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    S-300/400 ORBAT. Battalions and Regiments

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    Post  galicije83 Thu Jun 11, 2015 5:59 pm

    its far complicated then u can find on Wiki about russian  battalions-regiments of S-400. 1 battalion (in russian дивизион) of S-400 have minimum 6 launchers (in reality 8 maximum 12 launchers) each one with 4 rockets per launcher. In 2015 Russian have 21 battalion (дивизион) with 120-160+ launchers.



    DIVISION

    Basic cell system S-300 Favorit (Triumph) is a division. Division consists of radar and missile batteries battery.

    a) The radar battery can operate in the following forms:

    1. Simple battery consisting only of radar sighting (can be placed on a pole) Cabin Management which does not return to the pole
    Strengthened second battery which is added to low altitude detector Crocodile (required erected on a pole)
    Independent third battery which was added acquisition radar Lira-T (can be placed on the column)
    4th strengthened independent battery that has the low-altitude detection and acquisition radar

    What type of battery will predominate in the unit depends on whether the people working independently, whether working in organized within the fully autonomous brigades or be running as part of the brigade that has developed a network Asure Structural system type (see later)

    The radar has a battery system to fool the opponent's missiles Gazetcik and with a set of pneumatic false targets and set of fake and real camouflage mesh.

    b) The missile battery comprising:

    The first 8 to 12 self-propelled rocket launchers, each with 4 launch container.
    2. vehicles for the transfer of additional missiles and their transshipment, whose number depends on how many launchers are doing within the divisions; divisional function normally with only 4 launchers but then the number of vehicles is growing supplier, as with divisions with 12 launchers that number drops to a minimum; in practice there are DIVIZION 4, usually 12 or 6 or 8 tubes.

    The missile battery disposes with a set of pneumatic false targets and set of fake and real camouflage mesh.


    REGIMENT

    Next unit in the hierarchy of the regiment. Regiments are typically composed of six divisions. In the latest S-400 Triumph can be grouped and 8 divisions. Of course it is possible to work with a smaller number, however, believes that the people effectively operate as long as there are at least 3-4 divisions although the minimum second regiment consists (only units with the basic purpose of combat) by:

    First command post of the people (with a set of false targets and camouflage nets)
    Second regimental radar (with Gazetcikom, set of false targets and camouflage nets)
    3. 6 battalion S-300
    4. Additional and supplementary units

    Additional units at the level of a mere S-400 can be radars that are not included in the original formation. Announces that it provided for radars Gamma-D versions of low-altitude work. Fast mobile version bed has been seen but it self-propelled and not on the step, although it is very easy to perform and is announced. It is logical that the people working with 1 or 2 this additional radar. It is estimated that it is possible to connect other radars, such as for example a very good opponent-GE in a similar frequency range. Genuine quality, however, will only come by introducing meter radar in the unit and it should be a long-awaited sky-M, although in the absence of it quite correct to serve Nebo-SVU and the current lack of it, would serve and deeply modernized P-18th Additional radars at the level of the people is not introduced if at the brigade carried out the creation of nodes and networks duty radar. At the level of the people can also be as an additional tool to introduce a system of passive pelengator Orion-Vega, but the old car base and even ancient POST 3MV.

    If people can be independent and must have a close protection division made up of short-range systems such as Tor-2ME, pantsir-S1 or Quiver, Strela-10 and needle etc. In this case, the composition of the people are more and 4 CIS type Ranzir-MC (or similar) for the close protection of the three batteries, which can be in various cases and ethnically mixed.

    Additional units would be primarily connection systems that do not belong to an establishment means. It could be systems  connections, additional schemes of radio relay and broadband networks and of course setters cables.



