Yemeni Conflict: News #2

^^' 146 personel was killed, including 23 Saudis, 7 Emiratis and 18 Sudanese. I don't know identity of the rest (presumably Yemenis...?)

Am I correct in assuming it was a Tochka hit into Aden? Must have been spot on target.

A Colonel seems a bit low rank to be I/C of the operation given the multi country make up. Would have expected a 1* but then maybe 'active' Saudi officers peak at Colonel.

Militarov wrote:SaudiArabia Col. Abdallah Al-Sihyan, commander of GCC operations in Yemen has been killed in what appears to be Tochka balistic missile attack on command post of the Coalition, few more reports of dead and injured high ranked UAE and Saudi officers.

This one tho seems like he tried to resemble Captain Price as much as possible - Gamers only

Tacticool, got schooled.

flamming_python wrote:

Militarov wrote:SaudiArabia Col. Abdallah Al-Sihyan, commander of GCC operations in Yemen has been killed in what appears to be Tochka balistic missile attack on command post of the Coalition, few more reports of dead and injured high ranked UAE and Saudi officers.

Tacticool, got schooled.

The final little remains of the British Empire. UK style 240V 3 pin power sockets on the wall

JohninMK wrote:Am I correct in assuming it was a Tochka hit into Aden? Must have been spot on target.

A Colonel seems a bit low rank to be I/C of the operation given the multi country make up. Would have expected a 1* but then maybe 'active' Saudi officers peak at Colonel.

This guy was the commanding officer of the RGS SOF group in Aden. Not of the whole operation. Normally Top Brass squirrels don't run around in ops, that's basically an Iranian Anomaly.

Yemen rocket Qaher-1

Huthis and fighting on their side of the Yemeni army, presented a new strategic missile Qaher-1. It was said about her start at the Saudi airbase named Khalid bin Abdul Aziz Khamis Mush. As stated, and seen the HR channel Al-Masirah, the new missile is a modified firing at ground targets for this anti-aircraft missiles from S-75. It is reported that work on the modified missiles were performed by the Department of the Army and the military industry People's Committees.

That's interesting, is not there a trace of Iran .. We know that Iran has such a missile system Tondar 69 (B611), developed by the China-based SAM HQ-2 (China's modernized version of the C-75) in the late 1980s. Iran, as you know, in the early 1990s, it became the only buyer, acquiring own systems and production technology.







http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1625513.html

Strategic missile... ICBM it surely is.

What is the CEP for this? If it's >50m, it's pretty much useless.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Strategic missile... ICBM it surely is.

What is the CEP for this? If it's >50m, it's pretty much useless.

Are you high son?

SA-2 missile has a pretty small warhead - several times smaller than the warhead of Scud. Hence my doubts about that invention.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:SA-2 missile has a pretty small warhead - several times smaller than the warhead of Scud. Hence my doubts about that invention.

The SA-2 might have small warhead, but this time the guidance mechanism can be taken out and more payload can be fitted. Hez has been using SA-2 motors/boosters to make heavy artillery rockets for some time.

There is a big Saudi howitzer in the photo at the link. What is it?

The seven-day ceasefire will come into force in Yemen on Tuesday beginning with 12:00 p.m. local time [09:00 GMT], the command of the coalition of Arab states, conducting a military operation against the Shiite movement Ansar Allah, known as the Houthis, said in a statement.

CAIRO (Sputnik) — The initiative for a ceasefire, according to the statement, is attributed to Yemeni President Abd Rabbuh Mansur Hadi, who submitted a respective request to the king of Saudi Arabia. The truce will last from December 15 to December 21 "at the time of intra-Yemeni talks," the statement said.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151215/1031746782/arab-coalition-suspends-yemen-hostilities.html#ixzz3uKl7ZKUx

At first we have this from the BBC.

A Saudi military commander and an Emirati officer are reported to be among a number of Gulf, Yemeni and Sudanese soldiers killed in Yemen.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35091675

And then we have some information from an UAE newspapper, which is ofcourse mourning the deaths of 'martyrs'.
https://www.wam.ae/en/news/emirates/1395289223805.html

152 Feared Dead in Yemen Ballistic Missle Strike.
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/2015/12/14/united-arab-emirates/77289732/


I think we can conclude the Houthi/Saleh-missile strike hit quite well.

Shadåw wrote:At first we have this from the BBC.

I think we can conclude the Houthi/Saleh-missile strike hit quite well.

And sadly probably noted in Kiev.

JohninMK wrote:There is a big Saudi howitzer in the photo at the link. What is it?

