Hazing in the Russian Army

victor7 wrote:Not Off Topic..........Go figure!

Well, here is an answer...........


Position of Authority........implementation of rule
Denial of Authority......persistence of denial......persistence......persistence
Threatening external factor plays in
Backing off

Reverse hazing in a sense. Many Russian conscripts arrive and do not like to follow rules. Then seniors have to push to implement them and this at times goes too far and takes form of abuse, injuring assaults, mental and physical trauma, exploitation etc. etc. If the higher authorities take interest and SEVERELY punish the offenders then soon examples and stories will spread around and there will be good rule following by both the sides...............WITH ONE STROKE OF THE PEN!!!!!!!!

victor7 wrote:No Russian army for me either, thank goodness, waste of time any ways........mostly.

Contract based army is what is needed. Things working in that direction it seems.......finally!

Dedovshchina (Russian: дедовщи́на; IPA: [dʲɪdɐˈfɕːinə]; lit. grandfatherism) is the name given to the informal system of subjection of new junior conscripts, formerly to the Soviet Armed Forces and today to the Russian armed forces, Internal Troops, and (to a much lesser extent) FSB border guards, as well as the military forces of certain former Soviet Republics, to brutalization by the conscripts serving their last year of compulsory military service as well as NCOs and officers. Dedovshchina is the Soviet and Russian variety of the US, Canadian, etc. hazing tradition (or the Nonnismo in the Italian Army before its transformation in a volunteer army) involving harsh, unofficial initiation of a person into a military organization.
Dedovshchina involves a spectrum of subordinating or humiliating activities performed by the junior ranks: from carrying out chores of the senior ranks to violent and sometimes lethal physical and psychological abuse, being not unlike an extremely vicious form of bullying or even torture. It is often cited as a major source of poor morale in the ranks.
Often with the justification of maintaining authority, physical violence or psychological abuse can be applied to make "youth" to do certain fatigue duties. In many situations, hazing is in fact not the goal. Conscripts with "seniority" exploit their juniors to provide themselves with a more comfortable existence, and the violent aspects arise when juniors refuse to "follow traditions". There have been occasions where soldiers have been seriously injured. In extraordinary situations, there is a lethal outcome.
he origin of this problem is often attributed to the change in conscription term brought about by the law of October 12, 1967, causing two different groups of conscripts to be simultaneously present in the army: those who were drafted for 3-year service and those only for 2-year service.During the same year, a decision was reached to draft conscripts with a criminal history into the ranks, due to a demographic crisis following World War II. While oppression by older conscripts has probably always taken place in the army, after that date, with the introduction of the four-class system[clarification needed] it became systematic and developed its own rules and ranks.
Many young men are killed or commit suicide every year because of dedovshchina. The New York Times reported that in 2006 at least 292 Russian soldiers were killed by dedovshchina (although the Russian military only admits that 16 soldiers were directly murdered by acts of dedovshchina and claims that the rest committed suicide). The Times states: "On Aug. 4, it was announced by the chief military prosecutor that there had been 3,500 reports of abuse already this year (2006), compared with 2,798 in 2005". The BBC meanwhile reports that in 2007, 341 soldiers committed suicide, a 15% reduction on the previous year.
Union of the Committees of Soldiers' Mothers of Russia works to protect the rights of young soldiers.
In 2012, a draftee from Chelyabinsk region, Ruslan Aiderkhanov, was raped and tortured to death by his seniors. The lone witness who testified against the alleged perpetrators, Danil Chalkin, was later found shot dead in his military base. A contract soldier, Alikbek Musabekov was later arrested in this incident.

I've come upon this clip on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYfreaxSDZw

Asf wrote:

I've come upon this clip on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYfreaxSDZw

This video is as old as a dinosaur dung.

First thing, dedovshina isn't what is shown in a video. It's some kind of a brutal hazing and a reason to fire officers and send soldiers to disciplinary battalions. Dedovshina was a simple way for some offcers to install a discipline without much of an efford (as deds did much job for themselves). It growed high after the fall of the Union, as discipline among officers was low due to low payments, training fundings was low, ect.

Actually such things could happen if many testosterone-filled aggressive men is locked up in an enclosed space with no actual work to be done, that why there are legends about stupid hard manual work in the Army.
I was in the Army in the mid 2008, it was hear Pskov, VDV contract soldiers from a near unit was kept in barracks all the time and they were going crazy. They infiltrated our unit's camp one night, conflicted our starshina and put one of our demonstration tents on fire, next time hi-jacked one of thier BTR-Ds and drived it to a town for booze. After that the 080808 war begun, and they were redeployed to the Caucasus. I think it was the reason why they were kept on high alert for that long, military intelligence didn't know the exact time of the georgian intervention

so if I want an old BRDM-2 to trash round in

So would foreigners in the Russian Military be subjected to Dedovschina?

Regular wrote:Dedovschna in my unit was less severe then freshman day in uni. Hanging from two story bed, staying on legs of taburetka, matchsticks being lit between toes when asleep. Beats you being covered in eggs and flour in unit:D

sepheronx wrote:Where the heck is Flaming Python?  He is wasting his time with the idiots at MP.net

He would know, since he served in the Russian military.

TR1 wrote:

Asf wrote:

I've come upon this clip on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYfreaxSDZw

This video is as old as a dinosaur dung.

First thing, dedovshina isn't what is shown in a video. It's some kind of a brutal hazing and a reason to fire officers and send soldiers to disciplinary battalions. Dedovshina was a simple way for some offcers to install a discipline without much of an efford (as deds did much job for themselves). It growed high after the fall of the Union, as discipline among officers was low due to low payments, training fundings was low, ect.

Actually such things could happen if many testosterone-filled aggressive men is locked up in an enclosed space with no actual work to be done, that why there are legends about stupid hard manual work in the Army.
I was in the Army in the mid 2008, it was hear Pskov, VDV contract soldiers from a near unit was kept in barracks all the time and they were going crazy. They infiltrated our unit's camp one night, conflicted our starshina and put one of our demonstration tents on fire, next time hi-jacked one of thier BTR-Ds and drived it to a town for booze. After that the 080808 war begun, and they were redeployed to the Caucasus. I think it was the reason why they were kept on high alert for that long, military intelligence didn't know the exact time of the georgian intervention

Jesus. Jacking BTR-Ds should be ground for serious disciplinary action.

Mamut wrote:

Regular wrote:Dedovschna in my unit was less severe then freshman day in uni. Hanging from two story bed, staying on legs of taburetka, matchsticks being lit between toes when asleep. Beats you being covered in eggs and flour in unit:D

I would really want to serve in the Russian Armed Forces, but, me being a Bosnian (?), being a Muslim... makes me paranoid and afraid in a sense...

flamming_python wrote:

Mamut wrote:

Regular wrote:Dedovschna in my unit was less severe then freshman day in uni. Hanging from two story bed, staying on legs of taburetka, matchsticks being lit between toes when asleep. Beats you being covered in eggs and flour in unit:D

I would really want to serve in the Russian Armed Forces, but, me being a Bosnian (?), being a Muslim... makes me paranoid and afraid in a sense...

The only thing you have to be paranoid about in that sense is the pork on the dinner menu.

Mamut wrote:

Regular wrote:Dedovschna in my unit was less severe then freshman day in uni. Hanging from two story bed, staying on legs of taburetka, matchsticks being lit between toes when asleep. Beats you being covered in eggs and flour in unit:D

I would really want to serve in the Russian Armed Forces, but, me being a Bosnian (?), being a Muslim... makes me paranoid and afraid in a sense...