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The program of delivery to Saudi Arabia of 155-mm self-propelled howitzers M109A6 Paladin
The Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) on April 5, 2018 sent to the US Congress a notice on the possible sale to Saudi Arabia through the inter-governmental military sales of Foreign Military Sales (FMS) of 180 sets of 155-mm / 39 self-propelled howitzers M109A5 converted in the variant M109A6 Paladin. A total of 177 self-propelled howitzers M109A6 are supposed to be converted for Saudi Arabia. The sale is authorized by the US Department of State. The estimated cost of delivery is $ 1.31 billion.
According to the notice, three Fire Support Combined Arms Tactical Trainers (FSCATT), eight Advanced Field Artillery Tactical Data Systems (AFATDS), 180 M2NV machine guns of 12.7 mm caliber, and a support package, spare parts, ground equipment and training.
On the bmpd side, we point out that, as can be judged, we are talking about the implementation of the Saudi Arabia program for the FMS of self-propelled howitzers M109A6 Paladin, the details of which were first officially published in July 2017. According to it, production for the delivery of Saudi Arabia towers of a new production for self-propelled howitzers M109A6 was supposed. These towers will have to be installed on the chassis of the M109A6 automatic control system, which are released when the US Army upgrades to the M109A7 PIP variant (in the process of upgrading the M109A6 to the M109A7, the M109A6 towers are rearranged to a new chassis manufactured by BAE Systems).
The production of the SAU M109 in this way: for Saudi Arabia it was to be carried out in the Anniston Army Depot of the US Army (Anniston Army Depot, Ala.). The manufacturer of new towers was not formally defined, but in fact only BAE Systems Land & Armaments is the only one. In the release of the DSCA notice, the contractor for the supply of the M109A6 SAU to Saudi Arabia is also not defined.
At present, the army of Saudi Arabia from self-propelled artillery of 155 mm caliber is believed to have 110 American self-propelled howitzers M109A2 and A3, 48 M109A5, 78 French 155 GCTs (probably most of which are stored) and 54 Chinese PLZ45. Apparently, the purchase of Saudi Arabia SAU M109A6 is designed to replace howitzer 155 GCT, purchased in the late 1970's.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3150189.html
The Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) on April 5, 2018 sent to the US Congress a notice on the possible sale to Saudi Arabia through the inter-governmental military sales of Foreign Military Sales (FMS) of 180 sets of 155-mm / 39 self-propelled howitzers M109A5 converted in the variant M109A6 Paladin. A total of 177 self-propelled howitzers M109A6 are supposed to be converted for Saudi Arabia. The sale is authorized by the US Department of State. The estimated cost of delivery is $ 1.31 billion.
According to the notice, three Fire Support Combined Arms Tactical Trainers (FSCATT), eight Advanced Field Artillery Tactical Data Systems (AFATDS), 180 M2NV machine guns of 12.7 mm caliber, and a support package, spare parts, ground equipment and training.
On the bmpd side, we point out that, as can be judged, we are talking about the implementation of the Saudi Arabia program for the FMS of self-propelled howitzers M109A6 Paladin, the details of which were first officially published in July 2017. According to it, production for the delivery of Saudi Arabia towers of a new production for self-propelled howitzers M109A6 was supposed. These towers will have to be installed on the chassis of the M109A6 automatic control system, which are released when the US Army upgrades to the M109A7 PIP variant (in the process of upgrading the M109A6 to the M109A7, the M109A6 towers are rearranged to a new chassis manufactured by BAE Systems).
The production of the SAU M109 in this way: for Saudi Arabia it was to be carried out in the Anniston Army Depot of the US Army (Anniston Army Depot, Ala.). The manufacturer of new towers was not formally defined, but in fact only BAE Systems Land & Armaments is the only one. In the release of the DSCA notice, the contractor for the supply of the M109A6 SAU to Saudi Arabia is also not defined.
At present, the army of Saudi Arabia from self-propelled artillery of 155 mm caliber is believed to have 110 American self-propelled howitzers M109A2 and A3, 48 M109A5, 78 French 155 GCTs (probably most of which are stored) and 54 Chinese PLZ45. Apparently, the purchase of Saudi Arabia SAU M109A6 is designed to replace howitzer 155 GCT, purchased in the late 1970's.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3150189.html
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Saudi Arabia has signed an agreement on the acquisition of missile defense systems THAAD
As Reuters reported, citing a representative of the US State Department, on November 25, 2018, representatives of the governments of the United States and Saudi Arabia signed a final agreement (in the form of an exchange of letters Letters of Offer and Acceptance - LOA) valued at about $ 15 billion through the American program of intergovernmental military sales of Foreign Military Sales (FMS) missile defense systems THAAD (Terminal High Altitude Area Defense) manufactured by Lockheed Martin.
Under the agreement, Saudi Arabia will receive seven THAAD batteries, including 44 mobile launchers. At the end of September 2018, US President Donald Trump personally called the king of Saudi Arabia Salman ibn Abdul-Aziz Al Saud to expedite the signing of the agreement.
From the side of bmpd, we recall that negotiations on the acquisition of the American THAAD PRO system by Saudi Arabia have been conducted since 2016. A preliminary agreement on the purchase of THAAD complexes by Saudi Arabia was signed during the first official visit of Donald Trump to Riyadh on May 20, 2017 among the package of agreements and memorandums on bilateral military-technical cooperation totaling $ 109.7 billion. In the said preliminary agreement , reportedly, the figure was $ 13.5 billion for seven batteries of the THAAD missile system with an estimated delivery time in the years 2023-2026.
On October 6, 2017, the United States Department of Defense Defense Cooperation Agency (DSCA) sent to the US Congress an official notice of the upcoming sale of Saudi Arabia through the FMS of seven THAAD missile defense batteries with a total estimated cost of $ 15 billion. US State Department.
According to the notification, the delivery should include 44 mobile launchers of the THAAD system, 360 THAAD missiles, 16 command posts of the THAAD system, seven AN / TPY-2 radars, as well as various other relevant assets (including 43 trucks). The cost of delivery also includes technical support, training of personnel, construction of infrastructure, payment for activities in Saudi Arabia, the necessary number of representatives of American industry (111 people) and the US armed forces (18 people). Lockheed Martin and Raytheon will act as general supply contractors.
