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    Post  flamming_python Tue Feb 07, 2023 5:55 am

    It is a good article. Guys I'm going to be perfectly honest with you. Weirder and darker things are coming. Get prepared the best ways you know how. Get right with God.

    Only a fool would underestimate the western world order. There is no underestimation, only inevitabilities. Russia was put in an impossible situation. It must fight for it's life or get regime changed and balkanized into a few petty "republics".

    And in response to popular discontent, the priority for rearmament and centrifugal forces on the peripheries, the EU would presumably close up and become more censor-heavy, more dystopian, and double down on its ideology and propaganda. The US has a little more leeway in this regard but essentially would undergo much of the same process.

    This is if they continue on with their crusade against the changes occurring right now in the world and attempt to stamp them out by coercion and force. If they don't though, then they can say goodbye to the Petrodollar and from just that one thing alone, the US will be faced with an impossible economic crisis and inability to balance its budget expenditures.

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    Post  andalusia Wed Feb 08, 2023 9:02 am

    What if CIA hired trolls are on this site pretty interesting read:



    https://newspunch.com/cia-agents-hired-to-troll-alternative-media-comments-online/
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    Post  TMA1 Wed Feb 08, 2023 10:05 am

    Yeah it's pretty obvious sometimes. Also I have noted a threshold on yt. If a new channel gets over a certain number of subscribers you begin to see that the channel gets flooded with shills. Nafo tier cringe. What's worse is you can point out to nafo types that they are literal footsoldiers for intelligence agencies and many either laugh or deny it in their delusions.

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    Post  AlfaT8 Wed Feb 15, 2023 5:14 am

    I may as well post this.
    Why do these "intelectuals" keep using geographical nonsense to justify their BS.



    Overall, this guy is on some serious shit, who the F is his drug dealer?
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    Post  kvs Wed Feb 15, 2023 5:53 am

    I guess we now know what happened to civilizations collapsing in the past. It is assumed in academia that exogenous factors such
    as long term weather changes affecting harvests drove the collapse, but in reality mass psychology was always involved. Collapse
    was probably always some perfect storm of factors both exogenous and endogenous. In today's best-of-all-time civilization we have
    exponentially progressing brain rot. Life was just too soft and the most recent generations are detached from reality. This includes
    the generation of the clown in the above video. Nothing was there to knock down their blowhard egos. So what you see is a spiral
    into delusional fantasy oblivion. This clown and millions like him can't handle the truth. Their whole mental scaffolding is constructed
    on western exceptionalism myths and they never exerted any intellectual effort to get educated about reality outside their tiny little
    mental box.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Feb 15, 2023 12:13 pm

    The YouTube algorithms suddenly started promoting this shill as the next big thing
    Or should I say the CIA's algorithms

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    Post  GarryB Thu Feb 16, 2023 3:13 am

    Nazi propaganda started getting a bit desperate after '43 too...

    What if CIA hired trolls are on this site pretty interesting read:

    The sad thing is that I don't think our trolls are even getting paid... I mean if you provide a service you should at least get paid for it...

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    Post  AlfaT8 Thu Feb 16, 2023 3:27 am

    The algorithm is annoying me, but lets get more on this nutcase.
    Comedy gold.  Laughing



    Lot of desperation on this May deadline. tongue

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    Post  flamming_python Thu Feb 16, 2023 2:08 pm

    He's actually right about a lot of individual things such as the poor quality of Russian soil and the country's expansion historically having being driven by the need to find defensible geographical barriers, or wars Russia is engaged in typically going poorly or unexpectedly at first. But its interspersed with such bullshit and propaganda and used to build such fantastical conclusions that there's no reason to listen further.
    Actually the most seditious form of propaganda. The one with some insights or truths here and there but only as a means to peddle monstrous falsehoods ultimately.
    Same as his video earlier about the Russian economy, when he brought up some verified points only to dole out the cool-aid on the side.

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:27 pm




    The big expansionist push into Siberia during the 16th and 17th centuries was profit-driven, hunting for the furs was the main goal, and as the fur-producing populations of animals got depleted, the Russians kept on moving east.

    Similar was the Russian expansion during the 18th and 19th centuries into Alaska, Hawaii, and the Fort Ross area in California, as they were massively hunting the sea otters.



    Finding the defensible borders and buffer zones is much more like the 20th century thing.