    BRIGADE

    Next in the hierarchy of the brigades which are typically made up of two people. The brigade's next varies (by divisions) in relation to which the funds are used, and that you are using the S-300 Favorit and Pantsir-S1 or use the S-400 and Pantsir-S1. It is equally good if not better, you can use Tor-2M instead of bulletproof but in addition preferably also need many other modern or obsolete assets-type of Strelas and Iglas all kinds then Strela-10 or the Tunguska and Osa. The brigade is in principle:

    1st Brigade command post type Baikal-1ME with three of its own radar
    2. 2 Regiment S-300 Favorit and S-400
    3. 4 battalion command posts close protection type Ranzir-MK or equivalent, of which it is a battery in the vicinity of the brigade aa other three divisions which command each with its batteries in positions of first and second regiment and one additional position. These three divisions close protection of organic nature belong to a lower formation of Brigade or regiments and further set the range and develop along with them or may be included in the network so they Brigade listed here and not in the description regiments.
    4th around 9 groups of tools (battery) Close Protection type Tor-2M or pantsir-S1  subordinated note 3 and possibly reinforced with groups of tools Needle-S or other types of tools.
    5. The additional and supplementary units

    This is real scheme of S-400 Units in Russian army..Sry for my bad English....
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    Post  franco Sun Jul 05, 2015 2:16 pm

    George1 wrote:Head of anti-aircraft missile forces Air Force Major-General Sergey Babakov said that the S-300PS today already "physically and morally" outdated.

    He still has to live with them until the end of 2020, which was the original plan. But by the end of this year, they should be less then half the total.
    By my count at present there are;

    76 SA.400
    160 SA.300PMU
    244 SA.300PS

    Planned procurement to the end of 2020 was 224 SA.400, 152 SA.350 and 40 SA.500.
    Still leaves 148 SA.400's to come and the SA.350 was to start production this year.
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    Post  Viktor Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:12 pm

    franco wrote:

    76 SA.400
    160 SA.300PMU
    244 SA.300PS

    Planned procurement to the end of 2020 was 224 SA.400, 152 SA.350 and 40 SA.500.
    Still leaves 148 SA.400's to come and the SA.350 was to start production this year.

    What are all those numbers? Could you clarify?
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    Post  franco Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:27 pm

    Viktor wrote:
    franco wrote:

    76 SA.400
    160 SA.300PMU
    244 SA.300PS

    Planned procurement to the end of 2020 was 224 SA.400, 152 SA.350 and 40 SA.500.
    Still leaves 148 SA.400's to come and the SA.350 was to start production this year.

    What are all those numbers? Could you clarify?

    Number of firing units but not completely sure what you are requesting?
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    Post  Viktor Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:58 pm

    franco wrote:Number of firing units but not completely sure what you are requesting?

    Firing units like TEL? or ...

    because if TEL than you have a way to small number and if you are reffering to a firing radar numbers its way too high!?
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    Post  franco Sun Jul 05, 2015 5:05 pm

    Viktor wrote:
    franco wrote:Number of firing units but not completely sure what you are requesting?

    Firing units like TEL? or ...

    because if TEL than you have a way to small number and if you are reffering to a firing radar numbers its way too high!?

    Firing unit like a TEL.
    Your figures?
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    Post  Viktor Sun Jul 05, 2015 5:14 pm

    franco wrote:Firing unit like a TEL.
    Your figures?

    When counting SAMs, TEL units are not that important. What is important and what counts the most are the numbers of the firing radar sets because that

    number tells you about the simultaneously firing potentitial of some region  defended by PVO - meaning it specifies the max. attack potential of the enemy your SAM units will be able to

    repel. (roughly, although you have numerous more factors involved which are extremely important)

    At the moment Russian PVO troops has something of abt. 220-250 firing radar sets meaning 220 - 250,  S-300 (of all version S-400/300) batteries.

    If you want to know the number of TEL involved (ready to fire) you can multiply that number by 8 to get a roughly estimation of their numbers meaning 1800 - 2000 ready to fire TELs.

    But thats unimportant. Even more importaint than that is their reload time because of each prepaired firing position Russian PVO has amassed numerous TELs.
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    Post  franco Sun Jul 05, 2015 5:24 pm

    Viktor wrote:
    franco wrote:Firing unit like a TEL.
    Your figures?

