Tu-22M3: News

Big_Gazza wrote:

Azi wrote:@eehnie what kind of complete and utterly bullshit you are posting here?

The Mig-31K is a modification of the Mig-31, but the Tu-22M is a complete new design and not just a modification of the Tu-22! Just look at the picture! Do you have eyes or not???

Tu-22 is no swept wing design, the engines are at a complete different position, the airframe itself looks complete different! Not a single Tu-22 was modernized into the Tu-22M, because it's a a complete different plane. Of course they used a lot of technology and experience from Tu-22 for the Tu-22M (nearly same intended role), but the words "deep modernization" means something complete different...not old planes modernized from Tu-22 to Tu-22M, it means a nearly complete new design!

The Tu-22M designation was a ploy by the Russian military to develop a replacement for the Tu-22 which was a great disappointment.   They got the government approval based on "upgrading" the Tu-22 but the reality is that the Tu-22M is a new design that leveraged a few Tu-22 components (eg fwd fuselage sections and undercarriage?)  to save money.

Some people continue to argue the Tu-22M is an upgraded Tu-22, just like others argue the Tu-95 is based on the Tu-4...  

franco wrote:Believe they were Tu-22M2's not the more modern M3's.

JohninMK wrote:

Tsavo Lion wrote:Words "deep modernization" mean building a new aircraft on the basis of its predecessor, leaving some old design elements in place. There r no set rules on what should/shouldn't change during such modernization.

Sorry but that is not how I would use of that phrase in engineering in the UK.
To me "deep modernization' is taking an existing structure, in this case an existing airframe, and updating parts of it with new elements, which may include virtually everything bar the main structure.
It is not redesigning the structure incorporating new elements. That is a new product.

JohninMK wrote:

Tsavo Lion wrote:Words "deep modernization" mean building a new aircraft on the basis of its predecessor, leaving some old design elements in place. There r no set rules on what should/shouldn't change during such modernization.
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New variants of planes like Il-76/-18/-22/-38s, C-130s, Tu-95/-142s & B-1/-52s remained almost the same on the outside, but very different inside.

Sorry but that is not how I would use of that phrase in engineering in the UK.

To me "deep modernisation' is taking an existing structure, in this case an existing airframe, and updating parts of it with new elements, which may include virtually everything bar the main structure.

It is not redesigning the structure incorporating new elements. That is a new product.

Hole wrote:

franco wrote:Believe they were Tu-22M2's not the more modern M3's.

Tu-22M3´s. Look at the air intake. But they were old and had a lot flying hours, starts and landings. There are younger/less used planes in much better storage to modernise.

Bonus:

Hole wrote:Would be easier to restart the production of the Tu-22M.

The aircraft lost in Georgia was due to arrogance and naivety... they didn't even have their EW helos in place when they executed that attack, without SEAD support...

Hole wrote:Something is missing there…

M4 was planned at the beginning of the 90´s with new electronics and K-32, Kh-57 and UPAB-1500 glide bombs.
M5 was the dedicated successor of the M4.
Now M7.
Where is M6?  

Hole wrote:Something is missing there…

M4 was planned at the beginning of the 90´s with new electronics and K-32, Kh-57 and UPAB-1500 glide bombs.
M5 was the dedicated successor of the M4.
Now M7.
Where is M6?  

According to the officers of the HKS of the Russian Federation who spoke with the correspondent of the portal iz.ru, the modernization of the Tu-22M3 in the M3M variant will not be a problem, and most likely 30 specified vehicles will be delivered by 2021-2022. At the same time, in the future, the option of a deeper improvement of existing aircraft, including, possibly, a part of previously written off aircraft, is being considered. A promising aircraft, presumably designated as Tu-22M7, can receive, among other things, the NK-32 engines, again launched in production, intended for Tu-160 bombers, whose production is expected to be resumed.