Russia - Iran Military Cooperation

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Russian Defense Minister flies to Iran for signing a military cooperation agreement

Hopefully with Shoigu in Iran they will come to terms

TSAMTO: Russia lost $ 11-13 billion due to the failure of the military-technical cooperation with Iran

Viktor wrote:Hopefully with Shoigu in Iran they will come to terms

TSAMTO: Russia lost $ 11-13 billion due to the failure of the military-technical cooperation with Iran

i dont see anything more happen, since there is embargo in Iran as in N.Korea. Not any purchases

George1 wrote:i dont see anything more happen, since there is embargo in Iran as in N.Korea. Not any purchases

Well, Russian proposal was S-300VM instead (by my opinion far better system than S-300PMU1) that is not sanctioned but still packs and punch and makes a difference.

I havent looked into what is banned and what is not but apparently only offensive systems are banned as I remember.

George1 wrote:

Viktor wrote:Hopefully with Shoigu in Iran they will come to terms

TSAMTO: Russia lost $ 11-13 billion due to the failure of the military-technical cooperation with Iran

i dont see anything more happen, since there is embargo in Iran as in N.Korea. Not any purchases

I think that will all change soon.

S-300VM that was offered is far better than S-300PMU1. Iran is being stubborn about it (don't blame them actually) and I hope with Shoigu there, they can clear the deal and start building up Iran's defenses. Possibly an interceptor aircraft to work with F-14's of Iran to help protect its airspace.

Russian defense minister arrives in Tehran for two-day visit

Sergei Shoigu and Hossein Dehghan will discuss ways of intensifying military and military-technological cooperation between the two countries as well as questions of regional and global security.

TEHERAN, January 19 /TASS/. Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu arrived in Teheran for a two-day official visit to meet Iranian Defense Minister Brigade General Hossein Dehghan.

They will discuss ways of intensifying military and military-technological cooperation between the two countries as well as questions of regional and global security at talks on January 20.

Shoigu will also meet General Hassan Firouzabadi, the Chief of Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces.

The Russian Defense Ministry press service chief, Major General Igor Konashenkov, said in his previous statements that the two countries were planning to sign a military cooperation agreement during Shoigu’s visit.

The FARS news agency has quoted Hossein Dehghan as saying that it was necessary to develop defense ties between Teheran and Moscow, which in his words are a vital factor of stability and security in the entire Middle East region and Central Asia. General Dehghan expressed his opinion back in October 2013 when he replied to a letter by Sergei Shoigu who had congratulated him on his appointment as Iran’s defense minister. He also said that Russia occupied a special place in Iran’s foreign policy.

“Ongoing cooperation between the two countries will contribute to consolidation of efforts to strengthen regional and global security,” Iran’s defense minister said.

Iran’s news agency IRNA, in turn, has described Sergei Shoigu’s two-day visit as an “outstanding event.” The Russian defense minister’s visit will take the Russian-Iranian relations to a new level of security cooperation, IRNA said.

IRNA stated that Iran and Russia held identical views on many international and regional problems, including an agreement between Iran and the P5+1 group /five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council and Germany/ on Iran’s nuclear programme; the deployment of NATO’s missile defense system in Eastern Europe; the internal political crisis in Syria; problems of anti-terror struggle in the Middle East. IRNA also noted the convergence of the two countries’ approaches to problems of energy markets linked to radical slump of prices for fuel and energy.

Shoigu’s previous meeting with General Hossein Dehghan took place at the third Moscow International Security Conference in May 2014.

Viktor wrote:

George1 wrote:i dont see anything more happen, since there is embargo in Iran as in N.Korea. Not any purchases

Well, Russian proposal was S-300VM instead (by my opinion far better system than S-300PMU1) that is not sanctioned but still packs and punch and makes a difference.

I havent looked into what is banned and what is not but apparently only offensive systems are banned as I remember.

Quick question, does this ban also effect Air to Air missiles and/or combat aircraft??