    When counting SAMs, TEL units are not that important. What is important and what counts the most are the numbers of the firing radar sets because that

    number tells you about the simultaneously firing potentitial of some region  defended by PVO - meaning it specifies the max. attack potential of the enemy your SAM units will be able to

    repel. (roughly, although you have numerous more factors involved which are extremely important)

    At the moment Russian PVO troops has something of abt. 220-250 firing radar sets meaning 220 - 250,  S-300 (of all version S-400/300) batteries.

    If you want to know the number of TEL involved (ready to fire) you can multiply that number by 8 to get a roughly estimation of their numbers meaning 1800 - 2000 ready to fire TELs.

    But thats unimportant. Even more importaint than that is their reload time because of each prepaired firing position Russian PVO has amassed numerous TELs.

    1. Afraid I have to disagree.
    2. A battery of S-300/400 is 4 not 8.
    3. What is the firing radar set for these weapons?
    4. Have to go out but will give you the what, where and who that I have when I return.
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    Post  Viktor Sun Jul 05, 2015 5:33 pm

    franco wrote:
    1. Afraid I have to disagree.
    2. A battery of S-300/400 is 4 not 8.
    3. What is the firing radar set for these weapons?
    4. Have to go out but will give you the what, where and who that I have when I return.

    1. Right.
    2. Standard number of TELs in the export version of S-300xx SAMs is 4 although a Buyer can order more TELs per battery.

    For instance a Buyer can order 8 TELs per battery or perhaps even 12 which is the max number per TEL.

    Standard/average number of of TELs per S-300xx battery in the service of Russian PVO troops is 8 TELs per battery.

    3. 30N6 / 9S32 or 92N6 and their iterations.

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    4. I have already learned much about Russian PVO in great detail (what was possible from the internet domain) but you are welcomed to try.

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    Post  franco Sun Jul 05, 2015 8:01 pm

    Re #4 - I have been doing this a long time, almost as long as you have been around and I have learned two main things;
    - you are never going to get 100% data
    - be prepared tomorrow to have a different opinion then today

    North
    Polyarnny (531st regt) - 8 S-400 & 12 PM's
    Olenegorsk (583rd regt) - 8 PM's & 8 PS's
    Severodvinsk (1528th regt) - 16 PS's

    St Petersburg area
    Gostilitsy (500th) - 8 S-400 & 12 PM's
    Zelenogorsk (1488th) - 16 PS's
    Vaganova (1489th) - 8 PM's
    Ulyanovka (1490th) - 16 PS's

    Kaliningrad area
    Gvardeysk (183rd) - 8 S-400 & 8 PS's

    Moscow area
    Dubrovka (210th) - 8 S-400
    Marino (584th) – 16 PM's
    Glagolevo (612th) – 12 PM's
    Funkovo (93rd) – 8 S-400
    Klin (722nd) – 12 PM's
    Elektrostal (606th) – 8 S-400
    Kurilovo (549th) – 16 PM's
    Pestovo (614th) – 12 PM's
    Kablukova (629th) – 12 PM's
    Chastsy (799th) – 16 PS's

    West
    Valdai (42nd) – 8 PS's
    Voronezh (108th) - 16 PS's

    South
    Novorossiysk (1537th) - 8 S-400 & 8 PM's
    Bataysk (1536th) – 16 PM's

    Crimea
    Sevastopol (12th) – 8 PM's
    Theodosia (18th) – 8 PM's

    Central
    Engels (511th) -8 PS's
    Yekaterinburg (185th) - 8 PS's
    Samara (568th) - 12 PS's
    Novosibirsk (590th) - 16 PS's
    Angarsk (1534th) - 12 PS's

    Eastern
    Khabarovsk (1529th) - 12 PS's
    Komsomolsk-on-Amur (1530th) - 20 PS's
    Vladivostok (1533rd) – 8 PS's
    Nakhodka (589th) - 8 S-400 & 8 PS's
    Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky (1532nd) - 12 S-400

    Notes;
    - does not include any 300V or Buk units
    - does not include the regiment size unit in Abkhazia of 16 SA-300PS's which may have been given to the Abkhazians or operated jointly and for which I have no unit number
    - notice on Goggle satellite photos that some of the SA-300PS's taken from the Ukrainians in Crimea and awaiting to be returned are stored with the Russian SA-300PM's and some are in the launch position.
    - at one time had a count of 188 SA-300PM's. Now showing only 160. I know that at least 8 were given to Belarus to upgrade their Air Defenses and the rest could be exchanged for PS's that I have not found or still with the SA-400 units.
    - There are an additional 8 PS's at the training site Ashuluk










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    Post  Viktor Mon Jul 06, 2015 6:50 am

    When you say for instance 18 S-400, do you mean 18 TEL?


