibility of contradiction with the preservation of momentum. However, it is quite expedient to ask the question: what consequences can this lead to? In general relativity, a test body moves along a geodesic line (generalization of a straight line), which is determined by the geometry of space. But when using a other method of measurement, a new force arises, which turns out to be associated with electromagnetic fields. It leads to vertical thrust, obtained exclusively due to internal processes in the system.
Further work on the study and application of the considered effects may well lead to the creation of fundamentally new promising engines. It should be noted the undoubted scientific significance of these studies for physics and astrophysics.
Eduard Smolyakov: In support of professor Arbuzov's words, I assert that in a quantum engine from the standpoint of classical mechanics, we really do not observe the conservation of momentum. The fact is that classical mechanics considers the dynamics of body movement. And from the standpoint of quantum theory, a violation of the law of conservation of momentum in a quantum engine is not observed, since it already operates with the concept of a field and particles. As shown in Leonov's theory of superunification, cosmic four-dimensional space-time is quantized (consisting of quantons) and is a global energy field with which the engine interacts. It creates a thrust force, starting from this global field. So that's okay.
In parallel with the work of Leonov's group, giving him priority, I have long been studying the possibility of creating principles of non-reactive motion in space and wrote a number of works ("Theory of the search for exact equations and laws of motion." M., "Russian Encyclopedia", 2012; "Magnetic field flights that provide both a state of weightlessness and accelerated motion." Proceedings of the Institute for System Analysis of the Russian Academy of Sciences, 2014).
Theoretical calculations based on much more general equations than the equations of Maxwell and Newton show the possibility of movement with large accelerations with the help of a powerful controlled magnetic field created on board the aircraft, which provides not only accelerated motion (without the use of jet thrust), hundreds of times higher than the acceleration of free fall on Earth, but also a comfortable state for the crew without inertial overloads.
Moreover, calculations have shown that with the help of a strong magnetic field, it is possible to exit from our space into the dual one through "wormholes", the realities of which were paid attention to by the astrophysicist Stephen Hawking. In this case, the movement is possible in an arbitrarily short time at any distance with the subsequent return to our space for hundreds of light years. It seems fantastic, but theoretical physicists really consider such effects. And what Leonov's group is doing is no longer fiction, but realities confirmed experimentally.
- You seem to have familiarized yourself with Leonov's theory of superunification. What is your opinion?
E.S.: When I got into it, I immediately congratulated Vladimir Semenovich. This, in my opinion, is the most beautiful and harmonious physical theory. Its logic is the key to the fact that it will be the most accurate of all known models of the real world.
By the way, 10 years after the publication of the theory of superunification in the UK (Cambridge), there was no official criticism of it in the world scientific literature. Even the Commission on Pseudoscience of the Russian Academy of Sciences did not officially dare to ostracize it. The theory of superunification is a purely Russian achievement, nothing like this has been created in the West.
Alexander Gnevko: At the Military Academy of the Strategic Missile Forces named after Peter the Great, an initiative group was created to study the non-reactive motion and speed of gravity, which we measured by the action of lunar and solar tides. The materials of the experiments have been published. We live in an age of gravity and antigravity. And in order to calculate the parameters of the antigravity quantum engine, it is necessary to know the speed of propagation of gravity (gravitational wave), which is not measured experimentally by anyone. This is also required in the creation of quantum generators of gravitational waves (grazers), which, compared with lasers, will represent even more powerful beam weapon systems.
I fully support the idea of developing and mastering quantum motors for a new generation of aircraft. This will give a huge leap in the development of technology and new weapons systems. In most cases, my and Leonov's assessments coincide.
Unfortunately, fundamental science is almost not funded, especially in the field of gravity and antigravity, and Americans already receive Nobel Prizes for this. Leonov's group, I believe, made an important breakthrough on one enthusiasm. But this direction should be given a state status. So far, our military industry is holding on to the Soviet reserve, but it is coming to an end. What's next? In theory - the development of antigravity quantum engines for a new generation of aircraft. We will not do it, our potential adversaries will. A future war will begin in space, and we must be prepared for it.
There is another important point. Where is the main source of energy in nature now? Everyone thinks about the atom. But, according to physicists, the main energy is concentrated in the cosmic vacuum, in the so-called dark matter. Leonov managed to uncover the quantized structure of the cosmic vacuum and assess its colossal energy intensity using a quasi-solid-state model. We have to master new types of this colossal cosmic energy.
V. L.: Professor Gnevko's fundamental research in the field of measuring the velocity of gravity deserves the Nobel Prize. But he needs state support, otherwise this work will be intercepted by the Americans, as we have repeatedly observed with other projects in the dashing 90s.
Vasily Podkolzin: When Alexander Fedorovich Mozhaysky created his aircraft, steam engines could not provide it with lift and the necessary flight speed. Moreover, no one believed that a body heavier than air would be able to break away from the ground and make a flight. When internal combustion engines appeared, the world changed radically. But these engines also had their limits. They could not provide the aircraft with a speed of more than 730 kilometers per hour. This turned out to be capable of a jet (turbojet) engine, which can be replaced by a quantum one.
What is Leonov's superunification theory? As a result of the interaction of magnetic, electromagnetic, gravitational fields, a force is born, which is called antigravity. It's about creating an activator that will allow you to bend space and interact with electric, magnetic, gravitational fields, extracting energy from them. Physicist Vladimir Leonov has been working on this theory for 20 years, and has now put his findings into practice.
I have previously stated thoughts about the creation of an engine that works on the principle of reverse gravitational forces. They are activated from time and space, give out energy, I confirm, tens, hundreds of times more than conventional LPR. Therefore, to promote this idea, in my opinion, it is necessary to create a demonstrator in the form of an aircraft. Thus, we will prove that all this is not nonsense. The Chinese, according to some reports, have already launched a quantum engine into space.
V. L.: Our engineers, as well as officials, unfortunately, do not yet know the nature of gravity and antigravity, what are relativistic and quantum pulses, what is their difference from the classical force pulse. It's not their fault – that's how they were taught. But officials make decisions. And our task is to convince them of the need to develop quantum engines for space at the state level. It should be noted that new technologies, in addition to military use, give a huge commercial effect. The profit for the state will be huge. Thus, the low-orbital cellular network we offer will give $ 200 billion, providing reliable communication throughout the country and the planet. To do this, we need relay satellites that can be kept in low orbits with the help of small quantum motors when powered by solar panels.
Vladimir Gloshkin: As a military expert, it should be noted that the concept of a "war of engines" has not been canceled. US President Trump announced to the whole world that space is becoming an arena of hostilities. To maintain military parity, we must rely on new space technologies and gravity weapons. Imagine a device with an anti-gravity quantum engine of the type of flying saucer, equipped with a combat grazer. Such an aircraft can easily destroy from space the starting positions on the ground, any rocket in orbit. If the Americans are the first to make a new space weapon, our nuclear shield will no longer be able to fulfill its protective function.
Something is already being done. In December 2016, the work schedule and the ToR "Development and bench tests of an experimental sample of a pulsed antigravity quantum engine (KVD)" were agreed. The toR was agreed and signed by the FSUE Khrunichev Federal Scientific and Production Center, the Maximov Research Institute of Space Systems with the assistance of the Board of the Military-Industrial Commission under the Government of the Russian Federation. However, funding for agreed topics has not been opened for an unknown reason. Moreover, Roscosmos begins to abandon this work, focusing on the so-called tsar-engine, which in fact is a modernization of the old RD-180 with a specific thrust force of 0.655 N / kW. This is 175 times worse than that of a prototype quantum engine (115 N/kW). Such trampling on the spot leads to a loss of time and finances.
Professor Georgy Kostin, former director and deputy chief designer of the Voronezh Mechanical Plant (VMZ), where rocket engines are made, proposed to start work with the development of hybrid engines (LRD + KvD). In this embodiment, the electricity supply of the quantum engine is carried out from an electric generator installed on the same shaft with the pumping unit of the LPR. This will reduce the fuel consumption of the launch vehicle by three to four times, lighten its launch weight and increase the payload. Kostin's proposal was supported by the Director of VMZ and the General Director of RSC Energia. But someone didn't like it. Professor Kostin, Director of VMZ and General Director of RSC Energia, are dismissed from the VMZ.
Leonov's group also proposed a project of a heavy space platform with four KvD with a thrust of 100 tons each. Starting weight – 380 tons. The payload put into orbit of 500 kilometers is 180 tons. Fuel consumption – 25 tons (hydrogen – oxygen). But the project, even without discussion, was rejected, because, they say, Roscosmos is already working on a heavy rocket with a launch weight of three thousand tons and a payload of 105 tons. Compare these indicators and draw your own conclusions. There is a danger that we will forever lag behind the United States and China in this direction.