    Essentially the Winter War was about protecting Leningrad, after Finland refused a generous offer of the Soviet government to exchange territory.

    Also during the post-Soviet period, creation and defence of Abhazia, South Ossetia, and arguably also of the Pridniestrovie/Transdniestria.



    http://asaland.proboards.com/thread/302/ukraine-participated-invasion-south-ossetia




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    Post  flamming_python Thu Feb 16, 2023 8:11 pm

    When you say Siberia you mean places like Yakutia, Kamchatka, Chukotka and so on which were for sure as much profit-driven as any Alaska. Well really anywhere past the Enisei river, as indeed there were no threats to Russia past that frontier.

    But if we're talking about the drive into former Nogai lands in the Volga and the wild steppe in what's today the Ukraine, the establishment of the fortresses of Samara, Orenburg, Omsk and so on, the expansion against the Sibir Khanate, the expansion at least initially into Central Asia, and not to mention into the Caucasus - no it was exactly mostly defensive or at most preemptive in nature.
    The Nogais and Crimean Tatars were raiding the Russian plains, taking slaves for themselves and plundering. After Russia dealt with them then the threat came from nomadic Kazakh tribes, as well as various Caucasian peoples such as the Circassians and Avars; the later in fact were a problem for Russia since ancient times.
    There was a profit-margin to be maintained back then too; while Russian plains and the steppeland was less fertile than its European counterpart - nevertheless the nobility constantly wanted more of it, and were constantly settling newly conquered lands with serfs.

    This wasn't only limited to earlier times either. When it came to the Russian big push into the Caucasus in 19th century, they were in a race with the Ottomans for the Caucasian ridge, while the big push into Central Asia was a race against the British. Of course Persia which was plundered afterwards by Russia - was purely a matter of business though, not defense.

    And yes the Winter War was one might say a pre-emptive one as well, no doubt brought on by Soviet nervousness over the Finns building ties with Germany.

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    Post  AlfaT8 Thu Feb 16, 2023 9:15 pm

    @fp
    Yup, he takes some historical and geographical factors and use those as a base then follows up with some western propaganda in order to reach his weird conclusions.

    Kvs said it best.
    It is litteral mental scaffolding.

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    Post  kvs Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:04 pm

    The drivel about Siberia is thick and rich. How about Canada? Is Canada supposed to be some 1000 year old state founded and run by
    aboriginals? For some badly needed context, France traded away Canada in favour of a couple of small islands in the Caribbean after
    the 1760s war with the UK. The sugar from those islands was considered more valuable than the furs and rocks from Canada.

    Siberia got occupied by Russia but would have been occupied by the Anglo-Saxons and later by the Japanese if Russians did not do it.
    There were no robust local countries there but "wild lands" like North America. The only thing that matters is that Russians treated
    the aboriginals vastly better than the precious western Europeans treated the aboriginals on the lands they colonized. Not one aboriginal
    group in Canada can form a country. By contrast, there are whole functional aboriginal republics in Russian Siberia, e.g. Sakha. None
    of the aboriginals in Russia got driven into reservation ghettos.

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    Post  higurashihougi Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:46 am

    Well even if Canada was an 1000 yrs old state governed by the native rulers then French or Brits will still take it using their typical organized terrorism and put the people there under a harsh domination. We have the typical cases of Asiatic countries in 19th century when the Western imperialism bombarded the local people into submission.

    Ellen Woods in "Empire of Capital" provided an interesting analysis of Spaniards and Brits rules in America and explained why and how the British rule inevitably lead to mass genocides and horrible crimes against humanity towards the Native Americans.

    About the stuff of autonomous native republics, I believe it is case by case rather than a simple formula. Although the horrible crimes of Western imperialism against aboriginals are obvious, the lack of or presence of autonomous republics does not neccessarily mean better or worse treatment against ethnic minorities. The most important things is that whether the ethnic minorities or marginal provinces get significant saying in the policy building of the central government, and whether they manage to get sufficient fund for development. In short it is to reduce the gap between cities and rural area, between economic hotspots and marginal provinces.

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Feb 18, 2023 11:34 pm

    Don't even know where to begin with this butthurt and desperate French article.
    Well, another one for this thread, I guess

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    Ukraine war exposes splits between Global North and South

    Issued on: 17/02/2023 - 07:17
    Leela JACINTO

    Over the past year, most Global South countries adopted a position of studied neutrality on the war in Ukraine. Their self-interest over the principles of international law and stability ended up serving Russian interests and regional tyrants, but not their citizens, who comprise most of the world’s population.

