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    Russian Ground Forces: News #1

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    Post  Viktor Sun Feb 16, 2014 9:32 pm

    Russian army receives 4500 GLONASS devices  russia 

    New "Grot-M" in the military

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    Post  TR1 Sun Feb 16, 2014 9:46 pm

    http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2014/02/2.html

    Wow. Reason those 3 soldiers died in the tank explosion is a factory defect.
    The defect was a crack in the gun, specifically in the breech.


    And a nice photo from UVZ, looks old though.

    https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t31/1912479_585925421503673_1965657640_o.jpg


    EDIT: Take it with a big pinch of salt. Russian forums are questioning the details of the report.
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    Post  TheArmenian Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:44 am

    TR1 wrote:
    And a nice photo from UVZ, looks old though.

    https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t31/1912479_585925421503673_1965657640_o.jpg


    Photo is not from UVZ. It is from Kurganmashzavod.
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    Post  Austin Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:39 pm

    Was this posted before

    Layouts 2S35 Coalition SV

    http://twower.livejournal.com/888964.html
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    Post  zg18 Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:12 am

    Nice photo report from Tver missile brigade Armed with "Smerch"

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    http://jury-tver.livejournal.com/175208.html
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    Post  Zivo Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:21 am

    New ground radar developed.

    32 km range

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    "[...] Digital signal processing algorithm is capable to adapt to clutter and interference environment and enables detection of moving targets and bursts of artillery shells and mortar bombs."

    http://www.npostrela.com/en/products/new-dev/104/267/
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    Post  AlfaT8 Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:39 am

    Russia to Adopt ‘Future Soldier’ Gear in Summer
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    Finally!!  attack 
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    Post  George1 Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:12 pm

    What’s Been Bought

    It’s usually challenging to discover what the Russian military bought in any given year. But it’s somewhat easier now that procurement is increasing.

    On January 14, Defense Minister Sergey Shoygu reviewed 2013 procurement in a year-opening videoconference.

    He indicated that GOZ-2013 was fulfilled at 96 percent for RDT&E, 93 percent for armament and military equipment purchases, and 91 percent for repairs and servicing. Purchases increased by 70 percent over 2012.

    Beyond that no details.

    If Shoygu’s scant and statistical, Topwar.ru’s Kirill Ryabov rescues us.

    Ryabov says GOZ-2013 amounted to 1.45 trillion rubles, two-thirds more than 2012. Roughly the same accounting as Shoygu’s 70 percent. But Ryabov’s also tracked what was bought. He doesn’t give full citations for his data. But it’s a working list.

    He starts with air defense:

    6 S-400 SAM battalions.
    6 Pantsir-S1 missile-gun systems (ZRPKs).
    24 Tor-M1-2U SAMs (SA-15 upgrade).
    12 Tunguska ZRPKs.

    More than 300 combat and support vehicles for the Ground Troops, including:

    2 Iskander-M SSM brigades (107th in the Eastern and 1st in the Southern MD).
    54 BTR-82A APCs.
    12 BMO-T flamethrowers.
    90 Tornado and Grad MLRS.
    20 Khosta SP guns.
    40 Msta-S SP howitzers.
    16 Zoopark counterbattery radars.
    16 Leyer-2 EW systems.
    10 Redut-2US communications systems.


    And reportedly more than 5,200 other vehicles and automobiles.

    http://russiandefpolicy.wordpress.com/2014/01/17/whats-been-bought/
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    Post  Viktor Fri Mar 14, 2014 12:13 am

    These are massive exercises .... (air defense, regional, aviation, VDV ...  Shocked  Very Happy )


    "Grad", "Hurricane" and "Tornado" will take part in exercises in JUVO

    Assembly will employ approximately 8500 artillery and multiple rocket launchers "Grad-M", "Hurricane," "Twister," howitzer "MSTA-S" self-propelled artillery "Nona", anti-tank guns "Rapier".
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    Post  Viktor Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:03 pm

    Interesting article from Charly blog about Russian army communications

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    http://charly015.blogspot.com/2014/03/la-gran-diferencia-entre-el-soldado_14.html
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    Post  TR1 Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:08 am

    Russian Ground Forces: News #1 - Page 32 F_ZGV2Mi52cGstbmV3cy5ydS9zaXRlcy9kZWZhdWx0L2ZpbGVzL3N0eWxlcy9nYWxsZXJ5Zm9ybWF0dGVyX3NsaWRlL3B1YmxpYy9waG90b2dyYXBocy8yMDEyLzA0LzA2L0ZDMFU4OTY0LkpQRz9fX2lkPTQ4MTQ4

    Photo from Kurganmash.
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    Post  AlfaT8 Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:15 am

    TR1 wrote:Russian Ground Forces: News #1 - Page 32 F_ZGV2Mi52cGstbmV3cy5ydS9zaXRlcy9kZWZhdWx0L2ZpbGVzL3N0eWxlcy9nYWxsZXJ5Zm9ybWF0dGVyX3NsaWRlL3B1YmxpYy9waG90b2dyYXBocy8yMDEyLzA0LzA2L0ZDMFU4OTY0LkpQRz9fX2lkPTQ4MTQ4

    Photo from Kurganmash.
    BMP-3Ms or BMD-4Ms??
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    Post  TR1 Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:47 am

    BMP-3.

