Russia's plans on Military Spaceplane

Official: Russian military undecided about whether to match latest US spaceplane

By Vladimir Isachenkov


MOSCOW — The Russian military closely monitored last year's flight of a new U.S. spaceplane but hasn't decided whether it needs a similar craft, a top general said Thursday.
Russia's Space Forces chief, Lt. Gen. Oleg Ostapenko, was quoted by Russian news agencies as saying that the military knows all about the orbital manoeuvrs of the U.S. X-37B unmanned spaceplane during its maiden flight of more than seven months.
The U.S. Air Force said the primary purpose of the flight, which ended in December, was to test the craft itself, but classified its actual activities in orbit, leading to speculation about whether it carried some type of spying system.
Ostapenko said Russia has conducted preliminary work on a similar design but that no decision has been made on whether it needs such a craft. "Time will show whether we shall imitate that project, but everyone must remember that there always is a counteraction to any action," he said.
Military analysts have been skeptical about Russia's ability to mount a response to the new U.S. robotic spacecraft.
Russia's ability to match the latest Western weapons designs has been weakened because its defence industries were hurt by the post-Soviet industrial meltdown and lack of modern technologies. But Ostapenko said efforts are under way to develop a missile defence system.
"Works are in progress to build prototypes and test some parts, systems and components," Ostapenko said, adding that the military has been testing prospective missile defence weapons at a Soviet-era testing range that Russia leases from Kazakhstan. He gave no specifics.
Ostapenko's comment followed Defence Minister Anatoly Serdyukov as saying Wednesday that Russia is working to develop its own missile defence system.
Russia has a Soviet-designed system of interceptor missiles to protect Moscow from ballistic missiles, but analysts say that the shield is outdated and has limited efficiency.
The Kremlin has criticized U.S. plans for space-based weapons, saying they could trigger a new arms race. Moscow also has voiced concern about the prospective U.S. missile shield, fearing it could erode its nuclear deterrent.
NATO has approved a plan for a U.S.-led missile defence in Europe last fall and invited Russia to join. Russia's President Dmitry Medvedev was receptive of NATO's proposal but didn't make a definitive commitment.
Medvedev has warned that the failure to reach agreement on a joint European missile shield with Russia may force it to deploy new offensive weapons and trigger a new arms race.

The Polyus really was the predecessor of the X-37b. A military space tool. Russian President forbid it's laser from being used in space to prevent a Military Space Build Up. After it's guidance malfunctioned and burnt up in reentry the project was abandoned. Russia didn't want to militarize space.

Then America goes and launches the X-37b. Looks like Russia should have fixed Polyus's guidance software and put in space long ago eh?

The militarization of space has begun.

never new the Buran space shuttle was being build as a military weapon and that it was so advanced
the things it could do..in space..  



anyone knows if Russia have plans to design another space shuttle?

we must also note that Buran was unmanned

SO is there any hope for Russia to revive their space shuttle program?
that was the coolest thing imo that Russia ever made. And it could even launch mini projectiles
armed with nukes from its belly .. That was indeed like science fiction but made it real.

my top wish will be...

1)Russia to revive space shuttle but far more ambitious.. with the capability to lift 300 tons of cargo to space..
and the ability to go to the moon orbit and deploy a base there.

2)that could be used for space tourism.

3)a new giant space station in space that could be used to build Giant space rockets to mars.. or mini cities in space.

Nice  


EKO: Russia is developing a response to the US space plane bomber

Russia is developing a response to the American system of the X-37, said on Saturday, deputy commander of the East Kazakhstan region on defense, Major General Kirill Makarov.

Viktor wrote:Nice  


EKO: Russia is developing a response to the US space plane bomber

Russia is developing a response to the American system of the X-37, said on Saturday, deputy commander of the East Kazakhstan region on defense, Major General Kirill Makarov.

I wish Russia didn't was so reactionary and developing things only to counter it when Americans
Do it.. or testing it.  The X-37 could easily be used to launch nuclear attacks from space and will not follow a ballistic trajectory , but instead a near straight line.  from Top to down. it could also be used to shutdown satellites or sabotage them.. like putting into orbit 100kg of tnt , near every enemy satellite , like a road side bomb but in space. and could be detonated by control remote.. lets say destroy 10-20 satellites without warning at the same time.. Any nation that lose its satellites will have no way to do precision nuclear attacks or conventional ones at long range.


