2S25 Sprut-SD

TR1 wrote:Very interesting Sprut service film:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZBK_ugfmYTU#t=1400

My vote for the nice video you posted.
Loved it when the Spruts were attacking together with the BMD-4s.

Sorry my Russian is not very good. But I understood that the gun's effective range was in the 1500 m range. Is that all? even with the guided rounds?

That is just a standard "effective range" quote the missiles are much longer range, plus the laser range finder works up to 5km.

Just noticed something- on the ballistic computer, you can see round selection- goes up to the BM48.

Here is a complete 65 minutes video about Sprut-SD and others.

А тем временем в России идет процесс создания «научных рот» и начинаются работы по модернизации самоходной противотанковой пушки (СПТП) 2С25 «Спрут-СД». Фактически, это «крылатый танк» – машина, позволяющая серьезно повысить огневые возможности воздушно-десантных сил (традиционно «легких» в смысле применяемой техники), в т.ч. и по поражению танков противника. В последние годы «Спруты» также рассматривают как средство усиления частей морской пехоты.

In the meantime, Russia is in the process of creating "scientific" mouth and begin work on modernization of self-propelled anti-tank gun (CTSP) 2s25 sprut-SD ". In fact, it is the "winged tank" is a machine that allows you to seriously increase the firepower capability of the airborne forces (traditionally "light" in the sense applied technology), including the defeat of enemy tanks. In recent years, "also consider Spruty as a means to enhance parts of the Marine Corps.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=674064939321157&set=a.289548557772799.66899.145866335474356&type=1&relevant_count=1

Does anyone has more info about that project??

A new order of 125 mm light tank/tank destroyer was made in 2013 to replace sprut. These tank destroyers are planned to be made using the chassis of the BMD-4 with the turret being replaced by the 2A46M-5 125 mm gun; the same smoothbore gun used on the T-90.

New version of Sprut-SD self-propelled gun for Airborne Forces expected in 2015

The upgraded gun will have better protection and mobility, and its fire control system will surpass the T-90 tank system

MOSCOW, May 14. /TASS/. A modernised version of the Sprut-SD self-propelled gun for the Russian Airborne Forces will be released by the end of the current year, First Vice President and co-owner of Concern Tractor Plants (CTP) Albert Bakov told TASS on Thursday.

"The Sprut-SD gun modernisation is in full swing. I’m sure we’ll be able to complete the work this year," the CTP representative said.

Bakov said that the upgraded gun will have better protection and mobility, and its fire control system will surpass the T-90 tank system.

Previously, CTP intended to launch the production of trial samples of the modernised Sprut gun in the fourth quarter of 2014. The research and development contract was concluded in late 2013.

The Concern Tractor Plants Manufacturing Group is Russia’s largest producer of facilities and spare parts for light and heavy engineering and off-road machinery. The holding company’s products are used in key industries within Russia and the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS), as well as on a worldwide basis.

The manufacturing group operates numerous design and production facilities in Russia’s eight regions, as well as in Germany, Denmark, Austria and Malaysia. Operational management is performed at the holding company’s headquarters in Cheboksary, Russia. Within this organisational structure, Concern Tractor Plants produces manufacturing equipment, agricultural machinery, spare parts, OEM parts, railroad machinery and special-purpose machinery.

Sprut-SD = 2A75 125 mm smoothbore gun on BMD-3 chassis
Modernized Sprut-SD = 2A46M-5 125 mm gun on BMD-4 chasis

George1 wrote:New version of Sprut-SD self-propelled gun for Airborne Forces expected in 2015

The upgraded gun will have better protection and mobility, and its fire control system will surpass the T-90 tank system

MOSCOW, May 14. /TASS/. A modernised version of the Sprut-SD self-propelled gun for the Russian Airborne Forces will be released by the end of the current year, First Vice President and co-owner of Concern Tractor Plants (CTP) Albert Bakov told TASS on Thursday.

"The Sprut-SD gun modernisation is in full swing. I’m sure we’ll be able to complete the work this year," the CTP representative said.

Bakov said that the upgraded gun will have better protection and mobility, and its fire control system will surpass the T-90 tank system.

Previously, CTP intended to launch the production of trial samples of the modernised Sprut gun in the fourth quarter of 2014. The research and development contract was concluded in late 2013.