V. L.: Let me add to the above that China has offered Kwanton to move to them with the whole structure and carry out these works on their territory with unlimited funding. There are other suggestions. There was a call that Lockheed was interested in developing a quantum engine for an aerospace aircraft. But we reject proposals from abroad, because we have not exhausted the possibilities of development in our country. In addition to Roscosmos, there are other state structures that are ready to cooperate with us now.
Oleg Baklanov: I am grateful to our wonderful scientists who took part in the discussion of this important problem at the round table, once again emphasizing its severity and relevance. And officials need to finally understand that fundamental science today has penetrated into the nature of gravity and antigravity, the quantum structure of space. This allows you to create engines that do not require fuel. The traditional LPR, we repeat once again, has reached its technical ceiling. Its specific thrust does not exceed 0.7 newtons per kilowatt of power, which allows you to put into orbit a cargo of no more than three to five percent of the launch mass. That can't suit us anymore.
We need engines that work on new physical principles that can actively maneuver in the air and space. KvD is a hundred times more economical, more efficient than conventional LPR. This is a revolutionary achievement in space engine building, which cannot but be appreciated.
The task now is to convey our arguments to the leadership of the defense industry, the Ministry of Defense, the President of the Russian Federation. After all, this is a real breakthrough into the future.
A prototype of a quantum engine ("Gravity has found work"), creating thrust without ejecting reactive mass, caused an incredible stir. Public opinion, as usual, was divided into those who believe in the project and consider it fantastic. As for officials, they probably do not realize the seriousness of the discovery and its practical application.
For a comprehensive discussion of the problem, the Military-Industrial Courier held a round table. It was attended by the former Minister of General Engineering of the USSR, Hero of Socialist Labor Oleg Baklanov, author and developer of the engine, head of the Quanton Group, laureate of the Russian Government Prize in science and technology, Candidate of Technical Sciences Vladimir Leonov, Doctor of Physical and Mathematical Sciences, Professor of Moscow State University Boris Arbuzov, Doctor of Physical and Mathematical Sciences, Professor of Moscow State University Eduard Smolyakov, Doctor of Technical Sciences, Professor of the Military Academy of the Strategic Missile Forces named after Peter the Great Alexander Gnevko, Doctor of Technical Sciences, Professor, former First Deputy General Director for Science of the National Institute of Aviation Technologies Vasily Podkolzin, military expert, head of the ArtAvia OTK Vladimir Gloshkin.
Vladimir Leonov: A quantum engine that operates without ejecting a jet jet questions the foundations of classical mechanics. Paradoxically, the current generation is hammered into the heads that the reactive method of motion in space is the only possible (by the way, Konstantin Tsiolkovsky did not think so), since it corresponds to the law of conservation of momentum of force and amount of motion, formulated by Newton 350 years ago.
But Einstein 100 years ago showed that in the field of relativistic velocities, classical mechanics no longer works and the relativistic impulse no longer corresponds to classical momentum.
In my fundamental work, The Theory of Superunification, which is more than 700 pages long, published in England (Cambridge, 2010), India (2011), and Russia (2017), it is shown that in quantum mechanics the momentum of force behaves in the opposite way compared to the classical momentum. And the theory of superunification is the quantum theory of open quantum-mechanical systems, about which little was previously known. I repeat: the new quantum pulse is used by us in an existing engine to create a thrust force without ejecting reactive mass.
The main thing is that the theory of superunification now has experimental confirmation in the form of a working quantum engine. Physics is primarily an experimental science, and experiment is the basis for a theory. In March 2018, a commission chaired by Oleg Dmitrievich Baklanov measured the specific thrust force of our device. The tests were supervised by the honored tester of space technology Alexander Kubasov (RSC Energia). Their results are published in the journal "Aerospace Sphere", 2019, No. 1 (https://www.ashurbeyli.ru/public/flipboard/vks12019/#page=70). The protocol is posted on the Internet.
- What results have you obtained and how objective are they?
V. L.: Let me remind you that the specific thrust force determines the power consumed by the engine (in kilowatts - kW) to create a unit of thrust force (in newtons - H, 1 kg of force = 9.8 N). According to the test results, a prototype of a quantum engine reliably developed a thrust force of 115 N / kW. This is 165 times more than the best liquid rocket engine (LPR), the specific thrust force of which does not exceed 0.7 N / kW. This means that a spacecraft (LA) with a quantum engine will consume energy 165 times less compared to a modern launch vehicle (LV) on chemical fuel. With such parameters, a space aircraft with a quantum engine will be able to work for a long time both in the atmosphere and in space. This cannot be done in the traditional way.
What is the reason for such a sharp jump in energy savings? The fact is that the quantum engine in comparison with the LPR does not "drown" the atmosphere and space with the products of combustion of chemical fuel. Today, the designers of the LPR are trying to reduce fuel consumption by several percent, and here we have a new engine that is more than 100 times more economical than the LPR. Of course, this causes some people a kind of shock and distrust.
- To dispel the skepticism around your invention and the possible violation of the law of conservation of momentum, we invited to the "round table" two theoretical physicists from Moscow State University: Boris Arbuzov and Eduard Smolyakov, who, independently of Leonov, developed the concept of pulse conservation violation and the creation of non-reactive electromagnetic propulsion for flight in outer space. As well as practitioners - doctors of technical sciences Alexander Gnevko and Vasily Podkolzin, military expert Vladimir Gloshkin.
Boris Arbuzov: Vladimir Semenovich briefly and clearly spoke about this very important problem. As a theoretical physicist, it is important for me to understand how and by what way such results are obtained. I approached the problem of not maintaining the classical momentum back in 1967 (the first publication in the ZHETF), and then in 1974, when it came to cases of manifestation of this effect. I tried to understand whether there are additional contributions in the geometry of our space not only from gravitational, but also from other fields. In particular, electromagnetic. The fact that the gravitational field is based on the electromagnetic field is clearly shown in Leonov's theory of superunification and confirms my conclusions.
Earlier we said that the falling apple is affected by the gravitational force of the Earth. Classical mechanics is based on Lagrange equations of motion. In the electromagnetic field, the Lorentz force acts. New physical effects appear when electromagnetic and gravitational fields interact. The result is an energy gradient and additional force. Its nature should be sought in the manifestation of strong magnetic (electromagnetic) fields, which make an additional contribution to the structure of space-time.
Of course, there is still a lot of unknowns, but the main thing is that there is an experimental effect of the emergence of an additional energy gradient and the creation of a powerful thrust.
- In the last few years, there has been information about unusual effects, the interpretation of which when following standard physical principles seems impossible. This refers to the so-called EmDrive devices. It is argued that the effect consists in the appearance of a force that affects an isolated object without external influence, only due to internal high-frequency electromagnetic processes. Is that right?
B.A.: If there are no unaccounted sources (or a simple experimental error), then such an effect certainly does not mean the preservation of momentum. In a recent NASA paper, a number of authors stated this. In particular, on the measurement of the ratio of thrust to electromagnetic power for a closed radiofrequency cavity with a resonant frequency of 1:937 GHz, which is loaded with a sample from a dielectric. An even more significant effect is presented in the work of our colleagues Leonov, Baklanov, Sautin, Kostin, Kubasov, Altunin and Kulakovsky (Aerospace Sphere, No. 1, 2019 / https://www.ashurbeyli.ru/public/flipboard/vks12019/#page=1).
On the one hand, such results in most physicists cause distrust because of the possibility of contradiction with the preservation of momentum. However, it is quite expedient to ask the question: what consequences can this lead to? In general relativity, a test body moves along a geodesic line (generalization of a straight line), which is determined by the geometry of space. But when using a other method of measurement, a new force arises, which turns out to be associated with electromagnetic fields. It leads to vertical thrust, obtained exclusively due to internal processes in the system.
Further work on the study and application of the considered effects may well lead to the creation of fundamentally new promising engines. It should be noted the undoubted scientific significance of these studies for physics and astrophysics.
Eduard Smolyakov: In support of professor Arbuzov's words, I assert that in a quantum engine from the standpoint of classical mechanics, we really do not observe the conservation of momentum. The fact is that classical mechanics considers the dynamics of body movement. And from the standpoint of quantum theory, a violation of the law of conservation of momentum in a quantum engine is not observed, since it already operates with the concept of a field and particles. As shown in Leonov's theory of superunification, cosmic four-dimensional space-time is quantized (consisting of quantons) and is a global energy field with which the engine interacts. It creates a thrust force, starting from this global field. So that's okay.
