Military facilities accidents and disasters

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

Isos wrote:

GarryB wrote:Artillery storage site for 125mm and 152mm tank and artillery shells... 8 people injured with burns, but nobody dead AFAIK...

Rumors there were 40 000 shells of 125mm and 152mm, atgm, air defence missiles inside. The first shell to explode was a 152mm that exploded and injured 2 guys.

There were also report of black rain and people being evacuated.

Subtle message from God: "Putin, you are screwing it up."


If the stuff Putin reportedly told recently that Stone guy from the U.S. is true.

Lots of hate and venom for Slavs from Poland, and that strange love for the Varangian invaders from Ukraine.

No longer that subtle:

https://twitter.com/BreakingNLive/status/1159551101370322945

IF that's true, then yes they are in fact downplaying it.

That means things are worse then they are letting on.

kvs wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:The spike in radiation that was brief was within natural occurence levels.

See this tweet thread
https://twitter.com/KomissarWhipla/status/1159577224338714635?s=19

So once again, people here react before actually getting straight info.

All these "experts" in this thread are morons.    An explosion can result in re-emission of some mildly radioactive dust layer that
will result in a blip on instruments set to near background ranges.    Another detail is that rocket engine component alloys could
be mildly radioactive depending on where the ore was mined from.   If anyone thinks that metals are pure in manufacturing, then
the are obviously ignorant.   Even gold bars held by central banks don't have 100% purity.  

As you note, the moronic aspect here is to make something out of a trivial radiation spike that has simple explanations.   No
Chernobyl tin foil hate BS needed.

That doesn't stop some people from Poland here posting fake news from fake Intel accounts that not only provide no sources but also can't get information correct

Well to be fair the average german soldier during WW2 was much more skilled than the average Russian.

Yeah, because skill never changes over time... it is static.

Of course German skill at war crimes was excellent... they are like modern Americans in their skill at shooting unarmed people...

They did get very skillful at retreating... skills that HATO has taken to heart and based their plans in European conflicts for their tactics during WWIII.

The German's had no oil and ability to pump out spare parts for tanks and vehicles at any decent rate. German soldiers would fight at Train Depo's for spare parts.

That comes down to strategic planning, for which they were inept.

Skill-wise in comparison yes the soviets where incompetent compared to the germans.

The incompetent side lost. That is the definition of incompetence. They made their Tigers to last 100 years, when they only needed them to last 10.

The Soviets made their T-34s to last 20-30 years and made 50 for every German tank made... and that is why they won.

What lost the Germans the war was fighting on two fronts and their shitty industrial base, if they could have fully committed onto the USSR and had the production base to back it up.

Fighting on two fronts was their decision, and the fact that they never really moved to a proper war footing for their industries was their problem too.

Hitler's arrogance in not listening to his men oh and maybe arming Ukraine at the time who HATED the USSR. When the Germans first marched into Ukraine they were hailed as heroes and liberators.

Yeah, the west german generals loved to blame Hitler for their losses... doesn't make it true though.

Hitlar could have used this to get millions of more needed manpower but instead, his ideals blinded him. Had he done all of this first, Germany would have defeated the USSR in a 1v1 fight easy.

Easy? Germany was dead as soon as they invaded the Soviet territory... Just like Napoleon... but it is OK because the west is going to beat Putin using economic sanctions...

I don't blame Hitler for attacking, everyone knew sooner or later Stalin was going to attack Germany he was just trying to buy time until he felt his forces where ready. Was better to attack an unprepared foe then be attacked.

No, I am sure you are a fan... Just like the US invading Iraq... everyone knew that it was only a matter of time before Saddam invaded the US...

Didn't help Germany all of their allies in WW2 where useless.

Germany picked its own allies... it could have just as easily picked the Soviets as friends and take out all their hatred on the French and British... of course now that it is at the core of the EU it is still the same ruthless bunch of criminals carving up Yugoslavia and in the background in conflicts around the place...

For fucks sake Russia really......A Nuclear accident.

This is a whole new level of incompetence now, conventionally weapons are one thing.

But you can afford a single accident with Nuclear weapons. I need to talk to people now, see whats really going on. If it's Nuclear, I know Russia would be downplaying what's going on to the media and press.

