The Situation in the Ukraine. #16

JohninMK wrote:From the 'you couldn't make it up' department. Lets go back to the 1500s guys!

KYIV, June 27 /Ukrinform/. President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko states that decentralization is one of the most important reforms that he promised to hold and thanks to which Ukraine will get vaccinated against totalitarianism. The Head of State said this at a meeting of the Constitutional Commission, an Ukrinform correspondent reports.
"Decentralization will become powerful vaccination against totalitarianism. This is a correct mechanism of democratization," the President said. He recalled that the Magdeburg Law, due to which the Ukrainian cities were completely controlled by citizens, came immediately after its introduction in Europe. In particular, Lviv received the self government in 1356, while Kyiv got it in 1494. "Decentralization is our way back to Europe," Poroshenko summed up.

Yeah, having local fiefs is just so democratic. What a maggot.

One would think that Ukraine has been living in a totalitarian hell hole since 1991. When I look at Ukraine I see violent, bitter losers who need
to find someone to blame for all their failures. They will totally reject reality in order to pursue this feel good ego boosting. Ukraine is a
pathetic failed state with this sort of mentality. No amount of NATO money will fix it. These losers need to fix their brains first.

Cowboy's daughter wrote:Does anyone by chance happen to have at hand a news article about if a Nationalist was President of Russia, we (the USA) would probably already been nuked before now, and that President Putin is very restrained??? It was in English.

..thanks in advance if anyone does...

Sorry, I don't know about such fresh article, but it sounds very like something that Paul Craig Roberts would write. Are you by any chance familiar with his work? Example:
Will Washington Kill Us All?

Boreas wrote:

Cowboy's daughter wrote:Does anyone by chance happen to have at hand a news article about if a Nationalist was President of Russia, we (the USA) would probably already been nuked before now, and that President Putin is very restrained??? It was in English.

..thanks in advance if anyone does...

Sorry, I don't know about such fresh article, but it sounds very like something that Paul Craig Roberts would write. Are you by any chance familiar with his work? Example:
Will Washington Kill Us All?

Thank you, Boreas. It wasn't a anti-Russia, anti-Putin article.
I have read paul craig roberts, but not in a while.

I'm wondering if it was Stephen F. Cohen..

Cowboy's daughter wrote:

Boreas wrote:

Cowboy's daughter wrote:Does anyone by chance happen to have at hand a news article about if a Nationalist was President of Russia, we (the USA) would probably already been nuked before now, and that President Putin is very restrained??? It was in English.

..thanks in advance if anyone does...

Sorry, I don't know about such fresh article, but it sounds very like something that Paul Craig Roberts would write. Are you by any chance familiar with his work? Example:
Will Washington Kill Us All?

Thank you, Boreas. It wasn't a anti-Russia, anti-Putin article.
I have read paul craig roberts, but not in a while.

I'm wondering if it was Stephen F. Cohen..

Yeah, that's why I suggested P.C.Roberts as an author, I don't think he is anti-Russia or anti-Putin at all, in fact he seems to be very sane person who fights against propagandistic demonisation of Russia.

I have noticed a dramatic decrease in OSCE activities over the last few days. A comment on their reports is not needed, we all know, but in years past in certain areas where I was serving one could tell when untoward events were about to happen when the useless blue helmets made themselves scarce. Is OSCE the same bell weather or are they simply being recognized as to how useless they are?

Last night ukrops commited yet another warcrime. Five missiles, not determined which type, hit the water filtration plant at Yasinovataya and cut the water supply. At the same time artillery shells hit the electricity substation. Fortunately repair crews have already got the plant back into operation. While Clinton, Bush junior, Blair, Cameron and Sarkozy will never face trial for their war crimes, there is at least a small possibility that Poroshenko may be caught and dealt with. http://dan-news.info/defence/ukrainskie-siloviki-obstrelyali-filtrovalnuyu-stanciyu-v-yasinovatskom-rajone.html

Khepesh wrote:While Clinton, Bush junior, Blair, Cameron and Sarkozy will never face trial for their war crimes, there is at least a small possibility that Poroshenko may be caught and dealt with.