In parallel with the work of Leonov's group, giving him priority, I have long been studying the possibility of creating principles of non-reactive motion in space and wrote a number of works ("Theory of the search for exact equations and laws of motion." M., "Russian Encyclopedia", 2012; "Magnetic field flights that provide both a state of weightlessness and accelerated motion." Proceedings of the Institute for System Analysis of the Russian Academy of Sciences, 2014).
Theoretical calculations based on much more general equations than the equations of Maxwell and Newton show the possibility of movement with large accelerations with the help of a powerful controlled magnetic field created on board the aircraft, which provides not only accelerated motion (without the use of jet thrust), hundreds of times higher than the acceleration of free fall on Earth, but also a comfortable state for the crew without inertial overloads.
Moreover, calculations have shown that with the help of a strong magnetic field, it is possible to exit from our space into the dual one through "wormholes", the realities of which were paid attention to by the astrophysicist Stephen Hawking. In this case, the movement is possible in an arbitrarily short time at any distance with the subsequent return to our space for hundreds of light years. It seems fantastic, but theoretical physicists really consider such effects. And what Leonov's group is doing is no longer fiction, but realities confirmed experimentally.
- You seem to have familiarized yourself with Leonov's theory of superunification. What is your opinion?
E.S.: When I got into it, I immediately congratulated Vladimir Semenovich. This, in my opinion, is the most beautiful and harmonious physical theory. Its logic is the key to the fact that it will be the most accurate of all known models of the real world.
By the way, 10 years after the publication of the theory of superunification in the UK (Cambridge), there was no official criticism of it in the world scientific literature. Even the Commission on Pseudoscience of the Russian Academy of Sciences did not officially dare to ostracize it. The theory of superunification is a purely Russian achievement, nothing like this has been created in the West.
Alexander Gnevko: At the Military Academy of the Strategic Missile Forces named after Peter the Great, an initiative group was created to study the non-reactive motion and speed of gravity, which we measured by the action of lunar and solar tides. The materials of the experiments have been published. We live in an age of gravity and antigravity. And in order to calculate the parameters of the antigravity quantum engine, it is necessary to know the speed of propagation of gravity (gravitational wave), which is not measured experimentally by anyone. This is also required in the creation of quantum generators of gravitational waves (grazers), which, compared with lasers, will represent even more powerful beam weapon systems.
I fully support the idea of developing and mastering quantum motors for a new generation of aircraft. This will give a huge leap in the development of technology and new weapons systems. In most cases, my and Leonov's assessments coincide.
Unfortunately, fundamental science is almost not funded, especially in the field of gravity and antigravity, and Americans already receive Nobel Prizes for this. Leonov's group, I believe, made an important breakthrough on one enthusiasm. But this direction should be given a state status. So far, our military industry is holding on to the Soviet reserve, but it is coming to an end. What's next? In theory - the development of antigravity quantum engines for a new generation of aircraft. We will not do it, our potential adversaries will. A future war will begin in space, and we must be prepared for it.
There is another important point. Where is the main source of energy in nature now? Everyone thinks about the atom. But, according to physicists, the main energy is concentrated in the cosmic vacuum, in the so-called dark matter. Leonov managed to uncover the quantized structure of the cosmic vacuum and assess its colossal energy intensity using a quasi-solid-state model. We have to master new types of this colossal cosmic energy.
V. L.: Professor Gnevko's fundamental research in the field of measuring the velocity of gravity deserves the Nobel Prize. But he needs state support, otherwise this work will be intercepted by the Americans, as we have repeatedly observed with other projects in the dashing 90s.
Vasily Podkolzin: When Alexander Fedorovich Mozhaysky created his aircraft, steam engines could not provide it with lift and the necessary flight speed. Moreover, no one believed that a body heavier than air would be able to break away from the ground and make a flight. When internal combustion engines appeared, the world changed radically. But these engines also had their limits. They could not provide the aircraft with a speed of more than 730 kilometers per hour. This turned out to be capable of a jet (turbojet) engine, which can be replaced by a quantum one.
What is Leonov's superunification theory? As a result of the interaction of magnetic, electromagnetic, gravitational fields, a force is born, which is called antigravity. It's about creating an activator that will allow you to bend space and interact with electric, magnetic, gravitational fields, extracting energy from them. Physicist Vladimir Leonov has been working on this theory for 20 years, and has now put his findings into practice.
I have previously stated thoughts about the creation of an engine that works on the principle of reverse gravitational forces. They are activated from time and space, give out energy, I confirm, tens, hundreds of times more than conventional LPR. Therefore, to promote this idea, in my opinion, it is necessary to create a demonstrator in the form of an aircraft. Thus, we will prove that all this is not nonsense. The Chinese, according to some reports, have already launched a quantum engine into space.
V. L.: Our engineers, as well as officials, unfortunately, do not yet know the nature of gravity and antigravity, what are relativistic and quantum pulses, what is their difference from the classical force pulse. It's not their fault – that's how they were taught. But officials make decisions. And our task is to convince them of the need to develop quantum engines for space at the state level. It should be noted that new technologies, in addition to military use, give a huge commercial effect. The profit for the state will be huge. Thus, the low-orbital cellular network we offer will give $ 200 billion, providing reliable communication throughout the country and the planet. To do this, we need relay satellites that can be kept in low orbits with the help of small quantum motors when powered by solar panels.
Vladimir Gloshkin: As a military expert, it should be noted that the concept of a "war of engines" has not been canceled. US President Trump announced to the whole world that space is becoming an arena of hostilities. To maintain military parity, we must rely on new space technologies and gravity weapons. Imagine a device with an anti-gravity quantum engine of the type of flying saucer, equipped with a combat grazer. Such an aircraft can easily destroy from space the starting positions on the ground, any rocket in orbit. If the Americans are the first to make a new space weapon, our nuclear shield will no longer be able to fulfill its protective function.
Something is already being done. In December 2016, the work schedule and the ToR "Development and bench tests of an experimental sample of a pulsed antigravity quantum engine (KVD)" were agreed. The toR was agreed and signed by the FSUE Khrunichev Federal Scientific and Production Center, the Maximov Research Institute of Space Systems with the assistance of the Board of the Military-Industrial Commission under the Government of the Russian Federation. However, funding for agreed topics has not been opened for an unknown reason. Moreover, Roscosmos begins to abandon this work, focusing on the so-called tsar-engine, which in fact is a modernization of the old RD-180 with a specific thrust force of 0.655 N / kW. This is 175 times worse than that of a prototype quantum engine (115 N/kW). Such trampling on the spot leads to a loss of time and finances.
Professor Georgy Kostin, former director and deputy chief designer of the Voronezh Mechanical Plant (VMZ), where rocket engines are made, proposed to start work with the development of hybrid engines (LRD + KvD). In this embodiment, the electricity supply of the quantum engine is carried out from an electric generator installed on the same shaft with the pumping unit of the LPR. This will reduce the fuel consumption of the launch vehicle by three to four times, lighten its launch weight and increase the payload. Kostin's proposal was supported by the Director of VMZ and the General Director of RSC Energia. But someone didn't like it. Professor Kostin, Director of VMZ and General Director of RSC Energia, are dismissed from the VMZ.
Leonov's group also proposed a project of a heavy space platform with four KvD with a thrust of 100 tons each. Starting weight – 380 tons. The payload put into orbit of 500 kilometers is 180 tons. Fuel consumption – 25 tons (hydrogen – oxygen). But the project, even without discussion, was rejected, because, they say, Roscosmos is already working on a heavy rocket with a launch weight of three thousand tons and a payload of 105 tons. Compare these indicators and draw your own conclusions. There is a danger that we will forever lag behind the United States and China in this direction.
V. L.: Let me add to the above that China has offered Kwanton to move to them with the whole structure and carry out these works on their territory with unlimited funding. There are other suggestions. There was a call that Lockheed was interested in developing a quantum engine for an aerospace aircraft. But we reject proposals from abroad, because we have not exhausted the possibilities of development in our country. In addition to Roscosmos, there are other state structures that are ready to cooperate with us now.
Oleg Baklanov: I am grateful to our wonderful scientists who took part in the discussion of this important problem at the round table, once again emphasizing its severity and relevance. And officials need to finally understand that fundamental science today has penetrated into the nature of gravity and antigravity, the quantum structure of space. This allows you to create engines that do not require fuel. The traditional LPR, we repeat once again, has reached its technical ceiling. Its specific thrust does not exceed 0.7 newtons per kilowatt of power, which allows you to put into orbit a cargo of no more than three to five percent of the launch mass. That can't suit us anymore.
We need engines that work on new physical principles that can actively maneuver in the air and space. KvD is a hundred times more economical, more efficient than conventional LPR. This is a revolutionary achievement in space engine building, which cannot but be appreciated.
