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Putin aide explained why Russia "cool" to the An-70
http://vpk.name/news/88241_sovetnik_putina_obyasnil_pochemu_rossiya_ostyila_k_an70.html
http://vpk.name/news/88241_sovetnik_putina_obyasnil_pochemu_rossiya_ostyila_k_an70.html
Russia says its passivity in the project AN-70 roll of Ukraine to NATO.Ukraine's desire to cooperate with the military alliance NATO and attempts to convey scientific and engineering documentation for military transport plane An-70 NATO countries led to a cool attitude to Russian project of the aircraft as a whole.
In an interview with UNIAN said Russian presidential adviser Sergei Glazyev, explaining the reasons for the problems and prospects of economic cooperation between Ukraine and Russia, both within and outside the framework of the Customs Union.
"At the time, NATO has expressed interest in the model AN-70, ripped the necessary design documentation and deceived Ukraine. At the time when Ukraine went a bias towards putting science and technology by NATO countries and, even more so when entrenched in power "orange" and Ukraine announced that it will join NATO, Russia had invested some money in import substitution on the types of military equipment, which is produced jointly. As a result, a modernized version of the Il-76, which is a competitor of the An-70 " - S. Glazyev said.
He noted that the project is up and modernized IL-76 are already being collected. "There was a competitive situation. Would not it be bank of Ukraine to NATO, would not have such consequences," - said S. Glazyev.
However, he does not give up on the project of An-70. "As many experts say, is the best aircraft in its class, and this should continue to jointly develop a niche and develop it. But we must understand that to do so within the EEA, we understand the logic of each other much more easily than in a situation where we simply does not understand the logic of the Ukrainian leadership, "- said S. Glazyev and recalled that a similar situation was observed in the attempts of Ukraine to use U.S. nuclear fuel at Ukrainian nuclear power plants. "When we are faced with such an absurd decision, it is very seriously jeopardizes all military-technical cooperation in high-tech industries. Though the high-tech sector, of course, is our joint competitive advantage, and I support the idea to develop the widest possible scientific and technical cooperation in the missile and space and aircraft manufacturing sectors in the nuclear industry, where a combination of competitive advantages can produce first-class products and go out together on the world market, "- said the official, adding that there is a possible competition projects.
As UNIAN reported earlier, the Prime Minister of Ukraine Mykola Azarov at the international round table "Inter-Party Cooperation within the CIS," said Ukraine will continue to manufacture military transport aircraft An-70 even without the participation of Russia. He noted that Ukraine will be able to bring the AN-70 to serial production. Earlier, at the beginning of April 2013, chief designer of the state enterprise "Antonov" Dmitry Kiva at the air show in Rio de Janeiro, said that the test of AN-70 suspended due to a tightening of work on the part of one of the two customers - the Ministry of Defense of Russia. We also note that, in the words of Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of Ukraine to the Russian Federation Vladimir Elchenko, the successful implementation of the project of creating a new Russian-Ukrainian medium military transport aircraft An-70, as well as the implementation of other joint projects depends primarily on the political will of Russia.
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More Antonov problems. Supposedly (I have no clue as to the source validity):
-Ukrainian MOD is stopping financing for the AN-70 untill issues with Antonov are resolved.
-Source of problem is the money the MOD paid Antonov to complete two planes, was used for re-equipping and modernizing the plant. Money was explicitly for the planes, not the plant.
-Other information states that Antonov has still not paid TAPO for the building of two wings made on order from Antonov.
More Antonov problems. Supposedly (I have no clue as to the source validity):
-Ukrainian MOD is stopping financing for the AN-70 untill issues with Antonov are resolved.
-Source of problem is the money the MOD paid Antonov to complete two planes, was used for re-equipping and modernizing the plant. Money was explicitly for the planes, not the plant.
-Other information states that Antonov has still not paid TAPO for the building of two wings made on order from Antonov.
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-Other information states that Antonov has still not paid TAPO for the building of two wings made on order from Antonov.
I am surprised about TAPO producing components. I assumed most of the tooling had been scrapped as they only completed Il-76.
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Pity the Ukr. industry is still in a mess. And they don't seem to be trying to fix it in any planned way
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An-70 waiting for decision by Russian Defence Ministry
An-70 airlifter prototype, which has been undergoing tests in Kiev since last autumn after a two-year upgrade, is to be unveiled at the current jubilee air show in Le Bourget.
Antonov commenced the upgrade of the An-70’s avionics suite and powerplant in line with the specifications requirement approved by the Russian and Ukrainian defence ministries in August 2010. The last, 625th, flight of the only An-70 prototype (UR-NTK, c/n 01-02) prior to the upgrade had taken place on 28 July 2010.