It is OK... even 100 dead is an acceptable cost to create nuclear weapons to destroy the west with...

Could also be an ICBM that exploded during tests with the nuclear warhead spreading around in pieces.

If that were the case there would be no problem detecting the radiation from orbit let alone near the site of the accident.

Eh sorry but if there is something going on they will downplay it.

Of course... if there is no problem then there must be a problem if they say it is bad it must be worse... thanks captain overreaction...

Back when Chernobyl happened the Russians also tried to play that off has a none issue, they have a history of this behavior in this area

I don't remember any information coming from Russia, Chernobyl is in the Ukraine and the information came from the Soviets... and why would the Soviets want to share information with the west for anyway... the west was at war with the Soviets... so the west can go fuck itself.

Not saying it's that level of bad but it's an example the Russians will not be upfront with whats going on if it's related to Nuclear.

But that is exactly what you are suggesting.

The fact something Nuclear happened alone is also a huge problem.

Why?

What business is it of yours?

Civilian organizations lie,

They do... they are called western funded NGOs to be precise...

Is there a reactor leak no of course not, would Russia downplay an issue related to Nuclear with their history hellllll yeah they would. They control all the information that goes out. It's a fair thought to have considering their history.

Why should they be honest and up front with the western media... they are going to twist any information they get like you just did now... it is not in Russias interests to tell the west anything... the west has no right to know...

But hey ignore they had an accident of a nuclear-tipped weapon to the point it's causing a big fuss.

What source are you using to back your claim it was nuclear armed?

Mostly likely the levels are has reported sure, but that doesn't brush everything else under the rug

Russia is not obliged to tell us anything.

IF that's true, then yes they are in fact downplaying it.

That means things are worse then they are letting on.

Why should they release any information to the west... it is funny but you freely admit that the west lies all the time about all sorts of things but suddenly Russia being suspected by you of lying is such a crime... please remind us again of your purpose illegally being in Syria to keep that country divided and at war... you are creating suffering and death but we should think the Russian government is bad because you think they might be underplaying an incident?

Rob Lee
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. Baza is reporting that all 6 of those injured by the explosion received radiation exposure, including 3 with serious doses, and all 6 are being transported to the Burnasyan Federal Medical Biophysical Center in Moscow. 10

Isos wrote:

Rob Lee
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. Baza is reporting that all 6 of those injured by the explosion received radiation exposure, including 3 with serious doses, and all 6 are being transported to the Burnasyan Federal Medical Biophysical Center in Moscow. 10

And that is once again based off of nothing. Other than a guy filming the vehicle.

Serious question, where is medical examination of it? Rather then sensation of course. Rob Lee is BTW, not in Russia.

If the engine of the cruise missile on question was nuclear powered (but said was liquid fuel) blew up, I'm darn certain the radiation levels would be much higher and more deadly.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1159786851517046784

Video of the ambulance. Drivers in protectection suits.

And that is once again based off of nothing. Other than a guy filming the vehicle.

Get over it. There was an accident with nuclear materials, only you doubt about it.

You are aware of NBC protection, right?  In an event of dangerous chemicals, biological or nuclear radiation requires the use of hazmat suits.  So if it was a liquid propellent, which is highly toxic, then yes, they too would be wearing such suits.

But I'm so glad they figured out about high dosage of radiation based upon this.

No, others speculate too.  Because already there were false claims of iodine to civillians

And it wouldn't be first time you believed such things too.  Unlike you, I need hard evidence. With proof from professionals that it is the case.  I mean, if it was radiation poisoning, that's a pretty damn hard thing to hide. Especially with all of these media and sources showing videos and talking about it.

But apparently, everyone lies, unless it fits their narrative.  Rob Lee is just reposting what others say that's all

If it was the new nuclear propulsion systems blew up, then it's possible but radiation spike would be higher and also longer lasting than what they got.

IF they were radiated slightly and the spike for 20mins of radiation was within safe levels, then I have to say this new nuclear propulsion systems is rather impressive.

Sucks 2 people died. Speedy recovery to the rest. But if radiated, they will get cancer eventually.

Isos wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1159786851517046784

Video of the ambulance. Drivers in protectection suits.