The task now is to convey our arguments to the leadership of the defense industry, the Ministry of Defense, the President of the Russian Federation. After all, this is a real breakthrough into the future.
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thegopnik wrote:In "The Crown" everything will be different. 16 small engines should surround the ring around the central body of the power plant in the form of a needle. Facing inward nozzles, they will "blow" on it, and the needle will begin to accelerate the gas flow rolling down it. From the altitude of the rocket will depend only on the "behavior" of this jet jet - it will become tighter pressed against the central body or, conversely, detached from it. But this will not require multi-stage from the rocket itself. This is the peculiarity of the future multi-chamber main engine, resembling a crown in its appearance. Its development is carried out in the Ural Interregional Scientific and Educational Center "Advanced Production Technologies and Materials".
Sounds like detonation engine if gas rolls down to accelerate and its returnable, so the crown is a new rocket? sounds like its my 1st time hearing it here.
"The Crown" sounds like an aerospike engine, which has been long considered a candidate for powering an SSTO vehicle. Despite past research, to my knowledge no-one has ever flown such an engine, and it does look like Russians are re-examining the concept - check out previous posts 487 and 503.
Interesting point you make about detonation engines. Using a cluster of such engines for the multiple burners in a large aerospike configuration would greatly improve efficiency and make the idea of a practical SSTO much more realisable.
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thegopnik wrote:https://vpk.name/news/259232_antigravitacii_nashli_rabotu.html
In Russia, a rocket engine has been created, a hundred times more efficient than a liquid engine
This looks like the Russian effort to substantiate the claims by US researchers working on a "EM drive" or "radio frequency (RF) resonant cavity thruster". The Russian team (including the men interviewed here) have a whitepaper published in 2019 on their results: source1 source2
Reading this whitepaper, I'm struck how "agricultural" the test setup is. Using what looks to be a spring-balance to measure thrust? They had hold the instrument by hand to avoid vibrations?
Also note the thrust they are claiming to have achieved! - pulses averaging 1390N, equal to 141kg force, for a power input of 12kW peak.
The paper states:
For comparison, in the EmDrive engine NASA received a specific thrust of 1.2 mN / kW, 1000 times less than that of the KVD-1-2009.
I'm honestly having some issues taking this at face value. It sounds too good to be true, a bit like Cold Fusion...
Edit: Grrr... I stuffed up the edit and accidently removed most of my original post...
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From reading multiple sources it sounds like the physicist with his super-unification theory is having a hard time convincing roscosmos for a hybrid quantum/LPR engine. I hope he does not get ignored or that his knowledge gets sold or given away like Ufimtsev, I am sure some rocket scienitsts have to some level of knowledge regarding physics and hopefully the super-unification theory can be described to them as in not too difficult for them to understand as a higher level of physics.
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thegopnik wrote:From reading multiple sources it sounds like the physicist with his super-unification theory is having a hard time convincing roscosmos for a hybrid quantum/LPR engine. I hope he does not get ignored or that his knowledge gets sold or given away like Ufimtsev, I am sure some rocket scienitsts have to some level of knowledge regarding physics and hopefully the super-unification theory can be described to them as in not too difficult for them to understand as a higher level of physics.
If these guys can demonstrate their claims to the Russian government & military I am sure they will have no issue with getting all the funding they need. If we never hear from them again, that would be a sure-fire confirmation that their theories are not correct...
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Big_Gazza wrote:thegopnik wrote:From reading multiple sources it sounds like the physicist with his super-unification theory is having a hard time convincing roscosmos for a hybrid quantum/LPR engine. I hope he does not get ignored or that his knowledge gets sold or given away like Ufimtsev, I am sure some rocket scienitsts have to some level of knowledge regarding physics and hopefully the super-unification theory can be described to them as in not too difficult for them to understand as a higher level of physics.
If these guys can demonstrate their claims to the Russian government & military I am sure they will have no issue with getting all the funding they need. If we never hear from them again, that would be a sure-fire confirmation that their theories are not correct...
...everything would be fine, but these are snake oil sellers. Vladimir Leonov has been claiming the creation of this engine for more than 20 years, but no evidence of its existence has yet been given. Roscosmos approached him with a proposal: they are ready to provide him with production facilities and provide financing if he shows a working prototype with a controlled experiment that would confirm his statements. But this "inventor" still ignores this proposal. In addition, in his "theory" he claims the presence of a previously undiscovered chemical element, on the basis of which the operation of this engine is possible. In general, I know her, why is this news here - it's a very old fake, which is more than 20 years old.
By the way, the current leadership of Roscosmos has been subjected to a huge amount of criticism for the very fact of contact with Vladimir Leonov. They were accused of having allowed contact with a false scientist, and this was another argument of anti-Rogozin hysterical rhetoric from the opposition:
https://fn-volga.ru/news/view/id/98833
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Scorpius wrote:Big_Gazza wrote:thegopnik wrote:From reading multiple sources it sounds like the physicist with his super-unification theory is having a hard time convincing roscosmos for a hybrid quantum/LPR engine. I hope he does not get ignored or that his knowledge gets sold or given away like Ufimtsev, I am sure some rocket scienitsts have to some level of knowledge regarding physics and hopefully the super-unification theory can be described to them as in not too difficult for them to understand as a higher level of physics.
If these guys can demonstrate their claims to the Russian government & military I am sure they will have no issue with getting all the funding they need. If we never hear from them again, that would be a sure-fire confirmation that their theories are not correct...
...everything would be fine, but these are snake oil sellers. Vladimir Leonov has been claiming the creation of this engine for more than 20 years, but no evidence of its existence has yet been given. Roscosmos approached him with a proposal: they are ready to provide him with production facilities and provide financing if he shows a working prototype with a controlled experiment that would confirm his statements. But this "inventor" still ignores this proposal. In addition, in his "theory" he claims the presence of a previously undiscovered chemical element, on the basis of which the operation of this engine is possible. In general, I know her, why is this news here - it's a very old fake, which is more than 20 years old.
By the way, the current leadership of Roscosmos has been subjected to a huge amount of criticism for the very fact of contact with Vladimir Leonov. They were accused of having allowed contact with a false scientist, and this was another argument of anti-Rogozin hysterical rhetoric from the opposition:
https://fn-volga.ru/news/view/id/98833
If its also true than they would shut the F up about it of running tests and I am assuming they tested the LPR engine and want to test it as a hybrid 1st. Also we do not want another possible tragedy like Ufimtsev information being shared only to have a country test stealth before Russia did with su-57s su-70s and sukhoi LTS. They did give examples of chinas quantum engine and NASAs test but stating they have bigger thrust results in Gazas document. They said the Chinese tested theirs.
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I'm an Engineer not a physicist, so I don't have a head for the math involved, but my personal views are that a reactionless drive system is the Holy Grail of propulsive technologies, the kind of tech that makes aspects of Star Trek a possibility. The fact that such a technology would seem to violate Newtons laws of physics in general (and the principle of conservation of momentum in particular) isn't IMHO a death sentence to the idea as we have other examples of where long held classical physics has been shown to be inadequate, given they breakdown at the very large scale (relativistic effects) or at the atomic level (quantum effects). Who is to say that classical "laws" of momentum are inviolable under certain conditions that don't occur in our every-day experience? Time is linear in our every-day world, but we now know it breaks down in the presence of singularities like black holes. Could other physical "laws" also have such "loop holes"? 
The quantity that we call "mass" is now believed to be (at least by adherents of string theory) a measure of the degree by which a particle interacts with the all-pervading Higgs field. Particles that interact strongly (eg protons/neutrons) have large mass, while those that interact weakly (electrons) are less massive. Particles that don't interact at all (neutrinos) have zero mass. Particles with mass interact at distance with each other, but this force (gravity) is very weak and is only significant for large mass concentrations.
The question that interests me is whether it is possible to develop an artificial field that can interact with the omni-directional Higgs field such that a resultant force can be created? Stated differently, can a field be generated that interacts and distorts the local Higgs field such that the Higgs field exerts a non-uniform influence on massive particles in area of distortion? Could such a distortion impose a generalised force on massive particles and be therefore used to accelerate mass?
As an simple classical analogy, consider an object (spacecraft) suspended in a region of space with a near uniform magnetic field. If the object artificially generates a second magnetic field, the fields interact and a motive force will be generated. (this is indeed the basic principle of electric motors). The force results in an acceleration, therefore a change in momentum of the driven object, but classical physics takes account of this as the change in momentum (mass x velocity) is equaled by the impulse (force x time), and the increase of kinetic energy of the driven object is equaled by the energy pumped into the 2nd magnetic field. Classical laws are therefore observed.