The seven-day ceasefire will come into force in Yemen on Tuesday beginning with 12:00 p.m. local time [09:00 GMT], the command of the coalition of Arab states, conducting a military operation against the Shiite movement Ansar Allah, known as the Houthis, said in a statement.

CAIRO (Sputnik) — The initiative for a ceasefire, according to the statement, is attributed to Yemeni President Abd Rabbuh Mansur Hadi, who submitted a respective request to the king of Saudi Arabia. The truce will last from December 15 to December 21 "at the time of intra-Yemeni talks," the statement said.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151215/1031746782/arab-coalition-suspends-yemen-hostilities.html#ixzz3uKl7ZKUx

OUps wrong image, that's a m198 Howie.

what amazes me about all this is despite the numerous reports of Saudi, coalition, and mercenary forces casualties, people in the west rarely hear about it, and i have a Saudi/Egyptian friend who said no casualties have been reported, no ships destroyed and no aircraft lost whatsoever, when i told him about the report about 450 tanks destroyed etc he said this was wrong nothing had been reported, in fact he even dismissed houthis etc had even taken land in Saudi Arabia. Surely the west, Saudi Arabia and coalition countries cant be this much in denial can they???????

It also amazes me d_taddei2.
Seems like the loses are quite substantial for the Saudis coalition.

No one is in denial. It's just that the Saudis are golden assholes who can't be arsed to be reigned in. It's the privilege of being the West's favourite medieval lot.
There's a lot of actual talks from people I know about the fact that maybe Net-centric warfare is overrated. That people whith local knowledge, will power and dedication can pull things like these on far more experienced troops as well. This goes against the theatre interdiction methods, employed so far.

Released by Yemen Fights Back media hub.

how dare you call them mercenaries?! they are private military contractors, an obviously very different thing!

Fred333 wrote:how dare you call them mercenaries?! they are private military contractors, an obviously very different thing!

I read last week that the Mexican killed was the guy in charge or perhaps he should have been referred to as the 'in country team leader'. Isn't Blackwater now Academi or something as they tried to rebrand themselves, clearly not working tho'.

That list of damage done by one Tochka is amazing, almost incredible. Either both the intelligence they had on the target and the aiming of the missile were top class, or they of just got lucky, very lucky, or a combination of both.

The two ships I assume ran into each other in a panic in an attempt to escape.

JohninMK wrote:

Fred333 wrote:how dare you call them mercenaries?! they are private military contractors, an obviously very different thing!

I read last week that the Mexican killed was the guy in charge or perhaps he should have been referred to as the 'in country team leader'. Isn't Blackwater now Academi or something as they tried to rebrand themselves, clearly not working tho'.

That list of damage done by one Tochka is amazing, almost incredible. Either both the intelligence they had on the target and the aiming of the missile were top class, or they of just got lucky, very lucky, or a combination of both.

The two ships I assume ran into each other in a panic in an attempt to escape.

The Tochka probably hit some ammo - judging by the amount of military equipment hit there should have been plenty of munitions too. And then fireworks ensued.
But ofc the Tochka has a large warhead itself.

Info surfaced out that Saudis are sending the National Guard to Yemeni border. Running low on manpower perhaps?

@kotemore
Houthis aren't 100% non-netcentric. They have modern communications, modern intelligence gathering etc. That stuff matters as much or even more than actual military equipment.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote: Info surfaced out that Saudis are sending the National Guard to Yemeni border. Running low on manpower perhaps?

@kotemore
Houthis aren't 100% non-netcentric. They have modern communications, modern intelligence gathering etc. That stuff matters as much or even more than actual military equipment.

A net centric military is one that asses, evaluates, prioritizes, manages the theatre in real time. This means a lot more than a couple of encrypted coms. I mean a deep preparation, including maneuvers, counterforce movement, counter attack movement, fall back procedures, QRF reserves etc.

There isn't such a thing so far for the houthis because they are not fighting a net-centric war, they're largely reliant in HUMINT for theatre operations and only take mission critical components when and if they need them. They got a very low footprint in theatre and obviously very little central planning.

They're marauding the Saudi border to death. It's not deep incursions yet because they need to stay under the damn radar. Given that the KSA has an overwhelming intelligence advantage over the Yemenis, even those Elint the YA might get, they get them from Russia or Iran. There's also a very weird thing happening. Very little use of UAV's, although Iran has many of them, to give.

And again it's perfectly normal, they know their turf and want to be as stealth on the AO as possible. But still that leaves a delay in Humint assessing and leaves them prone to GSM lines being cut an satcom being jammed.

If the houthis rely on a cold war era method, it is because of necessity, given the total control in the EW the KSA has.