In the current state those embargooes don't have any ground, if russia delivers S300, what the west gonna do about it, more sanctions? Worked fucking well for them....

Russia, Iran sign agreement on military cooperation

Russia-Iran Military-Technical Cooperation in Facts and Details

Russia and the Islamic Republic of Iran began active military-technical cooperation in 1990. Russia currently has extremely limited sales of military products and services to Iran, as the latter's defense industry is stated to have attained self-sufficiency.

MOSCOW, January 20 (Sputnik) — Russia and Iran signed a major military cooperation deal on Tuesday, during Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu's visit to Tehran, which, according to the minister, was a major step in the partnership of the two nations' armed forces.

Russia and the Islamic Republic of Iran began active military-technical cooperation in 1990. According to various sources, the former Soviet Union had delivered an estimated $733-890 million in weapons and military equipment to Iran by the end of 1990.

Bilateral military-technical cooperation was regulated by several inter-governmental agreements signed in 1989, 1990 and 1991.

Under these agreements, Moscow supplied Tehran with Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29 Fulcrum fighters and Sukhoi Su-24MK tactical bombers, SSK Kilo-class 877EKM diesel-electric submarines (including constructing housing and maintenance facilities) and S-200VE Vega-E surface-to-air missile (SAM) systems. Also, under the agreement, Iran manufactured T-72 tanks and BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicles under Russian license and direction.

In 1990, Iran received its first 14 MiG-29 warplanes. Aircraft deliveries to the country increased in 1991 and included 12 Su-24 bombers and 20 MiG-29/MiG-29UB fighters. In 1990-1991, Iran's MiG-29s received 350 R-27R and 576 R-60 air-to-air missiles. An additional six MiG-29/MiG-29UB were delivered to Iran in 1993-1994.

Between 1993 and 1997, Russia delivered approximately 120 BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicles and 800 9M111 anti-tank guided missiles. In 1992-1996, Iran received three SSK Kilo-class 877EKM diesel-electric submarines for which they paid a total of approximately $750 million.

In the early 1990s, average annual Russian arms and military equipment sales to Tehran were estimated to be about $500 million and constituted about 85 percent of all Russian exports to Iran.

On June 30, 1995, Russia signed a memorandum pledging that Moscow would refrain from signing any additional contracts for the delivery of conventional weapons to Iran. The memorandum also guaranteed the implementation of all existing contracts by late 1999. The document was signed by Russian Prime Minister Viktor Chernomyrdin and US Vice President Al Gore.

Russia was not able to implement every aspect of the signed contracts by the memorandum deadline of December 31, 1999, and, as a result, posted a $2-billion revenue shortfall. A further condition of the memorandum saw Russia cease delivery of spare parts and components for previously sold weapons and military equipment to Iran.

Beginning in 2000, Tehran repeatedly indicated to Moscow its desire to resume weapons purchases. The 1995 Russia-US memorandum agreement prevented any possibility of weapons sales to the country.

Reversing their decision, Russia in November 2000 officially notified the United States that it would annul the 1995 agreement effective December 1, 2000.

In October 2001, Russia and Iran signed a military-technical cooperation agreement during an official visit to Moscow by the Iranian Defense Minister. The document established a formal, legal framework for long-term weapons and military logistics cooperation between the two countries.

At the beginning of the new millennium, Iran was the fourth largest (6.1 percent) importer of military goods purchased from Russian state arms exporter Rosvooruzheniye, after China, India and the UAE.

In 2001-2002, Russia began to deliver ammunition and components for Iranian Air Force MiG-29 and Su-24MK aircraft. Also in 2001, Iran and Russian military equipment exporter Rosoboronexport signed a new contract for the purchase of 36 Mi-171SH helicopters. This contract was fulfilled in 2004.

Between 2000 and 2003 the Ulan-Ude Aircraft Plant delivered 27 civilian versions of the Mil Mi-171 military-transport helicopter to Iran.

