Russian monuments

Monument to the Workers of home front in Great Patriotic War opened in Ufa

Russia ready to relocate dismantled monument to Soviet general from Poland to Russia

The authorities of the Polish city of Pieniezno dismantled the monument to Chernyakhovsky in mid-September 2015

MOSCOW, November 2 /TASS/. The Russian Military Historical Society is preparing papers necessary for relocating a dismantled monument to Soviet WWII military leader Ivan Chernyakhovsky (1906-1945) from Poland to Russia, the Russian Military Historical Society told TASS on Monday.

"We have already warned about the dangers of a creating a precedent for returning Soviet WWII memorials from Eastern Europe (to Russia)," the society’s press service quoted Vladislav Kononov, the society’s executive director, as saying.

"Monuments should stay where they were installed and unveiled in order to preserve history. But in this case the barbaric attitude to Chernyakhovsky’s memory in Poland does not leave us any other choice than to relocate the bas-relief from Poland to Russia," Kononov said adding that he could not think of a better place for the monument than the city of Kaliningrad (former Konigsberg), which used to be part of Eastern Prussia.

"The youngest Red Army general (Chernyakhovsky) died in battles in the territory of Eastern Prussia," Kononov explained.

According to the Russian Military Historical Society, Ivan Chernyakhovsky’s granddaughter Anastasiya Orlova has welcomed the idea of relocating her grandfather’s monument to Kaliningrad.

Ivan Chernyakhovsky, the holder of two Hero of the Soviet Union titles and the youngest general in history, died in February 1945 at the age of 38.

The authorities of the Polish city of Pieniezno dismantled the monument to Chernyakhovsky in mid-September 2015.

Monument to heroism of metro builders in 1941-1945 opened in village Dubrovka, Leningrad region
http://www.rtr.spb.ru/vesti_spb/news_detail_v.asp?id=11978

Monument to Hero of the Soviet Union Mikhail Kologrivov opened in Kokshaisk , Republic of Mari El

What do you think?


http://asaland.proboards.com/thread/421/russian-government-refused-monuments-renovation

Not really a monument, but...

https://www.rt.com/news/326723-stalin-cultural-center-penza/

A long-awaited cultural center dedicated to 20th century Soviet leader Joseph Stalin and the period in history during which he ruled has opened in the city of Penza, marking the 136th birthday of the most controversial USSR figure.

A scientific, cultural and historical center dedicated to Stalin was given a ceremonial opening on Monday in the city of Penza, 625 kilometers southeast of Moscow.

Crowds gathered to lay flowers outside the center and pay their respects to the influential figure who shaped the history of the 20th century. While many in the West categorically view the Georgian native as a “ruthless tyrant,” the image of Stalin has been gaining a much more positive spin in Russia.

The Man of Steel is being quite popular recently.

What do you think?

I think if Poland wants Russia to spend money on monuments in Poland that they should stop economic politically motivated sanctions against Russia first.

Also the sour grapes about a monument in Chechnia is just that... one presumes they applied for and got funding for a monument. Just because Poland suddenly wants a financial contribution from Russia and does not get it immediately means nothing at all.

They have been told there might be money available in 2017... if they can't wait then they can look for other donation sources instead.

Whining because Russia is funding a park in Russia and not in Poland is just pathetic... it would not surprise me to see in the next few years the polish government decides to move this monument or pull it down completely anyway.

higurashihougi wrote:Not really a monument, but...

https://www.rt.com/news/326723-stalin-cultural-center-penza/

A long-awaited cultural center dedicated to 20th century Soviet leader Joseph Stalin and the period in history during which he ruled has opened in the city of Penza, marking the 136th birthday of the most controversial USSR figure.

A scientific, cultural and historical center dedicated to Stalin was given a ceremonial opening on Monday in the city of Penza, 625 kilometers southeast of Moscow.

Crowds gathered to lay flowers outside the center and pay their respects to the influential figure who shaped the history of the 20th century. While many in the West categorically view the Georgian native as a “ruthless tyrant,” the image of Stalin has been gaining a much more positive spin in Russia.