Personally I don't believe this will ever happen. Putin is content on doing business with Poroshenko and Russia is the only country that even theoretically could want to punish the junta leaders of Kiev. And currently Russia is not interested in that.

Khepesh wrote:Last night ukrops commited yet another warcrime. Five missiles, not determined which type, hit the water filtration plant at Yasinovataya and cut the water supply. At the same time artillery shells hit the electricity substation. Fortunately repair crews have already got the plant back into operation. While Clinton, Bush junior, Blair, Cameron and Sarkozy will never face trial for their war crimes, there is at least a small possibility that Poroshenko may be caught and dealt with.  http://dan-news.info/defence/ukrainskie-siloviki-obstrelyali-filtrovalnuyu-stanciyu-v-yasinovatskom-rajone.html

I doubt anything will happen to him or the rabbit anytime soon, the lot of them will run when the time comes and be given asylum wherever they want in the west. On the other hand, memories are quite long and I doubt many of them will live to collect their pensions.

JohninMK wrote:Constitutional talks: Yes, DNR/LPR were consulted and we include all the Venice Group suggestions, said Poro ....... No we weren't consulted says DNR. So the saga goes on with, by the look of it, Kiev winning the PR battle by a mile. Mind you, no-one is listening out there.

MOSCOW, June 29. /TASS/. Ukraine’s constitutional reform should be carried out by the deadline under the Minsk agreements and with the consent of the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Luhansk people’s republics, the DPR’s envoy to the Contact Group, Denis Pushilin, said on Monday. "I judge from the positions of the Minsk agreement that clearly states that a constitutional reform should take place in Ukraine with the consent of the DPR and LPR and defines the timeframe for its implementation by the official Kiev," Pushilin was quoted by the Donetsk news agency as saying. Pushilin said the current policy of Kiev authorities is clearly aimed at delaying the process of resolving the conflict in Donbas. "All this may be and should be considered not only as protracting the negotiation process, but as the direct failure to implement the agreement on peaceful settlement of the conflict," he stressed.

Under point 11 of the package of measures on implementing the Minsk agreements, the reform that includes the entry into force of a new constitution should be carried out by late 2015. A constitutional commission approved a basic text of amendments to Ukraine’s key law on decentralization on June 26. Ukraine’s President Pyotr Poroshenko claimed "the Donbas representatives participated in devising these amendments."

However, the leaders of the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Luhansk republics later said their representatives were not delegated to participate in the work of Kiev’s constitutional commission.

Poroshenko specifically said 'Donbas', he did not say DNR and/or LNR. His government in Kiev has a government in the areas outside DNR and LNR but Minsk specifically states DNR and LNR, not 'Donbas'. This according to my resident translator and stukach. I will ask her to verify.

JohninMK wrote:For all you Russian speakers (or Yandexers), a really positive write up on Crimea as it is now.

http://littlehirosima.livejournal.com/72768.html

Read it this morning and she is pretty correct in all she wrote including the doubling of the cost of Massandrah wine, of course my favorite.

0 Maidan soldiers KIA 5 Maidan soldiers WIA yesterday.

Khepesh wrote:Last night ukrops commited yet another warcrime. Five missiles, not determined which type, hit the water filtration plant at Yasinovataya and cut the water supply. At the same time artillery shells hit the electricity substation. Fortunately repair crews have already got the plant back into operation. While Clinton, Bush junior, Blair, Cameron and Sarkozy will never face trial for their war crimes, there is at least a small possibility that Poroshenko may be caught and dealt with.  http://dan-news.info/defence/ukrainskie-siloviki-obstrelyali-filtrovalnuyu-stanciyu-v-yasinovatskom-rajone.html

Ukrops are threshing and snapping left and right desperate to provoke some kind of response because they want that defensive advantage all for themselves, plus while this lasts Holholland is in spinning down the crapper at faster pace than expected.