In 2003, Russia delivered three Su-25UBK Frogfoot ground-attack aircraft to Iran. A contract for an additional three planes was signed in 2005.

In 2004, the Russian company Kurganmashzavod received about $60 million from Iran for 300 BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicles.

In early 2005, Russia delivered three more Mi-17 helicopters to Iran, purpose-built for medical service. That same year also saw delivery on a contract for Krasnopol-M guided artillery shells.

In December 2005, Russia and Iran signed a $1.4-billion contract for Russian weapons and military equipment, including 29 Tor-M1 SA-15 Gauntlet SAM missile systems. Moscow also contracted with the Iranian Air Force to upgrade their aircraft. According to unofficial reports, Russia pledged to repair and upgrade Iran's 24 Su-24 bombers under a $300-million contract. An additional contract supplied Iran with patrol speedboats.

In late December 2006, Russia delivered 29 Tor-M1 SAM systems to Iran. In February 2007, Moscow completed delivery of 1,200 mobile 9M331 Tor missiles, along with all necessary accessories, tools and instrumentation.

Though officially unconfirmed, Rosoboronexport was said to have mediated the sale to Iran of 200 V-84MS tank engines, manufactured at the Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant, for about $200 million. The Iranian military reportedly planned to install the engines in its Zulfiqar main battle tanks. The Zulfiqar tank design is based on the Russian T-72C tank and manufactured in Iran under a Russian license.

In 2007, Russia agreed to deliver five S-300PMU-1/SA-20 Gargoyle SAM systems (40 launchers) to Iran in exchange at a price of about $800 million.

On June 9, 2010, the UN Security Council passed a resolution implementing sanctions against Iran over its controversial nuclear program, many of them military, including a ban on the sale of modern weapons to the country. Russia joined in the sanctions and stopped all military-technical cooperation with Iran. On September 22, 2010, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev signed an executive order enforcing the UN Security Council resolution. The document banned all military sales from Russia to Iran and included the transfer of weapons to Iran from outside the borders of Russia by aircraft or vessels operating under the Russian state flag.

Military products banned under the UN Register of Conventional Arms cover almost every form of conventional weapon systems, including tanks, military armored vehicles, large-caliber artillery, warplanes, military helicopters, warships, missiles and missile systems. The ban also covers the spare parts, hardware and software required to maintain these weapons.

The UN Register of Conventional Arms did not ban the sale of small arms, field artillery and mortars with a caliber of less than 100 mm, transport helicopters, antiaircraft guns, radar systems, military vehicles and a number of other systems classed as "intermediate."

Russia currently has extremely limited sales of military products and services to Iran, as the latter's defense industry is stated to have attained self-sufficiency.

The Center for Analysis of World Arms Trade (CAWAT) estimates Russia has lost the opportunity to receive $11-13 billion in military-technical sales to Iran over the past several years. This sum would include delivery on contracts signed prior to the Tehran arms embargo. The estimate also takes into account missed profits relating to programs in the pipeline when weapons sales were terminated.

As estimated by CAWAT, Russia was in line to receive $1.8-2.2 billion for air defense weapons, $2.2-3.2 billion for naval weapons, $3.4-3.7 billion for aircraft and related weapons, $2.1-2.5 billion for ground weapons and an additional $200-250 million for spare parts, components, logistical support and routine repairs and maintenance contracts. The report identified a $200-million loss related to the sale of space communication systems and ground observation satellites.

A Russian-Iranian contract for S-300 SAM systems was also annulled after the introduction of the anti-Iran sanctions.

In the wake of the canceled contracts, Iran sued Rosoboronexport at the OSCE Court of Conciliation and Arbitration in Geneva, Switzerland. The Russian defendants offered an amicable settlement, promising to deliver additional Tor-M1E SAM missile systems at a later, unspecified date.

In October 2011, Russia delivered a ground-based 1L222 Avtobaza radar-jamming station to Iran. This was the first officially recorded sale following the introduction of sanctions.

