The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

magnumcromagnon wrote:Zbig just recently called for arming the Fascist junta in Kiev:



http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304163604579531940358081088?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304163604579531940358081088.html

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

etaepsilonk wrote:So, eh, what about that gas thingy? Has Ukraine paid it's debts to gazprom yet?

The first tranche of the loan for US$3.2B is apparently to be "paid" soon, so that Ukraine can pay its gas debt to Russia (I think). Now people can proceed to connect the dots.

NATO’s second-in-command says Russia is now an enemy, not a partner
NATO Deputy Secretary General Alexander Vershbow now says that the allied group has been compelled to treat Russia “as more of an enemy than a partner,” according to an Associated Press report published Thursday.

The 61-year-old former United States ambassador to Russia reportedly told journalists this week that Moscow’s role in the ongoing crisis in Ukraine has forced NATO to reconsider the alliance’s opinion on Russia, and that additional troops may soon be mobilized to the region as tensions worsen.
http://rt.com/usa/156204-nato-vershbow-russia-adversary/

AlfaT8 wrote:

NATO’s second-in-command says Russia is now an enemy, not a partner
NATO Deputy Secretary General Alexander Vershbow now says that the allied group has been compelled to treat Russia “as more of an enemy than a partner,” according to an Associated Press report published Thursday.

The 61-year-old former United States ambassador to Russia reportedly told journalists this week that Moscow’s role in the ongoing crisis in Ukraine has forced NATO to reconsider the alliance’s opinion on Russia, and that additional troops may soon be mobilized to the region as tensions worsen.
http://rt.com/usa/156204-nato-vershbow-russia-adversary/

OK, its official, when is Russia going in (to Ukraine), where's the kuznetzov, where are the Deltas/akulas/typhoons and boreis, how many mobile ICBM, iskanders and silos are there, where are the long rang bombers and awacs, how many tanks, armored vehicles and aircraft are on the western front(yea i am calling it the western front now) and for god sakes why isn't the INF treaty on the chopping block!!!   

AlfaT8 wrote:

NATO’s second-in-command says Russia is now an enemy, not a partner
NATO Deputy Secretary General Alexander Vershbow now says that the allied group has been compelled to treat Russia “as more of an enemy than a partner,” according to an Associated Press report published Thursday.

The 61-year-old former United States ambassador to Russia reportedly told journalists this week that Moscow’s role in the ongoing crisis in Ukraine has forced NATO to reconsider the alliance’s opinion on Russia, and that additional troops may soon be mobilized to the region as tensions worsen.
http://rt.com/usa/156204-nato-vershbow-russia-adversary/

OK, its official, when is Russia going in (to Ukraine), where's the kuznetzov, where are the Deltas/akulas/typhoons and boreis, how many mobile ICBM, iskanders and silos are there, where are the long rang bombers and awacs, how many tanks, armored vehicles and aircraft are on the western front(yea i am calling it the western front now) and for god sakes why isn't the INF treaty on the chopping block!!!   

Russia ready to welcome Ukraine’s defense sector specialists — Putin

PETROZAVODSK, April 28. /ITAR-TASS/. Russia is ready to welcome Ukrainian specialists in the military-industrial complex who will wish to move to Russia, President Vladimir Putin said on Monday.
At a session of the Council of Lawmakers, Voronezh region duma speaker Vladimir Klyuchnikov asked for assistance, saying that many Ukrainian specialists working in the defense industry complex were ready to move to Russia.
“If there are volunteers, we will help you - they will get worthy salaries, housing and apartments,” the Russian president said. “You will get all necessary funds from the federal budget,” he added, noting that the process had already started, and some specialists had already moved with their families.
Putin said Ukraine had “high potential” in the sector, and could boast “excellent specialists.” “We will be glad to see them at our enterprises in Russia,” he said.

http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/729830

NATO to consider Georgia’s offer to host defensive systems

The offer was made by Georgian Defense Minister Irakly Aalasania at an international conference entitled “Europe Whole and Free”

TBILISI, May 01. /ITAR-TASS/. NATO will consider Georgia’s offer to host defensive systems, the alliance’s special envoy for the South Caucasus and Central Asia James Appathurai said.

The offer was made by Georgian Defense Minister Irakly Aalasania at an international conference entitled “Europe Whole and Free” organized by the Atlantic Council in Washington on Thursday, May 1. NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen who attended the conference said he would familiarize his colleagues with the offer.
Appathurai said Alasania’s message was straight and clear, and expressed hope that NATO would consider it.
As an organization, NATO has no defensive systems, but its member states have them, and the alliance can arrange for their deployment as it did in Turkey during the conflict in Syria.
Speaking at a joint briefing with Appathurai, Georgian Foreign Minister Maia Panjikidze said the deployment of such defensive systems in her country would be “a timely, considering the situation, and interesting idea which has not been considered yet but which is worth considering”.
“Time will show what specific actions will follow. For the time being, it’s just one of the ideas that is interesting to our partners as well,” she said.
“Now West has to seize the opportunity … to create the reality on the ground by accepting the membership of aspirant countries to NATO by putting some defensive, purely defensive assets in the aspirant countries and predominantly in Georgia,” Alasania said in his presentation the text of which was posted on the Georgian Defense Ministry’s website.
The European Union and NATO are the only organizations Georgia plans to join, Panjikidze said earlier.
NATO reiterated its decision to admit Georgia to the alliance. The NATO leaders agreed “to enhance Georgia’s connectivity with the Alliance, including by further strengthening our political dialogue, practical cooperation, and interoperability with Georgia”.
They continue to encourage and actively support Georgia’s ongoing implementation of all necessary reforms, including democratic, electoral, and judicial reforms, as well as security and defence reforms.
Four states described by NATO as aspirant countries are Bosnia and Herzegovina, Georgia, Macedonia and Montenegro.
Georgia’s top officials say that Tbilisi continues the policy of integration with the North Atlantic Alliance and stress that membership in the alliance will help strengthen the country’s independence, security and sovereignty, facilitate its socio-economic and democratic development.