Saudi Arabia thus became the second de facto foreign customer of the THAAD complex after the United Arab Emirates, having acquired two THAAD batteries by the agreement of 2011 (the first of which was deployed to the United Arab Emirates in 2016).
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3433547.html
As Reuters reported, citing a representative of the US State Department, on November 25, 2018, representatives of the governments of the United States and Saudi Arabia signed a final agreement (in the form of an exchange of letters Letters of Offer and Acceptance - LOA) valued at about $ 15 billion through the American program of intergovernmental military sales of Foreign Military Sales (FMS) missile defense systems THAAD (Terminal High Altitude Area Defense) manufactured by Lockheed Martin.
Under the agreement, Saudi Arabia will receive seven THAAD batteries, including 44 mobile launchers. At the end of September 2018, US President Donald Trump personally called the king of Saudi Arabia Salman ibn Abdul-Aziz Al Saud to expedite the signing of the agreement.
From the side of bmpd, we recall that negotiations on the acquisition of the American THAAD PRO system by Saudi Arabia have been conducted since 2016. A preliminary agreement on the purchase of THAAD complexes by Saudi Arabia was signed during the first official visit of Donald Trump to Riyadh on May 20, 2017 among the package of agreements and memorandums on bilateral military-technical cooperation totaling $ 109.7 billion. In the said preliminary agreement , reportedly, the figure was $ 13.5 billion for seven batteries of the THAAD missile system with an estimated delivery time in the years 2023-2026.
On October 6, 2017, the United States Department of Defense Defense Cooperation Agency (DSCA) sent to the US Congress an official notice of the upcoming sale of Saudi Arabia through the FMS of seven THAAD missile defense batteries with a total estimated cost of $ 15 billion. US State Department.
According to the notification, the delivery should include 44 mobile launchers of the THAAD system, 360 THAAD missiles, 16 command posts of the THAAD system, seven AN / TPY-2 radars, as well as various other relevant assets (including 43 trucks). The cost of delivery also includes technical support, training of personnel, construction of infrastructure, payment for activities in Saudi Arabia, the necessary number of representatives of American industry (111 people) and the US armed forces (18 people). Lockheed Martin and Raytheon will act as general supply contractors.
Saudi Arabia thus became the second de facto foreign customer of the THAAD complex after the United Arab Emirates, having acquired two THAAD batteries by the agreement of 2011 (the first of which was deployed to the United Arab Emirates in 2016).
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3433547.html
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So will that make them even or can they now kill another Washington Post reporter?
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The construction of the first MMSC-type multipurpose warship for Saudi Arabia
October 29, 2019 at the shipyard of the American shipbuilding company Fincantieri Marinette Marine (controlled by the Italian group Fincantieri) in Marinette (Wisconsin), the first steel cutting ceremony was held for the MMSC (Multi-Mission Surface Combatant) head multi-purpose surface combat ship (corvette) called Saud for Navy of Saudi Arabia. MMSC is a multi-purpose ship based on the project of the American "littoral" LCS warships of the Freedom type (developed by Lockheed Martin Corporation), the serial construction of which is carried out by the Fincantieri Marinette Marine for the US Navy.
Recall that in October 2015, the US government approved the supply of Saudi Arabia through the program of intergovernmental foreign military sales (FMS) of four ships of the MMSC type, as well as related equipment, weapons, missile ammunition and services totaling up to $ 11.25 billion. Intergovernmental The agreement on the construction of four MMSC-type ships was finalized by the parties in 2017, their commissioning in the Saudi fleet is expected in 2025-2028. During 2018, Lockheed Martin received three U.S. Department of Defense FMS contracts for a total cost of $ 1.214 billion for the development of a technical project, design documentation and the start of construction of MMSC ships for Saudi Arabia. In addition to the lead ship Saud, the construction ceremony of which took place on October 29, 2019, the Fincantieri Marinette Marine is due to begin construction of two more ships in 2020, and one in 2021.
These four ships should be part of the Eastern Fleet of the Navy of Saudi Arabia, deployed in the Red Sea.
From American ships LCS type Freedom Saudi ships type MMSC differ more powerful design weapons. The MMSC-type ship should be equipped with two four-container launchers of the anti-ship missile system RGM-84 Harpoon Block II (according to the official American notice of 2015, all with the MMSC ships it was planned to sell 48 Saudi Arabia Boeing RGM-84 Harpoon Block II - 32 anti-ship missiles for installation on ships and 16 training); with eight universal vertical launchers of Mk 41, four Raytheon RIM-162 Evolved Sea Sparrow Missiles (ESSM) missiles - a total of 32 missiles per ship (a total of 532 ESSM missiles - 128 for installation on ships, 384 spare and 20 training), one 11-launcher launcher Mk 15 Mod 31 of the SeaRAM self-defense anti-aircraft missile system (a total of five PUs, including one spare) are expected, for which 188 Raytheon RIM-116C Block II Rolling Airframe Missiles are expected to be sold (RAM) (including 44 for installation on a ship and 132 spare and 12 training); one 56-mm automatic universal artillery mount BAE Systems Bofors Mk 3; two 20-mm remotely controlled artillery systems Nexter Narhwal, ten 12.7-mm machine guns and two 324-mm three-pipe torpedo tubes Mk 32 for anti-submarine torpedoes.
The MMSC-type electronic armament of the ship will include Lockheed Martin COMBATSS-21 ASBUs, Hensoldt TRS-4D general detection radar, Saab Ceros 200 combined fire control system, towed active passive HAS (Compact Low Frequency Active Passive Variable Depth Sonar - apparently, Thales СAPTAS series ), Argon ST / Boeing WR-2000 electronic intelligence and electronic warfare station, Lockheed Martin Automatic Launch of Expendables (ALEX) firing jamming system, AN / SLQ-25A Nixie anti-torpedo protection system, Rockwell Collins AN / ARC-210 communication system, transmission equipment Link 16, Automated Digital Network System (ADNS), and Combined Enterprise Regional Information Exchange Systems (CENTRIX) S), the Northrop Grumman UPX-29 State Identification System (Mode 4 and Mode 5), an interference-free receiver of the L-3 Communications Selective Availability Anti-Spoofing Module (SAASM) navigation system.
