owais.usmani wrote:So is R-37 not compatible with Mig-31BM upgraded model?
It is and they are using them but they still have a big stock of r-33.
owais.usmani wrote:So is R-37 not compatible with Mig-31BM upgraded model?
So is R-37 not compatible with Mig-31BM upgraded model?
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TMA1 wrote:was going to reply but Garry you already said it. mig31 is tops. superior interceptor. still love tomcat.
GarryB wrote:The F-14 is no better a bomber than the MiG-31BM... it can carry four 1.5 ton FAB-1500 under its wings and two more under its belly and perform high altitude bombing strikes... it evolved from the MiG-25RB blind high altitude bombing aircraft.
9 tons of bombs (6 x 1.5) is not a minor payload...
The F-14A was not really a good dogfighter and had engine issues.
As an interceptor its radar was excellent for the time but also very limited.
Being mechanically scanned it could lock and shoot down 6 targets at one time which it did on one occasion during a test, with targets at different horizontal angles and distances, but the vertical separation of the targets was less than 1,000m because of the mechanical scanning of the radar.
In comparison the PESA radar on the MiG-31 is much better and can scan an enormous volume of air space in comparison.
The Tomcat can also operate from an aircraft carrier too.
The MiG-31 is the worlds best interceptor.
PapaDragon wrote:TMA1 wrote:was going to reply but Garry you already said it. mig31 is tops. superior interceptor. still love tomcat.
They are two completely different things, I don't even know why are they being compared
And F-14 it the most beautiful airplane that ever flew, USA lost a lot of cool points when they retired it
Isos wrote:GarryB wrote:The F-14 is no better a bomber than the MiG-31BM... it can carry four 1.5 ton FAB-1500 under its wings and two more under its belly and perform high altitude bombing strikes... it evolved from the MiG-25RB blind high altitude bombing aircraft.
9 tons of bombs (6 x 1.5) is not a minor payload...
The F-14A was not really a good dogfighter and had engine issues.
As an interceptor its radar was excellent for the time but also very limited.
Being mechanically scanned it could lock and shoot down 6 targets at one time which it did on one occasion during a test, with targets at different horizontal angles and distances, but the vertical separation of the targets was less than 1,000m because of the mechanical scanning of the radar.
In comparison the PESA radar on the MiG-31 is much better and can scan an enormous volume of air space in comparison.
The Tomcat can also operate from an aircraft carrier too.
The MiG-31 is the worlds best interceptor.
Iranian have sent an f-14 against an f-15 in the air to fight and see which one is better. They choosed the f-14 at the end. It tells you a lot about its fighter capabilities.
US used it with guided bombs.
And its radar was fine to hunt soviet bombers or fighters. Phoenix was a hell of missile with long range.
Mig-31 untill recently was just an interceptor with r-33 (120km) missiles.
If they did upgrade the f-14 it would have been better than all of the f-16 and f-15 or f-18.
I could stick a targeting pod on a mig-31 too.
their primary roles are very similar. their radars were built around similar tasks. same with the missiles. id say the mig-31 started with superior radar but inferior missiles (which were upgraded later to have similar guidance and range abilities to aim-54). are you guys just splitting hairs and arguing for sport? dont get it.
was going to reply but Garry you already said it. mig31 is tops. superior interceptor. still love tomcat.
Iranian have sent an f-14 against an f-15 in the air to fight and see which one is better. They choosed the f-14 at the end. It tells you a lot about its fighter capabilities.
US used it with guided bombs.
And its radar was fine to hunt soviet bombers or fighters. Phoenix was a hell of missile with long range.
Mig-31 untill recently was just an interceptor with r-33 (120km) missiles.
If they did upgrade the f-14 it would have been better than all of the f-16 and f-15 or f-18.
I could stick a targeting pod on a mig-31 too.
You need a full upgrade.
Mig-31 in dogfight has no chance and it never had r-27/77 missiles to face fighters until the modernizarion to BM standard.
GarryB wrote:was going to reply but Garry you already said it. mig31 is tops. superior interceptor. still love tomcat.
The Tomcat didn't get interesting till the F-14D model with decent engines. Before that it was a bit sketchy in turning and burning.
Iranian have sent an f-14 against an f-15 in the air to fight and see which one is better. They choosed the f-14 at the end. It tells you a lot about its fighter capabilities.