    When Kavita Krishnan, an activist and feminist, quit her top posts in the Communist Party of India (Marxist-Leninist) Liberation last year due to differences over the war in Ukraine, it promptly made the news in the national press.

    Krishnan, 50, was in the party’s central committee and was secretary of its women’s organisation, the All India Progressive Women’s Association, for over two decades. An author and outspoken women’s rights activist, she’s a familiar face in the media and even featured on the BBC’s 2014 100 Women list.

    So, when she announced her resignation in September in a Facebook post due to “troubling political questions”, it was duly noted in the news reports. Her recent social media posts on the Ukraine war were mentioned, but they were not examined in detail.



    Shortly after Russia invaded a neighbouring sovereign state, Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s government adopted a policy of studied neutrality. As India abstained from the first UN vote demanding an end to the Russian offensive – and kept up the pattern in successive votes – the Indian media largely fell in line with the official position.

    The consensus, Krishnan noted, extended from right-wing Modi supporters to leftist opponents of his government’s Hindu supremacist policies.

    As Russian troops advanced on several fronts in the early stages of the war, the national news focused on Indian students trapped in Ukraine, reducing a war threatening the international system to a very local story. Commentators adopted Kremlin talking points of Russia being “wronged” by NATO. It fit neatly with the anti-Western hegemony discourse popular in Indian right-wing and leftist circles. The war in Ukraine, in Indian public opinion, was “Europe’s problem”. India, it was widely accepted, must look out for its own interests.

    Krishnan though had been on another intellectual journey. Over the past few years, the feminist activist had been reading up on Ukrainian history, particularly its past under the Soviet yoke, including the Great Famine – also called the Holodomor – caused by Joseph Stalin’s policies.

    “I was less ready to accept the usual explanations by the Left – and even by progressives,” she said in a phone interview from New Delhi. “I genuinely believed there was a gap of information in my organisation. I tried, for a very long time, to fill that gap. I faced resistance on many fronts. The first was an unwillingness to give up on the idea that this was Ukraine resisting Russia, not 'the West vs the Rest'.”

    Another factor, she explained, was a lack of historical awareness. “Ukraine suffered as much under Stalin as under Hitler. Without that understanding of history, one can’t understand why Ukraine is fighting now,” she maintained.

    Her resignation was long brewing, but it did not make her decision any easier. “It was very lonely. I was in this organisation nearly 30 years, I really didn’t want to break with them,” she explained. “I was trying to explore why the Global South was getting so much so wrong. They didn’t want me to do that.”

    The Ukraine war has been a moment of reckoning for the international community. One year after the Russian invasion, a tectonic chasm appears to have split the Global North from the Global South. Confronted with the sort of aggression and territorial expansionism that the postwar world order was designed to avert, the Western alliance, also called the Global North, has overcome competition and rivalries to maintain unity.

    More than 70 years after the end of World War II, several countries of Asia, Africa, the Middle East and South America that were “emerging” for decades have essentially emerged on the world stage. The terminology for this group of nations has also kept apace, evolving from “less developed countries (ldcs)” to “developing” to the more acceptable “Global South”.

    But what this collective stands for, and is willing to defend on the international stage, is more murky. And that could spell trouble not just for global peace and stability, but also for the collective aspirations and ideals of most of the world’s population.
    UN abstentions, military drills and Moscow visits

    The division between the positions of the Global North and South became evident during the very first UN vote on the Ukraine war.

    On March 2, 2022, when the UN General Assembly gathered at a special emergency session to vote on a resolution condemning Russia’s invasion, the 35 abstentions included some of the leading members of the Global South, such as China, India, South Africa and Senegal. Some countries – including Morocco, Venezuela and Ethiopia – were simply not in the room to cast a vote, abstaining even from an abstention. With many African, Asian and Latin American countries having historic ties to Moscow, they were unwilling to pick a side.

    The resolution was nevertheless adopted with a resounding 141 countries voting in favour.



    By April 7, 2022, when the General Assembly gathered to vote on a resolution to kick Russia out of the UN Human Rights Council, international unity on Moscow’s actions had weakened. This was despite the evidence emerging of a Russian massacre of civilians in the Kyiv suburb of Bucha.

