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UAVs in Russian Armed Forces: News
Hole- Posts : 11122
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GarryB- Posts : 40553
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That is a decent sized toy there.
What needs to be kept in mind is that some UAVs can be small enough to fit in the palm of your hand and might fly vertically up to 300-500m or so and look around... things in the next door neighbours back yard or over a small rise in front of you to see what is ahead... with it being so tiny it is unlikely the enemy will even see it, but the information it gives you is invaluable and means you don't have to stumble forward blind. There might be enemy there you can't see of course, but such things are often reveal by communications chatter or when they open fire.
Then you have 100 different classes of UAV from that palm size that might fly up in the air or might be rolled into a building to look around on the ground around corners etc, through to enormous UAVs designed to operate high up with powerful cameras to monitor an area all day and night... plus dozens or hundreds of different sizes and uses in between... some fly... some roll, and the ones that fly... some might hover and land vertically and others might land by parachute and need catapult launch systems... which are generally cheaper than a rocket launch system for repeated use.
UAVs and UCAVs are a good idea, but they are much more useful for some things than for others...
Flying in to enemy territory the chances of recovering a UAV is pretty low, so if carrying UAVs to sneak ahead and look for targets and threats then put a small warhead in them so when they are low on fuel you can dive them into an enemy target and take it out.
What needs to be kept in mind is that some UAVs can be small enough to fit in the palm of your hand and might fly vertically up to 300-500m or so and look around... things in the next door neighbours back yard or over a small rise in front of you to see what is ahead... with it being so tiny it is unlikely the enemy will even see it, but the information it gives you is invaluable and means you don't have to stumble forward blind. There might be enemy there you can't see of course, but such things are often reveal by communications chatter or when they open fire.
Then you have 100 different classes of UAV from that palm size that might fly up in the air or might be rolled into a building to look around on the ground around corners etc, through to enormous UAVs designed to operate high up with powerful cameras to monitor an area all day and night... plus dozens or hundreds of different sizes and uses in between... some fly... some roll, and the ones that fly... some might hover and land vertically and others might land by parachute and need catapult launch systems... which are generally cheaper than a rocket launch system for repeated use.
UAVs and UCAVs are a good idea, but they are much more useful for some things than for others...
Flying in to enemy territory the chances of recovering a UAV is pretty low, so if carrying UAVs to sneak ahead and look for targets and threats then put a small warhead in them so when they are low on fuel you can dive them into an enemy target and take it out.
magnumcromagnon- Posts : 8138
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It's what Dr.GarryB ordered....Almaz Antey's UAV loaded with a Vepr-12:
Hole- Posts : 11122
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Now design a drone around this baby! 
Isos- Posts : 11603
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magnumcromagnon wrote:It's what Dr.GarryB ordered....Almaz Antey's UAV loaded with a Vepr-12:
So much precision but no radar, no camera ... probably remote controled. I have some doubts about that.
For me it's a fake. The idea is possible but this one seems really fake.
But more info about :
Almaz Antei filed a patent about the drone.
http://new.fips.ru/registers-doc-view/fips_servlet?DB=RUDE&rn=7676&DocNumber=113562&QID=504E2C67-B95A-4BFD-BBCA-385FFC46BF01&TypeFile=html
LMFS- Posts : 5167
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The perfect tool for high profile assasination 
A good sight and a sniper rifle instead and this thing would be extremely difficult to defend against in open-air events where political figures participate...
A good sight and a sniper rifle instead and this thing would be extremely difficult to defend against in open-air events where political figures participate...
Isos- Posts : 11603
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LMFS wrote:The perfect tool for high profile assasination
A good sight and a sniper rifle instead and this thing would be extremely difficult to defend against in open-air events where political figures participate...
Or destroy f-35 parked outside of hangars.
LMFS- Posts : 5167
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Of course, better even since a 12,7 mm rifle will have even bigger range and a plane is big enough not to need extreme precision. The cost would be ridiculous and flying low until the last minute, they would be so difficult to catch... you can send 20 or 30 of them at the same time. Rocket launcher or low ballistic bigger calibre cannon would do too, with smart ammo they would lay waste to a hole airbase. These things are going to get pretty nasty real quick!Isos wrote:Or destroy f-35 parked outside of hangars.
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Hole wrote:Now design a drone around this baby!
T-800 was a drone after all
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A russian company already tested a drone fitted with a RPG-22. New marketing tool: F-35 killer.
Isos- Posts : 11603
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Hole wrote:A russian company already tested a drone fitted with a RPG-22. New marketing tool: F-35 killer.
A drone paralyzed an airport in UK flying above all day while no one could do anything to stop him
Civilian drones are already able to fly in a zone without leaving it. Be that zone the airport.