The Concern Tractor Plants Manufacturing Group is Russia’s largest producer of facilities and spare parts for light and heavy engineering and off-road machinery. The holding company’s products are used in key industries within Russia and the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS), as well as on a worldwide basis.

The manufacturing group operates numerous design and production facilities in Russia’s eight regions, as well as in Germany, Denmark, Austria and Malaysia. Operational management is performed at the holding company’s headquarters in Cheboksary, Russia. Within this organisational structure, Concern Tractor Plants produces manufacturing equipment, agricultural machinery, spare parts, OEM parts, railroad machinery and special-purpose machinery.

BMD4 + pano site ready better Leo2 T90

I agree

George1 wrote:Sprut-SD = 2A75 125 mm smoothbore gun on BMD-3 chassis
Modernized Sprut-SD = 2A46M-5 125 mm gun on BMD-4 chasis

You mean the BMD-4M chassis

I would like to see what this beast will look like.

flamming_python wrote:

George1 wrote:Sprut-SD = 2A75 125 mm smoothbore gun on BMD-3 chassis
Modernized Sprut-SD = 2A46M-5 125 mm gun on BMD-4 chasis

You mean the BMD-4M chassis

New Sprut on BMD-4M chasis - Sprut-SDM-1

DTA wrote:Volgograd Tractor plant

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"Currently in the Volgograd machine-building company made the first prototype of the modernized 2S25 Sprut-SDM-1, "- said the spokesman.

According to him, within the framework of the modernization of the machine increased its firepower by installing modern digital fire control system. "It includes:

- panoramic commander's sight with the optical, thermal and distance measuring channels
- combined gunner sight with optical, thermal imaging, laser rangefinder channels
- gun-missile control channel
- automatic target tracking


Moreover upgraded version has

- control equipment for remote detonation of shells
- ballistic computer
- workstations for commander and gunner.

According to the group, the mobility of cars increased by borrowing from the BMP-3 engine, transmission, chassis assemblies, as well as information management system chassis.

In addition, the installation of hardware and software complex to integrate the machine into automated control system of tactical command increases manageability, the source said.

http://vpk-news.ru/news/25603

Picture of Sprut-SDM-1.

Quick question; Is Sprut (either variant) subject to the same projectile-length-requirements as the Russian MBT's? IMO I think the auto-loader would prevent it...but having a light-tank that could fire the Vacuum rounds (among others) would be invaluable.

Mike E wrote:Quick question; Is Sprut (either variant) subject to the same projectile-length-requirements as the Russian MBT's? IMO I think the auto-loader would prevent it...but having a light-tank that could fire the Vacuum rounds (among others) would be invaluable.

still a horizontal AL so no. not much need really to pack something as effective as the vacuum in penetrating armor; if the planners have done their job right you would face a very light defensive force anyway.

Bummer, but not surprising. Hopefully more Russian vehicles will adapt the T-14 style auto loader instead of one like this. 

Who said over-kill was a bad thing... Currently Russian APFSDS could penetrate most Western tanks in areas, but vacuum will be able to penetrate all of them almost anywhere across the frontal section.

Mike E wrote:Bummer, but not surprising. Hopefully more Russian vehicles will adapt the T-14 style auto loader instead of one like this. 

Who said over-kill was a bad thing... Currently Russian APFSDS could penetrate most Western tanks in areas, but vacuum will be able to penetrate all of them almost anywhere across the frontal section.

The version of the 125 mm gun on Sprut is specifically designed to to work on lighter vehicle platforms, to fight...other light vehicles, the sabot rounds would be a poor choice as the Sprut vehicle doesn't hold as many shells as the T-90, etc., so space is very limited and sabot rounds would be ineffective against infantry as the shell itself wouldn't be optimized to fight smaller lighter enemys like infantry, and the range would be limited to under 3 km's, so compare that to enemy infantry that could have ATGM's with a range of 4.5 km's, which is likely harder to spot compared a light tank like Sprut. Sprut fighting true heavy AFV's would be a very poor operation choice, due to the fact that it would be at a disadvantage armor wise, and the VDV could just as easily engage heavy AFV's with Tigr-M's armed with Kornet-M's with 152 mm HEAT warheads that could engage armor 8.5 km's away.