    The abstentions this time rose from 35 to 58, and they included Brazil. With that, all the countries of the BRICS bloc comprising Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa cast their lot with a fellow member, the prime belligerent.



    As experts in think tanks published papers questioning whether the West is losing the Global South, the optics was already pointing to a lost cause – even among recipients of generous Western aid.

    When the war broke out on February 24, 2022, then-Pakistani leader Imran Khan was in the Kremlin, meeting President Vladimir Putin despite US warnings on a Russian border mobilisation. When the troops did cross into Ukraine, Khan declared it an “exciting time” to be in Moscow.

    As the world marks the first anniversary of the war, South Africa is holding joint military exercises with Russia and China. The drills – called Mosi, which means “smoke” in Tswana, a South African language – run from February 17-27 off the coast of KwaZulu-Natal, sending a powerful message on Pretoria’s proclaimed neutrality.
    Not so neutral after all

    Twelve months after the start of the Ukraine war, experts say the “neutrality” argument espoused in several Global South capitals has proved to be in favour of Russia.

    “In economic terms, Russia is benefitting from the politics decided in New Delhi and Riyadh,” said Michel Duclos, a former French ambassador to Syria and a special advisor to the Paris-based Institut Montaigne.

    On October 5, as Europe braced for a chilly, costly winter without Russian fossil fuels, Saudi Arabia joined fellow OPEC members in slashing oil production, pushing up energy prices in Moscow’s favour. The decision came despite a controversial visit by US President Joe Biden to the oil-rich kingdom to try to convince Saudi Arabia to increase oil production.

    “This enabled some of the Global South’s biggest oil importers to buy ever-cheaper Russian crude. This in turn has helped Russia finance its costly military adventures in Ukraine,” explained Duclos.

    With Russia slashing its oil and gas prices, some of the biggest beneficiaries have been the biggest Global South nations. China imported record levels of Russian oil since the war began and India did likewise, importing a whopping 33 times more in December than a year earlier.
    Semantics and diplomatic dodges

    The term “Global South” has been much debated, but is widely deployed despite its geographic inaccuracies – Australia and New Zealand, for instance are firmly in the Global North. The UN’s Finance Center for South-South Cooperation lists 78 countries, but at times qualifies them as a “group of 77 and China”.

    “When we say Global South, it’s a label that sparks debate and contestations. My own position is, it’s better to accept terminology that people themselves use. If we want to discuss and engage with them, let’s not deprive them of the vocabulary they want,” noted Duclos.

    “Having said that, inside the Global South, there are some countries that are much more important than others,” continued Duclos. “These countries count more and have reached a level of economic might, which means the West is not in a position anymore to exert pressure.”

    The inclusion of middle powers in the Global South family can at times see an artful dodging of responsibility on the international stage.

    At the November 2022 COP27 climate summit for instance, some of the world’s biggest current carbon emitters, such as China, India and Brazil, were let off the hook when, as developing nations, they were not required to contribute to a climate change loss and development fund. The fund was hailed as a “breakthrough”, despite the conference's failure to reach a deal on the vital 1.5 degrees global heating target.
    And we’re living in a multipolar world

    While some Global South countries are more equal than others, what binds this diverse group together is the quest for a “multipolar” world order stacked against the “unipolar hegemony” of the West.

    It also happens to be Russia’s favourite talking point, which has turned louder as Moscow attempts to justify a clear breach of international law.

    Weeks before he ordered an invasion of Ukraine, Putin was in China for the 2022 Winter Olympics, just in time to issue a joint statement with his Chinese counterpart, Xi Jinping, on the need to “advance multipolarity”.

    Russia and China are both permanent UN Security Council members and have successfully blocked more than a dozen resolutions on Syria. The three Western permanent members – France, the US and UK – all support the inclusion of India and a permanent African representation on the Security Council.

    But these facts tend to get overlooked in Asian and African capitals, when Russian officials rail against “Western hegemony”.

    Since the Ukraine war began, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has kept up a frenetic diplomatic charm offensive, visiting India, China and several African countries, including South Africa, Egypt, Ethiopia, Mali and Sudan. At news conferences from Pretoria to Khartoum, he never fails to mention the “creation of a multipolar world order”.
    Multipolarity or multi-imperialisms?