On the MMSC type ship, two multi-purpose Sikorsky (Lockheed Martin) MH-60R Seahawk helicopters are permanently based. Under a separate agreement in 2015, FMS worth $ 1.9 billion, Saudi Arabia received ten MH-60R ship helicopters in 2018-2019. Saudi MN-60R helicopters should be armed with AGM-114 Hellfire guided missiles; 70 mm BAE Systems APKWS II missiles and 324 m caliber Raytheon Mk 54 LHT torpedoes
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3828436.html
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Contracts for the supply of Saudi Arabia rockets SLAM-ER and Harpoon Block II
On May 13, 2020, the U.S. Department of Defense issued Boeing Corporation contracts for the production and supply of large quantities of SLAM-ER aircraft-based tactical cruise missiles and Harpoon Block II anti-ship missiles to the Saudi Arabia through the American program of intergovernmental foreign military sales Foreign Military Sales (FMS).
The contract for the production and delivery of SLAM-ER aviation tactical cruise missiles through the FMS of Saudi Arabia was issued to Boeing in the amount of $ 1.971754 billion and covers the redesign and production and delivery of 650 SLAM-ER missiles to this country. Work must be completed by December 2028.
At the same time, Boeing was awarded a contract for the production and delivery of $ 656.981 million worth of Harpoon Block II aircraft anti-ship missiles through the FMS line, which envisages the production of 467 91-series Harpoon Block II missiles (Lot 91 Block II). Of these missiles, 402 are intended for delivery through the FMS line of Saudi Arabia, 53 to Qatar, eight to Thailand and four to Brazil. Work must be completed by December 2026.
Thus, contracts have been issued for the supply of Saudi Arabia SLAM-ER aviation tactical cruise missiles and Harpoon Block II anti-ship missiles designed to equip Boeing F-15SA fighters received by Saudi Arabia in accordance with plans announced back in 2013. Recall that back in October 2013, the US Department of Defense Agency for Military Cooperation (DSCA) sent a notice to the US Congress about its intention to supply Saudi Arabia through FMS large batches of modern aviation weapons to equip F-15SA fighters for a total of 6 , $ 8 billion. The list of weapons planned for delivery included 650 AGM-84H SLAM-ER cruise missiles (as well as 40 CATM-84H CATM missiles, 20 ATM-84H SLAM-ER telemetry missiles and four prototype training missiles ), 60 hanging containers s targeting AN / AWW-13 for use missiles AGM-84H SLAM-ER, and 400 anti-aircraft missiles AGM-84L Harpoon Block II (as well as the 40 training missile Harpoon CATM 20 and ATM-84L Harpoon Exercise Missiles missile telemetry).
However, in fact, contracts for the supply of Saudi Arabia rockets SLAM-ER and Harpoon Block II were concluded only now. It should be noted that Boeing stopped mass production of SLAM-ER missiles at its St. Louis facility in 2009. In April 2018, the US Department of Defense issued a $ 64.1 million contract to Boeing to resume mass production of SLAM-ER for shipments to Saudi Arabia. In April and September 2019, Boeing received new contracts from the U.S. Navy in the amount of $ 30.1 and 11.4 million, respectively, for the preparation of the resumption of production of SLAM-ER missiles for deliveries to Saudi Arabia. In October 2019, Boeing began construction of a new enterprise for the production of SLAM-ER and Harpoon Block II missiles, the commissioning of which was expected in 2021.
The AGM-84H / K SLAM-ER (Standoff Land Attack Missile-Expanded Response) cruise missile was developed based on the Harpoon anti-ship missile for the U.S. Navy, which was supplied from 2000 to 2008. Also, SLAM-ER missiles were delivered to South Korea and Turkey. The firing range of the SLAM-ER rocket is 270 km. Currently, from the point of view of the American armed forces, the SLAM-ER missile is already largely obsolete, and its sale to Saudi Arabia is caused by the US unwillingness to supply more modern American missiles of the same purpose with the AGM-158 JASSM series to this country.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4024366.html
On May 13, 2020, the U.S. Department of Defense issued Boeing Corporation contracts for the production and supply of large quantities of SLAM-ER aircraft-based tactical cruise missiles and Harpoon Block II anti-ship missiles to the Saudi Arabia through the American program of intergovernmental foreign military sales Foreign Military Sales (FMS).
The contract for the production and delivery of SLAM-ER aviation tactical cruise missiles through the FMS of Saudi Arabia was issued to Boeing in the amount of $ 1.971754 billion and covers the redesign and production and delivery of 650 SLAM-ER missiles to this country. Work must be completed by December 2028.
At the same time, Boeing was awarded a contract for the production and delivery of $ 656.981 million worth of Harpoon Block II aircraft anti-ship missiles through the FMS line, which envisages the production of 467 91-series Harpoon Block II missiles (Lot 91 Block II). Of these missiles, 402 are intended for delivery through the FMS line of Saudi Arabia, 53 to Qatar, eight to Thailand and four to Brazil. Work must be completed by December 2026.
Thus, contracts have been issued for the supply of Saudi Arabia SLAM-ER aviation tactical cruise missiles and Harpoon Block II anti-ship missiles designed to equip Boeing F-15SA fighters received by Saudi Arabia in accordance with plans announced back in 2013. Recall that back in October 2013, the US Department of Defense Agency for Military Cooperation (DSCA) sent a notice to the US Congress about its intention to supply Saudi Arabia through FMS large batches of modern aviation weapons to equip F-15SA fighters for a total of 6 , $ 8 billion. The list of weapons planned for delivery included 650 AGM-84H SLAM-ER cruise missiles (as well as 40 CATM-84H CATM missiles, 20 ATM-84H SLAM-ER telemetry missiles and four prototype training missiles ), 60 hanging containers s targeting AN / AWW-13 for use missiles AGM-84H SLAM-ER, and 400 anti-aircraft missiles AGM-84L Harpoon Block II (as well as the 40 training missile Harpoon CATM 20 and ATM-84L Harpoon Exercise Missiles missile telemetry).
