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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

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    Post  higurashihougi Sat Oct 11, 2014 8:54 am

    It is said that the Novorossiya insurgents have just captured one of Kyiv's Msta-S

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASKJlzLklmU

    http://danviet.vn/quan-su/phao-tu-hanh-hang-khung-ukraine-lot-vao-tay-quan-noi-day-490389.html (in Vietnamese)

    Trên tháp pháo tự hành có sọc dọc màu trắng đặc trưng. Theo Rusvesna đây là điểm nhận dạng để quân đội Ukraine có thể phân biệt bạn và thù trong khi tham chiến.

    (The SPG has its tyical white strips. According to Rusvesna, this is the typical signs of the Ukrainian forces).

    The information still needs deeper verification, but it seems like the Kyiv forces have a tendency of losing heavy weapons into the hands of Novorossiya insurgents.

    Mike E wrote:As unbelievable as it seems, the Western propaganda-powerhouse Reuters has posted a good article (decent at the very least) on the Maidan shootings.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/10/us-ukraine-killings-probe-special-report-idUSKCN0HZ0UH20141010?irpc=932

    Well, at least Reuters is not similar to things like BBC aka BomB Company, or Radio Not Free From The West.

    And the Kyiv goverment is so corrputed that even the West do not really eager to help it.
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    Post  Mike E Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:10 am

    higurashihougi wrote:
    Mike E wrote:As unbelievable as it seems, the Western propaganda-powerhouse Reuters has posted a good article (decent at the very least) on the Maidan shootings.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/10/us-ukraine-killings-probe-special-report-idUSKCN0HZ0UH20141010?irpc=932

    Well, at least Reuters is not similar to things like BBC aka BomB Company, or Radio Not Free From The West.

    And the Kyiv goverment is so corrputed that even the West do not really eager to help it.
    That is the thing though... Reuters has always been a Russophobic propaganda source, and this article is one of very few that isn't subject to that. Interestingly enough, one of that articles writers is from Kyivpost! Maybe they are getting feed up with posting all the crap! lol1

    Huh? The West can't get enough of corrupted governments!
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    Post  higurashihougi Sat Oct 11, 2014 11:06 am

    Mike E wrote:That is the thing though... Reuters has always been a Russophobic propaganda source, and this article is one of very few that isn't subject to that. Interestingly enough, one of that articles writers is from Kyivpost! Maybe they are getting feed up with posting all the crap! lol1

    Huh? The West can't get enough of corrupted governments!

    I though that the most notorious loudspeakers of the Western oligarchs are Fox News, British BomB Company aka BBC and the series of Radio Not Free of Something. Question

    My guess is that the situation in Kyiv is so shit that the West cannot cover anymore.
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    Post  gregoire Sat Oct 11, 2014 11:31 am

    Well, as I have seen often, when the media changes tunes something is about to happen/change.
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev Sat Oct 11, 2014 12:16 pm

    Is there any chance the novorussians, Have any FAE and guided munitions or the Ukropitecus army doesn't operate them any more?
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    Post  etaepsilonk Sat Oct 11, 2014 12:30 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Is there any chance the novorussians, Have any FAE and guided munitions or the Ukropitecus army doesn't operate them any more?

    Do RPO-As and ATGMs fit?

    However, they are a bit expensive.
    With all voentorg nonsense goin' on, it would make a lot of sense for novorussia to develop it's own arms industry.
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev Sat Oct 11, 2014 12:49 pm

    No I mean guided mortar and arty rounds.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Sat Oct 11, 2014 12:54 pm

    Not really of-topic, as ...


    Guys, does anybody think that the quality of Google Translate has been downgraded over the last several months?
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    Post  arpakola Sat Oct 11, 2014 12:59 pm

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    Post  etaepsilonk Sat Oct 11, 2014 1:13 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:No I mean guided mortar and arty rounds.