Add a camera and a software that reconizes f-35 and a grenade launcher and you have a cheap autonomous drone that can act as a strategic weapons.
Would work even easier against awacs and refuel tankers. Which would hurt nato more than losing f-35s.
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Yeah, nobody else freaked out by that drone flying around with a live 12g shotgun like that?
If that was in the west there would be no one within 5km of the place and it would be conducted with everyone in a military bunker and the two drones and balloon outside behind metres of concrete.
Regarding its performance... a simple normal camera could be used for aiming.... I mean as long as you get close enough and use buckshot or a heavier pellet load like 1s or 2s, that should be plenty to burst balloons and to destroy other plastic aircraft UAVs easily enough...
I think they chose a very poor design because the nose angles up in flight... would be more effective in my opinion if it was angled down slightly so you could dive on the targets... most UAVs are interested in the ground so the best direction to attack one would be from behind so the closing speed is not so high and from above.
Clearly they want a system that can be located around a base ready to take off vertically and attack a target and then land again for rearm and refuel.
A bigger UAV would be a more stable weapons platform too.
That 23mm gatling can be mounted on the unmanned ground vehicle with a couple of thousand rounds of ready to use ammo and water cooling for the barrels... it is not a gatling if you can fire 6,000 rounds per burst....
If that was in the west there would be no one within 5km of the place and it would be conducted with everyone in a military bunker and the two drones and balloon outside behind metres of concrete.
Regarding its performance... a simple normal camera could be used for aiming.... I mean as long as you get close enough and use buckshot or a heavier pellet load like 1s or 2s, that should be plenty to burst balloons and to destroy other plastic aircraft UAVs easily enough...
I think they chose a very poor design because the nose angles up in flight... would be more effective in my opinion if it was angled down slightly so you could dive on the targets... most UAVs are interested in the ground so the best direction to attack one would be from behind so the closing speed is not so high and from above.
Clearly they want a system that can be located around a base ready to take off vertically and attack a target and then land again for rearm and refuel.
A bigger UAV would be a more stable weapons platform too.
That 23mm gatling can be mounted on the unmanned ground vehicle with a couple of thousand rounds of ready to use ammo and water cooling for the barrels... it is not a gatling if you can fire 6,000 rounds per burst....
flamming_python- Posts : 9549
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It's just a prototype
Hence no sensors/optics. They aren't performing firing tests, but testing the controls, landing/takeoff and aerodynamics. They put the weapon in as a placeholder for now, to test it's effect on flight and control.
It's obvious it's an attempt at an ultra-cheap drone. There's barely any integration between the airframe and the weapon. Once the magazine is finished that's it. But then that should be enough, the endurance of the UAV is probably no more than half an hour anyway. Once it's out of ammo it's just a short trip back to swap the magazine and change batteries. And the advantage is that it's completely modular this way; many different types of assault rifles and shotguns can be mounted.
The finished version, if it gets to that stage, would probably have a camera and computer/targeting system that can be synced quickly to the weapon's characteristics.
Could come in handy for the police or for perimeter defense of NPPs, prisons and other secure objects.
Hence no sensors/optics. They aren't performing firing tests, but testing the controls, landing/takeoff and aerodynamics. They put the weapon in as a placeholder for now, to test it's effect on flight and control.
It's obvious it's an attempt at an ultra-cheap drone. There's barely any integration between the airframe and the weapon. Once the magazine is finished that's it. But then that should be enough, the endurance of the UAV is probably no more than half an hour anyway. Once it's out of ammo it's just a short trip back to swap the magazine and change batteries. And the advantage is that it's completely modular this way; many different types of assault rifles and shotguns can be mounted.
The finished version, if it gets to that stage, would probably have a camera and computer/targeting system that can be synced quickly to the weapon's characteristics.
Could come in handy for the police or for perimeter defense of NPPs, prisons and other secure objects.
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Hole wrote:Now design a drone around this baby!
GarryB wrote:Yeah, nobody else freaked out by that drone flying around with a live 12g shotgun like that?
If that was in the west there would be no one within 5km of the place and it would be conducted with everyone in a military bunker and the two drones and balloon outside behind metres of concrete.
Regarding its performance... a simple normal camera could be used for aiming.... I mean as long as you get close enough and use buckshot or a heavier pellet load like 1s or 2s, that should be plenty to burst balloons and to destroy other plastic aircraft UAVs easily enough...
I think they chose a very poor design because the nose angles up in flight... would be more effective in my opinion if it was angled down slightly so you could dive on the targets... most UAVs are interested in the ground so the best direction to attack one would be from behind so the closing speed is not so high and from above.