And that is once again based off of nothing. Other than a guy filming the vehicle.

Get over it. There was an accident with nuclear materials, only you doubt about it.

Could be filmed at training or unrelated event.
Even death of two people need to be clearly verified. Presumed death, MIA on paper

Well to be fair the average german soldier during WW2 was much more skilled than the average Russian.

German generals and NCOs were better to all participants. Regulat soldiers - not so much. Especially when on both sides they died in big numbers and were replaced by green recruits.
They had Hitler who was retard and offset their advantages by having his say in matters he had no clues. As much as I hate Stalin- he was much much more smarter in military matters.

Best trained soldiers were americans, but they still managed to die fighting Volksturm. Their leaders were moderetally skilled at best.
It's more complicated matter than it sounds.

Didn't help Germany all of their allies in WW2 where useless.

Germans made a mistake by not having a friendly cooperation with Stalin. Stalin would never attack or backstab Hitler of would have focused West.
Best scenario for Europe would be Soviet Axis neutrality pact.

There would be no gypsies, gays, Israel. And if Soviets and Axis went nuclear to contain US cunts - there would be perpetual peace for centuries

Vann7 wrote:

GarryB wrote:Blah blah blah... stopped reading your posts a while ago Vann... nothing new here...

alright GarryB... show me any explosions in any American military base this year?
Show me how many munitions depot in United States exploded in 2019 ?

In Russia this is becoming a normal thing...

And the problem is again Putin..
if you have an Incompetent person on the top.. he will attract incompetent people
like him ,in top Positions.  Incompetent people can't identify competent one .. Because he can't see the things he don't have  .. This is also a leadership problem... Leaders most
important job is not to give orders at all.. do this or do that.. is not micromanagement..
Most important is to get things done ,in an efficient way ,and without having to directly
intervene..  Putin needs to micromanage all.. this shows he is an incompetent as a leader..
Because don't recruit the correct people to do their jobs .

Putin is not a leader in any way shape or form.. he is only a trouble solver. a technician.
A technician is someone you send to any place to fix a problem.. technicians like Putin is,
they are re-actionary.. they only operate when a problems shows...

When a problem shows in Syria ,after trying to avoid it ,he later send his military
to try to solve it.. When a problem shows in Ukraine ,the same. A True leader will have
predicted that Syria was going to be next after IRAQ.. and will have predicted Ukraine color revolution and will have avoided the war.. by understanding how to correctly influence
Ukrainians away of Americans influence.. and not with Gas discounts as Putin did.  

Leaders in the other their real job is to INFLUENCE.. they are directors .
A leader PREVENT problems from happening.. He can see far ahead ,of how things
will develop if things continue the same way..  and he can prevent problems By recruiting  the correct people for the correct job. in the correct place. people with leadership qualities too..influencers.. this allows things to flow naturally , supervised correctly without much interference from the President..

Leader can also inspire everyone to always be the best in their jobs..  Putin is not a leader.
By Speaking softly ,looking downward , with extreme politeness ,he will NEVER inspire anyone to take him seriously. He is terrible for avoiding problems. as a President.. Probably he will do better as a KGB agent.. if the job requires to be completely ignored ,under the radar.. but a true Leader is someone that do much more than unity , he needs to inspire people to be better and more skilled every day.. and more importantly.. A true leader ,should understand very well Russia limitations and his enemies Abilities and weakness..  Putin don't understand at all his enemies ,neither how to counter the American system.
By hosting Olympics and winning many medals or winning agriculture records ,he is not going to convince the west to end their Cold War /semi Hot against Russia. So with Putin
in Power , the possibilities of a nuclear war are real.. they see Putin a weak president and will continue provoking Russia , bombing their base , taking down their planes and it will be
a matter of time ,they target a warship ..or a diplomatic plane . Putin strategy to counter the west is completely wrong.

Have to say Vann7, this is the first of your rants that I actually agree with you on.

Putin is something of an Alexander III, in all essense. He certainly knows how to tighten the screws when confonted with problems when they arise; which he fails to predict. But this causes radicalization in society.

flamming_python wrote:[

Putin is something of an Alexander III, in all essense. He certainly knows how to tighten the screws when confonted with problems when they arise; which he fails to predict. But this causes radicalization in society.