    The Russian argument has failed to convince Krishnan. Months after she quit her posts over the Ukraine war, the political activist published a critique in a leading online magazine on the multipolarity discourse, which she noted had turned into “a rallying cry for despots, that serves to dress up their war on democracy as a war on imperialism”.

    As a lifelong leftist activist, Krishnan is not blind to the historical and contemporary wrongs committed by Western countries, including colonialism, imperialism, invasions and occupations. But she warns against a multipolarity of regional tyrants cracking down on the opposition, minorities, free speech and other liberal democratic values.

    “Ukraine isn't a 'pole'. In South Asia, India is the emerging 'pole', not Nepal or Bangladesh,” she explained. “Multipolarity has always meant multi-imperialism, now it means multi-despotism, where each despot is free to be despotic.”

    She also rejects arguments that the Global South’s “neutrality” on the Ukraine war is an extension of the Cold War-era Non-Alignment Movement, which saw primarily postcolonial nations refusing to be officially aligned with either the US or the USSR.

    “Multipolarity is very different from non-alignment, which was in theory based on noble ideas, not on pragmatic, amoral self-interest,” she explained.
    Re-engaging and changing the narrative

    The Ukraine war may mark a turning point in the West’s relationship with the majority of the world’s population in the Global South. But it did not just happen in February 2022, it’s been slowly in the making, according to Duclos. The conflict in eastern Europe has simply brought it to light.

    “For me, the lessons of this current crisis is that the Global North and Global South are not living anymore in the same conceived world,” said Duclos. “There’s a competition of influence. We have to work against the Russian narrative and Chinese influence, which is important to the Global South because of trade and economic interests,” he noted.

    The West has now been caught napping while powerful Global South countries refused to weigh in on a series of Russian infringements, from the 2014 annexation of Crimea to the 2008 war in Georgia. But the time has come, Duclos believes, for the Global North to tackle the issue head-on.

    “There’s now a window of opportunity for the West to rebuild the kind of order that respects the basic tenets of the international system and individual rights with at least some members of the Global South,” he maintained. “Right now, a lot of these countries have illiberal governments and the people are suffering from it.”

    Increasing the people’s understanding of issues is now Krishnan’s main mission since she quit her political party.

    A year after the war began and Krishnan was forced to confront the “loneliness” of her positions, she says she’s having some success in getting her message across.

    Her essay, “Multipolarity, the Mantra of Authoritarianism”, has now been widely republished and distributed. It’s also been translated in a number of languages and the responses have been overwhelming.

    In the lead-up to the anniversary of the Russian invasion, Krishnan got a call from a woman in the northeastern Ukrainian city of Kharkiv who is translating her essay into Ukrainian.

    “It filled me with humility and joy to hear that a woman sitting in Kharkiv was translating what I wrote. I’m happy with the relationships I am building across the world with people who want a better, more egalitarian world,” she said. “I’m busy telling my friends in India that our coloniser was from across the sea. In Ukraine, Moscow was just as colonial, expropriating grain and starving the people. Ukrainians are trying to stop itself from being recolonised and they must be supported.”

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    Post  kvs Sun Feb 19, 2023 12:35 am

    The NATzO west is engaged in revisionism.   We now have talk about a "Kievan state" around 1000 AD.  There was no such entity.
    They are laundering the BS "history" of Ukr nazionalists about how "Ukraine" adopted Christianity in 988 and that Knyaz Vladimir was
    some Volodymr an Ukr.   The word Ukraine did not exist during that period.   It showed up only after the occupation of the former
    Kievan Rus lands by the Grand Duchy of Poland and Lithuania in the wake of the Tatar-Mongol devastation (Kiev was destroyed and
    most of what is now Ukraine was depopulated).  

    The notion that Stalin built the USSR on the backs of Ukrainians is cringe nonsense.   The industrial part of "Ukraine" was and remains
    the Donbass.   These are ethnic Russian lands gifted to Soviet Ukraine during the 1920s by the Bolsheviks who created the state known as
    Ukraine.   This is why the idea of the sanctity of Ukraine's borders is total BS.   Also, Ukraine was not the only industrial region of the USSR.
    Russia and other republics saw industrialization during the 1930s.    