Clearly they want a system that can be located around a base ready to take off vertically and attack a target and then land again for rearm and refuel.
A bigger UAV would be a more stable weapons platform too.
That 23mm gatling can be mounted on the unmanned ground vehicle with a couple of thousand rounds of ready to use ammo and water cooling for the barrels... it is not a gatling if you can fire 6,000 rounds per burst....
Something like this, perhaps?
LMFS- Posts : 5167
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Hahaha, what is this madness? They have finished off the whole US military in ten minutes with two guysflamming_python wrote:Something like this, perhaps?
Hole- Posts : 11122
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If an murican company had produced this video some pundits on Fox or CNBC would say that this will be the reality in 5 years. Maybe 6.
GarryB- Posts : 40553
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Yeah... now all they have to do is build it, and then get the enemy to base all their assets together in one barely protected base with shit air defence.
I think the biggest problem will be to develop that special gatling gun... I have seen a lot of gatling guns but apart from the hand cranked ones I have never seen one fire so slowly, yet with such great accuracy... every shot seemed to hit a different target with a round powerful enough to take the target out with one shot... just develop that gatling gun and you would be set.
I think the biggest problem will be to develop that special gatling gun... I have seen a lot of gatling guns but apart from the hand cranked ones I have never seen one fire so slowly, yet with such great accuracy... every shot seemed to hit a different target with a round powerful enough to take the target out with one shot... just develop that gatling gun and you would be set.
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I hope they will not allow this
https://aviation21.ru/rossijskomu-proizvoditelyu-bpla-predlozhili-pereexat-v-ssha/
Russian manufacturer of UAVs offered to move to the USA
The authorities of the US state of New York offered the Russian company ADA Aerospace about $ 200 million of investment, real estate and benefits for employees to manufacture its UAVs in the USA, the first agreements have already been signed, reports RIA News with reference to a source in the company.
"The New York State Department of Economic Development offers ADA Aerospace to build a TRIADA project for producing convertible plans in the US and is ready to provide comprehensive support with investment for business development," said an ADA Aerospace spokesman.
According to him, the state of New York offers the company a space to organize a plant - up to 4 thousand square meters in the first stage, real estate for employees, benefits, grants and subsidies for relocation and adaptation in the USA, as well as initial business development investments of 200 million dollars - for this the department has its own venture capital fund and a pool of investors. "It takes an average of two to four months to transfer business and employees to New York," the company added.
"We have already signed a number of agreements with the New York State Department of Economic Development. The proposed conditions can be called ideal: a comfortable tax regime, a ready infrastructure, access to professional staff, cooperation with the strongest specialized universities, and also the most favorable conditions for living and working in innovation state ecosystem ", - said the founder and head of the board of directors of ADA Aerospace Alexander Milevsky.
“And, of course, a wide range of financial instruments - from benefits and grants to venture investments. Such prospects look more than tempting,” he added
https://aviation21.ru/rossijskomu-proizvoditelyu-bpla-predlozhili-pereexat-v-ssha/
Russian manufacturer of UAVs offered to move to the USA
The authorities of the US state of New York offered the Russian company ADA Aerospace about $ 200 million of investment, real estate and benefits for employees to manufacture its UAVs in the USA, the first agreements have already been signed, reports RIA News with reference to a source in the company.
"The New York State Department of Economic Development offers ADA Aerospace to build a TRIADA project for producing convertible plans in the US and is ready to provide comprehensive support with investment for business development," said an ADA Aerospace spokesman.
According to him, the state of New York offers the company a space to organize a plant - up to 4 thousand square meters in the first stage, real estate for employees, benefits, grants and subsidies for relocation and adaptation in the USA, as well as initial business development investments of 200 million dollars - for this the department has its own venture capital fund and a pool of investors. "It takes an average of two to four months to transfer business and employees to New York," the company added.
"We have already signed a number of agreements with the New York State Department of Economic Development. The proposed conditions can be called ideal: a comfortable tax regime, a ready infrastructure, access to professional staff, cooperation with the strongest specialized universities, and also the most favorable conditions for living and working in innovation state ecosystem ", - said the founder and head of the board of directors of ADA Aerospace Alexander Milevsky.
“And, of course, a wide range of financial instruments - from benefits and grants to venture investments. Such prospects look more than tempting,” he added
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Rodion_Romanovic wrote:I hope they will not allow this
https://aviation21.ru/rossijskomu-proizvoditelyu-bpla-predlozhili-pereexat-v-ssha/
Russian manufacturer of UAVs offered to move to the USA
The authorities of the US state of New York offered the Russian company ADA Aerospace about $ 200 million of investment, real estate and benefits for employees to manufacture its UAVs in the USA, the first agreements have already been signed, reports RIA News with reference to a source in the company.