HE-Frag 125 mm shells are the best option for Sprut, as those can be lobbed as far as 12 km's, which would 'out-range' most infantry ATGM's by at least 3 fold, and the warhead is better optimized to destroy log bunkers and infantry, better suited to fight helicopters, and a large enough warhead to destroy most sub-MBT level AFV's.

magnumcromagnon wrote:HE-Frag 125 mm shells are the best option for Sprut, as those can be lobbed as far as 12 km's, which would 'out-range' most infantry ATGM's by at least 3 fold, and the warhead is better optimized to destroy log bunkers and infantry, better suited to fight helicopters, and a large enough warhead to destroy most sub-MBT level AFV's.

The VDV has the Nona-S for HE fire support. 120mm gun-mortar HE rounds are no worse than 125mm in this role; actually better as they can fired indirectly as well as directly.
While for pure AT; I'm not sure the VDV has any air-droppable dedicated AT vehicles. It probably doesn't need them; space in transport aircraft is at a premium after all - so the VDV would prefer multirole vehicles that can fulfil several functions at once.

The Nonas fulfill the role of artillery and HE fire-support.
The BMDs fulfill the role of infantry transport and HE fire-support.
The Rakushkas fulfill the role of infantry transport and utility vehicle.

The Sprut meanwhile also fulfils several roles. AT/HE/AP. It's meant to be a light tank; and like any tank it's a multi-role, versatile vehicle.
It can engage enemy armour. It can engage bunkers. It can engage infantry. Helicopters. IFVs. Whatever.
It can act on its own to manuever and cut-off enemy formations, or it can act as fire-support for infantry.
It will have a mix of different ammo types for all of these things; including some gun-fired missiles I'd imagine.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Mike E wrote:Bummer, but not surprising. Hopefully more Russian vehicles will adapt the T-14 style auto loader instead of one like this. 

Who said over-kill was a bad thing... Currently Russian APFSDS could penetrate most Western tanks in areas, but vacuum will be able to penetrate all of them almost anywhere across the frontal section.

The version of the 125 mm gun on Sprut is specifically designed to to work on lighter vehicle platforms, to fight...other light vehicles, the sabot rounds would be a poor choice as the Sprut vehicle doesn't hold as many shells as the T-90, etc., so space is very limited and sabot rounds would be ineffective against infantry as the shell itself wouldn't be optimized to fight smaller lighter enemys like infantry, and the range would be limited to under 3 km's, so compare that to enemy infantry that could have ATGM's with a range of 4.5 km's, which is likely harder to spot compared a light tank like Sprut. Sprut fighting true heavy AFV's would be a very poor operation choice, due to the fact that it would be at a disadvantage armor wise, and the VDV could just as easily engage heavy AFV's with Tigr-M's armed with Kornet-M's with 152 mm HEAT warheads that could engage armor 8.5 km's away.

HE-Frag 125 mm shells are the best option for Sprut, as those can be lobbed as far as 12 km's, which would 'out-range' most infantry ATGM's by at least 3 fold, and the warhead is better optimized to destroy log bunkers and infantry, better suited to fight helicopters, and a large enough warhead to destroy most sub-MBT level AFV's.

It makes sense to me. It seems an artillery oriented vehicle (modern artillery, since artillery and surface-surface systems are getting closer, but artillery after all, since the ammunition would not have self-propulsion), even it keeps an artillery designation. I see this vehicle as the natural successor of the 2s9 and 2s23, that also are becoming old and too weakly protected (armored). With this new vehicle, the entire range of VDV armored vehicles (BMD-1, BMD-2, BMD-3, BTR-D, 2s9, 2s23, and even the oldest BMD-4 and 2s25) would have a modern successor.

Today, it is not easy to separate the anti-tank role from the artillery based on technical reasons. The concept of artillery is not as close, as example artillery never has been only for indirect fire, despite to include also the indirect fire role. Another example is that the ASU-85 is considered artillery in most of the sources, talking of course about its anti-tank role.

I think the artillery concept is big enough to include the anti-tank role too. The new 2s25 Sprut-SDM-1 seems to be able to do the anti-tank role, but also other artillery roles. And this is why I think this armored vehicle is keeping its artillery designation.

Even, today, in fact, a tank would be an artillery piece with some additional features. The basical firing procedure of a tank is technically very close to the procedure of modern artillery, if not the same, the caliber used is basically the same (the tank reduced the clasical caliber gap), and the precission of the ammunition is becoming basically the same. Even the newer artillery ammunitions begin to use some elements of self-propulsion to increase the range, getting closer to missile ammunition, and breaking another of the old bareers for the artillery.