However, in fact, contracts for the supply of Saudi Arabia rockets SLAM-ER and Harpoon Block II were concluded only now. It should be noted that Boeing stopped mass production of SLAM-ER missiles at its St. Louis facility in 2009. In April 2018, the US Department of Defense issued a $ 64.1 million contract to Boeing to resume mass production of SLAM-ER for shipments to Saudi Arabia. In April and September 2019, Boeing received new contracts from the U.S. Navy in the amount of $ 30.1 and 11.4 million, respectively, for the preparation of the resumption of production of SLAM-ER missiles for deliveries to Saudi Arabia. In October 2019, Boeing began construction of a new enterprise for the production of SLAM-ER and Harpoon Block II missiles, the commissioning of which was expected in 2021.
The AGM-84H / K SLAM-ER (Standoff Land Attack Missile-Expanded Response) cruise missile was developed based on the Harpoon anti-ship missile for the U.S. Navy, which was supplied from 2000 to 2008. Also, SLAM-ER missiles were delivered to South Korea and Turkey. The firing range of the SLAM-ER rocket is 270 km. Currently, from the point of view of the American armed forces, the SLAM-ER missile is already largely obsolete, and its sale to Saudi Arabia is caused by the US unwillingness to supply more modern American missiles of the same purpose with the AGM-158 JASSM series to this country.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4024366.html
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Saudis are idiots .
With all that wealth they still need the yankees troops to be deployed there .
Just have the courage and get some S-400 and stop being a US dumb follower .
With all that wealth they still need the yankees troops to be deployed there .
Just have the courage and get some S-400 and stop being a US dumb follower .
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The west created the Saudis, and the west keeps them in power...
Without US support there would likely be coup after coup after coup there and the place would probably split up into about 100 separate oilfields... sorry regions...
The Saudis are idiots but you can no more blame them for doing what the US tells them as you can blame a dog for the person that pulls his lead...
Without US support there would likely be coup after coup after coup there and the place would probably split up into about 100 separate oilfields... sorry regions...
The Saudis are idiots but you can no more blame them for doing what the US tells them as you can blame a dog for the person that pulls his lead...
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GarryB wrote:The west created the Saudis, and the west keeps them in power...
Without US support there would likely be coup after coup after coup there and the place would probably split up into about 100 separate oilfields... sorry regions...
The Saudis are idiots but you can no more blame them for doing what the US tells them as you can blame a dog for the person that pulls his lead...
This family is completely control the army and police and there is no any other political powers to take the rule from them ,so internally they are safe .
US could put some pressure over the family but it is not going to lose them if they get some deals from Russia .
US is abusing Saudis and using Iran as a danger but Iran is not that powerful country that can occupy the Gulf countries . Saudis should go and keep good relations with Iran and stop being used as cash pump for the US .
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This family is completely control the army and police and there is no any other political powers to take the rule from them ,so internally they are safe .
True but the family is enormous so it would not be hard to find a sympathetic ear that could be made eligible to the throne.... I think Blackadder said it best when he offered to take someone he didn't like up to the roof to have a look at the cannons... have a look down the barrel and whoops...
US could put some pressure over the family but it is not going to lose them if they get some deals from Russia .
The US can't control Russia or China because they don't hold enough strings... though Chinese prosperity has a lot to do with the US and the situation they created for them, but Saudi Arabia owes its financial position to the US. One leader of Saudi Arabia suggests selling oil in Euros and he is dead... not exiled... dismembered dead.
(that would seriously damage the US dollar... mortally wound it in fact...)
US is abusing Saudis and using Iran as a danger but Iran is not that powerful country that can occupy the Gulf countries . Saudis should go and keep good relations with Iran and stop being used as cash pump for the US .
I think you have this backwards... I think US hostility is being driven by Saudi and Israeli fears of Iran... for Saudi Arabia it is Iranian influence in Iraq and now Yemen even though it is nothing like what they have been doing in those places and many other places too, and for Israel it is Iranian support for Assad that might lead to more support for resistance against their slow steady land grab, and of course the obvious loss of the Golan Heights... an Annexation that the US approves of...
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True but the family is enormous so it would not be hard to find a sympathetic ear that could be made eligible to the throne.... I think Blackadder said it best when he offered to take someone he didn't like up to the roof to have a look at the cannons... have a look down the barrel and whoops...
I visited SA before , to be honest the people there are highly satisfied about the regime. They have everything for a luxury Life ,they work less and gain more and depend highly on expatriates to get any job done .
To get your scenario done , the US must put sanctions on whatever provide SA with money .I mean oil and other main exports .Also to restrict any weapons deals with Saudis and then people would lose their jobs and wealth and would start to get angry over their rulers , other powers would raise up , this is the usual US game . This is not gonna happen even if Saudis went to Russia for some deals .The world can't simply get rid of a main oil supplier .
I think you have this backwards... I think US hostility is being driven by Saudi and Israeli fears of Iran... for Saudi Arabia it is Iranian influence in Iraq and now Yemen even though it is nothing like what they have been doing in those places and many other places too, and for Israel it is Iranian support for Assad that might lead to more support for resistance against their slow steady land grab, and of course the obvious loss of the Golan Heights... an Annexation that the US approves of...
Yes but US is enlarging the hostility between Saudi and Iran so that it would show like a hero who protects the people in Gulf and sell tons of weapons to them and gain tons of cash .That's why US is never going to strike Iran . US will continously keep high tensions between Iran and Saudi , such scenario is like a chicken that lay golden eggs for the US .
Iran also should play the game well and stop it's stupid declarations and moves and give a hand to the Gulf to counter the US game . After that everyone would be against Israel .
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I agree that Iran should address the main problem for the region, the destructive influence of USA in the region. Just targeting the PG monarchy or sheikdoms will only bring in USA into equation. But it is not easy. Since these little PG sheikdoms do have active anti - Iran agenda and activity. Anything from supporting Saddam aggressive war against Iran. To incitement and funds for terror groups in sectarian conflict or pumping extra oil to help put sanction on Iran.
But you are right. Putting pressure on these nepotistic despots, will only play into their hands. They will then play the sectarian card or ethnic card or Arab against Persian card . Since they need this wars to stop own population from democratic and national advancement. I am not so sure about your impressions of life in Saudi. There is a lot of unrest and discontentment. Saudi jails are full of political prisoners.
How do I see the future for the region? Well the Arabs and Muslims may never be united enough or find enough cause to fight the Usraelis. The Palestinians then leaving Usrael for good. But I also see Russia and China and India replacing in large part the USA in the region. Including economic but also military sphere. And that will be a good thing for them. Iran can not develop the same level of relationship with them, on account of religious divide.