This isn't practical for obvious reasons, but now consider that rather than magnetic fields, we invoke an "unspecified" field that we generate on the object that interacts with the Higgs field (or the fabric of free space, or Dark Energy, or whatever the feck physicists choose to call it) that permeates the entire Universe. Same (or similar) effect occurs, and we achieve a propulsive force, but this will work universally without limit.
The next question in my mind is if such a field interaction is possible, what is the nature of this interaction and where must the energy come from to drive the interaction? In the classical (magnetic) analogy, the object (spacecraft) must provide the energy itself, ie power its own magnetic coil to generate its field, but what if free-space is an energy source that can be tapped, in a similar way to how gravity can transfer energy to a passive body? Could the spacecraft develop a field that interacts with the Higgs field, distort it to generate a resultant force, and then be accelerated by the energy of free space in a similar way as an asteroid picks up energy as it enters the gravity well of a planet? Of course, with gravity, the energy gained by one body is extracted from another with the gravitational field acting as a "medium of exchange", so it is not a "reactionless" system, but what if free-space can be tapped to supply the energy? It is tantalizing to theorize that a vast ocean of limitless energy exists just outside of our perception and physical reach Now consider if it could be tapped somehow?....
Physicists who worship classical laws will recoil from the heresy of such a reactionless drive system, but so what? Medieval scholars believed the world was flat. Renaissance scholars (and the Church) believed that the Earth was the center of the Solar system. Einstein went to his grave refusing to believe in quantum mechanics because "God doesn't roll dice...). Many physicists refused to accept the existence of the Higgs Boson until evidence was discovered by the LHC. Democrats insisted the Russians installed Trump in 2016...
As our understanding of the basic nature of "stuff" expands, we may well discover that our current theories are insufficient to cover all cases, just as Newtonian physics has inadequate to explain relativity or quantum effects. Maybe in the future, humans will look back at the the past era before reactionless technologies the way we do now at the Age of Sail?
Final point: All things considered, I don't think that Mr Leonov has invented a reactionless drive system, and I'm certainly not convinced that some kind of tuned resonant microwave cavity is going to exert an influence on the fabric of space, but that doesn't debunk the concept.
The quantity that we call "mass" is now believed to be (at least by adherents of string theory) a measure of the degree by which a particle interacts with the all-pervading Higgs field. Particles that interact strongly (eg protons/neutrons) have large mass, while those that interact weakly (electrons) are less massive. Particles that don't interact at all (neutrinos) have zero mass. Particles with mass interact at distance with each other, but this force (gravity) is very weak and is only significant for large mass concentrations.
The question that interests me is whether it is possible to develop an artificial field that can interact with the omni-directional Higgs field such that a resultant force can be created? Stated differently, can a field be generated that interacts and distorts the local Higgs field such that the Higgs field exerts a non-uniform influence on massive particles in area of distortion? Could such a distortion impose a generalised force on massive particles and be therefore used to accelerate mass?
As an simple classical analogy, consider an object (spacecraft) suspended in a region of space with a near uniform magnetic field. If the object artificially generates a second magnetic field, the fields interact and a motive force will be generated. (this is indeed the basic principle of electric motors). The force results in an acceleration, therefore a change in momentum of the driven object, but classical physics takes account of this as the change in momentum (mass x velocity) is equaled by the impulse (force x time), and the increase of kinetic energy of the driven object is equaled by the energy pumped into the 2nd magnetic field. Classical laws are therefore observed.
This isn't practical for obvious reasons, but now consider that rather than magnetic fields, we invoke an "unspecified" field that we generate on the object that interacts with the Higgs field (or the fabric of free space, or Dark Energy, or whatever the feck physicists choose to call it) that permeates the entire Universe. Same (or similar) effect occurs, and we achieve a propulsive force, but this will work universally without limit.
The next question in my mind is if such a field interaction is possible, what is the nature of this interaction and where must the energy come from to drive the interaction? In the classical (magnetic) analogy, the object (spacecraft) must provide the energy itself, ie power its own magnetic coil to generate its field, but what if free-space is an energy source that can be tapped, in a similar way to how gravity can transfer energy to a passive body? Could the spacecraft develop a field that interacts with the Higgs field, distort it to generate a resultant force, and then be accelerated by the energy of free space in a similar way as an asteroid picks up energy as it enters the gravity well of a planet? Of course, with gravity, the energy gained by one body is extracted from another with the gravitational field acting as a "medium of exchange", so it is not a "reactionless" system, but what if free-space can be tapped to supply the energy? It is tantalizing to theorize that a vast ocean of limitless energy exists just outside of our perception and physical reach
Now consider if it could be tapped somehow?.... Physicists who worship classical laws will recoil from the heresy of such a reactionless drive system, but so what? Medieval scholars believed the world was flat. Renaissance scholars (and the Church) believed that the Earth was the center of the Solar system. Einstein went to his grave refusing to believe in quantum mechanics because "God doesn't roll dice...). Many physicists refused to accept the existence of the Higgs Boson until evidence was discovered by the LHC. Democrats insisted the Russians installed Trump in 2016...
As our understanding of the basic nature of "stuff" expands, we may well discover that our current theories are insufficient to cover all cases, just as Newtonian physics has inadequate to explain relativity or quantum effects. Maybe in the future, humans will look back at the the past era before reactionless technologies the way we do now at the Age of Sail?
Final point: All things considered, I don't think that Mr Leonov has invented a reactionless drive system, and I'm certainly not convinced that some kind of tuned resonant microwave cavity is going to exert an influence on the fabric of space, but that doesn't debunk the concept.
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Newton's laws are not violated if the propulsion operates on pushing off of space itself. Newton has nothing to say about this potential
movement regime. The problem is finding some sort of coupling with the quantum foam and the virtual particle sea. Zero point energy is
a crock concept since it gets something from nothing. But the virtual particle sea is "real" and that is why we have quantum corrections
to Maxwell's EM equations that give us quantum electro-dynamics (QED). If you scratch at the history of the QED there is a lot
of voodoo since we simply do not understand enough of the physics, but the quantum corrections are empirically justified.
Pushing off the virtual particle sea and potentially the quantum foam at the Planck scale does not violate conservation of energy just like
walking on the sidewalk does not either. Energy has to be expended to walk and to push off some "medium". This is not zero point
energy sci-fi fantasy.
Obviously, no particle and thus no object can push off the quantum foam and virtual particle sea under normal conditions. This is why
we have Newton's laws. But that does not preclude interactions where non-virtual particles couple with virtual ones. We already have
this with QED but it is not ordered since the EM corrections are from virtual particles enveloping any charged particle. We need to
discover new physics to determine if ordered interactions (i.e. pushing off with a vector force) are possible.
The problem is that special relativity (SR) has corrupted physics for over 100 years. The moronic ether-relativist battle form the
late 1800s gave us a political triumph of one of the factions. Both factions were ignorant, arrogant pinheads. If you doubt this,
then consider the "discovery" of the Lorentz equations. They are nothing more than a property of Maxwell's equations since these
equations remain invariant under the Lorentz transform. But even Einstein was trying to derive them from scratch without attribution
to either Maxwell or Lorentz. These "all time greats" were a bunch of wankers. Thanks to SR there is a phobia of treating space as a
medium. No it is not some flowing ether but it is a material entity. It has a volume and variation of the speed of light over long periods
(assume we had some sort of Big Bang even if we don't know much about it) gives the most consistent cosmology that does not require
voodoo such as "inflation" where the universe spontaneously expanded from almost nothing to mind numbing large scale. This is a
Ptolemaic epicycle hack if there ever was one.
In fact, curved space-time can be interpreted as a variation of the speed of light subject to gravity. And the cherry on top of the
physics established wisdom skeptic cake is the specific speed of light. Why this value and not some other value. A real physics question that
the SR cult cannot hope to answer. If we have a quantum foam at the Planck scale then that forces a discussion about a medium. The
quantum foam is the medium. BTW, the Poincare interpretation of the Lorentz transform is fully consistent with all empirical evidence.
It removes all the logical contradictions found in SR that are euphemistically called paradoxes. There is an absolute frame, the one where
the photons live and it is the one which has a speed of zero. All the other frames move and are Lorentz deformed. SR is subjectivist nonsense.