The An-70 upgrade led to the replacement of the SV-27 propfans of the D-27 engines with more sophisticated ones, with the pitch between the front and rear props increased by 300 mm. This resulted in noise reduction and propfan performance improvement. In addition, a modified engine FADEC and propfan control system was introduced as well as the TA-12-60 auxiliary power unit was ousted by the TA-18-200-70 one from the Aerosila scientific and production in Stupino (Moscow region), which features an expanded operating conditions bracket.
The avionics suite underwent heavy upgrade owing to its transition to advanced electronic componentry and the need of accomplishing new missions in line with the customer’s requirements specified more accurately. In the cockpit, TV-type CRT displays were replaced with six colour multifunction liquid-crystal displays. The ball of the electro-optical system designed for night landing on unpaved airfields and round-the-clock airdrop operations appeared under the nose section. Antonov news release stressed: “The mathematical models and algorithms embodied in the aircraft control system and aircraft components remained the same. This ensured the continuity with the earlier performed stages of the trials and guarantees the suitability of the results produced”.
The An-70 first flight after two-years upgrade programme took place in Kiev on 27 September 2012. Its preliminary test programme designed for 20 sorties was completed with success in December 2012, and the aircraft entered the final phase of its official trials, which provides for 75 test sorties, according to Antonov Designer General Dmitry Kiva.
The flying and ground crews involved in the programme had been trained at Antonov’s Training Centre, where an An-70 flight test stand was introduced. The stand is designed for testing aircraft systems, particularly, the fly-be-wire system, and checking their fail safety as well as for preparing pilots or various situation possible during the trials and for pilot training.
According to the official information released by Antonov, the An-70 had logged about 670 flights exceeding 710 flight hours by March 2013, including about 30 sorties totalling about 50 hours after the recent upgrade programme. In April, the aircraft was painted in a new dark-gray colour scheme meeting the current standard of the Russian Air Force.
The An-70 is planned for production by a pool of Russian and Ukrainian companies. The final assembly site for the An-70s intended for the Russian Air Force Military Transport Command expecting about 60 aircraft of the type has been changed repeatedly in recent years. Russian Premier Dmitry Medvedev voiced the latest decision in June 2012. A new production facility was to be built on Gorbunov KAPO’s premises in Kazan, with the fuselage panels supposed to be supplied by the Avistar-SP plant in Ulyanovsk and the wings and empennage by the Antonov plant in Kiev.
The D-27 engine co-production will be run by Motor Sich in Zaporozhye and Salut in Moscow, while Aerosila in Stupino will supply SV-27 propfans and TA-18-200-70 APUs. The first production An-70s were expected to be made in Kazan in 2015–16, with the plant possibly manufacturing up to 12 aircraft a year by the end of the decade.
However, the reshuffle of the leaders of the Russian Defence Ministry, which took place in November 2012, may cause a revision of the plans. At the late-December conference chaired by the new Russian defence minister General of the Army Sergei Shoigu and dedicated to the acquisition of advanced aircraft for the RusAF Military Transport Command, it was said that a decision on the An-70 procurement could be put on the back burner until the completion of the aircraft’s test programme. The Russian Defence Ministry will bankroll the trials and completion of the first production-standard aircraft in Kiev, but abstain from allocating money for the launching of An-70 assembly in Kazan so far. A decision on series acquisition of An-70 aircraft and, hence, on their production in Russia is expected to be made later this year based on the outcome of the An-70’s official test programme and talks with Ukraine about the intellectual property matters pertaining to the programme.
By the way, on 21 December 2012, the fuselage of the first production-standard An-70 airlifter (c/n 01-04) was taken out of the stocks in a ceremony at the Antonov aircraft production plant in Kiev. The fuselage was then moved to the final assembly shop. It is the first of the two production-standard An-70s ordered by the Ukrainian Defence Ministry in 2004 and laid down by Antonov as far back as 2001. The other production An-70 c/n 01-05 is at the fuselage sections assembly stage. The set of wings to fit the two aircraft was ordered from TAPC in Uzbekistan. The first production-standard An-70 built in Kiev may be completed in 2014.
http://en.take-off.ru/news/107-june2012/759-an-70-waiting-for-decision-by-russian-defence-ministry
An-70 airlifter prototype, which has been undergoing tests in Kiev since last autumn after a two-year upgrade, is to be unveiled at the current jubilee air show in Le Bourget.
Antonov commenced the upgrade of the An-70’s avionics suite and powerplant in line with the specifications requirement approved by the Russian and Ukrainian defence ministries in August 2010. The last, 625th, flight of the only An-70 prototype (UR-NTK, c/n 01-02) prior to the upgrade had taken place on 28 July 2010.
The An-70 upgrade led to the replacement of the SV-27 propfans of the D-27 engines with more sophisticated ones, with the pitch between the front and rear props increased by 300 mm. This resulted in noise reduction and propfan performance improvement. In addition, a modified engine FADEC and propfan control system was introduced as well as the TA-12-60 auxiliary power unit was ousted by the TA-18-200-70 one from the Aerosila scientific and production in Stupino (Moscow region), which features an expanded operating conditions bracket.