Once and if this underdeveloped political situation in ME, based on sect or ethnicity or tribe or family or class is replaced by truly national and democratic forces that maintain the integrity and independence and national interests of these states. Then they can all be closer. A little like how some European developed states have set up more cooperation recently. After fighting two world wars and the holy Roman empire and the inquisition and...
But you are right. Putting pressure on these nepotistic despots, will only play into their hands. They will then play the sectarian card or ethnic card or Arab against Persian card . Since they need this wars to stop own population from democratic and national advancement. I am not so sure about your impressions of life in Saudi. There is a lot of unrest and discontentment. Saudi jails are full of political prisoners.
How do I see the future for the region? Well the Arabs and Muslims may never be united enough or find enough cause to fight the Usraelis. The Palestinians then leaving Usrael for good. But I also see Russia and China and India replacing in large part the USA in the region. Including economic but also military sphere. And that will be a good thing for them. Iran can not develop the same level of relationship with them, on account of religious divide.
Once and if this underdeveloped political situation in ME, based on sect or ethnicity or tribe or family or class is replaced by truly national and democratic forces that maintain the integrity and independence and national interests of these states. Then they can all be closer. A little like how some European developed states have set up more cooperation recently. After fighting two world wars and the holy Roman empire and the inquisition and...
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I visited SA before , to be honest the people there are highly satisfied about the regime. They have everything for a luxury Life ,they work less and gain more and depend highly on expatriates to get any job done .
That is right... they get an easy life so they don't rock the boat... but without western support how stable is the boat... it would not take much to turn things around if they wanted to... and right now the US doesn't want to upset the boat because Saudi Arabia is generally behaving... at the very least the US could seize all assets of the current regime in Saudi Arabia and make them available to anybody in Saudi Arabia that could offer a US friendly alternative... the same tactic they used in Venezuela. The sanctions there are meant to make life hard for the average Venezuelan but the people who support Maduro are poor and are used to hardship... imagine a western country having to deal with such sanctions.... they would offer their beloved leaders head on a plate in a week or two.
Saudi Arabia cannot remain prosperous without the complete support of the US because it is too much a part of the western world... the US has too many strings to pull.
It works both ways of course with all those billions of dollars in promised weapons purchases the US can't afford for Saudi Arabia to appear to be a bad guy that dismembers its political opponents in Saudi embassies in Turkey...
To get your scenario done , the US must put sanctions on whatever provide SA with money .I mean oil and other main exports .Also to restrict any weapons deals with Saudis and then people would lose their jobs and wealth and would start to get angry over their rulers , other powers would raise up , this is the usual US game . This is not gonna happen even if Saudis went to Russia for some deals .The world can't simply get rid of a main oil supplier .
It is the weapons deals for US stuff that keeps them safe... if they started an enormous purchase plan with Russian weapons or mentioned pumping oil for Euros instead of US dollars it would change overnight and some distant cousin will suddenly appear to take over from the current guy... there are thousands to choose from and the Saudi people don't give a shit as long as they are happy.
It is the same in the US... most Americans couldn't give a shit about what country America was bombing as long as they had a job and were reasonably left alone by their government...
Yes but US is enlarging the hostility between Saudi and Iran so that it would show like a hero who protects the people in Gulf and sell tons of weapons to them and gain tons of cash .That's why US is never going to strike Iran . US will continously keep high tensions between Iran and Saudi , such scenario is like a chicken that lay golden eggs for the US .
I don't agree... I think given the right situation at the right time and Trump would love to attack Iran... if he gets re elected I would be surprised if he does not attack Iran... and probably for the dumbest reason... Saudi Arabia doesn't listen to the US about who to be afraid of... SA is already scared after Iranian forces have finished with proxy Saudi forces in Syria that they will then interfere in Yemen even more and Yemen has borders with SA... so when they turn to Iran there is only the overthrow of the Saudi government left for them to achieve...
I doubt they care about that, but this is Saudi fears not the real world...
Iran also should play the game well and stop it's stupid declarations and moves and give a hand to the Gulf to counter the US game . After that everyone would be against Israel .
Nothing Iran could do would turn US controlled Saudi Arabia against Israel.
Saudi Arabia would rather seize Yemen and impose a SA friendly regime in Syria than attack Israel.
They would rather fight fellow Arabs than deal with the jews.
Is that because the Americans are smart or the Saudi leadership are dumb... someone is playing someone and likely on several levels...
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That is right... they get an easy life so they don't rock the boat... but without western support how stable is the boat... it would not take much to turn things around if they wanted to... and right now the US doesn't want to upset the boat because Saudi Arabia is generally behaving... at the very least the US could seize all assets of the current regime in Saudi Arabia and make them available to anybody in Saudi Arabia that could offer a US friendly alternative... the same tactic they used in Venezuela. The sanctions there are meant to make life hard for the average Venezuelan but the people who support Maduro are poor and are used to hardship... imagine a western country having to deal with such sanctions.... they would offer their beloved leaders head on a plate in a week or two.
Saudi Arabia cannot remain prosperous without the complete support of the US because it is too much a part of the western world... the US has too many strings to pull.
SA has a big trade deals with China , in 2019 they got a $28 billion trade deal that included plans for SA to build a $10 billion petrochemical complex in China that will refine and process Saudi oil .SA got Ballistic Missiles and other weapons from China ,so i don't see a reason they can't do the same with Russia.
I don't agree... I think given the right situation at the right time and Trump would love to attack Iran... if he gets re elected I would be surprised if he does not attack Iran... and probably for the dumbest reason... Saudi Arabia doesn't listen to the US about who to be afraid of... SA is already scared after Iranian forces have finished with proxy Saudi forces in Syria that they will then interfere in Yemen even more and Yemen has borders with SA... so when they turn to Iran there is only the overthrow of the Saudi government left for them to achieve...
Trump is only correcting what Obama did after signing the nuclear deal with Iran in 2015 , he was advised to do that to keep the SA money in US pockets .
But Trump is not going to attack Iran even if he get re elected .