If space is a quantum foam at the Planck scale, then we have whole undiscovered realms smaller than the elementary particle scale. What
are elementary particles? The Standard Model is just a book keeping exercise. It does not explain where this particle zoo comes from. Are
these quantum modons emerging from the quantum space medium? Understanding the link between space and matter-energy that reside
in it is the all time physics question. Modern physics is too busy going through the motions of careerists and group-think cultists to even
begin to explore this question.
movement regime. The problem is finding some sort of coupling with the quantum foam and the virtual particle sea. Zero point energy is
a crock concept since it gets something from nothing. But the virtual particle sea is "real" and that is why we have quantum corrections
to Maxwell's EM equations that give us quantum electro-dynamics (QED). If you scratch at the history of the QED there is a lot
of voodoo since we simply do not understand enough of the physics, but the quantum corrections are empirically justified.
Pushing off the virtual particle sea and potentially the quantum foam at the Planck scale does not violate conservation of energy just like
walking on the sidewalk does not either. Energy has to be expended to walk and to push off some "medium". This is not zero point
energy sci-fi fantasy.
Obviously, no particle and thus no object can push off the quantum foam and virtual particle sea under normal conditions. This is why
we have Newton's laws. But that does not preclude interactions where non-virtual particles couple with virtual ones. We already have
this with QED but it is not ordered since the EM corrections are from virtual particles enveloping any charged particle. We need to
discover new physics to determine if ordered interactions (i.e. pushing off with a vector force) are possible.
The problem is that special relativity (SR) has corrupted physics for over 100 years. The moronic ether-relativist battle form the
late 1800s gave us a political triumph of one of the factions. Both factions were ignorant, arrogant pinheads. If you doubt this,
then consider the "discovery" of the Lorentz equations. They are nothing more than a property of Maxwell's equations since these
equations remain invariant under the Lorentz transform. But even Einstein was trying to derive them from scratch without attribution
to either Maxwell or Lorentz. These "all time greats" were a bunch of wankers. Thanks to SR there is a phobia of treating space as a
medium. No it is not some flowing ether but it is a material entity. It has a volume and variation of the speed of light over long periods
(assume we had some sort of Big Bang even if we don't know much about it) gives the most consistent cosmology that does not require
voodoo such as "inflation" where the universe spontaneously expanded from almost nothing to mind numbing large scale. This is a
Ptolemaic epicycle hack if there ever was one.
In fact, curved space-time can be interpreted as a variation of the speed of light subject to gravity. And the cherry on top of the
physics established wisdom skeptic cake is the specific speed of light. Why this value and not some other value. A real physics question that
the SR cult cannot hope to answer. If we have a quantum foam at the Planck scale then that forces a discussion about a medium. The
quantum foam is the medium. BTW, the Poincare interpretation of the Lorentz transform is fully consistent with all empirical evidence.
It removes all the logical contradictions found in SR that are euphemistically called paradoxes. There is an absolute frame, the one where
the photons live and it is the one which has a speed of zero. All the other frames move and are Lorentz deformed. SR is subjectivist nonsense.
If space is a quantum foam at the Planck scale, then we have whole undiscovered realms smaller than the elementary particle scale. What
are elementary particles? The Standard Model is just a book keeping exercise. It does not explain where this particle zoo comes from. Are
these quantum modons emerging from the quantum space medium? Understanding the link between space and matter-energy that reside
in it is the all time physics question. Modern physics is too busy going through the motions of careerists and group-think cultists to even
begin to explore this question.
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Russia obviously possesses engineers whom time and time again have created many projects that the west has yet to pursue or develop even with limited funding. But their engineers cant compete knowing more about physics than the physicists with PhDs in their respective field. For example I am sure they are all under alot of mental stress as it is designing nuclear reactor/mpd rockets, aerospike engines, detonation engines, closed circuit engines with 10 times burn time according to mindstorms old post, methane vtol and flywing minauture rockets, etc. Of course there are some arguements made by the west that Russia does not have a starship equivalent therefore behind on rocket technology, than the Chinese show a similiar starship system and they have barely scratched the surface on reaching the same level of passed acheivements by the U.S. and soviets which makes the starship seem less of a spectacular design, its like creating a project your proud of at a school science fair only to realize the special ed kid that sits next to you is able to do the same thing. There is no uniqueness equivalent to the Russians that I could find.
Sure an HVAC technician has some grasp of plumbing and electrical troubleshooting but there are things they cant do if they are not trained on doing like dealing with 1000 volts instead of the usual, 24 volt, 120 volt or 240 volt systems. In other words is Roscosmos willing in creating another design department for this or they are constrained with their current budget proposals on so many different projects? Those physicists are not idiots and do make some valid points like the Chinese testing such systems in space but not to the scale they have tested. I am not even going to try to grasp how Leonovs super-unification theory works. But I absolutely dont like it when other jagoffs not only ignore but insult them on their attempts by calling them idiots for how dare they oppose the laws of physics https://lenta-ru.translate.goog/articles/2019/04/12/russianbreakthrough/?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=nui,sc
current issue from quote.
V. L.: Our engineers, as well as officials, unfortunately, do not yet know the nature of gravity and antigravity, what are relativistic and quantum pulses, what is their difference from the classical force pulse. It's not their fault – that's how they were taught. But officials make decisions. And our task is to convince them of the need to develop quantum engines for space at the state level. It should be noted that new technologies, in addition to military use, give a huge commercial effect. The profit for the state will be huge. Thus, the low-orbital cellular network we offer will give $ 200 billion, providing reliable communication throughout the country and the planet. To do this, we need relay satellites that can be kept in low orbits with the help of small quantum motors when powered by solar panels.
Its not just leonov but multiple physicists that support his idea. this is also the problem they are stating with Roscosmos
Something is already being done. In December 2016, the work schedule and the ToR "Development and bench tests of an experimental sample of a pulsed antigravity quantum engine (KVD)" were agreed. The toR was agreed and signed by the FSUE Khrunichev Federal Scientific and Production Center, the Maximov Research Institute of Space Systems with the assistance of the Board of the Military-Industrial Commission under the Government of the Russian Federation. However, funding for agreed topics has not been opened for an unknown reason. Moreover, Roscosmos begins to abandon this work, focusing on the so-called tsar-engine, which in fact is a modernization of the old RD-180 with a specific thrust force of 0.655 N / kW. This is 175 times worse than that of a prototype quantum engine (115 N/kW). Such trampling on the spot leads to a loss of time and finances.
Professor Georgy Kostin, former director and deputy chief designer of the Voronezh Mechanical Plant (VMZ), where rocket engines are made, proposed to start work with the development of hybrid engines (LRD + KvD). In this embodiment, the electricity supply of the quantum engine is carried out from an electric generator installed on the same shaft with the pumping unit of the LPR. This will reduce the fuel consumption of the launch vehicle by three to four times, lighten its launch weight and increase the payload. Kostin's proposal was supported by the Director of VMZ and the General Director of RSC Energia. But someone didn't like it. Professor Kostin, Director of VMZ and General Director of RSC Energia, are dismissed from the VMZ.
Leonov's group also proposed a project of a heavy space platform with four KvD with a thrust of 100 tons each. Starting weight – 380 tons. The payload put into orbit of 500 kilometers is 180 tons. Fuel consumption – 25 tons (hydrogen – oxygen). But the project, even without discussion, was rejected, because, they say, Roscosmos is already working on a heavy rocket with a launch weight of three thousand tons and a payload of 105 tons. Compare these indicators and draw your own conclusions. There is a danger that we will forever lag behind the United States and China in this direction.
Sadly Roscosmos is not willing to disclose exactly why they do not want to pursue it such as do they have the financial resources to fund their engine project proposals? Do the current people in charge rejecting their projects have old school mentality of physics but not to the level of Leonovs group to try something different? This problem has happened before with Ufimtsev only until some years later they finally decided designing stealth aircrafts, do they have too many of their engineers focusing on too many projects to get Leonovs group any considereation for trying something new to what they are already pursuing with their ahnds full. This isnt a smear campaign or anything like that on Rogozin from what I am reading here, They had Alexander Kubasov (RSC Energia) be a part of their quantum engine test in 2018. I am hearing positivity from one russian rocket engine corporation Energia, Roscosmos demands a test sample but dont test samples require funding that Leonov's group might not have which is why they begged rocsmosmos in the 1st place for funding? Or is Leonov's group more limitied to knowledge of physics and what roscosmos is demanding is something engineering design related which they have less experience on? Its now the HVAC technician demanding the electrician to show some knowledge of plumbing which they have to learn to find out......Overall this more of a you cant teach an old dog new tricks kind of problem and the quantum engine is more of a pain in the ass than nuklon which itself requires new fundamental knowledge of designing ion engines with advanced technology of nuclear minauturization which requires expertise in the nuclear field so there has to be some form of harmony in bringing different experts in different fields to work under the same roof.