    They are still working on the BMD-4M and Rakushka production hall, so it is a separate space.

    Also the BMD-4 uses a Bakcha-U turret, much more angular.
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    Post  flamming_python Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:30 am

    Those B3s are at least as good as the B(M) 1989 mod. right?
    K-5 armour?

    And they are still making BMP-3s?
    I though production was wrapped up ahead of the Kurganets-25 introduction?
    Or is this for an export order?
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    Post  TR1 Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:02 pm

    T-72 in 1989 had nothing as good as Sosna-U (actually, nothing on the planet at the time did Wink ) , so yeah it is better.
    No Relikt sadly yet.
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    Post  medo Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:31 pm

    TR1 wrote:Russian Ground Forces: News #1 - Page 32 F_ZGV2Mi52cGstbmV3cy5ydS9zaXRlcy9kZWZhdWx0L2ZpbGVzL3N0eWxlcy9nYWxsZXJ5Zm9ybWF0dGVyX3NsaWRlL3B1YmxpYy9waG90b2dyYXBocy8yMDEyLzA0LzA2L0ZDMFU4OTY0LkpQRz9fX2lkPTQ4MTQ4

    Photo from Kurganmash.

    For domestic customer or for export?
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    Post  TR1 Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:32 pm

    No domestic purchases right now AFAIK.
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    Post  TR1 Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:55 am

    http://www.vestnik-rm.ru/news-4-7813.htm

    40 new Ural-4320 trucks have been delivered to Russian forces in Tajikistan.
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    Post  AlfaT8 Sat Mar 29, 2014 4:21 pm

    New Arctic camo looks interesting.
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    http://englishrussia.com/2014/03/28/new-polar-climate-uniform-for-russian-frontiers/
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    Post  Austin Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:17 pm

    Can some one tell me what Rogzin is telling in this interview ?

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    Post  AlfaT8 Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:49 pm

    Interesting article:
    What America Can Learn From Russia's Cheap But Deadly T90 Tank
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    Interesting look in the mentality of U.S defense industry and there budgetary problems.  study 
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    Post  GarryB Mon Mar 31, 2014 12:56 pm

    A few errors there Alpha... an APFSDS round does not turn the inside of a tank into an oven... the white hot sparks and metal fragments and vapour on the other hand can be lethal in inhaled by the crew and of course pose a serious fire risk for fuel, and ammo.

    Second, the T-80 was a fuel guzzler, though all large tank engines burn a lot of fuel. Late model T-80s had 1,250hp engines too.

    Also it is wrong to describe the T-90 as being a T-72 hull with a T-80 turret fitted to it.

    Very simply the T-72 was the cheap mass production tank that was supposed to replace all the T-54/55 and T-62 and older vehicles still in the inventory.

    The T-80 was the quality tank to create gaps in the enemy front for the T-72s to flow through.

    At the end of the day the T-90 is a T-72 with the useful high tech upgrades fitted to it, but it retains a few critical things like the underfloor autoloader which makes it much safer when penetrated than the autoloader arrangement on the T-80.

    Armata MBT, Kurganets MBT, Boomerang MBT and Typhoon MBT will further improve crew safety by moving them away from all fuel and ammo and protecting them under the heaviest armour on the vehicle.
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    Post  AlfaT8 Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:12 pm

    GarryB wrote:A few errors there Alpha... an APFSDS round does not turn the inside of a tank into an oven... the white hot sparks and metal fragments and vapour on the other hand can be lethal in inhaled by the crew and of course pose a serious fire risk for fuel, and ammo.

    Second, the T-80 was a fuel guzzler, though all large tank engines burn a lot of fuel. Late model T-80s had 1,250hp engines too.

    Also it is wrong to describe the T-90 as being a T-72 hull with a T-80 turret fitted to it.

    Very simply the T-72 was the cheap mass production tank that was supposed to replace all the T-54/55 and T-62 and older vehicles still in the inventory.

    The T-80 was the quality tank to create gaps in the enemy front for the T-72s to flow through.

    At the end of the day the T-90 is a T-72 with the useful high tech upgrades fitted to it, but it retains a few critical things like the underfloor autoloader which makes it much safer when penetrated than the autoloader arrangement on the T-80.