The avionics suite underwent heavy upgrade owing to its transition to advanced electronic componentry and the need of accomplishing new missions in line with the customer’s requirements specified more accurately. In the cockpit, TV-type CRT displays were replaced with six colour multifunction liquid-crystal displays. The ball of the electro-optical system designed for night landing on unpaved airfields and round-the-clock airdrop operations appeared under the nose section. Antonov news release stressed: “The mathematical models and algorithms embodied in the aircraft control system and aircraft components remained the same. This ensured the continuity with the earlier performed stages of the trials and guarantees the suitability of the results produced”.
The An-70 first flight after two-years upgrade programme took place in Kiev on 27 September 2012. Its preliminary test programme designed for 20 sorties was completed with success in December 2012, and the aircraft entered the final phase of its official trials, which provides for 75 test sorties, according to Antonov Designer General Dmitry Kiva.
The flying and ground crews involved in the programme had been trained at Antonov’s Training Centre, where an An-70 flight test stand was introduced. The stand is designed for testing aircraft systems, particularly, the fly-be-wire system, and checking their fail safety as well as for preparing pilots or various situation possible during the trials and for pilot training.
According to the official information released by Antonov, the An-70 had logged about 670 flights exceeding 710 flight hours by March 2013, including about 30 sorties totalling about 50 hours after the recent upgrade programme. In April, the aircraft was painted in a new dark-gray colour scheme meeting the current standard of the Russian Air Force.
The An-70 is planned for production by a pool of Russian and Ukrainian companies. The final assembly site for the An-70s intended for the Russian Air Force Military Transport Command expecting about 60 aircraft of the type has been changed repeatedly in recent years. Russian Premier Dmitry Medvedev voiced the latest decision in June 2012. A new production facility was to be built on Gorbunov KAPO’s premises in Kazan, with the fuselage panels supposed to be supplied by the Avistar-SP plant in Ulyanovsk and the wings and empennage by the Antonov plant in Kiev.
The D-27 engine co-production will be run by Motor Sich in Zaporozhye and Salut in Moscow, while Aerosila in Stupino will supply SV-27 propfans and TA-18-200-70 APUs. The first production An-70s were expected to be made in Kazan in 2015–16, with the plant possibly manufacturing up to 12 aircraft a year by the end of the decade.
However, the reshuffle of the leaders of the Russian Defence Ministry, which took place in November 2012, may cause a revision of the plans. At the late-December conference chaired by the new Russian defence minister General of the Army Sergei Shoigu and dedicated to the acquisition of advanced aircraft for the RusAF Military Transport Command, it was said that a decision on the An-70 procurement could be put on the back burner until the completion of the aircraft’s test programme. The Russian Defence Ministry will bankroll the trials and completion of the first production-standard aircraft in Kiev, but abstain from allocating money for the launching of An-70 assembly in Kazan so far. A decision on series acquisition of An-70 aircraft and, hence, on their production in Russia is expected to be made later this year based on the outcome of the An-70’s official test programme and talks with Ukraine about the intellectual property matters pertaining to the programme.
By the way, on 21 December 2012, the fuselage of the first production-standard An-70 airlifter (c/n 01-04) was taken out of the stocks in a ceremony at the Antonov aircraft production plant in Kiev. The fuselage was then moved to the final assembly shop. It is the first of the two production-standard An-70s ordered by the Ukrainian Defence Ministry in 2004 and laid down by Antonov as far back as 2001. The other production An-70 c/n 01-05 is at the fuselage sections assembly stage. The set of wings to fit the two aircraft was ordered from TAPC in Uzbekistan. The first production-standard An-70 built in Kiev may be completed in 2014.
http://en.take-off.ru/news/107-june2012/759-an-70-waiting-for-decision-by-russian-defence-ministry
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do we know when russian air force will recieve the first aircrafts?
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As expected
Jabs: AN-70 does not need the Russian Federation, as Ukraine does not eliminate its shortcomings
Jabs: AN-70 does not need the Russian Federation, as Ukraine does not eliminate its shortcomings
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Viktor wrote:As expected
Jabs: AN-70 does not need the Russian Federation, as Ukraine does not eliminate its shortcomings
We all know its political.
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We all know its political.
Whether political or religious... they wont cooperate and so Russia can't buy/make.
Should be good news for Il-476, and a signal to Ilyusion to start developing new planes.
The MTA will replace the An-12, but I assume they have enough production capacity to make An-124s without the Ukraine... so Il-476s, MTA, and An-124 offer a range of sizes, though when the An-22 is fully retired it might be useful to revive the Il-106 program... especially with new engines.