Tells you that Sparrow missiles sucked, but from very long range Phoenix missiles had some potential.
US used it with guided bombs.
Actually they relegated it to fighter only because they wanted to get rid of it.
They used it in Afghanistan because their bomber of choice.... the Hornet... didn't have the legs to get to Afghanistan and perform a mission and head back to carrier.
And its radar was fine to hunt soviet bombers or fighters. Phoenix was a hell of missile with long range.
Its performance in tests was interesting, its combat record not that impressive.
Mig-31 untill recently was just an interceptor with r-33 (120km) missiles.
Has the F-14 ever killed anything at greater ranges than that?
The MiG holds the world record for a 300km missile flight distance to kill a target.
If they did upgrade the f-14 it would have been better than all of the f-16 and f-15 or f-18.
Of course they could but that would kill off the Hornet programme and then the Super Hornet programme and then the F-35C programme.... and they have made trillions off those three programmes alone... way more than they could think of making with a Super Tomcat or Tomcat 2000.
I could stick a targeting pod on a mig-31 too.
Don't need to... it already has ground mapping radar and IRST system built in.
You need a full upgrade.
The BM upgrade has already been applied.
Mig-31 in dogfight has no chance and it never had r-27/77 missiles to face fighters until the modernizarion to BM standard.
F-14 wouldn't last long in a dogfight either, the speed and missile range of the MiG-31 means it can turn around and nothing can catch it.
But that is easier for the Foxhound because the F-16 and F-18 are slower than their bigger counterparts mach 2 and 1.8 respectively, while the MiG-29 and Su-27 family are mach 2.4 fighters... with high off boresight R-73 missiles...
PapaDragon wrote:TMA1 wrote:was going to reply but Garry you already said it. mig31 is tops. superior interceptor. still love tomcat.
They are two completely different things, I don't even know why are they being compared
And F-14 it the most beautiful airplane that ever flew, USA lost a lot of cool points when they retired it
First those corrupt, thick skull ed Hindus need to create a descent IADS. Then they can contemplate buying new fighters.Isos wrote:Syria had mig-25 in quite good number. They could have upgraded them with mig-31 avionics/radars/missiles pretty easily.
Libya and Algeria too.
It's a must to have such plane in your air force. 100 of them with 1000 r-37M with 200 mig-29M/su-30.
India should also look for it. They would be in better position with 50 mig-31 and a couple hundreds of r-37M.
First those corrupt, thick skull ed Hindus need to create a descent IADS. Then they can contemplate buying new fighters.
More importantly, they don't have the eco system for the Mig-31. Creating that would cost them billions. Unlike Russia, US, China they don't have that kind of budget. So they should continue to purchase more Mig 29s and Su 30MKIs. R-37M can be integrated with both these two fighters.
Better clients for the Mig 31 are Saudi Arabia as well as Qatar and UAE. Unlike India they have deep pockets and the Mig 31 will augment their current capabilities.
at 41 tons MTOW & huge size? there's no CVN that has room & CATOBAR capability for it...a better use for those planes would be MiG-31K anti carrier aircraft,..
at 41 tons MTOW & huge size? there's no CVN that has room & CATOBAR capability for it.
That's an interesting detail: General Dynamics F-111 after modifications became Grumman F-14A Tomcat- I didn't know that competing aerospace companies would share their secrets & know- how! Perhaps the USN pressured them to do so, didn't it?..the F-111 ..proved to be too heavy too.... it was modified and made lighter and became the F-14A,..
Isos wrote:Mig-41 is in development. They won't start a new program for a naval mig-31.
Mig-41 however is possible to come in naval vatiants.
Tsavo Lion wrote:Fine, I missed that "anti-" part. How about making STOL MiG-31s with J-39 or Su-33-like canards?
The Yak-41 was lighter but had similar dimensions:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_MiG-31#Specifications_(MiG-31)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-141#Specifications_(Yak-41)
A trimaran CVN/TAKRN could handle them, leaving F-18E/Fs & F-15EXs in the dust.
That's an interesting detail: General Dynamics F-111 after modifications became Grumman F-14A Tomcat- I didn't know that competing aerospace companies would share their secrets & know- how! Perhaps the USN pressured them to do so, didn't it?..the F-111 ..proved to be too heavy too.... it was modified and made lighter and became the F-14A,..
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