Promising destroyer "Lider-class"

Big_Gazza wrote:At least I have a Bachelor of Engineering and a 30-year career behind me. My opinion carries at least some weight.  You?

Well you're an australian engineer... lol1 (jocking don't take it personnaly).

Arrow wrote:Work on the destroyer Leader was suspended due to lack of funds.

Arrow wrote:Work on the destroyer Leader was suspended due to lack of funds.

Azi wrote:

Arrow wrote:Work on the destroyer Leader was suspended due to lack of funds.

Source???

The destroyer Leader recorded as an outsider

February 6, 2020 at 13:48 Theme: Industry

The design work to create the look of a promising nuclear destroyer for the Russian Navy has actually been stopped due to lack of funds and postponement of the project completion deadlines to the right. About this Mil.Press FlotProm told two informed sources at the naval research institutes and design bureaus. Meanwhile, the only destroyer of project 956, the Fast, remained in the combat structure of the Russian fleet. In total, 17 of them were built for the Navy. The second and last ship of the same type at the disposal of the Navy, Admiral Ushakov, is undergoing repairs.


“So far, neither the Northern Design Bureau, nor the Krylov State Scientific Center have allocated substantial funds for the creation of the destroyer. However, enterprises continue to carry out certain work on an initiative basis,” another source said.



At the same time, the KSCC creates a promising conceptual appearance of the ship, taking into account the achievements of naval science, and the SPKB creates a more “concrete” destroyer (still at the outline design level), tied to the capabilities of weapons developers and a construction plant. Several versions of models of the future destroyer were tested in the basins of the Krylovsk center. At the same time, only old models tested in the first half of the 2010s were publicly demonstrated.

A promising atomic destroyer is not even being discussed now, this is a distant future, added industry source Mil.Press FlotProm. “Now the design is de facto suspended, the corresponding decision has been made by the Navy’s shipbuilding department. They plan to return to work later so as not to jump from frigates (such as Admiral Gorshkov - ed.) With a displacement of 5400 tons to destroyers with a displacement of 19,000 tons,” he summed up he.

The intermediate link between the serial frigates of the project 22350 and the destroyers created within the framework of the Leader-1 will be the Super Gorshkovs, frigates of increased displacement of the project 22350M. Sketch design of the "grown up" frigate at the end of last year successfully completed SPKB. The head of the United Shipbuilding Corporation, Alexei Rakhmanov, in December 2019 said that they plan to complete (technical and working - ed.) The design of the project 22350M ship by 2022. After that, you can expect bookmarks.


In size and displacement, the Super-Gorshkov roughly corresponds to the destroyer of project 956. “In the future, ships of the project 22350M can be reclassified - following the example of the BOD of project 1155, which after modernization will become frigates ,” an expert from one of the naval research institutes told the publication. NATO classification the BOD - anti-submarine destroyers while the old Soviet classification is adjacent to the new one, which added class multipurpose ships with subclasses "corvette" and "frigate" and in the future -. and "destroyer".

Bookmark the prospects Thus, the new Leader nuclear atomic destroyer will be implemented at best in the second half of the 2020s.

today thanks to missiles, that shifts the budgeting and design. Sinking vast resources into a single egg basket because of
some "cool" factor is moronic. Build several ships instead with each packing more punch than any of the previous destroyers.

GarryB wrote:If you think of ships as land based air defence forces, then an old corvette is basically a Verba team... relatively vulnerable to most air attacks though certainly not useless, but a modern corvette is the equivalent of a Pantsir battery... it could be overwhelmed but likely wont be operating alone anyway.

A Frigate is like an old S-300 battery with a few Pantsir batteries to help defend it and a Destroyer is an S-400 battery with a couple of TOR or Pantsir batteries to support it.

They don't need all cruisers but they do need some because a cruiser is not just a big vulnerable target it is much better armed and equipped than smaller vessels to operate away from Russian shores and has the fire power to defend itself from rather heavier attacks than smaller vessels.

An aircraft carrier is adding an airfield to defence which greatly expands your capacity to defend yourself and to also get the job done.

With any team, the more players you have and the better they coordinate and work together the harder it is to defeat them.

With their new technology every platform contributes information to the system so all the elements know what all the other elements know...

The whole point of modular design was that once you had a corvette you could scale it up to Frigate and Destroyer and Cruiser, with increased weapons and sensors and capacity and endurance... you have to specialise the smaller boats because a Corvette of one design might not be ideal for every role... whether it is arctic or pacific or black sea or baltic sea or caspian sea use, possibly frigates too, but larger vessels should be big enough to carry everything they need to be properly multirole...

Arrow wrote:Russia is a long way to go with the navy. China is far ahead of them. They build rocket cruisers, , aircraft carriers. And the destroyers compare to 22350M are already produce in dozens. We will probably see the first 22350M after 2030. Lider class maybe after 2040.

hat long way to go? Project 22350M will have more firepower than Arleigh Burke-destroyer and and a bit under Type 055 destroyer. wrote:

Arrow wrote:

AB has 96 VLS. Project 22350M has 48 VLS + 32 VLS air defence system? AB is a total of 62 ships plus Ticonderoga more then 20 ships with 120 VLS. The 22350M frigate is zero and will be zero for the next 10 years. Now Russia has only two modern frigate 22350. There is nothing to compare with US NAVY because it is a chasm. Russia has one Kirov in service plus another under renovation.

Arrow wrote:

AB has 96 VLS. Project 22350M has 48 VLS + 32 VLS air defence system? AB is a total of 62 ships plus Ticonderoga more then 20 ships with 120 VLS. The 22350M frigate is zero and will be zero for the next 10 years. Now Russia has only two modern frigate 22350. There is nothing to compare with US NAVY because it is a chasm. Russia has one Kirov in service plus another under renovation.

Hole wrote:P-700 and P-1000 are supersonic.

AB has 96 VLS. Project 22350M has 48 VLS + 32 VLS air defence system? AB is a total of 62 ships plus Ticonderoga more then 20 ships with 120 VLS. The 22350M frigate is zero and will be zero for the next 10 years. Now Russia has only two modern frigate 22350. There is nothing to compare with US NAVY because it is a chasm. Russia has one Kirov in service plus another under renovation.