Currently, Russia has two important challenges to solve if it wants to sell weapons to Iran. First, it must persuade Tehran to retract its lawsuit from the OSCE Court of Conciliation and Arbitration in Geneva. Second, Iran must see the resolution of its nuclear issue by diplomatic means. Resolution of these two issues will make it possible to lift the UN Security Council sanctions on Iran, allowing a resumption of Russian arms sales and military assistance to the country.

Hopefully this time

Ivashov: military agreement of Russia and Iran revives the delivery of S-300

Former head of the International Cooperation Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Colonel-General Leonid Ivashov said that the signing of the agreement - another step towards the economic and military-technical cooperation between Russia and Iran and defensive systems such as the C-300, the Russian Federation will still deliver

I think Russia should offer Iran S-400 for the price of S-300PMU1 as a apology and call it a day

"It is a step towards economic and military-technical cooperation, at least as a defensive system, the C-300 and C-400, we probably still will deliver," - said Ivashov.

Viktor wrote:Hopefully this time  

Ivashov: military agreement of Russia and Iran revives the delivery of S-300

Former head of the International Cooperation Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Colonel-General Leonid Ivashov said that the signing of the agreement - another step towards the economic and military-technical cooperation between Russia and Iran and defensive systems such as the C-300, the Russian Federation will still deliver

I think Russia should offer Iran S-400 for the price of S-300PMU1 as a apology and call it a day  

"It is a step towards economic and military-technical cooperation, at least as a defensive system, the C-300 and C-400, we probably still will deliver," - said Ivashov.

I would like to see Russian jets in Iran. MiG-35 would be ideal for them and for Russia as a market

George1 wrote:I would like to see Russian jets in Iran. MiG-35 would be ideal for them and for Russia as a market

Any Russian fighter or weapon for that matter would be good for Iran. Imagine 150 Su-35 with 100 Su-34 and 5 S-300V4 brigades around. I know its far fetched but still

it would be a different story althgether with Iran in that case.

I really hope Babak Taghvaee is right on this, could be the start of something beautiful. But until we actually see any of this gear in Iran, just words at the moment. Russia should really, really give the middle finger to the US imperialist pigs once and for all and sell to everyone with no exception, especially if they stand against the yanks, whether straight sales or licences and/or ToT, the iranian defence market alone should worth for instance at least 20 billion, if not a lot more! Sell to Iran, Syria (they needed everything!), North Korea, offer top of the line Su-35, Su-34, S-400, Iskander and many more to any existing or potential customers especially Middle Eastern countries, without regard to US demanded limits whatsoever. Let the bastards and their lackeys sweat.

http://www.uskowioniran.com/2015/01/possible-dimensions-of-russo-iranian.html

There is considerable open source buzz concerning this week's meeting between the Iranian and Russian defense ministers in Tehran. Aviation writer Babak Taghvaee asserts the following:

- Two S-300PMU-2 batteries will be delivered to Iran
- Russian will overhaul and upgrade IRIAF's Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29s and Su-24s to SMT and M2 level respectively, in Tehran

Taghvaee further asserts the defense ministers discussed the followings:
- Russian assistance in overhauling Iranian Ilyushin Il-76 transport aircraft
- Procurement of 48 new Klimov RD-33 engines for IRIAF
- Procurement of 24 Sukhoi Su-30MK fighter aircraft
- Procurement of 100 BTR-80 armored personnel carriers
- Procurement of two Sukhoi Su-25UBKs and delivery of embargoed Sukhoi Su-39 CAS aircraft
- Provision of engines and ejection seats for the Iranian Kowsar 88 training jet via RSK MiG, as well as possible acquisition of Yak-130 for IRGC-ASF instead of the K-8s

Probably bollocks though, for a number of reasons.