Sure an HVAC technician has some grasp of plumbing and electrical troubleshooting but there are things they cant do if they are not trained on doing like dealing with 1000 volts instead of the usual, 24 volt, 120 volt or 240 volt systems. In other words is Roscosmos willing in creating another design department for this or they are constrained with their current budget proposals on so many different projects? Those physicists are not idiots and do make some valid points like the Chinese testing such systems in space but not to the scale they have tested. I am not even going to try to grasp how Leonovs super-unification theory works. But I absolutely dont like it when other jagoffs not only ignore but insult them on their attempts by calling them idiots for how dare they oppose the laws of physics https://lenta-ru.translate.goog/articles/2019/04/12/russianbreakthrough/?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=nui,sc
current issue from quote.
V. L.: Our engineers, as well as officials, unfortunately, do not yet know the nature of gravity and antigravity, what are relativistic and quantum pulses, what is their difference from the classical force pulse. It's not their fault – that's how they were taught. But officials make decisions. And our task is to convince them of the need to develop quantum engines for space at the state level. It should be noted that new technologies, in addition to military use, give a huge commercial effect. The profit for the state will be huge. Thus, the low-orbital cellular network we offer will give $ 200 billion, providing reliable communication throughout the country and the planet. To do this, we need relay satellites that can be kept in low orbits with the help of small quantum motors when powered by solar panels.
Its not just leonov but multiple physicists that support his idea. this is also the problem they are stating with Roscosmos
Something is already being done. In December 2016, the work schedule and the ToR "Development and bench tests of an experimental sample of a pulsed antigravity quantum engine (KVD)" were agreed. The toR was agreed and signed by the FSUE Khrunichev Federal Scientific and Production Center, the Maximov Research Institute of Space Systems with the assistance of the Board of the Military-Industrial Commission under the Government of the Russian Federation. However, funding for agreed topics has not been opened for an unknown reason. Moreover, Roscosmos begins to abandon this work, focusing on the so-called tsar-engine, which in fact is a modernization of the old RD-180 with a specific thrust force of 0.655 N / kW. This is 175 times worse than that of a prototype quantum engine (115 N/kW). Such trampling on the spot leads to a loss of time and finances.
Professor Georgy Kostin, former director and deputy chief designer of the Voronezh Mechanical Plant (VMZ), where rocket engines are made, proposed to start work with the development of hybrid engines (LRD + KvD). In this embodiment, the electricity supply of the quantum engine is carried out from an electric generator installed on the same shaft with the pumping unit of the LPR. This will reduce the fuel consumption of the launch vehicle by three to four times, lighten its launch weight and increase the payload. Kostin's proposal was supported by the Director of VMZ and the General Director of RSC Energia. But someone didn't like it. Professor Kostin, Director of VMZ and General Director of RSC Energia, are dismissed from the VMZ.
Leonov's group also proposed a project of a heavy space platform with four KvD with a thrust of 100 tons each. Starting weight – 380 tons. The payload put into orbit of 500 kilometers is 180 tons. Fuel consumption – 25 tons (hydrogen – oxygen). But the project, even without discussion, was rejected, because, they say, Roscosmos is already working on a heavy rocket with a launch weight of three thousand tons and a payload of 105 tons. Compare these indicators and draw your own conclusions. There is a danger that we will forever lag behind the United States and China in this direction.
Sadly Roscosmos is not willing to disclose exactly why they do not want to pursue it such as do they have the financial resources to fund their engine project proposals? Do the current people in charge rejecting their projects have old school mentality of physics but not to the level of Leonovs group to try something different? This problem has happened before with Ufimtsev only until some years later they finally decided designing stealth aircrafts, do they have too many of their engineers focusing on too many projects to get Leonovs group any considereation for trying something new to what they are already pursuing with their ahnds full. This isnt a smear campaign or anything like that on Rogozin from what I am reading here, They had Alexander Kubasov (RSC Energia) be a part of their quantum engine test in 2018. I am hearing positivity from one russian rocket engine corporation Energia, Roscosmos demands a test sample but dont test samples require funding that Leonov's group might not have which is why they begged rocsmosmos in the 1st place for funding? Or is Leonov's group more limitied to knowledge of physics and what roscosmos is demanding is something engineering design related which they have less experience on? Its now the HVAC technician demanding the electrician to show some knowledge of plumbing which they have to learn to find out......Overall this more of a you cant teach an old dog new tricks kind of problem and the quantum engine is more of a pain in the ass than nuklon which itself requires new fundamental knowledge of designing ion engines with advanced technology of nuclear minauturization which requires expertise in the nuclear field so there has to be some form of harmony in bringing different experts in different fields to work under the same roof.
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Refueling of the # ExpressAMU3 spacecraft with fuel and compressed gases has been completed at Baikonur
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Inspection of solar batteries of the Progress M-UM spacecraft-module
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At the technical complex of the Baikonur cosmodrome, pre-flight preparation of the Progress M-UM transport cargo module (TGKM) with the Pryhal nodal module (UM) continues. Today, in the assembly and test building of site 254, a planned operation of the control illumination of the solar batteries of the onboard power supply system of the module ship took place.
To check the functioning of the solar batteries, RSC Energia specialists performed standard deployment of solar panels and their artificial irradiation with powerful lamps for the control reading of the parameters of the electrical circuit of solar energy converters. In addition, the preparation of cargo and equipment intended for delivery to the ISS in a sealed volume of the Prichal UM is currently being completed.
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Here is something positive... stumbled across this the other day.... a mythbuster evaluating the Soviet space suit in comparison to the US equivalent of the time period... quite nice when they set politics aside and just look at technology from an engineering point of view...
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Big_Gazza wrote: When the sun finally starts to burn helium and enter her "red giant" phase (ie in about 5 billion years), we ain't gonna be around. Even if "humanity" manages to survive in some form, we will be unrecognizable and utterly unlike our current forms, and we'll likely have exhausted the planets supply on non-renewable resources l:
Even faster. In about 1 billion years, the temperature of the sun will rise enough that the oceans will evaporate on the earth. Perhaps only the most primitive life will survive.
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Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #4
GunshipDemocracy Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:05 am
Arrow wrote:Big_Gazza wrote: When the sun finally starts to burn helium and enter her "red giant" phase (ie in about 5 billion years), we ain't gonna be around. Even if "humanity" manages to survive in some form, we will be unrecognizable and utterly unlike our current forms, and we'll likely have exhausted the planets supply on non-renewable resources l:
Even faster. In about 1 billion years, the temperature of the sun will rise enough that the oceans will evaporate on the earth. Perhaps only the most primitive life will survive.
so journos and some volcanic bacteria will survive after all?
BTW human civilization exists 5-6 thousands of years and you are and you are talking about well billions of years ahead ? ekhm
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Some of the basics for survival were developed very quickly but the new stuff builds on new stuff, so for instance you could probably go 1,000 years and find not much progress around the different parts of the world 5 thousand years ago, but now you could go 100 years and be amazed at the progress...
150 years ago there was no fixed wing aircraft flight... within the life of one person we went from first airplane to first man in orbit and then first man on the moon...
As long as we don't kill ourselves and if we could get rid of western colonialism and develop as an entire planet together rather than infighting and sanctions holding areas we don't like back and down then we could make some really serious progress...
Or we might just develop nanobot sized robots that kill all living things that get out of control.
150 years ago there was no fixed wing aircraft flight... within the life of one person we went from first airplane to first man in orbit and then first man on the moon...
As long as we don't kill ourselves and if we could get rid of western colonialism and develop as an entire planet together rather than infighting and sanctions holding areas we don't like back and down then we could make some really serious progress...
Or we might just develop nanobot sized robots that kill all living things that get out of control.
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3.1 Research objectives
Development of proposals, recommendations, requirements, emerging technologies, components and systems for rocket and space equipment, providing a solid implementation of a manned flight to the moon, and the work of astronauts in lunar orbit and the lunar surface, taking into account the need to address biomedical problems, including:
development of projects of tactical and technical specifications for development work to design spacecraft for manned missions to the moon and circumlunar space in program period;
development of projects of tactical and technical tasks for experimental design work on the creation of manned space infrastructure for the development and use of near-Earth space and to ensure the implementation of manned flights to the Moon;
development of the technical appearance and tactical and technical requirements for a spacesuit for extravehicular activity on the surface of the Moon;
development of the technical appearance and tactical and technical requirements for manned vehicles on the surface of the Moon;
development of proposals for the creation of partially reusable funds lunar manned transport infrastructure;
implementation of the roadmap for managing risks to human health and performance in terms of diagnostic, prevention and treatment tools to ensure the solution of the problem of lunar exploration.