    Armata MBT, will further improve crew safety by moving them away from all fuel and ammo and protecting them under the heaviest armour on the vehicle.

    Fully agreed Garry, i was fully aware of the article's deficiencies, but as i mentioned in my post, it was his thoughts about the mentality of the U.S Defense industry/DoD and the consequences of this mentality with respects to there defense budget that intrigued me.

    With respects to the Armata project, i was not aware that Kurganets, Boomerang and Typhoon would all have MBT variants, i thought Kurganets was to replace the BMPs, Boomerang was for BTRs and maybe BMDs and Typhoon was for 2S19-Msta ??
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    Post  GarryB Tue Apr 01, 2014 4:04 am

    Fully agreed Garry, i was fully aware of the article's deficiencies,

    Sorry... didn't mean to imply the mistakes were yours....  Embarassed 



    With respects to the Armata project, i was not aware that Kurganets, Boomerang and Typhoon would all have MBT variants, i thought Kurganets was to replace the BMPs, Boomerang was for BTRs and maybe BMDs and Typhoon was for 2S19-Msta ??

    A common mistake to think Armata is a tank, Kurganets is the new IFV (BMP/BMD), Boomerang is the new APC (BTR-82) and that Typhoon is the new light patrol vehicle (BRDM)

    Heavy brigades will be equipped with ONLY Armata vehicles... so every vehicle in a  heavy brigades will be Armata based. This means the logistics tail for that brigade is small because one engine type, same transmission and gearing, main components all the same.

    In operational terms it also means that all the vehicles will have similar levels of protection and mobility so the enemy wont be able to pick off the IFVs and APCs and leave the tanks vulnerable to infantry attack.

    There will be heavy brigades with armata vehicles, medium tracked brigades with Kurganets, medium wheeled brigades with Boomerang, and light brigades with typhoon vehicles.

    Each vehicle in each brigade will have a weapon and sensor suite like an aircraft, so there will be a MBT suite of equipment that will be fitted to all MBTs... of course the 10-15 ton Typhoon light wheeled MBT vehicle might be fitted with a 57mm main gun rather than a 125mm main gun, but it will have all the sensors and ballistic computers and electronics as the MBT version of the armata MBT. The IFV (BMP/BMD) version of the Armata might have a high velocity 57mm main gun for dealing with enemy IFVs plus Kornet-EM long range ATGMs for dealing with heavier armour... the kurganets IFV and the boomerang IFV might have the same gun but the Typhoon IFV might have a 30mm cannon instead so that there is enough space in the vehicle for troops (to make it an IFV rather than a light tank).

    The vast majority of Russian armoured forces will be highly mobile wheeled vehicles, but then a division might include  heavy, medium, and light brigades for different uses.

    Division level artillery would include Koalition artillery based on trucks or non standard chassis... but with the new rocket artillery getting rocket flight range increases and Koalition firing guided shells 70km the division vehicles should be able to support light brigades operating well away from the base the division is based at.

    Each vehicle family includes all the vehicle types in a division so there are MBTs, IFVs, APCs, Engineering vehicles, Command vehicles, Air Defence Vehicles, tube and rocket artillery vehicles, recon vehicles, ambulance vehicles, mortar carriers, etc etc

    that means for every vehicle type there will be Armata versions, Kurganets versions, Boomerang versions, and Typhoon versions.

    there will likely be new models of ATGM vehicles and even UAV launch and control recon vehicles etc etc.

    It is even possible that small UAVs might be organic to MBT vehicles so they can find their own targets better and also have better situational awareness around their own position.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:48 am

    GarryB wrote:

    It is even possible that small UAVs might be organic to MBT vehicles so they can find their own targets better and also have better situational awareness around their own position.

    This is something that I've been pondering about for awhile, I'm suggesting the T-99 Armata should have areas where micro-uavs could be held internally then lifted in to place when needed. By micro-uav's, I'm suggesting micro-helicopter uavs and not micro propeller driven plane uavs, because micro-helicopter uav's would be better suited fore the Armata MBT because of it's hovering ability plus a tank is designed to hold ground. The micro-helicopter should be dual prop and designed by Kamov so that it can handle heavier winds than normal. Hopefully the Armata MBT will have 4 micro-helicopters, 2 on the look out, and 2 as backups while charging there batteries...or 4 launched at once in a Grozny type scenario.

    A micro-plane uav would be better suited for the Armata Koalition because it would be better suited for spotting distant targets, and the reconnaissance team could have a dedicated UAV Armata with both micro-helicopter and planes, 4 micro-planes, and 6 micro-helicopters with 10 total uav's.

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