Iran presence in Iraq and Yemen is just a result of the continous indirect conflict between SA and Iran , with US hands to increase it .Just look at the US think tanks ,those writers and search centers are always talking about the Iranian next occupation to SA and this is Funny .Iran can't do that and it can't "erase" Israel as the Iraninas said before .
It's a designed lottery to keep US wins all the time .
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SA has a big trade deals with China , in 2019 they got a $28 billion trade deal that included plans for SA to build a $10 billion petrochemical complex in China that will refine and process Saudi oil .SA got Ballistic Missiles and other weapons from China ,so i don't see a reason they can't do the same with Russia.
Not really the same though is it.... if Saudi Arabia say they are spending 20 billion dollars for China to build them a nuclear powered aircraft carrier and there are plans for them to build several cruisers with S-400 equivalent SAMs worth another 40 billion to operate with it and in conjunction they want to buy S-400s directly from either China or Russia to replace their land based Patriot systems... do you think Americas reaction will be different from their reaction to Turkey?
The US would also try to overthrow the leadership but are more likely to succeed in SA... there are a lot more potential challengers...
Trump is only correcting what Obama did after signing the nuclear deal with Iran in 2015 , he was advised to do that to keep the SA money in US pockets .
Nah... Trump is just a selfish little bitch and is reacting to all the shit he is getting from the Democrats 24/7 by going through and ripping up as many different agreements as he can... starting with the ones Obama signed but also other stuff as well. Can't say I can honestly blame him... being president was supposed to be fun and they ruined it and made it a nightmare... well if they are screwing him then he can screw them too.
[qutoe]But Trump is not going to attack Iran even if he get re elected .[/quote]
He wont if before the election... he might create some false flagg incidents just before the elections to boost his chances of reelection... nothing like a just war to get the people mobilised and unified... but once he is re-elected he has nothing to lose... and his saudi and jewish supporters would love him for it... including a lot of radical christian nutters with end of the world prophesies.... they want the rapture now....
Iran presence in Iraq and Yemen is just a result of the continous indirect conflict between SA and Iran , with US hands to increase it .Just look at the US think tanks ,those writers and search centers are always talking about the Iranian next occupation to SA and this is Funny .Iran can't do that and it can't "erase" Israel as the Iraninas said before .
The real joke is that Iran is in Syria because the US destabilised Syria... Assad was turning west and that included turning away from Russia and presumably Iran to do so... just like Gadaffi did.... and how did that turn out for both of them... essentially they would take Syria into the western world but not with Assad in charge because he would not allow them to strip mine his country, so when they tried to kill him they pushed him in to the arms of Russia and Iran... Russian and Iranian influence in the region would be tiny if the west didn't try to rape Syria... it was western... specifically US actions that created Iranian and Russian influence there getting so strong and it was pretty much Saudi actions in Yemen that did the same thing there regarding Iranian influence.
The west and Saudi Arabia offer shit... the more they do stuff the worse their position becomes when people realise what head chopping rapists they support and arm... the best way to convict a criminal is to let them speak and tell you what they really want...
It's a designed lottery to keep US wins all the time .
It is yes man management with no critical thinking of reasoned debate... it ruined a lot of businesses in the 70s and early 80s... where to be on the board you needed to agree with the boss even if what he was suggesting was stupid... to keep your job you just said yes, but you ended up losing your job anyway because the idiot in charge would make a mistake and everyone would tell him he is brilliant and the company would go under.
The US is in the process of going under... don't interrupt them... they wont talk about it, they wont think about it... you are either with us or against us... if you are with us you agree with everything we do because we are the good guys, if you are against us you are working for Putin and are a russian spy...
That is why I would love to see Putin endorse Joe Biden for president... what a shit storm that would create it would be hilarious... how often do western leaders say who they think should be elected in Russia... all the time.... last US election most western leaders were looking forward to working with Hilary as president because there was no way Trump would get elected... they said that openly... and when he went to Europe to see his so called allies he treated them like the dirt they deserved to be treated like and they got all offended at not being treated with respect... but then they are short memoried idiots too so who cares.
I am thinking the plan is for Biden to be elected with Hilary as his running mate so when Biden is brutally murdered... ten gunshots to the back, garroted, had his arms and legs cut off, suffocated in a plastic bag over his head and stabbed 20 times in the chest... alone in a room locked from the inside it will be his suicide that gets Hilary into the presidents position... so someone will have to assassinate her.
Wouldn't it be hilarious if they hire a shooter to shoot Biden and Bill gives him an extra 50K to shoot her instead... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Not really the same though is it.... if Saudi Arabia say they are spending 20 billion dollars for China to build them a nuclear powered aircraft carrier and there are plans for them to build several cruisers with S-400 equivalent SAMs worth another 40 billion to operate with it and in conjunction they want to buy S-400s directly from either China or Russia to replace their land based Patriot systems... do you think Americas reaction will be different from their reaction to Turkey?
US is a fraid from the Russian projection power but there is no war coming between them .
The real danger on US is China as an economic power .
I didn't mean that SA should go for a huge arms contracts with Russia but at least they can buy S-400 .
He wont if before the election... he might create some false flagg incidents just before the elections to boost his chances of reelection... nothing like a just war to get the people mobilised and unified... but once he is re-elected he has nothing to lose... and his saudi and jewish supporters would love him for it... including a lot of radical christian nutters with end of the world prophesies.... they want the rapture now....
The Iranian missiles which hit the US bases in Iraq was enough reason for Trump to declare the war but he didn't .
The real joke is that Iran is in Syria because the US destabilised Syria
Iran is in Syria even before 2011 but of course their influence noticly boosted to protect the regime in Syria .
Wouldn't it be hilarious if they hire a shooter to shoot Biden and Bill gives him an extra 50K to shoot her instead... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
She even does not deserve such amount
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US is a fraid from the Russian projection power but there is no war coming between them .
The real danger on US is China as an economic power .
I didn't mean that SA should go for a huge arms contracts with Russia but at least they can buy S-400 .
The US has forced the EU to push Russia away and treat it like an enemy... when actually at worst it is a rival.
Henry Kissenger even stated that the US policy of using the Communist Chinese against the Soviet Union was a successful tactic and that with the rising of China that the US needs to use the militarily and politically powerful, but economically small but growing Russia against the economically dangerous but still militarily weak China... but Russia is not stupid... China will use its military power to protect itself from the aggressive west... Just like Russia developed its military first to protect it from the aggressive west... but now it wants to develop and grow economically too... at US insistence the EU pushed Russia away so Russia is looking to China and other places it didn't normally look before.
