Ukrainian Navy

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:What sad fate for two of the oldest and larger shipyards of imperial Russia and Soviet Union...

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:Still about the building of the corvette
https://topwar.ru/160505-poltorak-nazval-summu-dlja-dostrojki-korveta-vladimir-velikij.html

Well at least this will prevent the Ukrainians from dismantling the shipyards for another few years, and maybe maintain a minimum of capabilities and trained workers in the area...

When Russia took over the shipyards in Crimea, they were in a sorry state...

Tsavo Lion wrote:Phantom pains: Ukraine recalls the glory of Nikolaev shipbuilding
https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2674842.html

However, the problem is not only in the bankruptcy of the plant. According to Larisa Shesler, the hero of Ukraine, a grain trader and a great patriot Alexei Vadatursky seriously put his hand to the destruction of ChSZ.

“Thanks to the construction of the Nibulon terminal, owned by Alexey Vadatursky, the wall of the Black Sea shipbuilding plant was cut. CSY possessed the longest wall for the construction of large ships, several hundred meters long. The Vadatursky terminal for receiving grain was built exactly in the middle of this wall and virtually forever prevented ChSZ from even starting to think about building ships. Perhaps the fact that Alexander Vadatursky was allowed to become one of the largest grain traders in the west was connected with the destruction of this wall, ”says Shesler.

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

Tsavo Lion wrote:Phantom pains: Ukraine recalls the glory of Nikolaev shipbuilding
https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2674842.html

Accordindng to the article you posted, they destroyed the main slipway of the black sea shipyard, the one used to build aircraft carriers, to build there a grain terminal.

Maybe they did it also to prevent Russia to "easily" rebuild the full capacity of the shipyard, like they did with Zaliv in Kerch, in case the south of Ukraine should follow the same path of Crimea in the future..

Basically the ukrainians managed to do to the black sea shipyard something similar to what the Nazis did in WW2, who completely destroyed the plant before leaving Nikolaev, and Soviet Union had to rebuild it almost from scratches, in a long and expensive process...

However, the problem is not only in the bankruptcy of the plant. According to Larisa Shesler, the hero of Ukraine, a grain trader and a great patriot Alexei Vadatursky seriously put his hand to the destruction of ChSZ.

“Thanks to the construction of the Nibulon terminal, owned by Alexey Vadatursky, the wall of the Black Sea shipbuilding plant was cut. CSY possessed the longest wall for the construction of large ships, several hundred meters long. The Vadatursky terminal for receiving grain was built exactly in the middle of this wall and virtually forever prevented ChSZ from even starting to think about building ships. Perhaps the fact that Alexander Vadatursky was allowed to become one of the largest grain traders in the west was connected with the destruction of this wall, ”says Shesler.

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

Tsavo Lion wrote:Phantom pains: Ukraine recalls the glory of Nikolaev shipbuilding
https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2674842.html

Accordindng to the article you posted, they destroyed the main slipway of the black sea shipyard, the one used to build aircraft carriers, to build there a grain terminal.

Maybe they did it also to prevent Russia to "easily" rebuild the full capacity of the shipyard, like they did with Zaliv in Kerch, in case the south of Ukraine should follow the same path of Crimea in the future..

Basically the ukrainians managed to do to the black sea shipyard something similar to what the Nazis did in WW2, who completely destroyed the plant before leaving Nikolaev, and Soviet Union had to rebuild it almost from scratches, in a long and expensive process...

However, the problem is not only in the bankruptcy of the plant. According to Larisa Shesler, the hero of Ukraine, a grain trader and a great patriot Alexei Vadatursky seriously put his hand to the destruction of ChSZ.

“Thanks to the construction of the Nibulon terminal, owned by Alexey Vadatursky, the wall of the Black Sea shipbuilding plant was cut. CSY possessed the longest wall for the construction of large ships, several hundred meters long. The Vadatursky terminal for receiving grain was built exactly in the middle of this wall and virtually forever prevented ChSZ from even starting to think about building ships. Perhaps the fact that Alexander Vadatursky was allowed to become one of the largest grain traders in the west was connected with the destruction of this wall, ”says Shesler.

medo wrote:

Russia doesn't need Nikolaev shipyard anymore. They build two large shiopyards, one near Murmansk and Zvezda near Vladivostok, which will have enough big dry docks to build carriers. Russia could not build real carriers in Nikolaev as they could not sail real carriers through Bosporus. They have to made them as cruisers. In Murmansk and in Vladivostok they could build real carriers without limitations. Destroying Nikolaev shipyard only mean, that Ukraine will not be able to build large ships any more. Russia got Zaliv and More shipyards in Crimea and this is enough for their needs in Black sea.

medo wrote:New shipyard in Belokamenka near Murmansk and builded by Novatek, will have two 400 x 200 x 16 m dry docks. true, they build it for LNG platforms, but they could use them for building other big ships as well.