Potential measurement of the Russian-Iranian military dialogue / cooperation

According to some Western analysts, referring to Iranian sources, the practical result of the visit of Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu to Tehran and his talks with his Iranian counterpart Hossein Dehghani (HosseinDehghan) can be delivery to Iran of two anti-aircraft missile systems (batteries) C-300PMU- 2, as well as repair and upgrade the facilities of the local repair enterprises consisting of Iran Air Force MiG-29 and Su-24 bombers with bringing them to the level of the MiG-29 SMT modifications and Su-24M2, respectively.

Iranian sources say that on the agenda of talks between the military departments of Russia and Iran could be the following issues:

- Russian technical assistance in the modernization of the Iranian military transport aircraft Il-76;

- Purchase of current production 48 RD-33 engines for the needs of the Air Force of Iran;

- Purchase of Iran Air Force 24 Su-30MK fighters;

- Purchase 100 BTR-80

- Purchase of two combat-capable Su-25UBK and completion of delivery of Su-39, became subject to the embargo imposed by the Security Council earlier

- Delivery through the RAC "MiG" Russian engines and ejection seats for completing training aircraft (TCB) Kowsar 88 Iranian development, as well as the possible purchase from the IRGC Air Force of Russian Yak-130 to replace the Sino-Pakistani K-8.


Commenting on the agenda, foreign experts note the following:

1. Supply S-300 at any given point in time is more than strange. If any, will take place, it will demonstrate the course of Russia to further aggravation of relations with the United States in connection with the Ukrainian crisis, or even more so - that the red line in the relations of the two countries have already crossed.

2. Iranian transporters IL-76 were and are "workhorses" in the question of supply-led Iran coalition group of forces opposed to LIH and al-Qaeda in the region. And as such, they certainly are the subject of cooperation between the parties concerned, which is likely to have practical results.

3. Iran Air Force really need to upgrade their MiG-29 and Su-24, as well as the replacement of a number of systems of these types of aircraft. Introduced last year at the initiative of the US sanctions by Western countries against Russia in connection with the events in Ukraine are an additional economic incentive for Russia, as a supplier to supply Iran with the specified special equipment and the provision of related services.

4. Supply of Su-30MK, if held, it is clear that in the long run. Again, in the case of Russia, it may be an element of the game on the worsening of relations with the West. However, in the case of Iran, the economic situation of the country can eliminate the possibility of such purchases, though obviously the Iranian Air Force needed a new multifunctional combat aircraft.

5. Purchase of party BTR-80 is logical from Iran, in particular, to enhancing the protection of national borders, as they write about Iranian sources. For Russia, this is again an additional economic incentive to overcome the effects of Western sanctions.

6. Supply of Su-25 at the current time may reflect compensation for losses incurred by the Iranians in the war with LIH.

7. Purchase of Iranians Russian engines and ejection seats for the acquisition of its TCB Kowsar 88, as well as the purchase of Russian CF (they can be viewed as a light combat aircraft) will depend on the current economic situation in the country, which it is not yet conducive. However, as in the case of the Su-30MK, study this issue now can give the bottom line in the future, under more favorable conditions.

Very interesting analysis

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1152342.html

Iran Expects Russia to Honor Contract on Delivery of S-300 Missile Systems

Russia suspended the contract in 2010 following a UN Security Council resolution to stop the sale of arms to Iran due to its controversial nuclear energy program.

MOSCOW, January 27 (RIA Novosti) – Iran expects Russia to meet its contractual obligations to deliver the S-300 air defense systems, canceled by Moscow after international sanctions were imposed on the country, Iranian Ambassador to Russia Mehdi Sanaei told RIA Novosti in an interview Tuesday.

“Iran continues to view the S-300 contract as legitimate and not a subject of international sanctions as it was signed before the introduction of sanctions and the [S-300] is a defensive rather than an offensive system,” Sanaei said.

Russia agreed in 2007 to accept $800-million from Iran to deliver five S-300 surface-to-air missile defense systems.