The Iranian missiles which hit the US bases in Iraq was enough reason for Trump to declare the war but he didn't .
It was a show of strength that scared him and the US military and they found they had a weakness.... just like during Desert Storm when they had no answer to Scuds and upgraded Scud missiles. The claimed at the time Patriot was effective, but then why bother developing PAC-3 Patriot and THAAD...
She even does not deserve such amount
Any political assassin in the US that cares about America would do it for 50c rather than 50K....
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ahmedfire wrote:US is abusing Saudis and using Iran as a danger but Iran is not that powerful country that can occupy the Gulf countries . Saudis should go and keep good relations with Iran and stop being used as cash pump for the US .
But Iran wouldn't need to occupy when you consider 1/3rd of the Saudi population is made up of Shia practitioners who are largely discriminated against. They also make up the vast majority of the eastern (oil rich) regions, and the under-paid oil well operators/workers on the oil fields.
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It was a show of strength that scared him and the US military and they found they had a weakness.... just like during Desert Storm when they had no answer to Scuds and upgraded Scud missiles. The claimed at the time Patriot was effective, but then why bother developing PAC-3 Patriot and THAAD...
Iran can't face a massive US navy and air attacks but why US should do that .
US can't defend Taiwan against future Chinese attack but it's good for US to pretend that ,so Taiwan would purchase some US weapons and increase the trade with it.
Gulf contains a huge wealth . Stable and safe Gulf means those countries would have more options to purchase whatever they want .But politics directs fear which directs economy too ,so US leads the game of politics to ensure this wealth go to US pocket .
The west need Arab-Israel conflict to last forever .West is supporting Israel for this target so that Arabs would go to the west and buy weapons to secure themselves too .
But Iran wouldn't need to occupy when you consider 1/3rd of the Saudi population is made up of Shia practitioners who are largely discriminated against. They also make up the vast majority of the eastern (oil rich) regions, and the under-paid oil well operators/workers on the oil fields.
They are about 15 to 20 % and they have no power inside Saudi .We saw what happened in Bahrain before .
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Well there are times, when there are bad memories. For example, the Afghans may not receive aid and investment from Russia. Because of the past war. In that case Iran could invest Russian money into Afghanistan. In this sense it was accepted.
In the same way, Russia and Iran Could form a consortium. To collectively trade with Persian Gulf countries. Investment in mother industries that will centralise capital investment and industrial growth. So these Arab countries will turn from pure consumers of imported Western goods. To exporters of manufactured goods. This will also mean independence from American industrial goods and military hardware.
As I said Russia wins, not because it copies the wayward ways of America in the world. Not because it becomes as bad as the Yanks. As selfish and short sighted in the world. But because it offers a better deal. Otherwise there is no good choice to be made by countries in the world. The choice will in that case be, between bad and bad. As far as Iran interfering in Saudi internal affairs. This is not true. Iranians have spoken about human rights in Persian Gulf. But unlike Saudi and others, did not arm extremists in Saudi. So Russia and China could provide a bridge.
In the same way, Russia and Iran Could form a consortium. To collectively trade with Persian Gulf countries. Investment in mother industries that will centralise capital investment and industrial growth. So these Arab countries will turn from pure consumers of imported Western goods. To exporters of manufactured goods. This will also mean independence from American industrial goods and military hardware.
As I said Russia wins, not because it copies the wayward ways of America in the world. Not because it becomes as bad as the Yanks. As selfish and short sighted in the world. But because it offers a better deal. Otherwise there is no good choice to be made by countries in the world. The choice will in that case be, between bad and bad. As far as Iran interfering in Saudi internal affairs. This is not true. Iranians have spoken about human rights in Persian Gulf. But unlike Saudi and others, did not arm extremists in Saudi. So Russia and China could provide a bridge.
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ahmedfire wrote:But Iran wouldn't need to occupy when you consider 1/3rd of the Saudi population is made up of Shia practitioners who are largely discriminated against. They also make up the vast majority of the eastern (oil rich) regions, and the under-paid oil well operators/workers on the oil fields.
They are about 15 to 20 % and they have no power inside Saudi .We saw what happened in Bahrain before .
Another 1/3rd of the population is suppressed and discriminated guest workers who could be convinced to join their side. They have no power because they have no active support from Iran. BTW have you checked the Yemen thread? The Saudi's are getting their asses kicked by an insurgency with a shoe-string budget, probably the most extreme example of asymmetrical warfare ever seen. Some Russian think-tanks estimated the difference in cost of equipping the average Saudi soldier and equipping the average Flip-Flop to be hundreds of times more expensive for the Saudi's. This doesn't account for military vehicles, bases, infrastructure, etc.
Iran doesn't need to occupy Saudi Arabia, all they need to do is bombard their critical military infrastructure with ballistic/cruise missiles (which the Patriot SAM are laughably bad against), and make sure they can't exploit their energy resources in the Eastern part of their country. The Flip-Flop squad could attack from the south, while the Shia partisans could attack from the east and destroy critical hydrocarbon fuel infrastructure. The Shia don't have to 'win' the country, just gift them a uncontrollable zone that is impossible to exploit fuel from.
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This may be a new 7 units or a repeat of the announcement in April last year.
WASHINGTON, RIADH, (BM) – US military-industrial company Raytheon has won a tender for more than $ 2.2 billion in supplies of military equipment and equipment to Saudi Arabia, learned BulgarianMilitary.com citing the Pentagon statement.
“Raytheon Integrated Defense Systems from Woburn, Massachusetts, received a $ 2,271,181,543 contract under the Foreign Military Sales [FMS] program for the Saudi Arabia Kingdom,” the statement said.
Under the contract, Raytheon will provide Riyadh with seven radar surveillance stations and spare parts for radars, as well as carry out a number of other rearmament works for Saudi Arabia. Work under the contract will take place over the next seven years with an expected completion date of August 31, 2027. Under the contract, Raytheon will provide seven Army/Navy Transportable Surveillance and Control Model 2 radars, radar spares, obsolescence design, sustainment services, and initial contractor logistics support for Saudi Arabia, the Defence Department explained.