    Ukraine experienced forced collectivization famine which was mostly due to resistance where crops were burned and livestock killed to
    stop them falling into the hands of the state.   This detail is expunged from the Holodmor hoax narrative peddled in the west since after
    WWII where every Nazi became a saint to fight godless communism.   There is no question that the Holodomor is a hoax.   The claimed
    14 million "Ukrainian" deaths, including the in the Donbass where the Ukr nazionalists claim all the Russians came in as squatters after the
    1930s, combined with 7 million WWII deaths would have reduced the population of Ukraine by 21 million when it had a population under
    30 million in the late 1920s.   So Ukraine would have reached 52 million by 1990 starting from around 9 million after 1945 with a TFR
    under 1.1 over most of this 45 year period.   Utter nonsense.

    If the USSR was so bent on genocide against Ukrainians, then why not finish the job?  What was stopping them?   All these agit-prop
    narratives are intellectually insulting drivel.

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    Post  higurashihougi Sun Feb 19, 2023 4:26 am

    Ukraine war exposes splits between Global North and South

    The Global South has long been treated as colonies and has been blood-sucked by the self-proclaimed beautiful garden of the West. So it is a good thing for the Global South to break from the West.

    The War in Ukraine exposes the hypocrisy of the Western world and also exposes the fact that people has begun to muster force to challenge the Western hegemony.

    When Kavita Krishnan, an activist and feminist, quit her top posts in the Communist Party of India (Marxist-Leninist) Liberation last year due to differences over the war in Ukraine, it promptly made the news in the national press.

    Krishnan though had been on another intellectual journey. Over the past few years, the feminist activist had been reading up on Ukrainian history, particularly its past under the Soviet yoke, including the Great Famine – also called the Holodomor – caused by Joseph Stalin’s policies.

    “I was less ready to accept the usual explanations by the Left – and even by progressives,” she said in a phone interview from New Delhi. “I genuinely believed there was a gap of information in my organisation. I tried, for a very long time, to fill that gap. I faced resistance on many fronts. The first was an unwillingness to give up on the idea that this was Ukraine resisting Russia, not 'the West vs the Rest'.”

    Another factor, she explained, was a lack of historical awareness. “Ukraine suffered as much under Stalin as under Hitler. Without that understanding of history, one can’t understand why Ukraine is fighting now,” she maintained.

    How the hell this woman managed to get into the top brass of Indian Communist Party ? The Party should have been fired her sooner. How long has she been spreading the Western propaganda about Holodomor and other pieces of craps to Communist sympathizers ?

    "Ukraine suffered as much under Stalin as under Hitler" WTF is this sh*t ???????

    Granted, Ukrainian people deserve freedom and independence. But does she know that Zelensky regime is a puppet regime installed by the West in this war is not Ukraine fight against Russia for itself, but a puppet government throw its people into the battlefield for the sake of Western masters ?

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Feb 19, 2023 12:57 pm

    How the hell this woman managed to get into the top brass of Indian Communist Party ? The Party should have been fired her sooner. How long has she been spreading the Western propaganda about Holodomor and other pieces of craps to Communist sympathizers ?

    "Ukraine suffered as much under Stalin as under Hitler" WTF is this sh*t ???????

    Granted, Ukrainian people deserve freedom and independence. But does she know that Zelensky regime is a puppet regime installed by the West in this war is not Ukraine fight against Russia for itself, but a puppet government throw its people into the battlefield for the sake of Western masters ?

    Yeah what's she going to say next, that Saddam Hussein had WMDs and that although the US may be capitalist pig-dogs, they were right to invade Iraq and rid the world of a murderous dictator?
    It's a good thing the USSR collapsed instead of the NATO bloc, because after all it never really achieved socialism and committed human rights abuses itself?
    That Assad is a dictator, with a secret police force, and probably had chemical weapons too.. at least the US managed to save the Kurds in the north-east of the country by keeping them out of both the Syrian regime's and the Islamists' hands?
    That the Chinese communists are basically capitalist now anyway, and the anarchists who were staging riots in Hong Kong are the real socialists.. it doesn't matter that they're funded by the US and the UK and trained by all sorts of Soros-linked organizations; it matters that they're against the CCP's totalitarian rule?

    The US has been infiltrating socialist and communist organizations since the Cold War

    Back in the 60s it managed to peel off a lot of USSR-supporting intelligentsia towards admonishing Stalinism and what the USSR had become.. well despite the fact that Khrushchev also denounced Stalin.
    But the issue is that these Trotskyists only played into the hands of Washington by provoking divisions and then not proposing anything of value in return.

