Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

A source in military circles of the American military presence in Turkey reported that aircraft of the NATO, trying to get close to the forces of the Russian Federation, were illuminated by radar, the source being detected even not identified.

"The Russians have indicated that they can see it, and to go closer is not worth it, otherwise knock", - said the American military.

"Frankly we were surprised by the air defense system of Russia, most likely there are latest complexes With-400. I have no more ideas," said Colonel Jack Jacobs.

About creating a Russian no-fly zone over Syria also Bloombeg writes, citing a senior American military. So, the commander of the NATO forces in Europe General Philip Breedlove said that the new military infrastructure of Russia in Syria, including air defense systems, de facto creates a no-fly zone.

According to Breedlove, Russia has created over Syria, the "sphere of negation", where American planes can't enter.

General Breedlove believes that Russia deployed in Syria as "very complex air defense system" is aimed not against the "Islamic state", which does not have aviation. "They are against someone else," said the commander of the NATO forces in Europe.

Solncepek wrote:A source in military circles of the American military presence in Turkey reported that aircraft of the NATO, trying to get close to the forces of the Russian Federation, were illuminated by radar, the source being detected even not identified.

"The Russians have indicated that they can see it, and to go closer is not worth it, otherwise knock", - said the American military.

"Frankly we were surprised by the air defense system of Russia, most likely there are latest complexes With-400. I have no more ideas," said Colonel Jack Jacobs.

About creating a Russian no-fly zone over Syria also Bloombeg writes, citing a senior American military. So, the commander of the NATO forces in Europe General Philip Breedlove said that the new military infrastructure of Russia in Syria, including air defense systems, de facto creates a no-fly zone.

According to Breedlove, Russia has created over Syria, the "sphere of negation", where American planes can't enter.

General Breedlove believes that Russia deployed in Syria as "very complex air defense system" is aimed not against the "Islamic state", which does not have aviation. "They are against someone else," said the commander of the NATO forces in Europe.

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d_taddei2 wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:hey, does anyone have an update of what Russian equipment is now in Syria, i see the Su-34 have now joined the battle, but how many?

Su-34x6

Su-24x12

Su-25x12

Su-30x4

And dozen or so helicopters

thanks, wonder when the Mi-24 will see some action

Like cyberspec said, they provide base security. They patrol the area and cover the planes during take off and landing.

Solncepek wrote:... Breedlove said that the new military infrastructure of Russia in Syria, including air defense systems, de facto creates a no-fly zone. ...

In general when somebody gets involved in this kind of vigorous handwaving that Breedlove has gotten into, a translation is required. Let me translate:

He is trying to "save" "face" here. He is trying to create the impression in his intended audience that Russia has not explicitly created a no-fly-zone and is not directly enforcing it.

A more important question to be asked is related to the extent of this no-fly-zone, i.e., how much of Turkey and Israel it covers.

Some footage of the airport from the city in the beginning plus some propaganda.

Cucumber Khan wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:just a thought...........

i know Russia said it wouldnt send ground troops into battle, but couldn't they still provide long range artillery?? i mean the chances on casualties would be almost nil,

Russia could easily send th following:

2A36 Giatsint-B including 2S5 Giatsint-S
2S1
2S3
2S19 Msta-S
2S23 Nona-SVK
2S34 Chosta
2S4 Tyulpan
2S7 Pion
BM-21
BM-27
BM-30
TOS-1A

Russia has loads of this equipment in storage(minus TOS/2s23/2s34) that could be used with great effect. The TOS having the shorter range still wouldnt put it in danger due it having decent protection, both of the Giatsint and the BM's have such a long range the protection issues wouldn't be a problem, some of the equipment could even be used by Syrian ground forces as they currently already use 2S1, 2S3, 2S4, and the BM's. Russia could use Krasnopol and other laser guided ammo all they would have to do is train some of the Syrian grounds troops most likely special forces or Republican guard to use laser designators and your sorted, would be ideal for taking out smaller positions before ground assault and Russia wouldnt have to use expensive air to ground missiles. TOS-1A wide spread destructiveness, added to the the range and point destructiveness of Tyulpan and Pion and the terrorist scum would be turning tail and running or be left dead. All this without Russian troops being put in immediate danger and the Syrian ground forces would find very little resistance after bombardment.

if you really wanted you could use Tochka and Iskander
what ever happened to Syria's Tochka and Iskander? havent heard anything about them, i know tochka was used in the first couple of years of the conflict.


also like to back up what someone said earlier about Russia providing helmets and body armour to Syrian ground troops no info if this has been done but wouldnt be a bad idea for the troops that will be doing the actual ground assaults.  

Syria has no Iskanders. As for the Tochas, perhaps they simply has run out of stock?

i read a while ago that an order was placed and awaiting delivery as i hadn't seem any cancellation i thought maybe they had been delivered,

Bunker buster bomb on ISIL (BETAB-500/Su-34 combo)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7fqew26a1A&feature=youtu.be

Russia's Air War in Syria: A Chance to Spy on America's F-22 Fighter?