The future is on space , militarization of it.. is the only way ,to keep Americans on its place..
It will break treaties for sure . but they do it too.. they are militarizing Russian borders.

"The United Nations General Assembly has approved a Russian-led resolution calling for nations to refrain from being the first to deploy weapons into outer space, in spite of U.S. resistance and European silence on the proposed measure, the Foreign Ministry said in a statement. The resolution was first drafted by Russia in 2014, but was rejected by the United States and other nations last year, and then again this year, when the draft resolution was considered by a GA committee focusing on issues of arms control.

On Tuesday, 129 nations represented in the General Assembly voted to adopt the measure, which was co-sponsored by 40 nations — including China and Syria — and is known as the “no first placement” initiative. “It is noteworthy that the only government objecting to the substance of our initiative is the United States, which for many years has stood in almost complete isolation trying to block successive efforts of the international community to prevent an arms race in outer space,” the Foreign Ministry said. The initiative calls on nations to refrain from being the first to place military weapons in outer space, thereby preventing a new and potentially devastating arms race between the world's leading space-faring nations — Russia, China and the United States, who are all working on space weapons.

Europe, which has an effective multi-national space program of its own, has consistently abstained from ruling on the Russian proposal. The United States maintains that Russia's resolution does not adequately define space weapons, and ignores an entire class of ground-launched space arms — such as anti-satellite missiles tested by China. The resolution is nonbinding, but calls for negotiations held at the Conference on Disarmament in Geneva to put forth a legally binding international treaty preventing weapons from being deployed in space, and calls on all states to adopt national commitments to the resolution."

Source: http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/un-backs-russian-proposal-ban-weapons-space-us-stands-opposed/ri11745

If this will give Russia a stronger MAD capability by deploying nukes in space as well, then maybe go ahead with it. Imagine Russia parking dozens of megaton warheads above Pindostani heads

USSR loved lasers in the last decades of its life, so they did a lot of experiments with it. Laser tank projects were a common thing that day - famous Szhatiye or Sangvin -they generated a lot of data, etc.

For example, initially in response to Shuttle USSR scientists wanted to launch not Buran, but Spiral. Politicians were too afraid of that project and closed it prior to Buran.

Allow me to illustrate the idea:






The most interesting thing that project's idea included a manoeuvrable space fights! It was a fighter too! USSR seriously thought about a space Star Wars like wars and kept testing technologies for this project.

That was like golden age of USSR military science. When System already emerged, from the school till the Design Bureau. Soviets were not afraid of difficult task - for example Spiral project required a hypersonic carrier plane - "well, ok, let us design one, oh, i have an idea!", something like that.
And there were a lot of project with very brave ideas. For example USSR wanted to crush Tomcat once and for all and designed a ballistic-takeoff heavy carrier based fighter.

The philosophical idea behind it was "You can not win the race if you concentrate on pursuing. You have to use shortcuts and concentrated on surpassing". This is why USSR extensively researched sometimes too brave concepts - search for a shortcut.

i do not know where to attach this info pls advise or just move to respective thread. Thx

BTW in hypersonic thread there is info about Russian railgun with projectile speed higher then Escape Velocity...


Russia is working on a bomber to perform tasks in space
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MOSCOW, July 13 — RIA Novosti. Russia is developing a hypersonic bomber able to strike from the air space and outer space, told RIA Novosti the Professor of branch of Military Academy of the strategic Missile forces (RVSN) Colonel Alexey Solodovnikov.