The Man of Steel is being quite popular recently.

Obviously Putin and his clique are not up to the job.

Tomb of Unknown Soldier, Moscow

My Picture from last year, this is monument on Beloruskaja rail station .

One of my favorite picture from that trip.

I find this one on net several days ago, and i hope that i will visit Volgograd once.

Most Russians support idea of Stalin monuments, poll shows

Over 60 percent of Russians think it is reasonable to install monuments and memorial plaques glorifying the achievements of Soviet leader Joseph Stalin. The share of those who oppose the idea is half that number.

According to the latest research by state-run pollsters VTSIOM, the share of those who support the idea of commemorating Stalin as a major figure in Russian history is 62 percent.

Respondents told researchers that they consider the Soviet dictator a part of Russian history that their children must know about, and mentioned the victory in the war against Nazi Germany as one of Stalin’s major achievements.

A much lower share (under 10 percent) believe that it was Stalin who made the Soviet Union strong, or that he did the country a lot of good in general.


A monument to Joseph Stalin is unveiled in Yakutsk before Victory Day. (RIA Novosti / Bolot Botchkarev) Controversial Stalin monument unveiled in Russia’s Sakha-Yakutiya republic

When researchers asked Russians if they consider it reasonable to install memorials that would remind future generations of Stalin’s wrongdoing and errors, 65 percent said no and only 28 percent voiced their support for the idea.

The share of those who backed the placement of neutral reminders of Stalin’s life on the streets and in buildings was at 35 percent, with 59 percent saying that such attention to the historical figure would be excessive.

The poll was conducted in early July, soon after another scandal over Stalin’s name hit Russian society. When the faculty staff of the Moscow State Legal Academy put a memorial plaque to Stalin in its main building, one of Russia’s most famous law attorneys, Genri Reznik, retired from the academy in protest.

In addition, professors from the Russian Higher School of Economics announced that they would refuse to participate in any joint projects with the Moscow State Legal Academy, also in protest at the alleged glorification of Stalin. Numerous reports criticizing the move were published in mass media and on social networks.

The academy’s managers said in their defense that they were following instructions that, despite being issued in Soviet times, had never been canceled.

The chief Russian ombudsman for human rights, Tatyana Moskalkova, said in comments that in her view the new plaque was in its proper place because the academy’s students, as future lawyers, needed a reminder about the importance of the law and the dangers of political repression.

President Vladimir Putin’s press secretary, Dmitry Peskov, said at the time that the Kremlin had no position on that particular scandal, but added that previously President Putin had repeatedly called Stalin a part of Russian history, urging people “to perceive this history with maximum adequacy.”

Controversies around Stalin’s name and personality are constantly raised in Russia, and almost always become widely debated topics among the public and media.

Supporters of Stalin cite his role in the early industrial and scientific development of the USSR, as well as the Soviet victory in World War II achieved under his command. Opponents point to Stalin’s notorious programs of political repression, his apparent disregard for human casualties in economic reform and in war, and his infamous cult of personality that was denounced even by Soviet Communists soon after the leader’s death.

The Communist Party of the Russian Federation made heavy use of Stalin in its latest parliamentary campaign. The party branch in the city of Penza even announced 2016 as the “Year of Stalin” and opened a museum in his honor.



https://www.rt.com/politics/396935-most-russians-support-idea-of/

George1 wrote:Most Russians support idea of Stalin monuments, poll shows

I doubt that poll is accurate. Stalin was Georgian communist barbarian, that killed far too many people to not deserve public toilets named after him.

KiloGolf wrote:

George1 wrote:Most Russians support idea of Stalin monuments, poll shows

I doubt that poll is accurate. Stalin was Georgian communist barbarian, that killed far too many people to not deserve public toilets named after him.

its not like this friend. Stalin won WWII.. how can not be highly respected by Russian public?

George1 wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

George1 wrote:Most Russians support idea of Stalin monuments, poll shows

I doubt that poll is accurate. Stalin was Georgian communist barbarian, that killed far too many people to not deserve public toilets named after him.

its not like this friend. Stalin won WWII.. how can not be highly respected by Russian public?