    Dude, their airplanes are hardly guided as of yet, what makes you think that artillery department is somehow better? Wink
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    Post  NationalRus Sat Oct 11, 2014 1:33 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Is there any chance the novorussians, Have any FAE and guided munitions or the Ukropitecus army doesn't operate them any more?

    the only possebility fr them to have some if russi would gift them some, no army unit tht they have taken in that region operates anthing of that kind, ukr army actaully doesnt operate "nearly" anything that is associate with the name "modern"
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    Post  kvs Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:57 pm

    Mike E wrote:As unbelievable as it seems, the Western propaganda-powerhouse Reuters has posted a good article (decent at the very least) on the Maidan shootings.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/10/us-ukraine-killings-probe-special-report-idUSKCN0HZ0UH20141010?irpc=932

    The removal of the trees is a dead giveaway about a coverup. Trees don't die from such damage and the bark would have eventually
    closed around the holes. It's not like the trees were riddled with machine gun fire.

    The removal of the ATC tapes from the Borisopol airport after the MH17 shoot down was also a case of the regime covering its
    tracks.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:42 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Not really of-topic, as ...


    Guys, does anybody think that the quality of Google Translate has been downgraded over the last several months?

    I noticed that too, and Google search engine has been known to "kill" certain stories from their search engines.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:44 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Mike E wrote:As unbelievable as it seems, the Western propaganda-powerhouse Reuters has posted a good article (decent at the very least) on the Maidan shootings.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/10/us-ukraine-killings-probe-special-report-idUSKCN0HZ0UH20141010?irpc=932

    The removal of the trees is a dead giveaway about a coverup.   Trees don't die from such damage and the bark would have eventually
    closed around the holes.   It's not like the trees were riddled with machine gun fire.

    The removal of the ATC tapes from the Borisopol airport after the MH17 shoot down was also a case of the regime covering its
    tracks.

    Lets not forget that German victims of the plane crash are suing Kiev for criminal negligence, obviously their defense teams believe that their at fault for something.
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    Post  Regular Sat Oct 11, 2014 8:08 pm

    Taken from other forum.
    Tell me what You think guys?


    Monarchist wrote:The blogger and friend of Strelkov talks about what is really happening in Donbass and Novorussia.
    Some short summary most important things. The brigade from Slavyansk that was under Strelkov amount to around 4-5 thousand soldiers, and basically all the heavy equipment has been taken from them, only basically left with only ak's etc. All the equipment goes through Oplot brigade and Zaharcenko, Kononov is bascailly irrelevant.
    The operation of liberating the airport is basically for no reason because some of the most eperienced fighters have died for nothing.
    Zaharcenko basically holds all the cigarette and alchohol smuggling and trading in Donbass, everything goes through him and he gives nothing to regular rebel soldiers that forces some of them to become criminals to feed their families and themself.
    The so called humanitirian aid goes basically to Plotnitskij and Zaharcenko personally nothing goes to private people or organizations. What is currently happening is basically discrediting the whole "Russian idea"(Russkie mir), that nobody in the future comes up with the idea about peoples republics and that they under no circumstances ar anti-oligarch.
    After Strelkov resigned some of his men were arrested under false accusations and facricated crimes, some of them even called "Vlasov-tsi", supporters of Vlasov.
    Basically that the dark picture and truth.
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    Post  gregoire Sat Oct 11, 2014 10:16 pm

    My feeling about el murid and strelkov is that they may try to look for a way to be positive/constructive about the situation. At this moment they feel like they are the "party-poopers" so to speak.
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    Post  Regular Sat Oct 11, 2014 11:02 pm

    If there weren't for Strelkov there would be only LNR existing. Give him some credit.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:10 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Not really of-topic, as ...


    Guys, does anybody think that the quality of Google Translate has been downgraded over the last several months?

    I noticed that too, and Google search engine has been known to "kill" certain stories from their search engines.