Earlier, the commander of the strategic missile forces, Colonel-General Sergei Karakayev announced that the Serpukhov branch of the Military Academy RVSN named after Peter the Great developed and tested the engine for advanced aerospace aircraft. The unit is scheduled to present at the international military-technical forum "Army-2016".
"The idea is this: with conventional airfields, it will take off to patrol the airspace. Command — space to accomplish strike missions, and returned back to their base. This is a strategic aircraft", — said Solodovnikov.
He added that the new machine will have a broad experience and be able for one to two hours to reach any point of the planet through space.
"We attract TSAGI (Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute), because they will have to help with the glider, now we will determine the characteristics of the aircraft. I think that the starting weight will be 20-25 tons, so it was a shock. It is planned that there will be a hypersonic missile mode", — said Solodovnikov.
The prototype turbofan engine, which can operate in atmosphere and space to switch to flight mode, will be created by 2020.

РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160713/1465167464.html#ixzz4EIWAqCGN


So not Ajax but something closer to Klipper? or 20-25 tonnes of payload then we have something Ajax like.




Prototype engine for space bomber will be created by 2020

MOSCOW, July 13 -. RIA Novosti An experienced motor model for the Russian aerospace bomber will be created in 2020, told RIA Novosti on Wednesday, a teacher, a branch of the Military Academy of the Strategic Missile Forces (RVSN) Colonel Alexei Solodovnikov, who developed the engine for future aircraft.


Earlier, the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces, Colonel-General Sergei Karakayev said that in the Serpukhov branch of the Military Academy of the Strategic Missile Forces named after Peter the Great was developed and tested the engine for future aerospace plane. This engine is scheduled to be presented at the international military-technical forum "Army 2016".

"Now we want to first discuss the nuances about a year we work will take place, and we will make a scheme, perhaps it will be completely different. When it is determined with the scheme will make the engine itself. In the second year, that is, in 2018, we will begin to do has iron Maybe I'm in a hurry, and there will be some questions, but by 2020 "piece of iron" should be working "-. Solodovnikov said.

According to him, cooperation of companies that will participate in the project will be determined in the course of scientific and technical council, which will be held in late

"The idea is such that the engine turns Turbofan, which means it can work in both the atmosphere and the switch in a space flight mode without air, and all on one machine. At the moment, these engines is not in Russia, in a power plant are combined two motors at once - the aircraft and the rocket one, "- said the developer.

http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160713/1465183760.html

So finally time give me the reason...

Hi Garry  

New Russian Hypersonic Bomber to Be Able to Launch Nuclear Attacks From Outer Space

http://sputniknews.com/military/20160713/1042888473/russia-space-bomber-engine.html




This is probably the important offensive weapon ever in the history of Russia.
Expensive it can be , but nothing is more expensive ,that be blocked from Space in a war.
and that NATO get full spectrum Space dominance .yes NATO can do that. and this is exactly
what the Pentagon is saying they want to achieve. Full spectrum dominance of space and
deny space entry to anyone it wants.  

A mesosphere high altitude bomber is the most critical and killer feature.




Because just like Iskander missiles it will allow to have a better chance to bypass any NATO airdefenses. Since Aegis defenses , using patriots defenses only reach until ~30km altitude or a bit more. and using the standars missiles , it only operates in zero gravity space.. ~80km++ altitude or more.  and THHAD and Israeli Arrow 3 defenses operate  only operate So NATO have a major black hole in their defense between 35km to 80km altitude .

And even if they develop a missile that can intercept and those altitudes. Arrow2-3? they can still be defeated with counter electronics ,jamming,decoy , emp explosives, and planes that can change its course..  

So we end with a bomber that no plane in the world today in service, can intercept ,neither peacefully ,like usually NATO intercept Russian planes , escorting them ,neither shut it down.
and also a Plane that NATO ,neither Israel can effectively shut down using Its super heavy weight missiles.  

So this new bomber , produced in meaningful numbers.. ~20 to ~50.
Should be able to fly with impunity over the white house ,over london ,or Telaviv. with
ready to use hypersonic nuclear weapons.. and send a message to the hostile nations seeking
a fight with Russia.  This will be a reverse of the times when American airforce used to fly over
Soviet Union and take photos over Russia military bases.  

This new Bomber should be able to shut down NATO satellites one after another another,using
cheap gun fire.. or strike any part of the world in 2 hours. Fly over any NATO aircraft carrier,
and wave with their hands while taking a nice video with a panoramic view of every American or NATO aircraft carriers and its formations. and strike if needed with a nuclear warhead hypersonic missiles their formations withing visual distance of the target of American warships formations .