    Anyway that's a well-known story.

    These days socialist and left-organizations are less important, but the infiltration and subversion is no less evident.

    In the Middle East the US and allies are using all sorts of rhetoric about empowering women and historically oppressed ethnic groups.. the issue here is no different than when the British took control of India. What use is nominal self-determination for this or that people or social class if ultimately it all goes towards facilitating an outside empire in taking control of the entire region, who will subsequently play off everyone against each other in order to maintain power there while dictating in what currency the local resources will be sold in and in what international banks the local elites should store their savings in?

    Fake left-wing parties or outside-managed ones are a common feature in Europe. But it's thing in South America as well.
    That party which emerged as the largest one in Chile not too long ago uses socialist symbology and rhetoric but that's just the PR crafted to order in a continent where left-wing ideology is popular among common people. In actual fact it joined a coalition together with all sorts of neo-liberal parties promoting IMF economics, propagates the standard globalist progressive claptrap about oppressed trans and LGBTQ people, and has diplomatically supported the regime in the Ukraine.
    By contrast, neighboring Peru elected an actual socialist into power, who didn't last 18 months before being deposed in a political coup. Demonstrations in his support have faced lethal violence from the police.
    https://apnews.com/article/indigenous-people-peru-government-ecuador-caribbean-lima-c31f1bf7fed534bab38b0716b7d1801c

    It seems that everywhere where there is a multi-party democracy, it gets taken advantage of. The key thing to understand is that these are mostly plutocracies in fact, the rule of the rich, and so the political parties that work closest with local elites and the US elites, and elicit their support, are the ones that either win the elections or emerge as the largest opposition parties.

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    Post  AlfaT8 Sun Feb 19, 2023 4:06 pm

    The Russian argument has failed to convince Krishnan. Months after she quit her posts over the Ukraine war, the political activist published a critique in a leading online magazine on the multipolarity discourse, which she noted had turned into “a rallying cry for despots, that serves to dress up their war on democracy as a war on imperialism”.

    As a lifelong leftist activist, Krishnan is not blind to the historical and contemporary wrongs committed by Western countries, including colonialism, imperialism, invasions and occupations. But she warns against a multipolarity of regional tyrants cracking down on the opposition, minorities, free speech and other liberal democratic values.

    “Ukraine isn't a 'pole'. In South Asia, India is the emerging 'pole', not Nepal or Bangladesh,” she explained. “Multipolarity has always meant multi-imperialism, now it means multi-despotism, where each despot is free to be despotic.

    So Sovereignty is now despotism?
    The F am i reading? Laughing

    “For me, the lessons of this current crisis is that the Global North and Global South are not living anymore in the same conceived world,” said Duclos. “There’s a competition of influence. We have to work against the Russian narrative and Chinese influence, which is important to the Global South because of trade and economic interests,” he noted.

    Yes F Sovereignty, ma trade and ma economy are more important, so let's maintain the status quo where the West dominates.
    Spoken like a true colonial French man.
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    “Multipolarity is very different from non-alignment, which was in theory based on noble ideas, not on pragmatic, amoral self-interest,” she explained.
    Re-engaging and changing the narrative

    WTF??.... no, the non aligned movement was all about pragmatism and self-interest, that was the entire point.
    Who the F thought this woman history?? Laughing

    Her essay, “Multipolarity, the Mantra of Authoritarianism”, has now been widely republished and distributed. It’s also been translated in a number of languages and the responses have been overwhelming.

    She should rename her essay, something like "My beloved West, my sole Tyrant"

    This woman be crazy, she simply believes that without the West the world would fall, as in fall into something Non-western of which she is against.
    Mostly because the West is helping spread her precious progressive ideology, that is why she has to take a pro-western stance.
    Because the world must kneel to her ideology.

    That or she is a neo-liberal Western puppet, planted in the Communist party, finally got caught as an infiltrator and quickly kicked out of the party.
    Which is something they should have done long ago, but she probly kept using the Feminist shield in order to stick around.
    Hopefully other parties take note and start dealing with these western agents.