"The New York State Department of Economic Development offers ADA Aerospace to build a TRIADA project for producing convertible plans in the US and is ready to provide comprehensive support with investment for business development," said an ADA Aerospace spokesman.
According to him, the state of New York offers the company a space to organize a plant - up to 4 thousand square meters in the first stage, real estate for employees, benefits, grants and subsidies for relocation and adaptation in the USA, as well as initial business development investments of 200 million dollars - for this the department has its own venture capital fund and a pool of investors. "It takes an average of two to four months to transfer business and employees to New York," the company added.
"We have already signed a number of agreements with the New York State Department of Economic Development. The proposed conditions can be called ideal: a comfortable tax regime, a ready infrastructure, access to professional staff, cooperation with the strongest specialized universities, and also the most favorable conditions for living and working in innovation state ecosystem ", - said the founder and head of the board of directors of ADA Aerospace Alexander Milevsky.
“And, of course, a wide range of financial instruments - from benefits and grants to venture investments. Such prospects look more than tempting,” he added
Looks like Milevsky is a liberast sell-out. There is no way that operating costs in the USA would be cheaper than in Russia. At the same time, the US market already has enough UAV makers so any upstart will have a massive entry barrier. It is true that venture capital is more easily available in the USA. But that is neither here nor there unless Milevsky intends to supply the Russian UAV market from the USA. Given the war climate between the USA and Russia this is not going to happen.
This is the USA using sanctions pressure to poach Russian intellectual property via useful idiots and sellouts like Milevsky. Putin needs to crush this at all costs. Milevsky can then go and run to his NATO utopia but without Russian capital and talent.
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I hope they will not allow this
https://aviation21.ru/rossijskomu-proizvoditelyu-bpla-predlozhili-pereexat-v-ssha/
Russian manufacturer of UAVs offered to move to the USA...
What's the problem?
I don't see Russia offering investment, real estate and tax breaks so clearly they don't need these products. USA does.
They don't have reason not to move.
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Why would the USA need russian UAVs?PapaDragon wrote:I hope they will not allow this
Russian manufacturer of UAVs offered to move to the USA...
What's the problem?
I don't see Russia offering investment, real estate and tax breaks so clearly they don't need these products. USA does.
They don't have reason not to move.
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Apparently the Russian UAV helicopter is better.
Russia could just asset seize and let this guy go to US with nothing. Chances are, this will end up like that company who made those expensive sniper rifles in Russia. Moved to UAE, found out they didn't do so well in UAE after promises not kept, tried to go back into Russian market later to find out they can't because some other company (makes T-5000) has propt up and doing well in Russia.
The UAV makers loss.
Russia could just asset seize and let this guy go to US with nothing. Chances are, this will end up like that company who made those expensive sniper rifles in Russia. Moved to UAE, found out they didn't do so well in UAE after promises not kept, tried to go back into Russian market later to find out they can't because some other company (makes T-5000) has propt up and doing well in Russia.
The UAV makers loss.
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miketheterrible wrote:Apparently the Russian UAV helicopter is better.
Russia could just asset seize and let this guy go to US with nothing. Chances are, this will end up like that company who made those expensive sniper rifles in Russia. Moved to UAE, found out they didn't do so well in UAE after promises not kept, tried to go back into Russian market later to find out they can't because some other company (makes T-5000) has propt up and doing well in Russia.
The UAV makers loss.
Well there is military technical secrets, apparently they were working with MOD, if they decide to leave permanently then under current climate they could either strike a deal or seize whatever is necessary. The UAV is NOT a game changer, and Zala already has already small UAV's that can accurately and precisely map terrain with LIDAR:
...They're going in the same direction as Lobaev, will they also return with their tail in between their legs?
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Probably fake news and why would NY do that...leftist state and they are dreaming Russia at the moment even during the day. US does not need it either....we have full spectrum of them already.
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southpark wrote:Probably fake news and why would NY do that...leftist state and they are dreaming Russia at the moment even during the day. US does not need it either....we have full spectrum of them already.
The news seems odd indeed. There's no end in sight for U.S. based UAV makers, from the very small to the massive military tech firms (Boeing, Lockheed Martin, etc.) that have UAV divisions over there own....of all the U.S. based military-tech firms out there, why would the state of New York give $200 million in subsidies to an obscure small UAV firm based in Russia? Smells like Bollocks!!! They're screaming like the 'grass is greener' on the other side, but they'll find out the hard way just like the Lobaev arms firm.