Russia may be using its air campaign in Syria as an opportunity to gather intelligence on U.S. forces and gain operational experience on their latest hardware. Gathering information on the U.S. Air Force’s stealthy fifth-generation F-22 Raptor air superiority fighter is of particular interest to the Russian military.

Nonetheless, the Russian expeditionary force largely follows traditional Soviet doctrine and consists of a mix of combat aircraft, air defenses and a heavily armed ground security element. “While it appears the Russians are following their standard doctrine with regard to the deployment/employment of their ground and air assets, it’s certainly not out of the question to use their newer air-to-air assets as a form of ‘operational testing’ in the real world environment,” one senior U.S. Air Force intelligence official told me. “In a sense, we're doing the same thing with our F-22s.”

Though gaining operational experience on the Sukhoi Su-30SM and Su-34 is likely an important aspect of the Russian deployment, the Russians might have another objective in deploying their latest jets to the theatre. “It may be a way for them to ‘characterize’ the F-22’s radar emissions on their radar warning receivers (RWR) in a real-world environment,” the senior Air Force intelligence official said. “Not traditional intelligence collection per se, but could be a way to see how their RWRs receive and display an F-22's radar emissions.”

Another senior U.S. Air Force aviator offered a more succinct assessment. “They probably aren't planning on getting into any air-to-air engagements with ISIS,” the pilot said. “$100 says their air players are there to soak up trons from our fifth-gen stuff.”

But not everyone shares that opinion. “I am skeptical that the Su-30s are there purely to collect ‘intel.’ Presume that the Russians have other traditional ISR [intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance] collectors to do that,” the senior intelligence official said. Russian forces generally use specialized aircraft like the Ilyushin Il-20M Coot-A to collect electronic intelligence—and it would make sense to assume the Russian air force has deployed such assets to the region.

Conversely, the presence of the latest Flanker variants in Syria might be to ward of Western intelligence assets that might attempt to close in to gather data on the Russian deployment. “The Flankers are not present for defensive counter-air purposes, but instead, their presence is probably meant to harass and push back air breathing intelligence collection craft that might venture too close to their base of operations,” a third Air Force official said.



Other U.S. Navy and Air Force aviators agreed. “The four jets may be postured to sit on an alert/scramble notice. It would be very challenging for them to fly sustained combat ops with only four fighters,” one F-22 Raptor pilot said. “I would submit they'd be able to fly a two-ship once a day to provide escort/over watch of the primary air-to-ground players and not much more.”



But another U.S. Air Force official cautioned not to underestimate the Russians. “Remember they have more interoperability between their planes and they were designed to be easy to work on.” The Russians might be able to generate more sorties than many expect—which would be many more than a comparable force of four Raptors. “The Raptor requires extensive logistical support to keep it flying… Just think of the Low Observable (LO) work that needs to be done between sorties,” he said. “If you just want to fly at a marginally capable rate, you need engines and flight controls, not fifth-gen avionics and LO coatings.”

Overall, the consensus amongst U.S. Air Force and Navy officials I spoke to is that the Russian expeditionary force is too small to be genuinely effective. But if Russia is serious about its Syrian air campaign, the Russian presence will likely grow significantly. “While the amount of aerial firepower is significant, I'd still watch for more in order to run sustained around-the-clock sortie generation,” a U.S. Air Force official said. “If the Russians are as serious about this as they say they are, more aircraft should show up as base infrastructure is improved.”

Dave Majumdar is the defense editor for The National Interest.

SU25 over Ma'arat Al-Numan, Idlib.

Well, it seems the (dis)information and propaganda war is getting into gear.

I just heard david cameron on the radio claiming that russia is tergeting civilians rather than Isis, that only one in twenty strikes hit isis targets. He also described russias actions as 'unacceptable'.

Never in my life have i seen so much blatant hypocrisy by western governments. It rose to an unprecedented level over the ukraine crisis and i didnt think it could get worse, but it has done.  But i think they are playing a very dangerous game as their lies and hypocrisy are visibl to all right now and even the usual 'sheeple' are having a hard time justifying or digesting this latest round of bullshit. Its going to end up biting them on the arse big time.

I mean, can anyone with a straight face in the same day bomb a civilian hospital and then lecture another state on bombing terrorists, who without your support incidentally wouldnt even exist?

Its madness. But let them continue i say, let them expose themselves for what they really are and the people finally wakeup and see.

KABOOOM motherfu*ker!

"Double tap" airstrike in Ihsem, Idlib. Missed the camera man by +-50m.

For those wondering whats "double-tap" its tactic often used by US drone attacks lately, but its old as bombing itself, you bomb some target and you wait for their friends to come and help, then you bomb them again. Saves time on finding the rest of them if you know what i mean.

Jabhat al-Nusra released first photos of Russian airstrikes on their or close to their positions:







Source: https://twitter.com/JN__Hama/status/650273476427796480

Militarov wrote:

KABOOOM motherfu*ker!