Putin will retire some day. What are the chances that presidential role will be relegated after him? It seems that there are no one being groomed for presidential role. What western media will blame next?

miketheterrible wrote:You are aware of NBC protection, right?  In an event of dangerous chemicals, biological or nuclear radiation requires the use of hazmat suits.  So if it was a liquid propellent, which is highly toxic, then yes, they too would be wearing such suits.

But I'm so glad they figured out about high dosage of radiation based upon this.

No, others speculate too.  Because already there were false claims of iodine to civillians

And it wouldn't be first time you believed such things too.  Unlike you, I need hard evidence. With proof from professionals that it is the case.  I mean, if it was radiation poisoning, that's a pretty damn hard thing to hide. Especially with all of these media and sources showing videos and talking about it.

But apparently, everyone lies, unless it fits their narrative.  Rob Lee is just reposting what others say that's all

If it was the new nuclear propulsion systems blew up, then it's possible but radiation spike would be higher and also longer lasting than what they got.

Except you can't prove the claims are false and are calling them that because you don't like it.

Also you only want tons of proof when it comes to Russia if it's the other way around you take the words at face value so nice try

MOSCOW (Sputnik) - Russian state nuclear energy company Rosatom said five of its employees died in an accident at a military range in the Arkhangelsk Region during tests of liquid-propellant engine, while three other people suffered injuries and burns.

"Five people died during tests of a liquid-propellant engine system as a result of the accident at a military range in the Arkhangelsk Region. Three other colleagues received wounds and various burns," the company said.

It added that the accident took place during engineering and technical works on isotope sources of the engine.

All those wounded had been hospitalized, Rosatom pointed out, expressing condolences to the families of the accident victims.

The accident happened on Thursday, when a blast, followed by a fire, happened during the tests. The Defence Ministry has said back then that two people were killed in the accident.



The incident happened in a military unit in the village of Nenoksa, according to the press service of the Arkhangelsk region governor.

The central marine test site of the Russian Navy is situated on the territory of the Nenoksa administrative district.


Answers some questions... creates others!

So Rosatom is leaving out the Nuclear part, Hm interesting. They are hiding something then.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:So Rosatom is leaving out the Nuclear part, Hm interesting. They are hiding something then.

There's nothing to hide.
Fire and explosion happened and some chemicals got released. Some people got injured. Some ambulances drove by that were caught in the video.
You should be smarter than that- wait for proper confirmation before eating up MSM manure even if it's Sputnik or RT. Use your brain and less antirussian paranoia. All accidents reported turn out way less serious as media tries to portray.

Except you can't prove the claims are false and are calling them that because you don't like it.

So you are accepting these unverified claims because you like that Russian people are dying... what a you are.

You should be smarter than that- wait for proper confirmation before eating up MSM manure even if it's Sputnik or RT. Use your brain and less antirussian paranoia. All accidents reported turn out way less serious as media tries to portray.

Smarter?

He is probably the only one on this forum being paid to be here to spread bullshit... the question is... is Elliot Higgins his boss or does he work for an American organisation for promoting anti Russian views and feelings on the interweb.

Quite a few of our respected members already have said he is not special forces and is not in Syria, I think they are in a better position to judge than I am.

Their first 5th columnist, Vann, is a bit too fanatically anti Putin, and is obviously the foreign agent, but too vulnerable to the tin foil badge that might lead to most ignoring what he says, like I do. SS on the other hand tries to sound more reasonable most of the time... except when it comes time to whip the crowd into a frenzy...

Come on SS... don't we at least get cookies?

Regular wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:So Rosatom is leaving out the Nuclear part, Hm interesting. They are hiding something then.

There's nothing to hide.
Fire and explosion happened and some chemicals got released. Some people got injured. Some ambulances drove by that were caught in the video.
You should be smarter than that- wait for proper confirmation before eating up MSM manure even if it's Sputnik or RT. Use your brain and less antirussian paranoia. All accidents reported turn out way less serious as media tries to portray.