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    Post  franco Tue Jul 07, 2015 10:14 pm

    Viktor wrote:When you say for instance 18 S-400, do you mean 18 TEL?



    Yes, check out the goggle map co-ordinates that a poster(?) put in the 400/500 thread. I can provide the same. Also you may be thinking of the 300PT system which employed 2-3 "slave" TEL's along with the "master" TEL, which had the fire control. The 300PM's and 400's are controlled very differently with most firing locations have two 4-unit divisions but some have three 4-unit divisions and at least one has four 4-units. Some regiments have only 1 firing site while other regiments control 2 firing sites. Some of the PS's and PT regiments used to control 3-4 sites but they have all been phased out or in the process of.
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    Post  Viktor Wed Jul 08, 2015 7:57 pm

    franco wrote:

    Notes;
    - does not include any 300V or Buk units
    - does not include the regiment size unit in Abkhazia of 16 SA-300PS's which may have been given to the Abkhazians or operated jointly and for which I have no unit number
    - notice on Goggle satellite photos that some of the SA-300PS's taken from the Ukrainians in Crimea and awaiting to be returned are stored with the Russian SA-300PM's and some are in the launch position.
    - at one time had a count of 188 SA-300PM's. Now showing only 160. I know that at least 8 were given to Belarus to upgrade their Air Defenses and the rest could be exchanged for PS's that I have not found or still with the SA-400 units.
    - There are an additional 8 PS's at the training site Ashuluk


    Im have not borther to do counting and wont because reading about Russian PVO tactics I have learnt its all about stealth and concealment meaning google earth will lead you to

    nowhere. I is simply by my opinion wrong approach. Why? Well because -

    1. If you are counting anything dont count TEL (it means nothing)
    2. Count shooting radars (only thing making some sense - because you can work with that number)
    3. You until recently thought that 4 TEL goes per battery not knowing that it can support 12 TELs per battery.

    franco wrote:2. A battery of S-300/400 is 4 not 8.

    meaning you lack fundamentals. Take this not as a critics but as a advice - you will feel much better reading about complexity of Russian PVO design of which you apparently know

    little than counting usless TELs.

    4. You will know that Russia has 480 TELs when you saw NATO generals jumping from happines all over the place. Russian PVO generals are talking about reflecting attacks

    consisting of up to 500 planes per side from two different sides (out of three possible vectors of approach) and you are talking about lousy 60 batteries Very Happy ... yeah per air defense zone.

    Smile

    5. But when you start counting (if managed to find) Bastion, Univerzal, Fundament, Akacia, AKUP, Rubezh etc I will know you have reached a certain lvl.

    Counting TELs will lead you nowhere.

    6.
    franco wrote:I know that at least 8 were given to Belarus to upgrade their Air Defenses and

    You have got it all wrong.

    Belarus will get 4 S-300 batteries meaning at least 4x8=32 TELs along with its 4 shooting and search radar. One nice regiment to put it nicely.

    4 shooting radar can guide 48 missiles on to 24 targets. Meaning for instance that Poland could easily find itself without planes to attack just after few futile attempts if it gets

    any crazy idea because Belarus has much more of S-300Px and S-300Vx and other PVO along with its interceptors and powerful PVO industry.

    7.
    franco wrote:Some regiments have only 1 firing site while other regiments control 2 firing sites. Some of the PS's and PT regiments used to control 3-4 sites but they have all been phased out or in the process of.

