Tank Warfare: Russian Armour vs Western Armour

For the first time Russian gunners might have to sweat a little and aim at weakspots.

Putler loosen the purse strings and give your soldiers T-14 with Vacuum-1s!

I was referring to that video where the Russian tankers where studying a L2 chart. Sheesh. Is this forum getting dumber or what?

A pic with the weak spots of the Leo2.

Svinets-1/2 is in serial production.

ALAMO wrote:As a standard T-90 AZ autoloader can hold a 740 mm long 3BM59&60, how to fit a 900 mm long Vacuum? Just by cutting hole into side of a hull, that is 80+80 mm - exactly the lacking 160 mm length. And cover it from the outside by welding the plates on it, under the traction.

Wut? That only gives space for one round, where are they getting the other 160 mm from?

"Leopard" vs. T-90: which tank will change the course of the conflict in Ukraine, by Andrey Kots for RIANOVOSTI. 01.30.2023.

The 1130 horsepower diesel engine, together with the transmission units, forms a monoblock system - this facilitates maintenance and repair. The maximum speed on the highway is 70 kilometers per hour, the cruising range is 550 kilometers. In addition, there is an auxiliary power unit that provides electricity for electronic equipment when the main engine is turned off.

Descendants of the Tigers

Now the Armed Forces of Ukraine will have the most colorful tank fleet in the world. Along with the still combat-ready T-64 and T-72, the American M1A2 Abrams, German Leopard 2 and British Challenger 2 will enter service. If France and Italy join, Leclerc and C1 Ariete will be added.

These are modern and formidable machines. They are especially dangerous if they go on the offensive on a narrow sector of the front.

The most powerful is the Leopard, the second largest main battle tank in NATO after the Abrams. It was developed during the Cold War and modernized several times. Kyiv was promised modifications of A4, A5 and A6. The Germans have no more than a hundred of the most modern A7+..

Leopard 2 is a classic tank. The engine compartment is in the rear of the vehicle, the combat compartment is in the middle, and the control is in the front. Crew of four: commander, driver, gunner and loader.

The gun is a Rheinmetall smoothbore, caliber 120 mm. Engine - 1500 horsepower. The maximum speed on the highway is 72 kilometers per hour, the cruising range is up to 550 kilometers.

The A4 variant was produced in the second half of the 1980s. Then they significantly improved the armor protection of the tower, increased the survivability of the crew, provided more powerful shells, and upgraded the ballistic computer. This modification is the most "belligerent" to this day: for example, it is actively used by Turkey in Syria.

The A5 version is from the 1990s. The forehead and sides of the turret were covered with spaced armor modules, and the gun mantlet was completely redesigned. The driver's hatch was also redesigned, which improved visibility. The electro-hydraulic gun stabilization system was replaced with a fully electric one, the gunner received an upgraded sight, and the commander received a second-generation independent thermal imager built into a panoramic observation device. The tank was also provided with a GPS navigation system.

In the A6, the turret was made even stronger, and mine protection was added. The length of the gun barrel was increased by 11 calibers. The muzzle energy, the muzzle velocity of the shells have also grown, and, as a result, their armor penetration and range of destruction.

Increased survivability

The most dangerous enemy of the German "cats" is the T-90M, the most modern Russian tank. This is a deeply revised version of the machine, adopted in the 1990s. The modernized turret has a developed aft niche with ammunition. Under normal conditions, the firing compartment is isolated from the fighting compartment and the crew, which dramatically increases survivability.

The forehead of the hull and turret are covered with combined armor with additional overhead protection. From cumulative ammunition covers the complex of dynamic protection of the "Relikt" type, capable of repelling a shot even from the most modern western anti-tank systems. Especially for the T-90M, they created multi-layer covers "Cape", which reduce the visibility of the machine in various ranges and reduce the detection range.

The 1130 horsepower diesel engine, together with the transmission units, forms a monoblock system - this facilitates maintenance and repair. The maximum speed on the highway is 70 kilometers per hour, the cruising range is 550 kilometers. In addition, there is an auxiliary power unit that provides electricity for electronic equipment when the main engine is turned off.

This feature makes the tank ideal for ambush attacks. For example, one of the predecessors, the T-72B3, first needs to start a rather noisy engine to fire.

In addition, the T-90M is perfectly oriented on the battlefield. The fire control system "Kalina" has a combined day-night sight of the gunner "Sosna-U" and a panoramic sight of the PAN commander. There is a target tracking machine, a two-plane armament stabilizer, friend or foe identification equipment, and navigation aids. According to the observation devices, the machine is in no way inferior to its Western counterparts.

Many factors

In general, the Leopard 2 for the T-90M is not so invulnerable. Experts say that the armor of German vehicles is effective only at distances over 2000 meters.

“Plus, these tanks, unlike Russian ones, are not equipped with dynamic protection against cumulative ammunition. At line-of-sight ranges of up to 1,500 meters or less, which are typical for the terrain in Ukraine, the armor of NATO tanks will confidently penetrate the shells of Russian 2A46 tank guns,” the chief explained. editor of the magazine "Arsenal of the Fatherland" Viktor Murakhovsky.

However, the Leopard's cannon pierces the T-90M head-on from the same distances. The advantage of the Russian car can be attributed to a lower profile, which allows you to disguise yourself in the folds of the terrain. "Cat" is much more noticeable. True, he has more advanced observation devices and a thermal imager.

The success of a particular machine on the battlefield does not always depend on the nominal performance characteristics. The decisive factors are the level of crew training, intelligence, interaction with other units, stable communications. In addition, the worst enemy of a tank on the battlefield is not another tank, grenade launcher or ATGM operator, but an attack helicopter.

The Leopards are a good target for the Ka-52, which carries up to 12 Vikhr-M anti-tank missiles. Each - with a tandem cumulative fragmentation warhead weighing 8-12 kilograms. Hitting the thin armor of the turret roof or engine compartment is guaranteed to destroy any tank. The range is ten kilometers, which covers the range of Western MANPADS and allows you to aim without entering the air defense zone. And given the size, it will be very difficult for Western vehicles to hide.

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Alright which Russian ATGM has the most penetration? Any updates on the land launched 100km Hermes? because those missiles would work beautifully well with Russian helicopters that can identify tanks 100kms away on radar.

NATO uses their sims for training.

don't we have any other reliable armor info on western tanks? anyone got an agreement on the m829A4 on having 880mm penetration values or no?

For some reason i would find it interesting if Alamo and lyle6 go create accounts over here https://www.tanknet.org/

And where would those shells fit exactly? The T-90M's carousel has already been expanded pretty much to the limit of the tank chassis.