NAF on the other hand are not falling for it. They will take out the trash eventually but it will be on their terms.

Porky and Co. will never see the inside of a courtroom. They will live long, happy and wealthy lives in one of good old western democracies.
They will be revered as heroes, receive fat paychecks on top of what they already have and live out their blissful existence in peace just like their predecessors before them.

But millions of those average shitheads on the ground who enabled, supported and facilitated this mess will hopefully not be so lucky and will curse the day they were born.

Suffering of handful of top jerks is meaningless as history has proven already countless times. It is those millions willing slaves that must be punished. This is one of those cases where there really is quality in quantity.
In this day and age they cannot use lack of information as an excuse, that ship has sailed the moment camera-phone hit the market.

Those who started this war thought that Ukraine will be tale of success. In order for their victims to have justice it must become cautionary tale instead.

A bit offtopic.

Are you guys watching today's news concerning Greece? It's total chaos on financial markets right now. Europeans banks only today just lost 50 billion. Portugese, Spanish and Italian shares are going down in price very fast. Conveniently also part of the "PIIGS". The weakest economies of the EU.

JohninMK wrote:The next round of gas talks, covering the summer and probably next winter.

[i]MOSCOW (Sputnik) – Russian Energy Minister Alexander Novak on Monday confirmed that trilateral talks between the European Union, Russia, and Ukraine are scheduled for June 30 in Vienna. “Yes,” Novak said in response to whether trilateral talks would be held on Tuesday in Vienna.

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Read more: http://sputniknews.com/business/20150629/1023971913.html#ixzz3eRa5C5kP

So basically Russia continue to be the main gas supplier for Kyiv ? I wonder where is the so-called divine shale oil of Obama

Oh wait, Russia is an "invader", why Kyiv continue to trade with "invader" ?

^ Oh I'm sure he and his immediate cronies will end up in London or New York. But while he is still in Ukraine we can still hope that he will meet the same fate as Ceausescu and his own guards will turn against him. Perhaps reading about the fate of several Roman Emperors will give them sleepless nights wondering what the price of "loyalty" is.

Khepesh wrote:^ Oh I'm sure he and his immediate cronies will end up in London or New York. But while he is still in Ukraine we can still hope that he will meet the same fate as Ceausescu and his own guards will turn against him. Perhaps reading about the fate of several Roman Emperors will give them sleepless nights wondering what the price of "loyalty" is.

Hopefully, you are right. It would definitely be welcome development.

Fathers to their men

Guns for Sale: Ukrainian Generals Write Off Good Arms to Get Rich

Ukrainian generals are writing off combat-ready weapons as “retired” to sell them at profit, an ex-battalion commander-turned-Verhovna Rada deputy said when meeting with soldiers in Kharkov.

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150629/1023975790.html

“Not long ago we were in Sarny, a small town in western Ukraine, where we found a whole 1,200 152mm howitzers, over 500 Rapier anti-tank guns and lots of ammunition, all in perfect order, waiting to be sold to the highest bidder instead of being sent to the frontlines,” said Andriy Biletsky, the onetime commander of the notorious Azov voluntary battalion.

“There is one little catch here though – all these new cannons have long been written off as scrap metal and are waiting to be sold to Africa, China, Latin America, anywhere,” he added.

After he was elected to parliament, Andriy Biletsky gave up his position as Azov commander, but, unofficially, he still remains in control of the unit.

The Azov battalion is a far-right neo-Nazi all-volunteer paramilitary militia formed a year ago as part of the military reserve of the National Guard of Ukraine. The official Azov emblem is the Wolfsangel ("wolf-anchor").

During World War II, the symbol and its elements were used by various Nazi German military units, including the SS Panzer Division “Das Reich”.