Like it or not there are signs something Nuclear went down. Not some cataclysmic they need to ditch a city deal but something did. Apparently, it was some isotope-powered missile engine that exploded. So yeah they blew up a Nuclear engine, they are lucky as hell it wasn't any worse then it was but it was big enough it caused an incident.

Rosatom is government ran so I don't take their words as fact.

Would you be okay with me stating Pentagon word has fact then because if I did that I am sure you would be like "Wait no we can't take their word has facts" I don't do double standards, buddy.

Rosatom is government ran so I don't take their words as fact.

Rosatom is an enormous company and would be working on all nuclear CAPABLE weapons in Russia for the purposes of testing.

An accident with a new propellent used for firing 152mm shells would also likely have Rosatom employees present for testing and if it exploded while being loaded they would check for radiation whether the warhead was live or not... my fucking smoke alarm has radioactive components... if there was a gas explosion in my house and the smoke alarm got damaged there might be risk of radiation contamination... not that they would give a fuck because the amounts are tiny and would be very localised, but would effect how you treat a patient if they had burns or if they had burns and small levels of radioactive material on them.

And who cares that you don't believe or you think there is a coverup... you are just earning your blood money to stir the waters on Russian forums.

I don't do double standards, buddy.

No, you just murder Syrians defending their country and democratically elected leader... on the same side as ISIS, and organisation that burns women to death for not becoming their sex slaves or cutting the heads off 14 year old boys for the entertainment of Saudis... the same Saudis that likely enjoyed the dismemberment of Kashogi a wee while back... because that is what your controllers are in to... snuff.

GarryB wrote:

Rosatom is government ran so I don't take their words as fact.

Rosatom is an enormous company and would be working on all nuclear CAPABLE weapons in Russia for the purposes of testing.

An accident with a new propellent used for firing 152mm shells would also likely have Rosatom employees present for testing and if it exploded while being loaded they would check for radiation whether the warhead was live or not... my fucking smoke alarm has radioactive components... if there was a gas explosion in my house and the smoke alarm got damaged there might be risk of radiation contamination... not that they would give a fuck because the amounts are tiny and would be very localised, but would effect how you treat a patient if they had burns or if they had burns and small levels of radioactive material on them.

And who cares that you don't believe or you think there is a coverup... you are just earning your blood money to stir the waters on Russian forums.

I don't do double standards, buddy.

No, you just murder Syrians defending their country and democratically elected leader... on the same side as ISIS, and organisation that burns women to death for not becoming their sex slaves or cutting the heads off 14 year old boys for the entertainment of Saudis... the same Saudis that likely enjoyed the dismemberment of Kashogi a wee while back... because that is what your controllers are in to... snuff.

There was a slight radiation leak, I never said it was some massive reactor going critical just that the Russians weren't being fully honest and guess what they weren't.

How is that "stirring" the waters expressing clear doubt against an entity who has a high degree of accidents and has covered up nuclear incidents in the past or tried to? That isn't "Stirring" anything up that's called being realistic given the history. Just because you want to turn a blind eye to it doesn't matter.

You forgot using a group of peoples wish for the freedom to make them puppets and a few other things but what does this have to do with the topic? I have told you countless times if your going to act emotionally just save the response. Russia has committed it's own fair share of crimes in Syria. Russia is using Assad to carry out their wishes, you think they give a flying fuck about the Syrian people no they do not,

Eh Kashogi had nothing to do with us that was all the Saudi's. Much have I guess you want to dream not everything that happens in the world is our fault.

kvs wrote:https://www.rt.com/russia/466238-russian-rocket-blast-sea-rosatom/

0.11 microsieverts lasting less than hour.   And this is local to the accident.    No way that any remove instruments are going to pick
this spike up.

So now we know that the radiation did come from this engine.    An isotope and liquid fuel engine.   Does not make sense to me.
Throwing in some isotopes into a standard rocket engine may increase the heat level of the fuel before combustion.   But we
already have solutions to fuel-preheating.    If the nuclear energy is some sort of gain for this system then, then that is a
rather dirty solution.   Usable only in space.  

Now that I have read this RT article, I am believing that there is a cover-up.   But it ain't no Chernobyl, but military secrets.
Thus, fully legitimate.

Thanks KVS. At least someone here uses facts.