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/730180

Igor Kondratuk name-calling residents of eastern Ukraine cattle calls "wet freaks separatists"



Igor Kondratuk spoke about how he sees the current situation in the country and that it is most annoying, and that he is willing to do about it.
"Death to the separatists. I realized what I, like many citizens, irritate the current representatives of Ukraine. His inadequacy. Let me explain what I mean. Some downs in eastern Ukraine (so-called" people's governor, "" folk mayors " "koloroady", "dedyvaevali" and generally different cattle) are calling for things totally incompatible with the Constitution of Ukraine.
As for me, they look like idiots political as for residents of Donbass and Kharkiv, and all of us. But power does not do anything to put the so-called "separatists" in place: to expel from the administrative buildings, arrested in the end - to shoot. Even if it is one in three. What to do? We live in Ukraine, it is in Ukraine! And we must protect it from all sorts of scum that wants to change our homeland for these cattle-Russian with his cattle-country.
The activities of these alkomerov - narkogubernatoriv and stupid young protesters Colorado ribbons allows ignorant people - neighbors (Lavrov, Zhirinovsky, Putin and other geopolitical moronic) to implement in relation to sovereign country - Ukraine - misconduct. Dear (so far!) And Yatsenyuk Turchynov Lord!
If you will not be decisive in the liberation of Eastern Ukraine from separatists, then your candidate for the presidency - Timoshenko - do not shine! Because it will be perceived by voters as a leader "impotent Party"! Party, which continues to take the territory of Ukraine invaders. In eastern Ukraine urgently needs to enter NATO troops, martial law, and do cleanup! The faster you clear of Ukraine from this blunt eastern trash, the better.
Or - go, or - go for it! Third - not given! I am ready to take up a gun, and destroy the monsters! Glory to Ukraine! "

http://glagol-info.com/news/58994-igor-kondratjuk-obzyvaet-zhitelej-vostoka-ukrainy-bydlom-trebuet-mochit-urodovseparatistov

RT wrote:Breaking news

RT wrote:Ukrainian troops begin special operation in Slavyansk - reports

RT wrote:PaulaSlier_RT ‏@PaulaSlier_RT 4m

Pro-federalization units claim that they damaged three armored vehicles.

RT wrote:PaulaSlier_RT ‏@PaulaSlier_RT 3m

They also say that they managed to recapture one (of the many) checkpoints that guard the entrance to the town.

Tweet wrote:Just in. #Slavyansk is being bombed heavy artillery, grenades from the helicopters.

Tweet wrote:Helicopters and armed vehicles and artillery are all #Ukranian from #Kiev Self-defense forces don't have these.

Tweet wrote:#Ukraine forces took some #Slavyansk city streets, TV center, market. I'm waiting for updates

RT Tweet wrote:PaulaSlier_RT ‏@PaulaSlier_RT 33s

Battles take place in the center of #Slavyansk.

RT Tweet wrote:PaulaSlier_RT ‏@PaulaSlier_RT 3m

Reports emerge that one pro-federalization activist was killed and one injured.

Vann7 wrote:

The fight will be very one side. .US can supply the kiev Junta with attack drones and start killing checkpoints. If i were them.. and will cover all checkpoints make not easy from distance to know who are there.,if civilians or soldiers. But in the end we know Kiev will not care who is inside and start mass killing anyone who stand in the middle. The new round of war began with the IMF loan.. how convenient. With the right weapons.. manpads and kornets ,the anti-kiev can push back the army.. but army casualties will help kiev in demonizing the eastern regions demanding referendum.  Best Russia move for now is to wait and use undercover special forces and push the Army back with the help of civilians spies telling them the Ukraine army movements.  Russia can also deploy GPS jammers in eastern regions and tools to jam drones.

RT's Reporter wrote:PaulaSlier_RT ‏@PaulaSlier_RT 3m

Self defence volunteers here # Kramatorsk preparing for attack

PaulaSlier_RT ‏@PaulaSlier_RT 3m

Very tense - guys here preparing for an attack / not letting us film / say they are warriors and guys on other side are drug addicts

PaulaSlier_RT ‏@PaulaSlier_RT 2m

Molotov cocktails lined up next to tyres - about sixty guys - some with faces coveted, some holding assault rifles

Bojan Pancevski wrote:Bojan Pancevski ‏@bopanc 49s

#Slavyansk source: checkpoints Bezer, Kristishi, Andreevka came under heavy fire from #Ukraine forces.Attack stopped aftr loss of 3 choppers


Bojan Pancevski ‏@bopanc 8m

Both RU and UA sources. Disagreement on numbers/details but both confirmed that UA forces never entered the town

Hannibal Barca wrote:I repeat. IMO Russia should intervene immediately and decisively to throw the Kiev puppet govt. Everything else most probably will worsen the situation like what happened in Yugoslavia or in Syria where the situation escalated progressively. Civil wars have this characteristic.