UAVs in Russian Armed Forces: News

theking950 wrote:if russia develop 20 ton ucav why they want to buy from israel?

They don't. Post a Russian source saying they want Israeli UAV's.

miketheterrible wrote:

theking950 wrote:if russia develop 20 ton ucav why they want to buy from israel?

They don't.  Post a Russian source saying they want Israeli UAV's.

maybe they wont admit it

theking950 wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

theking950 wrote:if russia develop 20 ton ucav why they want to buy from israel?

They don't.  Post a Russian source saying they want Israeli UAV's.

maybe they wont admit it

Better yet, you can take your links and shove it. Because it holds no form of reality.  "since they don't want to admit it".  Hey asshole, unlike your shitty Jew media, Russia has real independent media.  You know that?  Novaya Gozeta hates Putin so they would post this drivel as well.

But, reality is, Russia doesn't want it.  We have gone over this with you.  Western media is bullshit, sorry to say.  And that is why Russia funded programs like Orion and Altius.

So thank you, and go away.

So once again, please provide proof or fuck off.

Lets see, non Russian government media outlets not reporting it: interfax, Novaya Gazeta. Huh, so I guess it isn't real then. Funny thing too, is that Russia could have purchased it prior to 2014. but nope, nothing.

Sure sounds like Israel suffers from some delusions of grandeur were everyone wants their shit. Yet, you can get same shit from Turkey if they REALLY wanted to. Or Iran.

Gee, I guess russia will just have to use the stuff that they make like Orion. Oh well. Poor them

if russia develop 20 ton ucav why they want to buy from israel?

In the mid 1980s the Soviets launched the Buran on an Energyia rocket... it flew at mach 22+ and circled the earth and weighed rather more than 20 tons.

It is not about weight.

Different UAVs have different sensors and systems and performances.

Clearly the Israeli UAVs had software and systems that were tested and proven and have been developed over many years with many millions of dollars spent on making them better.

Think of it in terms of the failed Mistral deal with France.

The Mistrals were a proven design that would have gotten into service rapidly and not have future problems or issues because of hidden or unforeseen faults.

Of course the real issue was the stupid French government and no fault on the side of the French ship makers, though in the end the Russians ended getting full indepth access to the design and systems of the Mistral and got their money back and also got sales potential for systems and aircraft to the new owner Egypt... but they didn't get the ships they wanted in the time frame they wanted.

Now they have more time to develop and plan and build their own ships, which means more time to develop and build other support ships and equipment.

It is the same with these Israeli UAVs.

They would prefer to buy more UAVs that are better than the ones they have previously bought, but that is clearly off the table.

They are using UAVs and seem to be very effective in their use in Syria, so at the end of the day these US imposed sanctions are only hurting Israeli companies that are not getting contracts that will now likely go to Russian companies.

the investment will improve Russian capabilities in this area.

We have already seen feedback from Syria about needing better optics for longer range viewing in all weathers day and night, so I expect they are already going to apply that to UAVs and UCAVs too.

Guided, Glide Bombs for Combat Drones Developed for 1st Time in Russia

According to information provided to Sputnik by a defense industry source, Russia has developed guided and glide bombs for combat drones, which are designed to carry warheads with a payload of up to 50 kilograms, for the first time.
MOSCOW (Sputnik) – A variety of bombs for combat unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) with a payload of up to 50 kilograms (110 pounds) have been developed in Russia for the first time, a defense industry source told Sputnik Wednesday.

"In fact, these are guided and glide bombs. Bombs with the weight of 15, 25, 50 and 100 kilograms that are designed to carry warheads with the payload of up to 50 kilograms with ranges of 12 to 20 kilometers with the engine shut off and up to 100 kilometers when using the engine," the source said.

According to the source, the units vary anywhere from 1 to 2 meters in length, while the mass of the payload and the warhead might be 7-50 kilograms. The items are manufactured by the Aviaavtomatika joint stock company in conjunction with WiseTechnique LLC.

The bombs are capable of changing the flight path through trajectory adjustment by radio signals, while the targeting is carried out by a laser-guiding system as well as with the use of a video-based guidance module, the source said.

UAVs are widely used by the Russian armed forces, particularly during its operations in Syria. According the Russian military, over 14,000 missions have been carried out by Russia's combat aerial drones since the start of the military operation in Syria in 2015.

Nice.

That is good experience, plus these new weapons will make more options possible.

I wonder if the ATGMs with command guidance like ATAKA and SHTURM would be effective from UAVs... They are high speed missiles that don't drag wires and are not that expensive.

Would be interesting to see a large heavy high altitude UCAV with dumb bomb capacity using a modification of the Gefest & T dumb bombing system to allow the effective use of lots of small dumb bombs like the FAB-10 and FAB-20 in huge numbers...

I guess these new glide bombs offer the same potential without having to overfly the targets and with guided weapon accuracy...

Interestingly enough all boards and electronic components in Orlan-10 seem to be manufactured by Foxconn-CM, judging by close-up photos from the one that crashlanded.