"Double tap" airstrike in Ihsem, Idlib. Missed the camera man by +-50m.

For those wondering whats "double-tap" its tactic often used by US drone attacks lately, but its old as bombing itself, you bomb some target and you wait for their friends to come and help, then you bomb them again. Saves time on finding the rest of them if you know what i mean.

wasn't those civilians, i see white helmets in the video or am'i missing something?

Amid Russian air strikes, helicopters have been dropping leaflets across rural Homs urging people to evacuate and opposition to surrender to the Syrian Arab Army on checkpoints.



Source: https://twitter.com/Charles_Lister/status/650275585164357632

Hachimoto wrote:

Militarov wrote:

KABOOOM motherfu*ker!

"Double tap" airstrike in Ihsem, Idlib. Missed the camera man by +-50m.

For those wondering whats "double-tap" its tactic often used by US drone attacks lately, but its old as bombing itself, you bomb some target and you wait for their friends to come and help, then you bomb them again. Saves time on finding the rest of them if you know what i mean.

wasn't those civilians, i see white helmets in the video or am'i missing something?

White helmets are hardly civilians, they have very strong ties with Al Nusra, they are basically used as propaganda tool, they were observed many times carrying weapons, even doing executions. I had quite big post regaring them in previous thread you can find it quite easy. I am not feeling sorry for White helmets whatsoever, i am more sorry for those poor workers from yesterday that ISIS forced to dig trenches with heavy machinery that died in airstrike.

Militarov wrote:

Hachimoto wrote:

Militarov wrote:

KABOOOM motherfu*ker!

"Double tap" airstrike in Ihsem, Idlib. Missed the camera man by +-50m.

For those wondering whats "double-tap" its tactic often used by US drone attacks lately, but its old as bombing itself, you bomb some target and you wait for their friends to come and help, then you bomb them again. Saves time on finding the rest of them if you know what i mean.

wasn't those civilians, i see white helmets in the video or am'i missing something?

White helmets are hardly civilians, they have very strong ties with Al Nusra, they are basically used as propaganda tool, they were observed many times carrying weapons, even doing executions. I had quite big post regaring them in previous thread you can find it quite easy. I am not feeling sorry for White helmets whatsoever, i am more sorry for those poor workers from yesterday that ISIS forced to dig trenches with heavy machinery that died in airstrike.

Cool checking it

"The Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham (ISIS) launched another large-scale offensive at the Deir Ezzor Military Airport on Friday morning, attacking the Syrian Arab Army’s (SAA) defensive positions at the southeastern perimeter of this airbase. Following the failed suicide attack, a large ISIS contingent charged the Syrian Armed Forces’ frontline defenses at the army base, resulting in a significant amount of casualties for the terrorist group and the destruction of three more armored vehicles that were mounted with 23mm anti-aircraft machine guns.

According to a military source from the Syrian Arab Army’s 137 Artillery Brigade of the 17th Reserve Division, the terrorist group suffered a confirmed 27 casualties during their failed infiltration attempt into the Deir Ezzor Military Airport. Among the casualties for ISIS at the Deir Ezzor Military Airport were the following: Mesha’al Al-‘Anzi (Saudi), “Abu ‘Abdel-Rahman”, Hussein Al-Wadi (Iraqi), Hammam Al-Turki, Isma’eel Mustafa Al-Dilaati, Khodor Hassan Abu Na’im, Ibrahim Sharif Shamir, Mohammad Mahmoud Al-Uthman, and Yousif ‘Abdel-‘Aziz Qadeem.The terrorist group began their assault at 9 A.M. (Baghdad Time) on Friday morning, when a suicide bomber attempted to detonate his armored vehicle at the army base that is situated to the north of the Artillery Battalion Base; however, the suicide bomber’s vehicle was destroyed by the Syrian Arab Army soldiers protecting the army base outside of the Deir Ezzor Military Airport."

Source: http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/isis-suffers-heavy-casualties-trying-to-infiltrate-the-deir-ezzor-military-airport/

"Btw,crosshair on published video footage isn't aiming mark, but the focus point of UAV camera used for BDA (Bomb damage assessment)."

As i said few days ago its quite unlikely its video feed from actual bomber but rather UAV.



Source: https://twitter.com/mod_russia/status/650266393603145728

I think it was easy to understand as UAV was just circling around the target low speed, it didn't look like bombing run.

https://twitter.com/ResistanceER/status/650286868429471744

GREAT NEWS
#Syria | #Hezbollah/#SAA advance North West of #Homs after pounding the area with rockets along with #RuAF pounding 'Sahl Houla'



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He's been a reliable source of Hezbollah information in the past.

Unexploded bomb in Ehsim city in Idlib.

SU34s over Idlib today.

Militarov wrote:

Unexploded bomb in Ehsim city in Idlib.

Why Dumb Bombs fail to blow ?

Source: https://twitter.com/AmbassadorPower/status/650045789985746944