Cyberspec wrote:Ukrainian mosquito fleet’s exercise of no operational interest to Russian Black Sea Fleet  
https://tass.com/defense/1079840

The new owner of Ocean: We will build large-capacity ships, steamboats and vessels for the benefit of Ukraine

21:37, 03 December, 2018

The director of the Annona Trading House company Igor Voloshin, who today, following the results of the auction, became the new owner of Nikolaev Ocean Shipbuilding Plant, promised that the shipyard will build large-tonnage ships, steamboats and vessels for the benefit of Ukraine.
About this Igor Voloshin said today, December 3, after the announcement of the results of open bidding for the sale of the property complex of the plant, which took place in Nikolaev.
It is known that the Nikolaev shipbuilding plant "Ocean" was auctioned for 122 million 195 thousand hryvnias .

- This is the responsibility of our team, the team of factory workers on the actual and real restoration of shipbuilding in Nikolaev and the revival of the former glory of Nikolaev as a ship capital, as a capital of shipbuilding. I am sure that we will all build large-tonnage ships, steamboats, vessels for the benefit of our Ukraine, for the benefit of our homeland. And I congratulate you all, first of all, that more than a thousand people, factory workers, will receive more than 90 million hryvnias of their debt. You know that this team of professionals, a team of patriots of their country. This is a struggle, this is the path that we all went together. And only your support, support of factory workers, nikolayevets allowed to achieve such a result. Plant "Ocean" will build ships. As if someone didn’t want to destroy the Ukrainian shipbuilding, as if someone didn’t wantIgor Voloshin .


Earlier it was reported that the association "Ukrsudprom" welcomed the results of the auction for the sale of the integral property complex of PJSC "Nikolaev Shipbuilding Plant" Ocean "and expected that the new owner would provide the necessary measures for the technological renewal of the shipyard's capacities and the attraction of orders.
PJSC Nikolaev Shipbuilding Plant Okean (until April 2011 - Vadan Yards Ocean, until December 2008 - Damen Shipyard's Okean, until February 2001 - Shipbuilding Okean) specializes in the production and repair of container ships, tankers, tugs, barges with a displacement of up to 350 thousand tons.
In November 2013, the Commercial Court of the Mykolayiv region declared bankrupt the PJSC "NSC" Ocean "at the request of a close, according to some reports, LLC" Consulting-Gamma "(Kryvyi Rih, Dnipropetrovsk region) to the owner of Smart Group Vadim Novinsky. On September 9, 2016, the Pechersky District Court of Kiev seized the movable and immovable property of PJSC NHA Okean and transferred it for custody to the director of Okean-Sudoremont LLC, the president of PAO NHA Okean in 2010-2011, Leonid Shumilo. The former manager of the shipyard was previously suspected of having connections with structures controlled by the former Minister of Energy of the Russian Federation (2001-2004) Igor Yusufov: offshore Olympus Investments and Zonel Operations Ltd. In November of that year, the Kiev Court of Appeal quashed this decision.
On Monday, following the results of the second repeated open auction of property of PJSC Nikolaev Shipbuilding Plant Ocean, with a starting price of 1.1 billion hryvnias, it was sold for 122.2 million hryvnias by Annona Trading House LLC (Nikolaev), owned by the head of the committee creditors of PJSC Igor Voloshin.
The last auction for the sale of the NES Ocean is the third in the last three months. Earlier, on September 21, the shipyard was put up for auction at a starting price of UAH 1.82 billion - the sum of recognized creditor claims. Then, at the repeated auction on October 8, at a reduced, according to the law, 20% starting price of 1.45 billion hryvnias. Both auctions did not take place due to the lack of bids

In September 2019 the property of PJSC “Black Sea Shipyard” (ChSZ) was put up for sale by the decision of the Economic Court of Mykolaiv region. The property is sold in two lots - non-residential premises and swimming facilities. In addition, the equipment available for sale in these shops and territories, including cranes, fencing, lighting, and more, was also offered for sale. 

Tsavo Lion wrote:Phantom pains: Ukraine recalls the glory of Nikolaev shipbuilding
https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2674842.html