    I used to use the Googtrans, and I could easily read the translations and fully understand them. However, now that the world war is moving from its warm phase to its hot phase, I have noticed that the Googtrans just spews out gibberish, and if you try hard to read the googtranslations, you'll find out that the meanings are actually often reversed.
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    Post  gregoire Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:44 am

    Regular wrote:If there weren't for Strelkov there would be only LNR existing. Give him some credit.

    I do. Let's hope it isn't prematurely aborted because of him as well.
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    Post  higurashihougi Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:13 pm

    Not 100% related to the topic, but... Cool

    http://en.ria.ru/authors/20141010/193915874/CIS-Leaders-Lambast-Poroshenko-Following-Snub-at-Summit.html

    The summit in Minsk of the presidents of the countries of the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS), a loose cluster of 11 former Soviet constituent republics, was doomed to attract attention; Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko was conspicuously absent. The head of the Commonwealth’s second-most populous member state preferred to visit the Italian city of Milan instead.

    The presidents, quite predictably, saw Poroshenko’s move as a snub;  two of them, Alexander Lukashenko of Belarus and Islam Karimov of Uzbekistan, personally scolded Poroshenko for failing to respect his neighbors and for his heavy-handed approach to the war on his own territory. The fact that Poroshenko was criticized not by Russia’s Vladimir Putin, but by two of Russia’s NEIGHBORS, calls into question the main narrative of the Western press regarding the war in Ukraine and the way it is viewed by other post-Soviet states. During the past six months or more, the Western newspapers have been full of reports about other post-Soviet countries, especially ones with sizable Russian minorities, being all jittery because of the possibility of Russian “aggression” under the pretext of protecting these minorities.

    The problem of possible new Russian “aggression,” however, was nowhere to be seen at the summit in Minsk. Uzbekistan’s Islam Karimov, whose country also has a Russian minority, lashed out not at Putin, but at Poroshenko. “If Mr. Poroshenko had not missed the opportunity to meet us and had provided his vision of the events [in Ukraine], this would make the situation a lot more clear to us,” Karimov said at the plenary session of the CIS summit. “Who among us have had the opportunity to see Mr. Poroshenko face to face recently? Very few. But he found time to visit Brussels in Belgium several times, as well as several other countries, which I would not like to name,” Karimov said, clearly referring to Poroshenko’s meetings with the anti-Russian leaders of several EU countries, as well as the US and Canada.

    President Alexander Lukashenko, the host of the summit in the Belarusian capital Minsk, was almost equally caustic. “If the problems of Ukraine – economic ones, political ones, etc. - can better be resolved in Milan or Berlin, why do you [Mr. Poroshenko] need to ask for our help? Obviously, you need to solve these problems in Milan and Berlin,” Lukashenko said, clearly referring to Poroshenko’s recent suggestion that the CIS countries “participate” in the reconstruction of  war-torn Donbass.

    In fact, the clearly pro-Russian (and anti-Maidan) leanings of the CIS summit in Minsk shows where the leaders see the real (and not imagined) dangers for their countries. These dangers do not include Russian “aggression”, but rather internal destabilization, poverty and the possibility of violent Western-sponsored “regime changes.” If anyone is “isolated” (the most frequently used word in the Western discourse on Russia), it is not Russia, but rather Poroshenko’s regime – at least, inside the Commonwealth of Independent States (of which Ukraine formally remains a member).

    Here are the facts which The Washington Post and other Western media, who love to talk about Russia’s “isolation,” simply do not notice. At the recent Caspian summit in Astrakhan, Russia agreed with its three CIS partners (Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan) on the future legal status of the Caspian Sea – a thorny issue the four countries hadn’t been able to resolve for 20 years. Before the end of the year, Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan will all ratify the agreement on the creation of the Eurasian Economic Union, a document signed in Astana last May which will create a joint economic space linking Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan and in the near future – also Kyrgyzstan and Armenia.

    Economically and technologically, members of the Eurasian Economic Union are doing better than the pro-EU Ukraine.