Stalin won nothing.

The Allies together fought and won the war. In fact when Stalin was polishing Hitler's Maschinengewehr and supplying him with raw materials and minerals (for over a good year in WW2), it was down to countries like the UK, Canada, Australia/New Zealand, Greece, Yugoslavia and so on to try fight back that maniac and his axis allies.

Communists were infamous in sitting out the war at the very crucial beginning and appeasing Hitler at the start. They will always be remembered for that. Stalin is no exception.

kvs wrote:Wow, you are so deluded that it makes one cringe.    So you think that the 80% of Nazi Germany's war resources, including soldiers,
expended on the eastern front are some sideshow?   That the vaunted North African real sideshow "won" the war?   Perhaps
Italy was central to defeating the axis.    And for sure the Pacific theater was 100% responsible for the loss of Nazi Germany even
though there was basically zero resource link between Germany and Japan.  

Please spread some more thick and rich NATO revisionist drivel in a Russian forum, troll.

http://akarlin.com/2009/05/victory-day-special-myths-of-eastern-front/

Very few Russians are Stalin's apologists. Feel free to be one of them.

PS. Allies won the war, that includes Soviets. I didn't say western Allies only. But it was a joint victory in Europe, and an American victory in the Pacific.

Earlier you were talking about 1939-41, I assume? It made sense for the Soviets. For one thing, the Red Army wasn't ready at the time, as the Winter War and Operation Barbarossa showed. And it's not like the Soviets didn't try to slow down/stop Germany earlier, but it didn't work out. Geopolitics. The Munich agreement, Polish "deals" with Germany to carve of Czechoslovakia, etc. can also be very conveniently forgotten.

Secondly, even in the Pacific the Soviet invasion of Manchuria contributed quite heavily to the surrender of the Japanese. Also, the Chinese forced tied-up a considerable amount of Japan's resources.

The Russian (mixed) support for Stalin makes sense due to WW2 (or rather, the Great Patriotic War). It's perfectly understandable. Western propaganda has also conveniently forgotten how many Western countries commemorate many more or less "questionable" figures. Like them, Stalin was a victor of history, and he's certainly that in Russia (and in many other places in the former USSR), despite the Soviet Union collapsing decades after his death.

And the cold war era Western propaganda has made it worse. Anatoly Karlin has actually written about this. The so-called Russian liberals and that cold era propaganda exaggerated Stalin's crimes. "Muh Stalin killed 60 million people. He was actually worse than Hitler." (Spoiler alert: he didn't, he wasn't.) So Stalin is of course often used in anti-Russian propaganda. Russian support for Stalin is a counter reaction to all of that.

https://www.unz.com/akarlin/tribal-stalinism/

Kimppis wrote:Earlier you were talking about 1939-41, I assume? It made sense for the Soviets. For one thing, the Red Army wasn't ready at the time, as the Winter War and Operation Barbarossa showed. And it's not like the Soviets didn't try to slow down/stop Germany earlier, but it didn't work out. Geopolitics. The Munich agreement, Polish "deals" with Germany to carve of Czechoslovakia, etc. can also be very conveniently forgotten.

Secondly, even in the Pacific the Soviet invasion of Manchuria contributed quite heavily to the surrender of the Japanese. Also, the Chinese forced tied-up a considerable amount of Japan's resources.

The Russian (mixed) support for Stalin makes sense due to WW2 (or rather, the Great Patriotic War). It's perfectly understandable. Western propaganda has also conveniently forgotten how many Western countries commemorate many more or less "questionable" figures. Like them, Stalin was a victor of history, and he's certainly that in Russia (and in many other places in the former USSR), despite the Soviet Union collapsing decades after his death.