    Of course you will never be able to count hundereds of concealed prepaired and hundereds of unprepaired firing sites of which every one has a concealed roads and electricity Very Happy

    Things you are able to counts with google earth or sort is up to a point (very low one) "on duty" SAMs. Nothing more.
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    Post  rambo54 Fri Jan 01, 2016 12:30 pm

    There are a lot of rumors about new deployments. I don't know which one is true.
    I've read that there is a deployment at Novaja Semelya (Rogachevo AF)
    http://tass.ru/en/russia/769960
    But as far as I know this is S-300PM - redeployment from Murmansk

    And there is this about Vladivostok (1533 AD RGT)
    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20151125/1327872970.html

    Strange....Very close to Nachodka's 589 RGT.

    The Regiment at Vladivostok would be No 12 if I'm not mistaken. It is hard to keep up informed :-)

    P.S - about the Regiment at St.Petersburg...is it already known to what Regiment they were going?
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    Post  franco Fri Jan 01, 2016 12:59 pm

    There are supposed to be 10 regiments having S-400 by years end and another 5 to receive them in 2016.
    Still not sure of which unit around St Petersburg received the 400.
    Trying to track down the 4 new locations in the Crimea. Have only found one in Sevastopol so far.
    My present count is 36 Regiments and 80 battalions for the PS/PM/400 units.
    The Novaja Semelya would make 81 and the Syrian unit 82.
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    Post  rambo54 Fri Jan 01, 2016 2:48 pm

    franco wrote:There are supposed to be 10 regiments having S-400 by years end and another 5 to receive them in 2016.
    Still not sure of which unit around St Petersburg received the 400.
    Trying to track down the 4 new locations in the Crimea. Have only found one in Sevastopol so far.
    My present count is 36 Regiments and 80 battalions for the PS/PM/400 units.
    The Novaja Semelya would make 81 and the Syrian unit 82.

    Hi franco!
    Thanks for your response.

    I think at the years end we had 11 RGT of S-400
    4 at Moscow (606, 210,93, 549); 1 at Novorossisk (1537); 1 at Nachodka (589); 1 at Rybachi (1532); 1 at Polyarny (531); 1 at Kaliningrad (183), probably 1 at Novosibirsk (590), and 1 at St.Petersburg (probably with 500 or 1489 RGT)
    Vladivostok woud be No 12 (1533 RGT)

    According to my informations Novaja Semelya received S-300PM from this site 69.055162° 33.348233° / 69.056871° 33.352229° (use history layer of 9th July 2015 to see some 16 PM)

    For Crimea I found only two PM sites S-300 : 45.114125° 33.979046° (12th RGT) and a new site next to Balbeck AB
    https://maps.yandex.ru/959/sevastopol/?ll=33.597588%2C44.705742&spn=2.817993%2C0.963995&z=18&l=map%2Csat

    My total count for remaining S-300 is some 50 sites
    Kaliningrad: 4 PS (belonging to 183 RGT)
    Kola: 1PM with 583 RGT
    Severodvinsk: 4 PT with 1528 RGT
    St Petersburg: 2PS and 1 PM (belonging to 1488 RGT at Roschtschino) / 1PS (belonging to 1489 at Vaganovo) / 2PS (belonging to 1490 at Eglizi) / 2 PM (belonging to 500 at Tamengont and Sakkalo)
    Moscow: 3PM with 629 RGT / 2PM with 614 RGT / 3 PM with 612 RGT / 1PM with 584 RGT
    (note: 3rd Batt of 606/210/93 RGT meanwhile got S-400 too)
    Rostov: 2PM with 1536
    Voronesh: 2PS with 108 RGT
    Engels: 2PS with 511 RGT
    Samara: 2PS with 568 RGT
    Ekaterinburg: 2PS with 185 RGT
    Irkutsk: 1PS with 1534 RGT
    Atschinsk: 1PS with 388 RGT
    Solnetshny: 1PS with 1530 RGt
    Anastasyevka: 2PS with 1529 RGT
    Vladivostok: 2PS with 1533 RGt (maybe meanwhile S-400)
    Waldai: 2PS with 42 RGT
    Novaya Semelya: 1 or 2 PM with unknown RGT

    the S-400 unit (meanwhile 4 launcher) at Latakia belongs to 549 RGT at Moscow
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    Post  franco Fri Jan 01, 2016 3:06 pm