    This year Kazakhstan is going to show 4 percent economic growth (the European Bank for the Reconstruction and Development expected Kazakhstan to post 5.5 percent growth, but the forecast was downgraded in May because of the EU’s sanctions against Russia, which also adversely affected Kazakhstan). Russia’s economy is expected to grow 1.3 percent.

    “This is not much, but this is the same result as Poland, and no one is assessing the Polish situation with economic growth as tragic,” commented Ben Aris, the head of Business New Europe – a center for the intellectual analysis of economic developments among the former members of the Soviet bloc. “And certainly, this is a better result than in Ukraine.”

    A recent Global Forum on e-government held in Astana confirmed Kazakhstan’s rating as the 28th country in the world in terms of Internet services for the population. For some people, this result is a much greater reason for joy than the “revolution” on Maidan, with its corpses, charred buildings and ruined relations with Russia.

    And this is quite old article, but...

    http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/125235

    Ukrainian checkpoint commanders at various locations to the north and north-east of Mariupol (113 km south of Donetsk city) told the SMM of shelling directed at the checkpoints the previous evening. The SMM – whilst at the checkpoints – neither observed nor heard shelling, nor saw any indication that shelling may have recently taken place.

    Whilst in Debaltseve (75 km north-east of Donetsk city), the SMM was informed by a senior Ukrainian military officer that there had in the previous 24 hours been 76 “ceasefire” violations – 42 by the separatists and 34 by the Ukrainian Army – in the Debaltseve area, resulting in one fatality and 13 injuries. The SMM observed no incidents in the area, and saw nothing that would substantiate the allegations made by the officer.

    By the way, Oleksandr Kikhtenko was appointed as the new governor of Donetsk, replacing Serhiy Taruta.
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    Post  Regular Sun Oct 12, 2014 9:59 pm

    Yesterday Ukrainians managed to raise UKR flag on top of the Donetsk air traffic control tower.
    They are still in airport and giving a good fight. They still have 1 tank and 1 bmp. They captured 1 sep tank few days ago, but it seems it's not working. Their morale is very high as they get plenty of support from public. There are hundreds of people donating and sending equipment to them.

    I can't imagine seps taking over Mariupol or any other important cities when they can't fully control airport.

    Recent Ukr photos.. Thanks to them their positions were geotagged.
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    And there video from yesterday

    https://youtu.be/LjZOm73T-uI?t=2m22s
    At 4:15 You can see Shershen ATGM.. I think... Ideal position in my opinion, clear empty fields. This system looks very potential.

    So Ukrainians are not hiding like rats in tunnels, they are not 10 of them. Most of them are from VDV.

    They remind me of Russian army in Chechnya. But Russian army had no such support from public, no one was sending them uniforms, equipment or food. But there is similarity, Ukrainians in airport are forgotten by their fat pig president and they are even shelled by their own artillery. I don't support Ukraine as a country, but these men fighting there are more worth than rest of Ukrainian army. VDV is VDV even in africa(Ukraine)
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    Post  Regular Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:11 pm

    Check this interactive map
    http://www.thinglink.com/scene/576365106007375874
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    Post  TheArmenian Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:43 pm

    The Novorossian armed forces (Vostok battalion) have displayed the BTR-4K they captured from the Ukrainian Nazguard.
    It is the command version and is similar to the ones supplied to Iraq.

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    Post  Mike E Mon Oct 13, 2014 1:37 am

    TheArmenian wrote:The Novorossian armed forces (Vostok battalion) have displayed the BTR-4K they captured from the Ukrainian Nazguard.
    It is the command version and is similar to the ones supplied to Iraq.
    Next thing you know, the US media and state department will claim this vehicle was supplied by Russia! lol1
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    Post  Werewolf Mon Oct 13, 2014 5:36 am

    Support from Public to Ukropy army? From whom? Cities like Lviv?

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