What really the AN/TPY-2 radar system is?
The AN/TPY-2 is a missile defense radar that can detect, track and discriminate ballistic missiles. It operates in the X-band of the electromagnetic spectrum. This enables it to see targets more clearly and distinguish between an actual menace and non-threats, like launch debris. AN/TPY-2 can operate in two modes: Forward-based mode and Terminal mode. In Forward-based mode, the radar detects ballistic missiles after they are launched.
In Terminal mode, the radar helps guide interceptors toward a descending missile to defeat the threat. Most notably when operating in Terminal mode, AN/TPY-2 leads the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense ballistic missile defense system by guiding the THAAD missile.
According to the manufacturer AN/TPY-2 has a record of flawless performance against all classes of ballistic missiles.
Saudi Arabia will integrade and co-ordinate the radars with existing THAADs in the country
BulgarianMilitary.com recalls that on April 11 2019 the Government of Saudi Arabia bought forty-four (44) Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) launchers, three hundred sixty (360) THAAD Interceptor Missiles, sixteen (16) THAAD Fire Control and Communications Mobile Tactical Station Group, seven (7) AN/TPY-2 THAAD radars. Also included are THAAD Battery maintenance equipment, forty-three (43) prime movers (trucks), generators, electrical power units, trailers, communications equipment, tools, test and maintenance equipment, repair and return, system integration and checkout, spare/repair parts, publications and technical documentation, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor technical and logistics personnel support services, facilities construction, studies, and other related elements of logistics and program support.
The THAAD system is being designed, built, and integrated by Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control acting as prime contractor. Key subcontractors include Raytheon, Boeing, Aerojet Rocketdyne, Honeywell, BAE Systems, Oshkosh Defense, and MiltonCAT.
The THAAD, formerly Theater High Altitude Area Defense, is an American anti-ballistic missile defense system designed to shoot down short-, medium-, and intermediate-range ballistic missiles in their terminal phase (descent or reentry) by intercepting with a hit-to-kill approach. It has a maximum firing of 200 km at an altitude of up to 150 km.
https://geopolitics.news/middle-east/us-sold-powerful-radar-systems-to-saudis-as-part-of-missile-defense-in-the-region/
WASHINGTON, RIADH, (BM) – US military-industrial company Raytheon has won a tender for more than $ 2.2 billion in supplies of military equipment and equipment to Saudi Arabia, learned BulgarianMilitary.com citing the Pentagon statement.
“Raytheon Integrated Defense Systems from Woburn, Massachusetts, received a $ 2,271,181,543 contract under the Foreign Military Sales [FMS] program for the Saudi Arabia Kingdom,” the statement said.
Under the contract, Raytheon will provide Riyadh with seven radar surveillance stations and spare parts for radars, as well as carry out a number of other rearmament works for Saudi Arabia. Work under the contract will take place over the next seven years with an expected completion date of August 31, 2027. Under the contract, Raytheon will provide seven Army/Navy Transportable Surveillance and Control Model 2 radars, radar spares, obsolescence design, sustainment services, and initial contractor logistics support for Saudi Arabia, the Defence Department explained.
What really the AN/TPY-2 radar system is?
The AN/TPY-2 is a missile defense radar that can detect, track and discriminate ballistic missiles. It operates in the X-band of the electromagnetic spectrum. This enables it to see targets more clearly and distinguish between an actual menace and non-threats, like launch debris. AN/TPY-2 can operate in two modes: Forward-based mode and Terminal mode. In Forward-based mode, the radar detects ballistic missiles after they are launched.
In Terminal mode, the radar helps guide interceptors toward a descending missile to defeat the threat. Most notably when operating in Terminal mode, AN/TPY-2 leads the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense ballistic missile defense system by guiding the THAAD missile.
According to the manufacturer AN/TPY-2 has a record of flawless performance against all classes of ballistic missiles.
Saudi Arabia will integrade and co-ordinate the radars with existing THAADs in the country
BulgarianMilitary.com recalls that on April 11 2019 the Government of Saudi Arabia bought forty-four (44) Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) launchers, three hundred sixty (360) THAAD Interceptor Missiles, sixteen (16) THAAD Fire Control and Communications Mobile Tactical Station Group, seven (7) AN/TPY-2 THAAD radars. Also included are THAAD Battery maintenance equipment, forty-three (43) prime movers (trucks), generators, electrical power units, trailers, communications equipment, tools, test and maintenance equipment, repair and return, system integration and checkout, spare/repair parts, publications and technical documentation, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor technical and logistics personnel support services, facilities construction, studies, and other related elements of logistics and program support.
The THAAD system is being designed, built, and integrated by Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control acting as prime contractor. Key subcontractors include Raytheon, Boeing, Aerojet Rocketdyne, Honeywell, BAE Systems, Oshkosh Defense, and MiltonCAT.
The THAAD, formerly Theater High Altitude Area Defense, is an American anti-ballistic missile defense system designed to shoot down short-, medium-, and intermediate-range ballistic missiles in their terminal phase (descent or reentry) by intercepting with a hit-to-kill approach. It has a maximum firing of 200 km at an altitude of up to 150 km.
https://geopolitics.news/middle-east/us-sold-powerful-radar-systems-to-saudis-as-part-of-missile-defense-in-the-region/
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As I said Russia wins, not because it copies the wayward ways of America in the world. Not because it becomes as bad as the Yanks. As selfish and short sighted in the world. But because it offers a better deal.
If Russia tries to behave like the US then they will fail like the US is failing now... they are burning through money like confetti because the business world accepts the US dollar... they are haemorrhaging money like a kid at a no pins attached hand grenade convention haemorrhaging blood and body parts...
There is no future for any other country to follow that path yet all the western countries are trying to follow but it doesn't and can't work for them because they don't use the US dollar as their currency so they can't just print more money.
Even Saudi Arabia is struggling with oil being too cheap and their oil wealth means they should have a licence to print money if anyone can...
Russias brightest future as Putin has clearly already shown he understands is for Russia to be democratic and forward thinking but not liberal idiots like those in control of the US... and therefore the west.
Men and women are not the same... there should be equality but there are differences... if women are equal and want equal pay then they need to compete against men in a fair way with no quotas or bias... some women would benefit from such an arrangement and culture but I would say most would not.