Wouldn't surprise me. Orlan-10 was accepted and used long before the whole sanctions debacle in 2014. And back then it was supposed to be a cheap drone for excess use and possibly loss. So it would make sense. Bigger, more sensative would have to use the more expensive Russian components as they are not in widespread manufacturing thus far more expensive. Now, I don't know what they would be using, unless they can still obtain from Foxconn China.

Import substitution does not mean 100% in house product purchases. It means making sure that core strategic
industries exist in Russia that can fill of Russia's needs under critical conditions. The Foxconn components are cheap
and do the job. They are also not compromised by backdoors for the benefit of NATO. And Russia buying these
Chinese parts does not mean it is surrendering the capacity to produce such parts.

kvs wrote:Import substitution does not mean 100% in house product purchases.  It means making sure that core strategic
industries exist in Russia that can fill of Russia's needs under critical conditions.    The Foxconn components are cheap
and do the job.   They are also not compromised by backdoors for the benefit of NATO.    And Russia buying these
Chinese parts does not mean it is surrendering the capacity to produce such parts.    

that is obvious since we all have the news and even photo/video evidence of Russia's fabrication plants and production of electronic components. But even I think it wouldn't be a bad idea of doing some JV with a Chinese or Korean company in opening up a plant in Russia to build cheap consumer electronic subcomponents and other such things. Could make it even cheaper in long run, employ a lot of specialists, and still keep money internally.

miketheterrible wrote:

kvs wrote:Import substitution does not mean 100% in house product purchases.  It means making sure that core strategic
industries exist in Russia that can fill of Russia's needs under critical conditions.    The Foxconn components are cheap
and do the job.   They are also not compromised by backdoors for the benefit of NATO.    And Russia buying these
Chinese parts does not mean it is surrendering the capacity to produce such parts.    

that is obvious since we all have the news and even photo/video evidence of Russia's fabrication plants and production of electronic components.  But even I think it wouldn't be a bad idea of doing some JV with a Chinese or Korean company in opening up a plant in Russia to build cheap consumer electronic subcomponents and other such things.  Could make it even cheaper in long run, employ a lot of specialists, and still keep money internally.

Order to gradually come to 50:50 in military civilian / dual-purpose and military equipment by MIC sounds like this is going to be official trend

Not long endurance UAV Russian military action in Syria, which for the continuous monitoring of battlefield against,so ISIS can use combat maneuver. The clearance of a CH-4 type UAV, ISIS can continuously monitor trends.


Russia recently have this kind of UAV research project? There seems to be no such projects

They have satellite recon and also AWACS and elint aircraft resources.

To be honest the radar and systems on an AWACS aircraft and the elint aircraft would be rather more capable than anything likely fitted to an unmanned drone, but an unmanned drone could probably do the job cheaper.

Their Su-34s and Su-35s probably have rather sophisticated electronics able to detect targets and classify signals in real time and pass that data back to HQ.

Shoigu says UCAV soon to be deployed by the army

Currently over 1000 UAV flights per month in Syria ....in 2015 it was approx. 400 UAV flights per month

http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4682148

That sort of real experience cannot be bought....

Will be interesting to see what weapons they put on their UCAVs...

More than 30 short range Eleron-3 & Orlan-10 UAVs have been delivered to the West. Military District(ZVO) this year

https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20171028/1507736168.html

I came across this article and countries are developing unmanned cargo drones, does Russia have a program like this? These unmanned cargo drones, would be very nice for Russia, it can take or drop supplies in the arctic or in remote locations.


http://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2117438/drone-could-deliver-cargo-islets-south-china-sea-makes

The Mi-38 is designed to be operated like a drone, but I have read about special transport drones to fly in food and water and ammo to remote locations like a special forces team in the mountains.

The drone itself has a glide module to fly the last few kms silently with the payload...

GarryB wrote:The Mi-38 is designed to be operated like a drone, but I have read about special transport drones to fly in food and water and ammo to remote locations like a special forces team in the mountains.

The drone itself has a glide module to fly the last few kms silently with the payload...

powered by an electric motor can fly silently as well

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Skymak-3001 strike UAV

Data in link, translate please

https://vpk.name/news/197015_minoboronyi_poluchit_udarnogo_bespilotnogo_komara.html

powered by an electric motor can fly silently as well

Deep behind enemy lines you want a fast UAV so normal fuelled motor with module that glides down to specific location is cheaper and faster without expensive heavy batteries.

Russia and the UAV Revival by Piotr Butowski
(originaly at MyCity Military Forum by Itcolonel)

Some interesting info, such as...

- there's been a 10 foldincrease in UAV's since 2012
- A Forpost version is planned with side looking radar..

When are we going to see a fully operational Russian MALE drone in service? Altius-M has been in development for more than a decade.

Forpost is good but cannot be counted as Russian since its really just a license produced Israeli drone

Project Canada wrote:When are we going to see a fully operational Russian MALE drone in service? Altius-M has been in development for more than a decade.

Forpost is good but cannot be counted as Russian since its really just a license produced Israeli drone

'Soon' according to Shoigu...my guess is that it will be the armed version of Orion which was apparently shown at MAKS 2017.

Lot of the systems on Forpost are Russian. In the article posted above, it says they receive kits from Israel for a civilian version after which Russian systems such as datalinks, nav equipment and so on are added on