3.2 Tasks, the solution of which ensures the achievement of the set
goals
3.2.1 Tasks in the direction of "Development of projects of tactical and technical tasks for experimental design work on the creation of space assets for manned flights to the Moon"
3.2.1.1 Formation of a rational option for the implementation of the target
programs for the creation of space assets for manned flights, taking into account the
tasks of manned cosmonautics and the forecast of the development of the rocket and space
industry.
3.2.1.2 Development of a draft tactical and technical task for experimental design work "Rocket and space complex with a small manned transport vehicle and a heavy-
class launch vehicle".
3.2.1.3 Development of a draft tactical and technical task for experimental design work "Small manned transport ship".
3.2.1.4 Development of a draft tactical and technical task for experimental design work "Rocket and space complex with a small lunar take-off and landing vehicle and a heavy-class launch vehicle".
3.2.1.5 Development of a draft tactical and technical task for experimental design work "Small lunar take-off and landing ship".
3.2.1.6 Development of a draft tactical and technical task for experimental design work "A rocket and space complex with a lunar cargo landing vehicle and a heavy-class launch vehicle".
3.2.1.7 Development of a draft tactical and technical task for the development work "Lunar cargo landing ship".
3.2.1.8 Development of a draft tactical and technical task for experimental design work "Complex of scientific equipment".
3.2.1.9 Development of a draft tactical and technical task for experimental design work "Rocket and space complex with a manned
transport ship and a superheavy class launch vehicle".
3.2.1.10 Development of a draft tactical and technical task for experimental design work "Rocket and space complex with a lunar take-off and landing vehicle and a superheavy class launch vehicle".
3.2.1.11 Development of a draft tactical and technical task for experimental design work "Lunar take-off and landing ship".
3.2.1.12 Development of the draft tactical and technical task for the development work "Lunokhod-builder".
3.2.1.13 Development of the draft tactical and technical task for the development work "Habitable module of the lunar base".
3.2.1.14 the development of the draft technical specifications for experimental design work "Energy module lunar base."
3.2.2 tasks in the direction of "Development projects tactical and technical specifications for development work on creation of space vehicles manned infrastructure to ensure the implementation of manned flights to the moon"
3.2.2.1 the development of the draft technical specifications for experimental design work "Space complex "Russian space station".
3.2.2.2 Development of the draft tactical and technical task for the development work "Orbital complex "Russian Orbital Station".
3.2.2.3 Development of the draft tactical and technical task for the development work "Space complex "Russian orbital Station with a free-flying module".
3.2.2.4 Development of a draft tactical and technical task for experimental design work "Rocket and space complex with a ship module and a gateway module".
3.2.2.5 Development of a draft tactical and technical task for experimental design work "Transport and cargo ship module with a gateway module".
3.2.2.6 Development of the draft tactical and technical task for the development work "The base unit of the Russian orbital Station".
3.2.2.7 Development of the draft tactical and technical task for the development work "Rocket and space complex with the Base unit of the Russian orbital Station".
3.2.2.8 Development of a draft tactical and technical task for experimental design work "Rocket and space complex with a transport and cargo ship module and a transformable module".
3.2.2.9 Development of a draft tactical and technical task for experimental design work "Transport and cargo ship-module with a transformable module".
3.2.2.10 Development of the draft tactical and technical task for the development work "On-board centrifuge of short radius".
3.2.2.11 Development of a draft tactical and technical task for experimental design work "Rocket and space complex with a free-flying module".
3.2.2.12 Development of the draft tactical and technical task for the development work "Free-flying module".
3.2.2.13 Development of the draft tactical and technical task for the development work "Rocket and space complex with laboratory module".
3.2.2.14 Development of a draft tactical and technical task for experimental design work "Laboratory module".
3.2.2.15 Development of a draft tactical and technical task for experimental design work "Rocket and space complex with a transport and cargo ship module and a universal node module".
3.2.2.16 Development of a draft tactical and technical task for experimental design work "Transport and cargo ship module with a universal node module".
3.2.2.17 Development of a draft tactical and technical task for experimental design work "Rocket and space complex with a transport and cargo ship-module and a module–slipway".
3.2.2.18 the development of the draft technical specifications for design and experimental work of "Transport–a cargo ship–module and module–stapel".
3.2.3 Tasks on the subject "Development of the technical aspect and the tactical and technical requirements for the Eva spacesuit on the surface of the moon."
3.2.3.1 the Development of proposals for the design appearance and specifications of the Eva spacesuit on the surface of the moon.
3.2.3.2 Development of a roadmap of key technologies for creating a spacesuit for extravehicular activity on the surface of the Moon.
3.2.3.3 Experimental studies using the ventilation layout of the spacesuit in order to clarify the design appearance and technical characteristics of the spacesuit for
extravehicular activity on the surface of the Moon.
3.2.3.4 Development of a draft tactical and technical task for experimental design work "Spacesuit for extravehicular activity on the surface of the Moon".
3.2.4 Tasks in the direction of "Development of technical appearance and tactical and technical requirements for manned vehicles on the surface of the Moon".
3.2.4.1 Development of basic technical requirements for a manned lunar rover for use at various stages of exploration and exploration of the Moon. Development of basic technical requirements for the space infrastructure that ensures the functioning of a manned lunar rover for use at various stages of exploration and exploration of the Moon.
3.2.4.2 Development of proposals on the composition and main technical characteristics of a manned lunar rover for use at various stages of exploration and exploration of the Moon.
3.2.4.3 Development of a draft roadmap for the development of key technologies for the creation of a manned lunar rover to solve the problems of exploration and exploration of the Moon.
3.2.4.4 Development of proposals for solving problematic issues of creating a manned lunar rover to solve the problems of exploration and exploration of the Moon.
3.2.4.5 Development of a draft tactical and technical task for the experimental design work "Manned unpressurized lunar rover".
3.2.5 Tasks in the direction of "Development of proposals for the creation of partially reusable means of lunar manned transport infrastructure".
3.2.5L Development of proposals on the nomenclature of partially reusable means and basic tactical and technical requirements for partially reusable means of space infrastructure for the implementation of manned flights to the Moon, to ensure the safe stay and work of astronauts in lunar orbit and on the surface of the Moon.
3.2.5.2 Development of a draft roadmap of key technologies for the creation of partially reusable space infrastructure facilities for the implementation of manned flights to the surface of the Moon.
3.2.5.3 Development of proposals for solving problematic issues of creating partially reusable space infrastructure facilities for the implementation of manned flights to the surface of the Moon.
3.2.5.4 Investigation of problematic issues of disposal of spent elements of the transport space infrastructure.
3.2.6 Tasks in the direction of "Implementation of the roadmap for managing risks to human health and performance in terms of diagnostic, prevention and treatment tools to ensure the solution of the problem of lunar exploration".
3.2.6.1 the development of the draft technical specifications for design and experimental work of "Medical diagnostic and treatment styling, including urgent care, designed for use in the composition of PTK–M, LITC–M, PTC and LVPK (OKR "Stacking").
3.2.6.2 Development of requirements for diagnostic tools for the health and working capacity of crew members of lunar expeditions to ensure the solution of problems of exploration and exploration of the Moon.
3.2.6.3 Development of a draft technical specification for the means of preventing the effects of harmful factors of outer space during the implementation of manned lunar expeditions.
The contract with a term of execution until November 2025 was signed with the contractor, who became TsNIIMash. The information is publicly available.
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Refueling of the cargo ship-module "Progress M-UM"
At the Baikonur cosmodrome, in accordance with the decision of the technical management, the Progress M-UM transport cargo module (TGKM) with the Prichal nodal module (UM) was delivered to the filling station.
Before being transported to the refueling and neutralization station, the module ship underwent control weighing, balancing and upon completion of preparatory measures went to site 31. This morning, specialists from RSC Energia and specialized enterprises of Roscosmos started work on refueling the Progress M-UM TGCM with fuel components and compressed nitrogen of the combined propulsion system's fuel supply system. After the completion of refueling operations, the module ship will return to site 254 for the final stage of pre-flight preparation.
https://www.energia.ru/ru/news/news-2021/news_11-11_1.html
At the Baikonur cosmodrome, in accordance with the decision of the technical management, the Progress M-UM transport cargo module (TGKM) with the Prichal nodal module (UM) was delivered to the filling station.
Before being transported to the refueling and neutralization station, the module ship underwent control weighing, balancing and upon completion of preparatory measures went to site 31. This morning, specialists from RSC Energia and specialized enterprises of Roscosmos started work on refueling the Progress M-UM TGCM with fuel components and compressed nitrogen of the combined propulsion system's fuel supply system. After the completion of refueling operations, the module ship will return to site 254 for the final stage of pre-flight preparation.
https://www.energia.ru/ru/news/news-2021/news_11-11_1.html
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