“Iran is still expecting the implementation of the contract. We hope that the [recent] visit of [Russian Defense Minister Sergei] Shoigu to Tehran is a good sign,” the Iranian ambassador said.

Russia suspended the contract in 2010 following a UN Security Council resolution to stop the sale of arms to Iran due to its controversial nuclear energy program.

In the wake of the canceled contracts, Iran sued Russia's state arms exporter Rosoboronexport at the OSCE Court of Conciliation and Arbitration in Geneva, Switzerland. Moscow has offered Tehran a settlement, promising to deliver additional Tor-M1E SAM missile systems at a later, unspecified date.

According to the Center for Analysis of World Arms Trade, Russia has lost out on $11 —13 billion for the sale of arms to Iran because of the sanctions.

What Su-39? AFAIK it's just a prototype.

How is the S-300PMU2 possible if Iran is still under sanctions? I would think that would cover at least the BTRs too.

The upgrades for their Su-24s and MiG-29s sound good though.

flamming_python wrote:How is the S-300PMU2 possible if Iran is still under sanctions?

Because the arms sanctions do not forbid the selling of ground-to-air missiles to Iran.
Not delivering the S-300 to Iran was a gesture of goodwill to the West and Israel.

Russia in Talks With Iran on Tor-M1 Missile System Modernization

GarryB wrote:That was not appreciated and was a wasted effort.

It wasn't appreciated by the West but I think it was by Israel.

Israel hasn't turned on Russia so far in this whole episode, unlike some others. Russia should acknowledge Israel's effort as it was surely no small feat to withstand US pressure. It may not be the most improtant country globally speaking but this is more about principle than anything else; Russia shouldn't bat away a hand that's extended to it at a time when other countries are trying their best to isolate it.

Not that Russia should be held hostage to Israel's concerns or anything, but it should recognize Israel's concerns and not sell Iran anything provocative that might upset the balance of power. Su-39s and MiG-29, Su-24 upgrades, BTR-82s are fine.

Russia-Iran Arms Sales Could Reach $11-13Bln if UN Lifts Embargo – Expert

Full-scale military-technical cooperation between Moscow and Tehran would be resumed if the UN arms embargo is lifted, a Russian military expert opined.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — When the UN sanctions are lifted, the potential market for deals between Russia and Iran for military hardware could be estimated to reach $11-13 billion, Igor Korotchenko, the head of a Russian think tank specializing in weapons sales, said on Friday.

In accordance with Thursday’s nuclear energy deal reached during Iran-P5+1 talks, US and EU sanctions imposed on Iran will be suspended after the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) verifies that Tehran is following through with the agreements. Russia’s Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov added that the UN arms embargo against Iran should also be lifted.

“Our countries have great potential for development of military-technical cooperation, the full scale of possible Russian arms deliveries to Iran could reach 11-13 billion dollars," Korotchenko told RIA Novosti.

Much to the dismay, no doubt, of at least 47 US Republican Senators, a Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) was reached concerning Iran's nuclear program Thursday, after 8 straight days of final-round negotiations, in Lausanne, Switzerland.

He stressed that full-scale military-technical cooperation between Moscow and Tehran would be resumed if the UN arms embargo is lifted.

According to Korotchenko, Russia could become a major supplier of military equipment to the Islamic Republic, as Tehran, planning an ambitious program of rearmament for the country's army and navy, is politically unlikely to buy weapons from Western countries.

On June 9, 2010, the UN Security Council passed a resolution implementing sanctions against Iran over its controversial nuclear program. Many of the sanction were military, including a ban on the sale of modern weapons to the country.

On September 22, 2010, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev signed an executive order enforcing the UN Security Council resolution. The document banned all military sales from Russia to Iran and included the transfer of weapons to Iran from outside the borders of Russia by aircraft or vessels operating under the Russian state flag.

In October 2011, Russia delivered a ground-based 1L222 Avtobaza radar-jamming station to Iran. This was the first officially recorded sale following the introduction of sanctions.

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