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    Post  TMA1 Sun Feb 19, 2023 5:40 pm

    "Multipolarity, the Mantra of Authoritarianism"

    lol wtf am I reading???
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Feb 20, 2023 12:40 am

    The State of the Union speech Biden gave some days ago

    The one which Mercouris mentioned in his dispatch this evening, about Biden becoming visibly angry and unhinged when talking about Xi Jinping and how nobody would swap places with him




    Looks like Hitler's bunker and the the Communist Party of the Soviet Union later congresses all rolled into one. More the first one even.
    Just observe the detachment from reality and the standing ovations in response to it
    Or the soulless expressions of the highest officials on the front bench, and the solemn faces of the generals

    Biden wouldn't trade places with Xi Jinping. But I wouldn't trade places neither with him with his temper issues leading his country and its allies into a calamity, or with anyone in his audience.
    There's no life in any of these people. They're all either yes-men or struck with self-doubt all the way into a walking coma

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    Post  kvs Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:59 pm

    You will get spammed with Zeihan videos on YouCrap even without clicking on the one linked above. Alphabet tracks everything.

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    Post  kvs Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:05 pm

    America's insecurity over Chinese success is pathological. They really sense the end of their colonial racket since China is actually
    investing in the 3rd world instead of raping it like the Americans and their EU and other vassals. I think one of the main reasons
    why 85% of the planet refused to sign up with the NATzO west against Russia over the last year is because China has shown that
    there is a better way. China is the key element in preventing the submission of the planet to NATzO.

    The open talk about how the US is going to have a war with China "over Taiwan" in the next couple of years underscores the panic
    in Washington. They can't win against Russia but are going to go to war against China at the same time. This is absurd. The only
    option they have is a first nuclear strike attempt. But that means the literal, physical end of the USA and its minions.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Feb 21, 2023 5:37 am

    The open talk about how the US is going to have a war with China "over Taiwan" in the next couple of years underscores the panic
    in Washington. They can't win against Russia but are going to go to war against China at the same time. This is absurd. The only
    option they have is a first nuclear strike attempt. But that means the literal, physical end of the USA and its minions.

    Getting a war going between China and Taiwan would require Taiwan to be very very stupid.... something easy to do in corrupt nazi loving Kiev, but not so easy in Asia I would think, though there were plenty in South Vietnam who got into bed with the US at the expense of their own people.

    The point is that if they manage it they will want to extract themselves from the war in Europe as fast as they can which would be good for Russia.

    I think China will be careful not to start a war over Taiwan... they can be patient... as the west collapses Taiwan will be more and more inclined to trade and have good relations with China anyway.

    For Russia I don't think they would fall for US bullshit for peace anyway so any peace in the Ukraine will be with Ukrainians in Kiev with no association or support from the west... ie neutral... and they can sort out their future as a neutral country with no ties to the US and perhaps trade links to the EU but never part of the EU.

    How could Russia trust Germany or France or the US with a peace agreement after Minsk.

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    Post  Hannibal Barca Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:23 am

    GarryB wrote:Getting a war going between China and Taiwan would require Taiwan to be very very stupid.... something easy to do in corrupt nazi loving Kiev, but not so easy in Asia I would think, though there were plenty in South Vietnam who got into bed with the US at the expense of their own people.

    The point is that if they manage it they will want to extract themselves from the war in Europe as fast as they can which would be good for Russia.

    I think China will be careful not to start a war over Taiwan... they can be patient... as the west collapses Taiwan will be more and more inclined to trade and have good relations with China anyway.

    For Russia I don't think they would fall for US bullshit for peace anyway so any peace in the Ukraine will be with Ukrainians in Kiev with no association or support from the west... ie neutral... and they can sort out their future as a neutral country with no ties to the US and perhaps trade links to the EU but never part of the EU.

    How could Russia trust Germany or France or the US with a peace agreement after Minsk.

    It is not clear what is going to be the next day in Ukraine. Much depend on the proceedings of the ongoing war.
    Seems that when the war ends, West will try to put whatever remains into EU and NATO and this will be achievable given that the remaining state will have mostly Western Ukrainians, especially if the regime will not collapse and it will not collapse if the defeat its not devastating. That's why makes sense to me that Russia has to perpetuate the war and never sign a peace treaty but only indefinite cease of fire, Korean style or go fully Jewish and keep bombing Ukraine at will indifinetely.

    Regarding Taiwan, I am not so sure if they have the smarts to avoid a similar development, IMO it is more that the Americans cannot push the relations to the point of no return given that Taiwan is small and very isolated from army supplies. In addition, a defeat in Taiwan will be perceived more as a weakness for the USA than in Ukraine.

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