A400M Atlas: News

http://www.opex360.com/2017/07/13/la-france-et-lallemagne-vont-developper-un-avion-de-combat-commun/

France and Germany to build futur fighter togather. Bad news when we see what happened to the A-400M ...

Isos wrote:

France and Germany to build futur fighter togather. Bad news when we see what happened to the A-400M ...

If the A400M which is being mass produced and inducted into AFs all over the world what does that make the An-70 with $5 billion wasted? Airbus sucked up most of the cost overruns so the Euro governments are not that bad off. PAK FA is underfunded because India will not pay out without full ToT disclosures. To engage in 5th gen fighter programmes costs too much for single budgets.

Vladimir79 wrote:

Isos wrote:

France and Germany to build futur fighter togather. Bad news when we see what happened to the A-400M ...

If the A400M which is being mass produced and inducted into AFs all over the world what does that make the An-70 with $5 billion wasted?  Airbus sucked up most of the cost overruns so the Euro governments are not that bad off.  PAK FA is underfunded because India will not pay out without full ToT disclosures.  To engage in 5th gen fighter programmes costs too much for single budgets.  

India has nothing to do with PAK FA.  This is a factual misconception.  You mean FGFA.  PAK FA was not an option for India other than "if you want it, you buy it on our terms".  Something India didn't initially want to do, but are doing now.

On Contrary, PAK FA is well funded hence why they have been churning out some decent numbers for testing purposes and have already come near completion.

This is more like the Eurofighter Typhoon, which ended up as a semi decent but heavily expensive jet.

Vladimir79 wrote:

Isos wrote:

France and Germany to build futur fighter togather. Bad news when we see what happened to the A-400M ...

If the A400M which is being mass produced and inducted into AFs all over the world what does that make the An-70 with $5 billion wasted?  Airbus sucked up most of the cost overruns so the Euro governments are not that bad off.  PAK FA is underfunded because India will not pay out without full ToT disclosures.  To engage in 5th gen fighter programmes costs too much for single budgets.  

Chek the news. Germany wants money back and even wants to buy US cargo planes. Not a reliable plane till today.

The An-70 is the same as the A-400M (actually european copied it) if not better and 3 times cheaper. The fact that many countries are buying A-400M is like why so much are buying stupid F-35 that isn't even finish is because of political pressure, nothing to do with technology.

Moreover it's more Ukrainian than Russian. Russian investment in it will be again invested in their own planes.

Funny how Egypt choosed Mig-35 and Rafale instead of just F-16. They knew US would hold them by their balls if they are dependent just on them. Idem for all other Arab countries that are opening their eyes and seing that US hold them exactly this way. And Japan too. Buyers are slowly trying to stop this "political influence" and Russia will have more to sell if they do things correctly.

Isos wrote:
Chek the news. Germany wants money back and even wants to buy US cargo planes. Not a reliable plane till today.

The An-70 is the same as the A-400M (actually european copied it) if not better and 3 times cheaper. The fact that many countries are buying A-400M is like why so much are buying stupid F-35 that isn't even finish is because of political pressure, nothing to do with technology.

Moreover it's more Ukrainian than Russian. Russian investment in it will be again invested in their own planes.

Funny how Egypt choosed Mig-35 and Rafale instead of just F-16. They knew US would hold them by their balls if they are dependent just on them. Idem for all other Arab countries that are opening their eyes and seing that US hold them exactly this way. And Japan too. Buyers are slowly trying to stop this "political influence" and Russia will have more to sell if they do things correctly.

The French have said they have no problem with the use of their A400Ms. Germany has withheld payment and not received contracted maintenance schedules so as usual their aircraft are down, just like their Eurofighters were a few years ago. That is the price of being cheap.

The An-70 started development during the Soviet and had several payments made from our side. We are out billions without this transporter.

Egypt is getting MiG-29M2, not MiG-35. They chose France as their premiere defence supplier because they do not have to meet humanitarian concerns using the equipment.

miketheterrible wrote:

India has nothing to do with PAK FA.  This is a factual misconception.  You mean FGFA.  PAK FA was not an option for India other than "if you want it, you buy it on our terms".  Something India didn't initially want to do, but are doing now.

On Contrary, PAK FA is well funded hence why they have been churning out some decent numbers for testing purposes and have already come near completion.

This is more like the Eurofighter Typhoon, which ended up as a semi decent but heavily expensive jet.

PAK FA has never been well funded which is why we seek India to complete it as a joint project. We do not have the budget to build 5th generation by ourselves. The project is nowhere near to completion. The next gen engines are nowhere on the horizon, the radar is not performing to specs and the gaps of the production skin is not tight enough to be considered of the 5th generation. We require billions of investment in engines, radar and stealth tolerances that are not met.

Turkey received the 5th A400M Atlas.
https://twitter.com/SavunmaSanayii/status/885527891102113793

Tsavo Lion wrote:A French A400M airdropped 40 tonnes of supplies to troops in the Sahel

Some footage of the event...

This plane would make a better SAR aircraft, UAV carrier, firefighter & tanker than the C-130J as well, if/after all its problems r fixed.

Some companies want to solve problems and get things working well, and others use all their energies to hide problems and change tests so problems are not so obvious... the A400M programme has been going on as long as the An-70 programme, but without the economic collapse and problems between Moscow and Kiev... by now they should have everything fixed... the fact that they don't makes it seem selling it to customers is a higher priority than getting it right.

Indonesia orders two Airbus A400M military transport aircraft

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4431542.html