Such a weapon ,such a bomber ,produced is decent numbers , will have full freedom of navigation over any air-space or space-in nearspace armed with nuclear weapons. They can also
be used to fly above any NATO army frequently and provide real time positions of their troops..
and help Iskanders or Russian Rocket forces and artillery to correct their targeting.

But also it can be use to deny entry of Space to any NASA or ESA or Israel rocket and deploy
any satellite and allow Russia to deploy mines near every American ,NATO satellite in space ,
and the moment NATO attack Russia.. Russia press a switch.. and BOOM.. shut down at once
ALL milltary satellites or civilians ones around the world that NATO could use to weight a war against Russia. Basically leaving NATO totally blind without any logistics or communications.

If Russia pull it off ,with this bomber ,it can definitively force Americans to the negotiation table
and retreat all its missiles and military bases from Europe.  

Because it will be too expensive trying to protect for NATO its assets in Space ,with a place well armed to defeat satellites and defeat missiles that targets it. And it should also be possible
to make it stealth to traditional Radars and missiles radio guidance ,through counter electronics.. by creating a magnetic or plasma shield around the plane ,combined with decoys.
It will require hundreds of very expensive missiles  to try and shutdown just one bomber.

So this is really a weapon Russia should invest ,no matter the cost. Because it will surpass anything Russia have.. Why a Hypersonic missile is not enough Garry?  Because missiles can be
defeated ,blinded ,jammed and fooled with decoys, over long distances. But a decoy cant fool a human eye ,and when you bomb a target from above with visual distance over it ,through the use of special lens.. then it will be very hard for NATO to defend against it.

Simply a Mesonsphere ,hypersonic bomber will allow Russia to achieve full spectrum space domination. Because it can also launch missiles to target anything above it or under it. it will allow Russia to protect is space launches from NATO sabotage attacks ,and the best thing of all.
it will significantly help Russia space program.. to develop better civilians use ,space planes that take off from an airport with cosmonauts and then arrive to the ISS.. This will also can be used
for heavy cargo to space and for Space tourism to earth orbit or moon orbit.

This bomber is so important.. it will allow Russia to very easily fly over the atlantic bypassing all
Aegis defenses and NATO navies if needed and enter in American airspace from the eastern coast over any zone it desires and deliver a strike over any part of United States and with no warning , without them knowing what happened , because the plane will evade traditional radars with counter electronics and magnetic fields.

The major flaw with depending only in hypersonic missiles to do the job is how vulnerable
they can be to counter electronics or decoys and that to launch an attack on US on the eastern coast where Americans have its most important economic zones and government buildings, Russia cannot do it ,until it is close..  ie.. revealing NATO of any possible threat from Russia to America many hours ahead of any potential attack.  So scared are Americans of its eastern coast flank ,that they have radars and air defenses in spain ,UK , Iceland and military bases in any western part of africa. so that Russia cannot use those territories ,create a military base there from where Russian navy can directly move to America.

This Hypersonic bombers will be even more effective than Submarines ,because they do not take weeks to travel from Russia to the atlantic but hours. and will not have to deal with other chasing subs or mines and NATO warships chasing them.  A mesosphere Airforce will always be superior than a navy. Warships will become easy targets ,but also any nation will have huge problems to counter them.  Effectively by Russia building Mesosphere Hypersonic bombers with
powerful counter electronics. it will save a LOT of Money to Russia ,since no longer will need a large navy .  1 bomber could have 3-4 crew ,  while a destroyer require hundreds of sailors and officers that will have to be paid. So it will cost much less ,to maintain 1 hypersonic meso -bomber than to maintain 1 destroyer/ cruiser.. and the Bomber can do almost anything a warship and do it much faster since will attack directly above enemy positions and can travel to any part of the world in 2 hours.