Perhaps a standard new engine could be developed with two on a medium plane and four on a larger plane...
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Russia-Ukraine An-70 program under strain
MOSCOW, July 16. /ITAR-TASS/. Russian companies can soon entirely wind up participation in the Russian-Ukrainian manufacturing of the military transport aircraft An-70, a source in the military industrial complex told ITAR-TASS on Wednesday.
“Amid the present Ukraine crisis, An-70 project has no future at all,” the source said.
The Russian United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) has confirmed serious difficulties with the project.
“The Russian Ministry of Defense considered buying a consignment of An-70 but the contract has not been signed,” head of the military aviation directorate Vladimir Mikhailov told ITAR-TASS. “Now, as Ukraine is winding up military cooperation with Russia, we have serious problems with this project.”
Last year, Commander of the Russian air forces Viktor Bondarev said the ministry would make a decision on further use of An-70 after successful tests. In the event of a positive decision, the ministry would take into account production of the Russian aircraft Il-476, the general then said.
An-70 is the medium-haul cargo new generation aircraft planned to replace the outmoded and technically obsolete An-12. In 2012, Russia and Ukraine agreed a manufacturing cooperation plan and completed modernization of An-70 electronic equipment. The countries also considered joint manufacturing of the regional aircraft of An-148/An-158 family.
MOSCOW, July 16. /ITAR-TASS/. Russian companies can soon entirely wind up participation in the Russian-Ukrainian manufacturing of the military transport aircraft An-70, a source in the military industrial complex told ITAR-TASS on Wednesday.
“Amid the present Ukraine crisis, An-70 project has no future at all,” the source said.
The Russian United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) has confirmed serious difficulties with the project.
“The Russian Ministry of Defense considered buying a consignment of An-70 but the contract has not been signed,” head of the military aviation directorate Vladimir Mikhailov told ITAR-TASS. “Now, as Ukraine is winding up military cooperation with Russia, we have serious problems with this project.”
Last year, Commander of the Russian air forces Viktor Bondarev said the ministry would make a decision on further use of An-70 after successful tests. In the event of a positive decision, the ministry would take into account production of the Russian aircraft Il-476, the general then said.
An-70 is the medium-haul cargo new generation aircraft planned to replace the outmoded and technically obsolete An-12. In 2012, Russia and Ukraine agreed a manufacturing cooperation plan and completed modernization of An-70 electronic equipment. The countries also considered joint manufacturing of the regional aircraft of An-148/An-158 family.
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Not sure what will actually come of this, or even why inducting An-70s is a serious operational requirement of the Kiev junta...
Just another fantasy out of Kiev?
http://www.antonov.com/news/359
Just another fantasy out of Kiev?
http://www.antonov.com/news/359
AN−70 adopted by Armed Forces of Ukraine
On January 22, 2015, handing of the Order of Ministry of Defense of Ukraine about adoption of the AN−70 military STOL transport by Armed Forces of Ukraine took place at ANTONOV Company. In the enclosure to the order the AN−70 is noted as a transport aircraft of Armed Forces of Ukraine. It is intended for aerial delivery, air transportation of troops and tangible assets, provision of maneuvers and troop’s activity and decisions of special tasks.
Decision about adoption was taken basing on results of tests on the program of Joint State Tests of the AN−70. The act on those results was approved on June 11, 2014. As Mr. Pakholchenko, leading test pilot of State scientific test centre of Armed Forces of Ukraine, noted: “The AN−70 is easy to be piloted at all difficult flight areas, including short take−off and landing. Optimal ergonomic decisions, applied in the crew cockpit, allow teaching an average pilot flying rather easy. The aircraft forgives pilot lots of things, fixing some of his errors, and differs with high reliability. The AN−70 is the best aircraft I used to pilot!”
Mr. Kiva, President – General Designer of the ANTONOV Company, noted that before final stage of Joint State Tests were works on deep modernization of the AN−70 board equipment and power plant. As a result the AN−70 saved advantages over analogous aircraft, including A 400M European aircraft.
Adoption of the AN−70 allows starting up this aircraft serial production and developing its different modifications.
Press−service of the ANTONOV Company, January 23, 2015
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These people are living in their own illusions. Like a parallel world.
They should worry more about their front collapsing, not adopting a snazzy new transport aircraft. Actually transport aircraft are the very least of their worries even among just military procurement.
They should worry more about their front collapsing, not adopting a snazzy new transport aircraft. Actually transport aircraft are the very least of their worries even among just military procurement.
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Russian Defense Ministry has excluded the An-70 from the state armaments program
I wonder what is better to do with this thread, maybe transfer it to Ukraine section?
I wonder what is better to do with this thread, maybe transfer it to Ukraine section?
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definitely yes .... no more reason to stay here.
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The first commercial flight of the military transport aircraft An-70
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