And the cold war era Western propaganda has made it worse. Anatoly Karlin has actually written about this. The so-called Russian liberals and that cold era propaganda exaggerated Stalin's crimes. "Muh Stalin killed 60 million people. He was actually worse than Hitler." (Spoiler alert: he didn't, he wasn't.) So Stalin is of course often used in anti-Russian propaganda. Russian support for Stalin is a counter reaction to all of that.

https://www.unz.com/akarlin/tribal-stalinism/

Stalin wasn't Russian he was Georgian and communist. Whoever equates Stalin to Russia is a retard, across the board.

As should be obvious, I'm not a fan Stalin. But to be fair, I think Stalin viewed himself as Russian. I guess you could call him Georgian-Russian or something. It's all about the Great Patriotic War (+ the liberal propaganda and cold war era historiography), when it comes to the Russians and their views on him.

Stalin did continue to send materials to Germany.... materials Germany had paid for... why wouldn't they deliver goods paid for?

And it is amusing that you suggest those heroic western allies fought alone for a year... the western allies appeased Hitler as much as anyone else did... in fact poland even took advantage of Germanys expansion to expand itself in several areas, but Poland is just a victim.

Stalin approached Poland and the UK for an alliance... neither responded... Poland preferring to trust the european germans rather than the half asian communist Soviets.

the US continued to supply material to Germany too...

BTW can we have our people back... if the US won the war in the Pacific then our guys were clearly not needed... especially for the first bit when the Americans were not even involved.

GarryB wrote:Stalin did continue to send materials to Germany.... materials Germany had paid for... why wouldn't they deliver goods paid for?

And it is amusing that you suggest those heroic western allies fought alone for a year... the western allies appeased Hitler as much as anyone else did... in fact poland even took advantage of Germanys expansion to expand itself in several areas, but Poland is just a victim.

Stalin approached Poland and the UK for an alliance... neither responded... Poland preferring to trust the european germans rather than the half asian communist Soviets.

the US continued to supply material to Germany too...

BTW can we have our people back... if the US won the war in the Pacific then our guys were clearly not needed... especially for the first bit when the Americans were not even involved.

Poland took part in snatching parts of Czechoslovakia when Germany went for Sudetia in there. They are no saints. The US are not an example to follow when it comes to their stance to Germany. But neither is the USSR. 1939 and 1940 were not easy years for some countries. USA and USSR skipped the war then.

Alyosha Monument, Monument of the Defenders of the Soviet Arctic during the Great Patriotic War.
"Spectacular and affecting
30+ metres high, on a promontory overlooking the city, the docks and the fjord. Built where the female antiaircraft gunners resisted the Luftwaffe.
A good place to pause and consider the enormity of what happened here and to get an overview of the modern city.
Popular for wedding photos."

"Impressive
One can see the Alyosha Monument from just about anywhere in Murmansk. Its soldier looms over you as it looks to the horizon. And as you get closer to it, its massive size and height exudes the strength that I think its designers wanted to convey.

Impressive."

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g298501-d3447313-Reviews-Alyosha_Monument_Monument_of_the_Defenders_of_the_Soviet_Arctic_during_the_Great_.html

https://fotografersha.livejournal.com/950761.html

Buran model installed in Sochi

But neither is the USSR. 1939 and 1940 were not easy years for some countries. USA and USSR skipped the war then.

The UK and most of the west helped the opposition to the reds in the russian civil war... what possible reason would the Soviets have to help France or the UK?

If hitler had just taken western europe and starved the British out then Stalin would have done nothing to help... the British were never his allies, and the main reason Hitler got into power and was followed so widely in Germany and Austria is because Britain and France and the US treated Germany like WWI was Germanys fault and treated her very unfairly after that war. Letting Germany get revenge is hardly any skin of the nose of the Soviet Union...

In the end the Germans attacked the Soviets instead of the British and the British did what Stalin would have done... nothing while the Germans and Soviets wore each other out... it couldn't have gone better for the British if they had planned it that way... it would not surprise me if they didn't have a hand in getting Hitler to fixate on living space in the east to push him that way.

Many in the west don't understand Stalins hesitation when the germans invaded, but lets face it... the paranoid purges and British duplicity... why would you not think it was a British plot... another one against the Soviets... not the first time... not the last time...