The uses of a Mesosphere Hypersonic bomber are INFINITE.
They can be used for peaceful uses too ,like monitoring in realtime with live videos how a nation breaks its cease of fire and bomb civilians. ie.. like Ukraine does. Or to spy on NATO exercises
with better view of every move .  Im really convinced that the best money investment Russia
can do is space ,space and more space. and for military use, hypersonic bombers. and that once
Russia build a decent number of them..20 to 50 , each one can be as destructive as a submarine but with superior precision and speed of deployment. it will safe money Russia by allowing it to cut in half its navy if not more and save a lot of money by reducing the service men it have to pay salaries and later when retire their military pensions.

Vann7 wrote:So finally time give me the reason...

Hi Garry  

New Russian Hypersonic Bomber to Be Able to Launch Nuclear Attacks From Outer Space

http://sputniknews.com/military/20160713/1042888473/russia-space-bomber-engine.html

but this is not PAK DA

What about hypersonic unmanned bomber ?

The story continues...


Russia is working on a bomber to perform tasks in space

http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160713/1465167464.html

MOSCOW, July 13 — RIA Novosti. Russia is developing a hypersonic bomber able to strike from the air space and outer space, told RIA Novosti the Professor of branch of Military Academy of the strategic Missile forces (RVSN) Colonel Alexey Solodovnikov.

Earlier, the commander of the strategic missile forces, Colonel-General Sergei Karakayev announced that the Serpukhov branch of the Military Academy RVSN named after Peter the Great developed and tested the engine for advanced aerospace aircraft. The unit is scheduled to present at the international military-technical forum "Army-2016".
"The idea is this: start from conventional airfields, it will take off to patrol the airspace. After receiving a command — flies into space to accomplish strike missions, and then returns back to their base. This is a strategic aircraft", — said Solodovnikov.
He added that the new machine will have a broad experience and be able for one to two hours to reach any point of the planet through space.
"We attract TSAGI (Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute), because they will have to help with the glider, now we will determine the characteristics of the aircraft. I think that the starting weight will be 20-25 tons, so it was a shock. It is planned that hypersonic speed will achieve in rocket  mode", — said Solodovnikov.
The prototype turbofan engine, which can operate in atmosphere and space to switch to flight mode, will be created by 2020.

РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160713/1465167464.html#ixzz4ENYefCf0



The question is 25tons is very little. Even in unmanned mode world reach with such mass? what is th epayload then? 1ton?
Then would it be something like militarized BOR-4/Spiral concept? Pls check wiki


https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Спираль_(авиационно-космическая_система)

Also "on the basis of the Bor-4 was designed maneuvering warheads space-based, whose main task was the bombing of America from space with minimal flight time to the target (5...7 minutes)". Lukashevich V. P., financial Director of JSC "international consortium Multipurpose aerospace system."[10][11][12]

higurashihougi wrote:What about hypersonic unmanned bomber ?

check pls new thread I have opened with todays update

GarryB wrote:The problem I have with hypersonic bombers is they are redundant... if you want a spy in the air... use a satellite... they are increasing their spy satellites from something like 6 to about 30 or something.

If you want to drop nuclear bombs then a hypersonic missile can do that too... a manouvering weapon bus without a crew can manouver harder than any manned air or space craft... I really don't understand the advantage of putting people on board...

In 10 years time Zircon will be available so the bomber that carries it wont need to get within 1,000km of the target... which is much better protection than simply flying fast.

It is cheaper and easier to use slower lower flying bombers for those roles where manned aircraft are more useful, but I really don't see the advantage of a hypersonic manned bomber.

What I can see is that if Russia introduces Hypersonic bombers that the US will adapt their world wide ABM systems to also deal with hypersonic bombers... and that will not be good for Russia.

Thhe reach is global and is to use regular airfields... check pls my thread with today´s update

Defense Ministry refutes reports about the development of a space bomber of the Russian Federation

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George1 wrote:Defense Ministry refutes reports about the development of a space bomber of the Russian Federation

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Might be true or might be that is a "controlled leak" for US similar to System 6 "tsunami torpedo" . When TV "accidentally" has shown drawings with parameters. X-37 is built with the same objective as currently mentioned bomber. Now they can take into calculations also this possibility of "guaranteed" response.


BTW Russia is working on engine for exo-atmospheric flights anyway (6gen fighter)