    Is this your first site?
    https://maps.yandex.ru/959/sevastopol/?ll=33.433134%2C44.544491&spn=2.817993%2C0.963995&z=18&l=map%2Csat
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    Post  rambo54 Fri Jan 01, 2016 4:23 pm

    franco wrote:Is this your first site?
    https://maps.yandex.ru/959/sevastopol/?ll=33.433134%2C44.544491&spn=2.817993%2C0.963995&z=18&l=map%2Csat
    I hadn't this one because I didn't look at yandeks. It was a former S-300PS site of Ukraine. Now it seems to be S-300PM.

    My sites are here:
    Probably 12th AD RGT with two Batt 45.126739° 33.985778° and 45.107645° 33.965794° of S-300PM - Big Bird is here 45.105382° 33.981945°.
    A new one seems to be here 44.706237° 33.598348° (Yandeks)

    Some equipment is still over here 44.518230° 33.484105°
    This PT site seems to be empty now 44.688928° 34.423665°
    I'm not sure whether these PS sites are still active 45.010170° 35.400187° ad here 45.150717° 35.724671°
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    Post  franco Fri Jan 01, 2016 4:31 pm

    Yandex is generally more up to date then Google.

    Check your messages.
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    Post  max steel Sun Jan 03, 2016 7:34 am

    rambo54 wrote:There are a lot of rumors about new deployments. I don't know which one is true.
    I've read that there is a deployment at Novaja Semelya (Rogachevo AF)
    http://tass.ru/en/russia/769960
    But as far as I know this is S-300PM - redeployment from Murmansk



    Still, since 2016 VKS will get about 5 _regiments_ per year, of S-400 - I'm sure it will be enough for Arctic. Novaya Zemlya, fresh news.



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    Post  max steel Wed Jan 06, 2016 12:19 pm




    Are there 12 regiments of S-400 at present ?
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    Post  rambo54 Wed Jan 06, 2016 6:22 pm

    max steel wrote:


    Are there 12 regiments of S-400 at present ?

    As I said: if you believe the announcments (e.g. http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20151125/1327872970.html ) about new asignments for Vladivostok (No. 12) and St.Petersburg (No 11) and Novosibirsk (No.10) then we would have 12 now.

    But I think at least the Vladivostok issue is something for 2016....so I would bet at the end of 2015 we have not more then 11 RGT


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    Post  franco Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:18 am

    @Viktor

    By my present count Engagement Radars are at 84 sites.

    Have you noticed that the Air Force and Air Defense units are reverting to their pre-Serdyokov reform names and organizations? The Air Defense Brigades are back being Air Defense Divisions comprised of SAM regiments and Radio Technical regiments as you mentioned giving Radar, EW and ECM units in conjunction with the SAM units.
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    Post  George1 Fri Jan 08, 2016 1:46 pm

    So how many battalions in total we have in 12 regiments?
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    Post  Viktor Fri Jan 08, 2016 3:50 pm

    franco wrote:@Viktor

    By my present count Engagement Radars are at 84 sites.

    Have you noticed that the Air Force and Air Defense units are reverting to their pre-Serdyokov reform names and organizations? The Air Defense Brigades are back being Air Defense Divisions comprised of SAM regiments and Radio Technical regiments as you mentioned giving Radar, EW and ECM units in conjunction with the SAM units.

    I dont think that is the case. The system of batteries (batallions/divisions depending of the territorial/army organization), regiments (its vise versa in regard to the battery case) and brigades will still be here far in to the future. Thing is that in todays time in comparision with 20+ years ago, battery is a much more independent unit than it was in any previos time.
    Because of that you will see much more batteries serving as an independant units (mostly regimental ones because of the 55K6 ability as a powerfull regimental command post).

    So 84 found/visible prepaired positions as opposed to approx. 220-250 S-300PXX/VXX/400 engagement radar sets.




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